Monday, April 29, 2024

Yousaf's departure is necessary, but is only one-half of what is needed - if a low-grade continuity leader is selected to replace him, the independence movement will be in an even deeper hole

It's no secret that I've wanted Humza Yousaf to resign from literally the day he was elected.  I was constantly told that there was no chance of that happening before the general election, and my reply was always that it quite simply needed to happen before the general election, otherwise the SNP were going to get hammered.  So in a sense his departure today might look like a dream outcome, but it's only half of the necessary equation - if the SNP replace him with someone even worse, such as Jenny Gilruth or Neil Gray, today will be a further setback not a step forward.  And that's particularly the case given what might be called the "Truss effect", ie. it's possible that a leader can be so disastrous that they have a severely negative impact on the fortunes of their successor, so whoever takes over may need to be an exceptional leader, not a workmanlike stopgap.

This depends of course not only on whether the SNP are willing to choose the right sort of person, and not only on whether the continuity faction will once again throw procedural dirty tricks in the way of the right sort of person, but also on whether the right sort of person is actually willing to put themselves forward.  We all understand that Kate Forbes is a young mother and thus has personal as well as political considerations to take account of, but if she wavers at all about running, I hope people close to her will tap her on the shoulder and say "your country needs you".  We're in an emergency situation, and if Forbes doesn't stand, the consequences could be incalculable because we're likely to end up with a low-grade leader from the continuity faction.

One thing I'm fairly sure of is that there won't be an early Holyrood election now.  Stuart Campbell is trying to make the logic of the situation fit his desired outcome and thus is insisting that if Yousaf resigns, the Greens and Alba are both likely to still vote in favour of Sarwar's motion of no confidence in the whole government.  I very much doubt that - I think the Greens will abstain and allow the leadership election to run its course.

And naturally there are commentators who are suggesting that if Yousaf prefers resignation to a deal with Alba, that must mean Alba are toxic in the extreme.  More realistically, it actually means Yousaf or someone advising him can count, and has worked out that a deal with Alba would only get him to a 64-64 split in the chamber - which would be enough to save his bacon this week, but wouldn't be enough to pass legislation or Budgets.

Ultimately we're in this mess because the
ruling faction wouldn't allow the leadership election last year to take place on a level playing field, and insisted on a loading the dice in favour of a wholly unsuitable candidate with abysmal public approval ratings.  The independence cause has been paying the penalty ever since.  I beg of our friends in the SNP to use this golden opportunity to repair the damage, rather than digging the hole even deeper.

71 comments:

  1. Is it just me or did his resignation speech just now include a suggestion cheap shot at Alba/ Ash Regan?

    HY is in the wrong trade. He is just no good at politics.

    And yes, before anyone says it, I make mistakes too, fully acknowledged.

    Southside Ian

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    1. He has always been far too thin-skinned for politics.

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    2. I caught that too. An inept politican to the last. How do people so piss-poor rise so far?

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  2. I think it’s the case that there’s such a siege mentality around the rainbow/no-roads-north-of-Perth group that anything other than a limp continuity candidate won’t even be considered unless someone stands against their chosen one

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  3. Its time for Salmond to go and depart the political seen.

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    1. It’s time for the small SNP-Green clique to stop hogging the Yes movement like it’s their toy.

      They’ve had a golden opportunity for Independence since the Brexit vote & squandered it with identity politics, backstabbing, hot air, & patting themselves on the back.

      Time for the Independence movement to reclaim itself from these useless self-serving fcukers.

      I’m more than happy for Salmond to play his part in that process. He’s still the only politician to have ever secured a vote on Independence, & he’s more committed to the cause than ever.

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  4. Kate would be better to wait until after the GE.

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    1. No, there'd be nothing left to inherit by then.

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    2. I hear you, James. But William Wallace himself could take the helm right now and the SNP will still be scalped in the coming Westminster election. It’s hard to see the leadership right now as anything but a fatally poisoned chalice.

      Just how low can a leader go without being forced to then resign? It would be such a waste if she’s forced to fall on Nicola’s sword.

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    3. Branchform, corruption scandal, whatever comes out of the Murrell family’s intrigues, iPad-gate, the ferries, Hate Crime gender woo madness… Scots have a LOT of pent up retribution to dish out to the SNP before rebuilding can begin.

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    4. Only half wits like you. Toddle off back to the Mail.

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    5. No, there'd be nothing left to inherit by then.

