Friday, April 26, 2024

Are we moving into the final days of Yousaf's leadership?

It was just over a year ago that I was struggling to work out how seriously to take the pronouncements of "Smitty", a commenter on Wings who seemed to be leaking inside information about the SNP leadership election, because there was no way of verifying what he was saying and there was always a chance it was an elaborate hoax.  In the end, that's what it seemed to be, because the basic thrust of his claims was that Humza Yousaf had lost.

So once again I'm not sure how seriously to take the claims by Wings himself today which are based on information from "trusted sources".  It's true that possibly the same sources turned out to be right yesterday about the scheduling of an emergency Cabinet meeting, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be right about everything.  But just as a hypothetical, let's work through the potential implications of what they're saying.

Firstly, that Humza Yousaf will resign before the no confidence vote is held.  That's possible because arithmetically he seems to be in a right old pickle.  Due to the surprisingly strong stance of the Greens, 64 votes to remove him are assured as long as everyone turns up, which would mean to survive he'd need Ash Regan to actively vote for him and then the Presiding Officer to bail him out with her casting vote in line with convention.  I don't take remotely seriously the idea, being punted by Wings himself only yesterday, that Yousaf could lose the vote and carry on anyway.  So everything hinges on what Ms Regan does, and as we now know, it's a vote of no confidence in Yousaf personally rather than a collective vote of no-confidence in the government, which makes it much less unthinkable that she could vote him down if he doesn't yield to enough of her shopping list of demands.  Or she could abstain, which would probably have the same effect.

It's therefore at least semi-plausible that he could resign to avoid the humiliation of either being defeated or being seen to capitulate to Alba.  The continuity faction may have calculated that it's better to replace him with someone the Greens don't hate with a passion, and that way the government may be able to muddle through the next two years by means of ad hoc deals with the Greens rather than ad hoc deals with Alba.

The next part of the claim is that Neil Gray is the person that the continuity faction want to replace him with.  Again, that's perfectly plausible, Gray is massively overrated but he's been punted for years.  He would make the situation even worse because he appears to be even less serious about independence than Yousaf is, and has less charisma.

Where I become much more sceptical about the claim is the idea that the Forbes wing of the party will for some unspecified reason roll over and allow Gray to have an unopposed coronation.  Now, it's true that Kate Forbes has a strong mind of her own and it doesn't always tally with what people sympathetic to her think is sensible, so I can't rule out the possibility that she'll sit this one out, either for personal reasons or for what would probably be misconceived political reasons.  I hope to goodness she doesn't.  But even if she does, it doesn't follow that Gray will be unchallenged, because from what I recall of the SNP leadership rules, the threshold to stand as a candidate is not all that high.  Just a year after we saw an epochal battle between evenly matched continuity and change camps, it seems totally inconceivable that at least one person from the change camp will not put themselves forward - unless of course there's a unity candidate who everyone thinks is fab, but that candidate would not be Gray.  So I'm confident there would be a contested election if Yousaf stands down, although admittedly Gray would have a much better chance of winning it if Forbes is not his main opponent.  (Bear in mind, though, that even if the Wings source is correct about Forbes' intentions, there'll be massive pressure on her to change her mind.)

You'd think, incidentally, that journalists from The National would have SNP sources that are at least as reliable as any that Wings has, and it's interesting that Hamish Morrison is punting John Swinney rather than Gray.  But this paragraph made me laugh - 

"Kate Forbes has been touted by some, but given her views on LGBT issues and abortion proved so divisive in the SNP leadership contest, she may be a long shot."

Come on, Hamish, propaganda is one thing but you've got to at least make it sound plausible.  It remains to be seen if Kate Forbes would stand, but if she does, she will not be a "long shot", she will self-evidently be the strong favourite, having come within a whisker of winning last year in spite of the outgoing leadership chucking the kitchen sink at her, including just about every procedural dirty trick in the book.

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124 comments:

  1. Again, folks, bear in mind that if you want to vote against Team Continuity in any leadership vote, you need to be a member before the cut-off date, which will probably be the date Humza finally announces his resignation. Act now before it's too late.

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    1. We don't believe for a minute that a vote of no confidence will take place. What rubbish. Its all just a bunch of people looking for a bit of excitement before the weekend. We'll all be laughing about this stooshie come Monday.

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  2. If Kate Forbes stands and wins then sadly nothing changes as far as indie goes, she is as wishy washy about it as Humza, and would be a continuity (devolutionist) candidate.

    FatherTedCrilly.

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    1. Out of the lingerie section, father, before anyone sees you’re here!

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  3. Rob here, we seem to be back where we started, except that the vote of no confidence really is directed at the governmennt this time. Labour will table a vote of no confidence in the SNP government.

    We'll see who really wants an election now, I fully expect complaints this is the wrong motion (ie. not ours) and "principled" abstentions.

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    1. The motion of no confidence in Yousaf personally will still be voted on, though (unless he resigns first), one doesn't replace the other.

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  4. Someone tells me it's all happening at the zoo.
    I do believe it, I do believe it's true!

    I'm still not convinced Yousaf IS actually a continuity FM.

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    1. He definitely was Mr. Continuity—trying to please all the wrong people, while half-arsing everything he could—right up until the fateful moment he chose to humiliate his coalition partners by booting them out the front door of Bute House. That, goodness me!, was a moment of unexpected genius. I’m not at all convinced it was *political* genius rather than comic genius, though.

      He will be a very lucky man if everyone else’s cowardice keeps him in office. It really is *everyone* he needs, with Holyrood’s current numbers. But there’s no forgetting this. He’s wounded now, the sharks are circling, and the boat is going down.

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  5. For information, doesn't the Labour motion require two thirds of the votes?

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    1. No. I can understand that point of confusion, because the SNP leadership tried to spread the idea that an early plebiscite election was impossible without a two-thirds majority, but it's simply not true. The First Minister can resign at any time, and a no confidence vote requires only a simple majority.

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  6. Well I'm glad finally Labour show themselves as a true britnat party siding with the Tories, while some people still think a vote between the SNP and Labour is somehow interchangeable

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  7. I believe the author of this piece is a member of one of Alba's ruling bodys. Obviously even he dosn't have a clue what Alba's policy on the first no confidence vote is. Theoretically Ash Regan has to do what she's told by Alba, but in reality she looks like she is just personally making up Alba policy and making personal demands.

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    1. You believe incorrectly. Alba's ruling body is the NEC, which I used to be a member of, but no longer am. I'm currently a member of the Disciplinary Committee, the Finance & Audit Committee and the Constitution Review Group, but there's no particular reason why members of those committees would be kept updated about what Alba's position on the no confidence vote is. However, it seems pretty clear to me - Ash Regan is asking for concessions on independence and women's rights in return for her support. Is that really such a struggle for you to understand?

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    2. Ooooooh. Bitchy bites. Ooooooooh.

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    3. This is what you need to understand about Ash Regan. According to Mr Skier.
      "There should be no deal with a sneaky wee Tory thief. She defrauded me of my donations to the SNP by using them to get herself elected, then laughed in my face as she exposed her real centre-right alliances, and is now threatening to side with the English Tories to damage the party I donated to that she stole from. She’s scum. "

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    4. Non Dr Jim steps up and has a crack at non-analysis. (I wonder why the Guardian cartoon featured Ash Regan, a Scottish flag and a leaping Salmond.)
      "The situation in Scotland and in the British isles is simple, there only is the SNP as far as politics goes in Scotland, there is no Alba or Green Party in Scotland, these in the eyes of England are piddling wee non entities that mean nothing to them except to reach for the fly swatter, nothing else matters because they’re either too small to be of consequence or they really don’t support independence anyway"

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  8. What the britnats are underestimating is how well this is going to play out for the SNP (unless they choose a worse leader). Many SNP voters mightve been apathetic about voting for them at the next election. But at an early election brought about by rabid britnats will only increase the vote for the SNP.