      Agree with Anonymous above. Whoever takes over after the WM GE won't inherit many MPs, but is that such a big deal? Let a stop-gap leader absorb the inevitable electoral hit this year, then get a proper one in time for the Holyrood election.

      In functional terms the WM election only really matters in three ways: loss of short money, loss of the regular PMQs slot, and most of all because of the always-vague "narrative": i.e. the fear that a poor result will have a knock-on effect on later elections. How real is that, though? 2010 didn't seem to hurt the SNP in 2011; 2017 didn't hurt in 2019. By 2026 we'll have had an unpopular Labour UK government for a year or two and SLAB will look even less appealing as the lesser of two evils than they do now

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  5. I would ask the SNP to prevent any pretend independence supporters joining. We don't need the underminers -again.

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    1. It would need a Stalinesque purge just to get back to ground zero

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    2. Underminers like Humza and Nicola?

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    3. Underminers like Blackford Swinney Foote Murrell Somerville…………..

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  6. Glad you reminded everyone about the rigged leadership race, why is it that ordinary punters saw what was coming but not the SNP ruling factions ?, and lets not forget that Kate Forbes is only a good candidate if independence is shelved as she said 50 yrs was a reasonable timeline for a referendum on our independence .

    FatherTedCrilly

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    1. Funny. I watched all of Father Ted and loved every episode, yet he never once struck me as the least bit of a cringing Tory British nationalist.

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  7. Let's be clear, anyone who sat in that emergency cabinet last week endorsed Humza Yousaf's decision. They all could've spoken up about whether it was a bad idea to ditch the Greens and the method by which the Greens would be dumped.

    Anyone who sat around that table is the wrong person to lead the SNP forward.

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  8. I wouldn't be so sure about there being no early Holyrood election, because never mind the Truss effect, we've got a Sunak effect on our hands: a second head of government appointed by the party.

    Furthermore, the Greens have (previously) said they won't work with Forbes. So she only maintains the 64-64 tie, unless she persuades an unionist party(or the Greens) to back her.

    And a Westminster election is imminent, so the next leader has to carry the can for any losses in it.

    The lack of a popular mandate or a working majority means that the next leader would be well advised to call a snap election. Minimise the loss now and work to rebound quickly in 2026. Or, who knows, the Greens end up imploding and the SNP acquires an outright majority.

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    1. Working to rebound in 2026 might prove difficult if the SNP were, as seems likely, to win an even less workable plurality of seats at an election.

      The days of being able to get stuff passed on 40-50 SNP seats are long behind us.

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    2. The alternative is walking into 2026 with 19 years of baggage. At which point the collapse is even greater and the wait even longer(next opportunity, 2031).

      We might prefer to lose now to win bigger later. Two years of an unionist coalition fighting itself plus the opportunity to ditch all that baggage?

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    3. A fair point, but the SNP would actually have to be assured of losing any Holyrood election at the moment. And to do so my a narrow enough margin that keeps them viable for 2026.

      If they won by the sort of margin they held in 2007, for example, that could be an absolute nightmare scenario for them.

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    4. No, it wouldn't. You seem to think that the largest party HAS to govern or something like that. That's not the case, any coalition with a majority of the seats is valid. It just hasn't happened yet.

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  9. What happens to the confidence motions? Technically Yousaf is staying First minister during the leadership contest

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  10. Fit aboot Keith Brown? He's depute leader onyway and , correct me if I'm wrang , he is mair in favour o Indy than some ithers.
    He also tried to introduce mair openness in the party . Perhaps a compromise candidate fae the next 2 years?

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    1. A nice man, personally. But if you thought Swinney was dull, wait until you see Keith Brown.

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    2. Haud the broom, Keith.

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  11. Blackford on TV referring to his colleagues in Westminster. He also says Swinney is going to stand for the leadership and he will support Swinney. These people are devolutionists. The SNP members who actually want independence are being taken for mugs. John Swinney ffs. The first question he will be asked is ‘when you were deputy leader what did you know about the missing money?’

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    1. Swinney, the man whose leadership in the early 2000s was so disastrous it forced Salmond to return.

      Forbes needs to come out spitting fire. No holds barred.

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    2. Second question: Will you promise that you’ll quit as party leader when you lose seats at an election THIS TIME? You tried holding on when you failed before. It got ugly.

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  12. My money’s on Jenny Gilruth, makeup with the greens, a Scotgov more woke than ever, and a total unmitigated disaster come the election.

    There’s not a damn thing any of us can do about it. Might as well enjoy the sport.