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  9. Does Labour want to destroy the devolution system they created?
    All devolved institutions were built around the proportional system, with some informal agreement that the largest party would be allowed to govern. (for example the Salmond government)
    Now, if they want to put First past the post rules into a proportional Parliament, Scotland could become ungovernable.

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    1. I don't really follow that. In what sense are they trying to introduce first past the post rules?

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    2. The largest party getting to govern here is merely an accident, not a convention. Salmond had multiple options, while McConnell had no viable route to a majority.

      It's perfectly legitimate for any type of democracy to shut out the largest party with a coalition of the majority. Ironically it's a FPTP trait for the largest party to govern, proportional democracy makes it more feasible for the largest party to lead the opposition(or even form it entirely).

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  10. I appreciate that Humza has nothing like the strategic cunning of Alex Salmond. And that’s a big part of the reason why the SNP would be better off without him as leader.

    But if Alex Salmond were in his position, would he not let them vote no confidence, resign as First Minister, and then stand again as First Minister?

    Nobody could arithmetically beat him. And if they did somehow cobble together a coalition to nominate Ross or Sarwar, the resulting “government” would be an ungovernable mess that would destroy the credibility of whichever party was unfortunate enough to lead it.

    I know it’s totally unorthodox and I get that Humza’s fragile ego precludes that eventuality. But could that not actually prove to be a beneficial move for the independence movement? The SNP and Alba have the votes between them to lock the Unionists in office but not in power.

    Surely that would be a boon.

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    1. "But if Alex Salmond were in his position, would he not let them vote no confidence, resign as First Minister, and then stand again as First Minister?"

      And if you were in the opposition's position, wouldn't you then no confidence him again? You can be elected First Minister on a minority vote but you can't sustain a government that way. Eventually an election would ensue.

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    2. Certainly they could, if they wanted to give the government a chance to grandstand about playing politics, political grandstanding, the fact that there’s an election on the horizon and an incoming government would have less than half a term matter of months before the next one.

      The public wouldn’t have a great deal of patience for an endless cycle of futile no confidence votes. Of course, the SNP would draw fire for that. But if the opposition parties kept the merry go round going, the public would soon lose patience with them too.

      “We’re not going to get an election. We’ve got a general election this year and an unavoidable Scottish government one shortly after that. Stop the futile gesture politics and let the largest party get on with the day job.” The narrative is ripe for exploitation by a canny political operator. I appreciate Humza in no way fits that description. But Salmond does. And I’m fairly certain he is not the sort of man who would, in this situation, think in the linear sense that resigning as First Minister did not present opportunities that could be exploited. The man almost resigned as FM and collapsed his own government over one of his budgets in the 2007-2011. And it was a political masterstroke.

      It might be a cynical approach, but the SNP is drawing fire already. I don’t see that it would hurt much more to spread some of that fire among the opposition parties too.

      Remember when the talking heads insisted Boris had been fatally undermined by throwing away his majority in late 2019. He took the opportunity to play to the gallery, seize back the political narrative and get back on the front foot.

      Or they could, as I say, allow a Unionist minority government to be formed and let the inevitable chaos that would follow ensue.

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    3. "But if the opposition parties kept the merry go round going, the public would soon lose patience with them too."

      No, it would be the other way around. If the government doesn't command the majority of parliament, and if no viable alternative government exists, there has to be an election. Playing procedural games to try to delay or prevent that isn't going to impress the public.

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    4. Yes, if the government does not command the majority of parliament, there would indeed be an election.

      I wasn't talking about a vote of no confidence in the government. I was talking about the vote of no confidence in the First Minister specifically.

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  11. Does Labour want to destroy the devolution system they created?
    They don’t care. Baillie and co aren’t devolutionists they are Brit Nat unionists but had to concede to a Holyrood Parliament or be destroyed as an entity. Now Tory is labour and labour is Lib Dem and they are tories. They believe in the King, Brexit, anti-everything including the Welsh, Scots and Irish.

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  12. Lord of the SlippersApril 26, 2024 at 2:52 PM

    The Wings prediction about Gray as interim leader may well have been deliberately leaked to Campbell to make Humza staying on seem a less bad option.
    Somehow. Maybe. Possibly. I dinnae ken any more!
    I thought I'd seen the most bizarre day in SNP history when they appointed Murray Foote as CEO but it feels like literally anything could have happened every time I check the news at the moment.

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  13. Lord of the SlippersApril 26, 2024 at 2:56 PM

    The fact that Humza is currently insisting that he won't resign means nothing. He wholeheartedly endorsed the BHA only a day before he tore it up. What we do now know is that we can't trust his word.

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    1. Are you privy to the private discussions between Humza and Harvie and Slater in the lead up to the termination? If so, let’s hear it. Otherwise stop doing the work of the unionists for them.

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    2. Lord of the SlippersApril 26, 2024 at 8:52 PM

      Eh? In case you hadn't noticed the Unionists hardly need to do any work at the moment because Humza's leadership is unraveling by the hour. The FM's misjudgement of the Green's petulance and his catastrophic handling of the fallout are what have done the damage.
      I hope, by this time next week the Scot Gov will have come out the other side of the chaos they are currently in but I anticipate a really messy first few days before that.

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    3. 8000 new members in past month? And decisive action to lance a boil that would have festered until the Greens EGM? Greens played a dangerous game to attempt to increase their influence over SG/SNP and their bluff was called. I’d rather it hadn’t happened but it’s down to the greens. IfHumza hadn’t acted you’d still be on here criticising him.

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    4. Different anon here. I don’t criticise the greens for taking the BHA to a membership vote, as Scotgov walked right over their most important red line of all: emissions targets. If a good green is going to rebel over anything it’s CO2! More power to them.

      Humza’s the one who fluffed it.

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  14. Labour now have the 25 MSPs signed up so there will be VoNC in government. Sarwar is loving this....

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    1. Really?
      Regan has announced she wont be voting in favour of Sarwars VONC.....lol

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    2. As has one green.

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    3. Actively bringing down the Scotgov—and being Labour’s little helper—won’t go down well with Green voters. They know which side their bread is buttered.

      If Scotgov is to struggle on, it’ll be the Greens which let them. Might not be quite the free choice it seems to be on first sight, however.

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  15. Rob here, they're going to consider every trick in the book, aren't they? Party finances, or lack of, must have them scared witless of the consequences of losing a VoNC - whether Yousaf saves himself or not. Things must have looked pretty bleak with a UK GE in the offing, but they'd have imagined there being time for "something to turn up," time to dull the pain of criminal charges, and time to rebuild. A Holyrood election and a GE in the same year as court proceeding begin, doesn't bear thinking about.

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    1. Criminal charges won't affect the SNP because wether authentic or not, it will always be seen as an establishment stitchup

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    2. Wishful thinking!

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  16. When are the new ministers announced in place of the Greens leaders? And Is that before the confidence vote is done?

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    1. The were both made-up positions. I think the positions may have now been abolished.

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    2. Yes made up nonsense which Humza said would be 'absorbed' by other departments. Really just a bribe to keep them on board at the time.

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  17. Stuart Campbell falls out with everyone, now he's turning against Ash Regan and Alba. Who will he support now? JK Rowling? 🤣

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    1. He is best ignored. But in fairness to him he has continued to make a very good income out of the gullible mouth frothers, and he does largely keep them contained within the WOS compound, albeit some escape there occasionally to come on here.

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  18. Alba is only powerful here because they could be willing to vote for or against the govt.

    Blindingly obvious.