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    1. Presumably, those who are still members of the SNP can do something about it. Ie, vote for Forbes.

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    2. If she runs. I think it’s 50/50 that she will, and the party machine will be even harsher on her this time. Uphill struggle for Holyrood’s proudest mum.

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  13. I'm not 100% convinced that Kate Forbes is the correct leader, but I am certain that it isn't Mairi McAllan, Jenny Gilruth or Neil Gray.

    I'm not convinced on KF because she was denounced vehemently by most of the MSP and MP over her views on morality (I think that that was harsh and frankly shameful by those who did so), and I think that this will be a massive barrier for her leadership. It will be used to undermine her in the same way as Jeremy Corbyn.

    I'm also not convinced by her young age and relative inexperience, I'd much prefer a man or woman in their mid to late 40s who has had a career outside of politics for at least 10y.

    Any successful leader will need:
    A decent quantity of charisma
    A clear vision of what you need to achieve.
    An ability to build a team and get the best out of people.
    Assemble the resources to deliver on your objective

    However the cupboard of SNP talent is very bare.

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    1. John Swinney may just be our best option.

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    2. They will also need a magic wand, a mind control device *and* a time machine. Still no guarantees, but they just might pull it off.

      Where’s Doc Brown when you need him?

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  14. I often lend my vote, when the situation requires, to The Greens and Alba, for example council elections.
    I now see it as the Greens and Alba have got their man HY out of the top job and maybe rightfully so!
    BUT
    If the Greens and/or Alba take down a pro independence party in government and side with Labour, conservatives and lib Dems to do this, then I can promise that I will NEVER under any circumstances give my vote to either the Green party nor Alba

    I would be finished forever with them if they side with unionists in this matter

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    1. How do you feel about Lorna Slater’s recent comments about her eagerness to work with Anas Sarwar in the next Scotgov?

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    2. I am already at that stage. The greens have been divisive and contain a faction that has no interest whatsoever in seeking Independence. They have introduced a toxicity that exceeds even the tories. We need a Scottish Independence List Vote Party with no agenda beyond pursuing Independence. It could have been Alba. If we do not get such a party Independence is off the table for the foreseeable future.

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    3. “ a pro independence party” only in your mind and other silly people is the SNP pro independence.

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    4. You do not understand what I said. Best not call people silly when showing yourself to be an idiot.Off you go.

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  15. So your computer is crabbit today. Do you log out and back in again, or do you do ctrl-alt-del, or perhaps it won't ctrl-alt-del, so do you reach for the power switch?

    Some sort of reset is required and also the SNP need to have time to think and they need to be able to claim that what they eventually come up with is entirely their own idea, rather than being anything anyone might tell them right now, despite the answers being apparent right now.

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  16. Well i am really surprised by this resignation , i cannot being myself to beleive that someone in politics can get to the high position of Scotlands first minister and do what he did then end up resigning because he did not think the people he was chucking out of the Scottish government would be so upset ? really ? I mean come on it was obvious that rhe green party would be angry because without being part of Scottish government within the Bute agreement they have basically nothing , no voice no power to get anything done they certainly wouldnt be needed by tory labour or lib dem in power because those three just act as one to keep Scotland under the control of England , are we to believe that Mr Yousaf didnt think of this before he ended the Bute agreement ? Was it purely his anger that made him end the Bute ? Was it a kneejerk reaction ? Looks like it because this resignation is happening so soon after his decision.
    So amateurish really , are we really that short of clever enough people who know the job and what is required or is it the case that SNP management positions has been filled with totally inappropriate people who may do what rhey are told but cannot rhink for themselves and do the correct thing when required to do so.
    I hate to say it but it looks like wingsoverscotland got this right , i find the wos site very hateful , about everyone and everything except hateful people who predominantly occupy their comments.I still think Alex and Nicola were stitched up some way by westminster and now Humza too its not always immediately clear why people do things that initially look stupid but it is common in politics that we only hear years later about the behind the scenes events that led to such stupid actions and sometimes we never ever do hear the truth for example the ten who will remain anonymous forever even though their nasty accusations were thrown out of court , puzzlingly the hate crime bill is possibly going to make a law that says that even when the ten die their identity and the truth about how they came to be part of the ten will continue to be kept secret , when asked why , it was said , to protect their surviving relatives ! Protect then from what ? The truth ?

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    1. The above by terence callachan dundee

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    2. What! you really don’t know who they are after all this time. Are you a hermit?

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  17. Blackford backs Swinney.