    Why Campbell can't see that is beyond me. I think he just wants SNP out no matter what.

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    1. He can see it, and he wants it.

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    2. He’s a curious mix of good sources and occasional nous on the one hand and a burning monomaniacal hatred on the other. Not to be ignored but hardly gospel, either.

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  19. Why on earth would Forbes want to take over at this time? Labour, the Tories, the Lib Dems and definitely the Greens would seek to oust her immediately with a VONC.

    Regan could probably be relied upon to vote in her favour. But there are many dozens of posturing continuity Sturgeonites in the SNP's ranks. We all saw the absolute convulsion of these people when Forbes threatened to take power from them and their pet projects in the leadership election.
    All it would take would be for just one of them to either judge that the SNP was a sinking ship gripped by unrecoverable turmoil and jump ship, or for one of them to flounce out in a fit of performative peak and bring her down. I wouldn't bet on them all keeping their toys in the pram, and it would only take one.

    And then Forbes would be facing down the barrel of an election where her party is languishing in the polls, Labour are on the ascendancy, the government is increasingly unpopular and listless, and the SNP is gripped by near daily scandal and infighting.

    No doubt she could stem the losses far more effectively than Yousef. But if anyone seriously thinks the continuity gang (or indeed a gleeful, crowing media, determined to bury Forbes, the SNP, and independence for good) would not deluge her with blame for the losses, then I have a bridge to sell them.

    None of it would be her fault. But the poison in that chalice right now is so bitter that her legacy as a politician would be to go down as the SNP's Liz Truss or Jim Murphy.

    If you want to avoid wasting her talents like that, I simply cannot fathom why anyone would want her installed right now. Especially if a disastrous election is looming.

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    1. To avoid that election being disastrous, to state the bleedin' obvious. And no, SNP MSPs would not vote to sabotage her, any more than she voted to sabotage Yousaf.

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    2. I am not actually against Forbes becoming leader but the absolute hard on you have for it is incredible.

      She's not a silver bullet, she's a slightly more competent politician but also has huge baggage. Probably a better shout than now buy by no means is going to change the dial magnificently. If she would shed have stormed among snp members against a weak candidate.

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    3. Salmond has committed his last act using Regan as his blackmail mouthpiece, he's no different to the Greens
      For parties that barely exist in Scotland their mouths just got too big, and for that they'll both pay from the voters, Regan was on the way out anyway by her constituents

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    4. Apologies James if my previous comment came off as too sarky. That wasn't my intention. My point was, people have defected before, and looking at the current crop of SNP MSPs, can you truly tell me, in your heart of hearts, you don't foresee anyone woke and foolhardy enough to try and chase the imaginary online plaudits that would come their way with a defection designed to bring Forbes down?

      They'd be the darling of the Twitterati. And more than a few MSPs of the continuity contingent seem far more preoccupied with gaining online clout and approval than anything else.

      I would love to see the back of Humza as leader. I would love Forbes as leader. I just worry that installing her in the current situation could backfire and be a total waste of her formidable political talents.

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    5. Re: Forbes. Name an SNP MSP more popular among the public, let alone with a track record of being plunged into top a ministerial rôle at a time of crisis like her. She’s easily the most impressive member of the Scottish parliament, in my view, now that Nicola is disgraced.

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    6. Speaking of which: she wrote a strong piece at the National.

      https://www.thenational.scot/politics/24282581.kate-forbes-msps-share-guilt-national-embarrassment/

      And let us get away from the language of who is and who is not acceptable to work with.

      For example, well before and during the Bute House Agreement, Patrick Harvie and I worked together – that is no secret.

      The question therefore isn’t whether my world is big enough to embrace the Greens – it is. The question is whether their world is big enough to embrace me. I hope and believe it is.

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  20. It seems Alba against britnat Labour's motion

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    1. Watch Salmond fall for good now

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  21. Alba's coverage in the media is already higher than ever, this really is a great opportunity for a new Alba-SNP pro Independence front

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    1. Alba will find themselves a very distant nowhere in all of this

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    2. If anyone can play a moment of chaos like this for all it’s worth: it’s Eck.

      The fact that Alba is represented by a determined and outspoken woman is a fascinating turn of events now that her vote is the key to Holyrood.

      I didn’t have much hope for Alba after 2021 but fortune has drawn them a miracle of a hand. You couldn’t ask for a better roll of the dice. Finally, it’s time to play it.

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    3. I agree bit play what?

      The Scottish people are not in a fettle for an indy campaign right now. What exactly should we be expecting as a shopping list?

      Abhainn

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    4. True, Abhainn. I’m very much of the opinion that Starmer must get his chance to scunner Scotland’s remaining unionists before we make our move. Right now, they still believe in Labour. Let Starmer sucker punch them in the gut. That’ll clear things up.

      Just as important, then, is that we are ready when that opportunity presents itself. That means no handbag wars over genderwoo and banning free speech. We, which is to say the SNP, need our eyes back on the prize.

      Before this week, I reckoned Humza’s resignation after a Westminster drubbing would be our chance to turn it all around. But now it seems that moment has come early. Let’s not squander it.

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  22. “Yousaf and the SNP deserve to fall, and Scotland deserves an election”.

    Today’s article by respected journalist and fellow independence supporter Neil MacKay, in today’s Herald.

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    1. Mackay is a lickspittle unionist lackey who will write what he is told to write. He’s not the first and won’t be the last.

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    2. No one with an ounce of independence in their blood would write for the herald.

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  23. I think, Yousaf might be a bit of a dark horse. And hope.

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    1. Anyways, if it turns out that there's a de facto referendum Holyrood election this year, I will be voting SNP 1 and 2.

      The question is - does Yousaf have big balls? And can he keep them?

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    2. He does not have big balls. But he's so assured of his own abilities that I'd be surprised if he didn't stick around to fight an election. He will attempt to fight that election campaign on a dreary and bland platform about 'sending Westminster a message' or something. He will lose handily.

      The only silver lining here is that the resultant Labour minority administration will be faced with a pretty chaotic two years, and, matched with the most right wing Labour government at Westminster we've seen this century, will likely founder pretty quickly.

      If the independence movement play our cards right, this could be the reset we need. We only thrive and win when people see Labour for what they are - or rather, are reminded of what they are.

      And I don't think people are going to see Labour for what they are until we have, at the very least, a Westminster Labour government. Two years of weak Labour administration at Holyrood would likely quicken that process of decline, and allow space for the SNP to rediscover its radical spirit.

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    3. ^ My feelings exactly. Labour chaos, with the ever increasing threat of a return to Tory government in England, is the most fertile ground for independence of all.

      We have already had nationalist hegemony in the face of dreadful Tory weakness. Now it’s time to wake up the half of Scots who still haven’t cottoned onto Labour. There is no white knight to save us down in England. Only Scots can care for Scotland.

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    4. Anon at7:54, the Tories have been bad, but the SNP a lot worse, they’ve presided over shambles after shambles.
      And we’re to believe they could be capable of running an independent Scotland.
      Utter lunacy!

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    5. Anonymous at 8:37, couldn’t agree more, it’s high time these charlatans were booted out of Holyrood.

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    6. And replaced by butcher’s apron waving bone fide Tories, right? 🙄

      Back to your own land, Brit boy!

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    7. Anon at 9:31, actually I feel strongly now that Labour governments in both Westminster and Holyrood would be best for our great union.

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    8. And also independence. 😉

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    9. The independence dream ended in 2014.

      It’s over!

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    10. So’s the Sunshine Band, KC. 😋

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  24. Frankly, I don't see politicians easily give up their seats and go back to work..
    I think the no confidence motion will get less than the total opposition numbers

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  25. Feeling more confident in my prediction that the opposition don't want an election right now.