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  18. It can not be Swinney, that would be the end of it all. Nice guy, I've met him. But too settled for the job. It needs aggression, energy, and Independence of spirit. He could be a number two if you'll pardon the expression. Forbes and Swinney? No, Forbes and possibly Gray, or even Gibson!

    If Yousaf had stayed on and fought I'd have been his number 1 fan. He chickened out and that's it from him, proved his unsuitability. But the BHA must remain gone and buried in its own incompetence and stupidity. No weaseling out from the new leader and FM.

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  19. Would Forbes beat Swinney on the members vote?

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    1. If she’s unapologetic about the catastrophe that continuity leadership has been, yes.

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  20. I the SNP choose a leader only because the Greens approve of her, it's all over. The idiots did that with Yousaf, and look what happened - the SNP became a poodle wagged by its own fluffy tail. Gilruth? Jings, even the teachers think she's useless, and she was one.

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    1. You say that like it’s a bad thing. They’ll pick her *because* she’s lightweight, inoffensive and useless. We are at that stage now. The stooges took over the asylum.

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  21. Prediction - coronation incoming. No contest, a single pre-agreed candidate. Not KF. Maybe JS. Just my best guess.

    Brian

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  22. ewing backs Kate Forbes

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  23. She said herself when Sunak got in that she'd not follow suit, i.e. go from near miss leadership contender to party leader following that person's (i.e. Truss's, in his case, Yousaf's, in hers) political implosion. She has every reason to keep to that dictum.

    Brian

    Brian

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    1. Indeed. How will history remember Rishi? As Boris Johnson’s cage cleaner.

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  24. Terminating the Bute agreement was a misstep. The Greens looked like doing that themselves and should have been left to their own devices. However, none of us were party to the discussions behind closed doors and perhaps Humza had simply had enough.

    I voted for Kate last time and I will again if she stands. However, Humza steered the party through a difficult period and I was impressed by the communication and willingness to listen. He may not have bridged the gap across the wider Yes movement but he steadied the ship internally and came across as a decent and principled man. His political career is far from over. Today is a strange day, it is rare to see a politician not leaving under a cloud but because of that this may yet be a day of opportunity. Obviously those who wish the SNP every ill known to man and heaven will be hoping otherwise but that is a given before we start.

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    1. His wife is pregnant and he'd probably had enough of the shit.

      It's not a job I'd ever want to do, frankly.

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  25. Oh deary me, Jocks Go Plop! yer naeware near ever gettin indy-pendence

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    1. Careful, your peacemaker might go phhhhhttt.

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  26. If Kate Forbes had won she would have ditched the greens and we would be in exactly the same situation.

    How is this not understood?

    In what planet is Kate Forbes getting a majority to govern?

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    1. Forbes was always clear on that one. What really did for Humza I think was speaking out of both sides of his mouth on the BHA.

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  27. Its going tae be funny watching the candidates trying to court the greens while at the same time telling SNP members why they have to ditch all the Greens mental woke policies everyone hates (feel free to record a super woke joke hate crime against me, its not like the police don't have better things to do)

    And that's going to be so funny trying to keep the Greens on board whilst owning up to the massive mistakes they all voted for thanks to the Greens.

    This will be rare comedy

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    1. The simple are easily amused.

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  28. Ironically most folk seem to agree with the decisin to ditch the greens.

    Amazing you're punted for doing the right thing!

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  29. The Greens announce they won't back the no confidence motions anymore.
    So Labour won't be able to force an election, good news for Alba

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  30. Kate Forbes as FM candidate raises interesting questions. The parliament would have to agree to her becoming FM. I think the Tories would vote for her, the question is how many SNP MSPs would abstain? What kind of mandate would that be? Anyway, she may have sufficient situational awairness not to stand. Whoever it is, I would give them six months, max. Fingers crossed it's not Jenny Bloody Gilruth.

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  31. A bit late to comment but isn't continuity what we need to push on with the key and popular policies on progressive taxation and the eradication of poverty, especially child poverty. Forbes, the choice here (?) is on record with Tory values regarding taxation and benefits not to mention clear homophobia.

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    1. Aww jeez... here we go... Joanna Cherry must be homophobic too then as she supports Kate... Yawn....

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  32. Can you refer to explicit statements made by Forbes in her capacity as a minister that confirm any of your claims? Having her particular religious beliefs does not equate to homophobia. Fed up with all of the self appointed mock outrage moral guardians who think their values are the right ones.

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    1. Well said, but you need to reply to the Prof directly, next time. ; 0

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