    It's amazing some commentators chastising Sturgeon for going into coalition with the greens now criticising Yousaf for ending it. Guy can't win with some folk.

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  26. But really what is the Greens strategy after this vote? Prop up a Monster Tory and Labour administration? Good luck with that, and see how many list votes they get at the next Parliament elections

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    1. There is no Unionist Scotgov arithmetically possible in the current parliament. Either the SNP limp on or it dissolves into an election.

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    2. Hopefully an election.

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    3. Likely an election. The numbers are as tight as a Tory’s wellingtons.

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  27. Greens seem to want to get rid of Humza but continue to support SNP gov with different FM. Hence the vote with opposition in NCV in FM but against or abstain in the NCV tabled by Labour.

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  28. That wis fae Green cooncillor Highland former MSP . They might change their minds , fa kens. Maks some sense fae their point o view.

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    1. The Greens are in an even stronger position than Ash Regan to barter with the SNP Scotgov. Their pride demands Humza’s resignation but their tactical interest remains in keeping the numbers they have in parliament over rolling the dice in a new election.

      We should all keep our eyes on the polls, of course. My guess is both the SNP and Greens will be down quite badly.

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  29. The National’s Owen Jones (ha!) takes a look at the situation up in distant Scotchland and mistakes it all for Gaza:

    https://www.thenational.scot/politics/24282585.owen-jones-wrong-people-cheering-snp-crisis/

    Talk about tone deaf. He sounds like our own regular commenter who makes everything about Gaza. Whatever happened to that guy, I wonder?

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    1. “You’re either with us or you’re with the Israelis.”

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    2. From that article:

      "Those cheering in this case include, variously, Tories, right-wing agitators, Muslim haters, and people obsessed with the existence of trans people."

      WTF?

      "If they’ve got cause to be chirpy, the political situation undoubtedly gets two thumbs down from me."

      So he starts by saying "The cow jumped over the moon" and then after that piece of nonsense he comes to the inevitable conclusion: "That's bad because I don't have a spacesuit to get milk".

      Owen Jones - space cadet.

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    3. But don’t you know that everyone who opposes the Greens—Kate Forbes and Ash Regan chief among them—is a Netanyahu-loving IDF tank-straddling Zionist? I mean what else can they be not to bow down and worship at Patrick Harvie’s little feet?

      Wait… Humza DID WHAT?!?!?!?

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    4. He insulted Verdi and other great composers. He was attacked by a cellist.

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    5. What a flautist!

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  30. Why is Jones writing in a Scottish newspaper anyway?

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    1. On a good day, he can just about make out Scotland in his binoculars.

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  31. on balance by next week the FM will still be FM and the gnashing of teeth will be heard by the britnats. From speaking to folk generally I think a Holyrood election will clean out the dross and return the SNP in the majority. Not sure Labour, greens, Tories, Lib dems and even Regan would want to lose 2 years wages.

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    1. An SNP majority!!!
      Take it you’re having a laugh 🤣🤣🤣

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    2. They will be in power unless labour tories Lib Dem’s ALBA Greens choose the Brit unionist route.

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    3. No doubt, has to be SNP first and foremost. Smirking Salmond I think has lost the plot relying on Regan!

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    4. No it dosen’t have to be the SNP! It’s high time these incompetent charlatans were out of power.
      Don’t you think they’ve done enough damage to this country?
      In fact, they’ve become an embarrassment, a laughing stock.

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  32. I'd like to know if the unionist trolls here are Conservatives or Labour, I'm just curious to know what they find so magnificent about England especially during the current times

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    1. I’d like to know why people still vote for the SNPee? Surely the most hopeless incompetent apology for a political party in Western Europe.

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    2. I see spelling SNP is too difficult for you. Yes the tories and labour are exemplary! Lol

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  33. England's ok , rather too many Tories, but all they really need is their independence from UK.

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  34. HY did Scotland a huge favour by t wrong up the BHA and booting out the SGP from our government. But one good act doesn’t and shouldn’t salvage his reputation as a gesture politician who usually arses everything up. It’s a reputation that is grounded in plentiful empirical evidence, after all.

    Why not let some caretaker SNP lackey hold (more or less) the fort to a the next WM GE, stem the losses as far and she or he can, and then exit stage left to be replaced by our obvious leader, Kate Forbes? She could then lead us successfully into the Scottish election in 2026.

    The point (made by an earlier Anon) about Owen Jones writing for the National is bang on the money, of course; that newspaper has no business amplifying his views - simply since they are such ill-informed tosh.

    Brian

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  35. I'm beginning to think that allowing a Lab-Tory-Lib coalition to take over for the remaining two years of this term wouldn't be the worst outcome. The worst outcome would be this wounded SNP government limping onwards to that election. Getting out and leading the opposition for two years is better than being pushed out in two years and waiting the subsequent five.

    Sarwar-Ross-Colehamilton triple team? Bring it on!

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    1. Yes, that makes sense too.
      Not sure what I think anymore, things moving so swiftly!
      Brian

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    2. Arithmetic, boys. Add them up and they’re still short of the SNP alone.

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    3. I meant after a snap election. They don't reset the term, you know.

      But without a snap election isn't impossible - after all, the SNP only has 63 now if Regan abstains. The unionist trio plus Greens would have 64.

      I'm not sure what kind of agreement could be made between Tories and Greens but enough Tory MSPs don't want an early election(they'd be out) to give the Greens something substantial.

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  36. By the way, on the Cole Hamilton point - the more exposure he gets the better from a SNP point of view, since he’s such a liability to his party (too). Just like Ross is for the Con & Unionist Party. The SNP have many close seat contests with both LibDems and Tories outwith the Central Belt. Those seats could make all the difference, this isn’t just about beating Labour.

    Southside Ian

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    1. Don't you think Ross is doing quite well for the Conservatives?

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    2. How I’d love to see Cole Hamilton thrown out of this, his seat. Sadly, he’s all too popular with the unionists around here. (Besides my own council scheme, of course, where lib dems are as rare a breed as most of Scotland. Blame him on Barnton and Corstorphine)

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  37. Folk should shout aboot Sarwar too . He sent his bairns tae a fee paying school -- Labour hypocrisy! Correct me if I'm wrang but is no a landlord too?

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    1. People can slag off the Tories and Labour as much as they want but in no way are they anything like as bad as the wretched SNP.

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    2. What is the big deal about being a landlord or sending kids to a fee paying school. Labour does not attack people who do these things. Yes, they do believe in taxing them appropriately but that's a different matter.

      What matters is not these things but how good they would be in the job.

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    3. What’s wrong with an inherited fortune and a seat in the lords? Shouldn’t ordinary plebs also aspire to aristocracy? For goodness sake what happened to meritocracy?

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    4. Labour do believe in reform of Lords, beginning with the removal of hereditary peers.

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  38. I’m no expert on Sarwar so I can’t answer Going green?’s questions on him - but perhaps they were meant rhetorically anyway 😂

    Isn’t the real question here how Ash will vote?

    Thoughts? I’m thinking she might prop up HY this time, get some concessions from him and make her/ Alba look like the responsible adults in the room.

    Brian

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    1. I can’t see Ash pulling the flusher on this whole Scottish parliament.

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  39. Labour have always been for a comprehensive education system .
    For their leader to put his children to a public( (= private) school is hypocritical. At least I think so and I believe maist folk will think so too!

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  40. call a early election? force labour to fight on brexit & tuition fees

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  41. Tony Blair, Fettes college and many more

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    1. Aye, Tory Blair , Sir Keir and Sarwar all cut fae the same clout.

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    2. Sir Keir and Sarwar have not yet been tested in office but certainly Blair has been.

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