Friday, September 27, 2019

An alternative government without Corbyn is a non-starter

So Nicola Sturgeon today repeated her hint of a few weeks ago that the SNP would be prepared to install Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister on a temporary basis to prevent a No Deal Brexit.  Of course SNP, Plaid and Green support wouldn't be quite enough to give Corbyn a majority - he would also need the Lib Dems and at least some of the ex-Labour or ex-Tory independents.  But the intriguing thing from a constitutional point of view is that he wouldn't actually need to win a majority in a parliamentary vote before becoming Prime Minister - the Queen could appoint him and see if it works out, which is essentially what she did with Boris Johnson.  What circumstances she would do that in are unclear, but if Johnson was to lose a vote of no confidence, SNP support could leave Corbyn as the only game in town.

On the other hand, if Jo Swinson does prove able to block a Corbyn premiership, history may not be kind to her, especially if a No Deal Brexit is the outcome.  What I truly don't understand is why her focus is on keeping Corbyn out rather than getting herself back into government in a senior position.  If the SNP decide to support a Corbyn-led government from the outside, Swinson would even have a claim to be Deputy Prime Minister, as long as she could accept Corbyn as PM.  That's how governments of national unity work - not by exclusion, but by inclusion.  Intra-party "dream tickets" work on a similar basis - for example, Kinnock/Hattersley or Blair/Prescott.

Another possibility would be the model briefly tried (not terribly successfully) in Germany in the late 1990s, whereby Corbyn would remain Labour leader and would hold a very senior position in government (such as Chancellor), while someone else becomes figurehead Prime Minister with his blessing.  But really, any temporary government in which Corbyn is not the dominant player is a non-starter, and if the Lib Dems are remotely serious about stopping Brexit, it's about time they woke up to that.

133 comments:

  1. From the outside, is there ANY body in labor that would be okay? Milliband as PM , deputy PM? Anything? I am puzzled by how in a system where people change parties all the time there is NEVER someone acceptable. Would lib Dems and SNP vote for Chuckie or Sadiq?

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    1. Chuka is in the wrong party, Sadiq isn't an MP. A possible compromise would be somebody from the soft left of the Labour party who the Corbynites and the Lib Dems could both just about live with. Maybe Margaret Beckett or Emily Thornberry. But realistically an alternative government would be led by Corbyn himself.

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    2. Wouldn't milliband as deputy help re anti semitic issue? I would think your ideas are good. When 20% if MP's and ex are in different parties I would think there would be someone. Watson really blew thus by stabbing Corbyn from beginning. If he had been loyal he could have played the reluctant warrior card.

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  2. Corbyn has always been a leaver.Stop. Sturgeon has no power to dictate anything.Stop. The issue of a no deal brexit is only for fools.Stop. The remainers do not want any deal. Boris has been slow in calling a vote from Mps whether they want a deal or not. The Mps must state clearly if they want a deal or remain.

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    1. Gay Woman Cordelia is drunk. Stop. Send ambulance. Stop. Or bottle of potato vodka. Stop.

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    2. Cordelia thinks that Joao Spice is an example of Girl Power. And she might be a bit posh.

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    3. Blunderbirds Are Go - starring GWC as Lady Penelope and Joao as Phone(tic)s fae Stingray.

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    4. GWC: Stop, go away, disappear.....!

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  3. Hey GWC. This is, deep down, what Boris thinks.

    https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1145316603157987328

    ‘I think people, broadly speaking, think that if the Scots want to go their own way then they should be let to go their own way. The proviso is that the English do not pay for this experiment.’

    The man is no defender of the union.

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  4. Well, we know Johnson has no respect for great British laws, so it wouldn't be a surprise if he ends up in court again on this:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49859321

    Police watchdog to decide whether to probe links to businesswoman

    The police watchdog is to decide whether or not to investigate Boris Johnson for a potential criminal offence of misconduct in public office while he was London mayor.

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  5. Skier the muckraking from the past is no doubt to the fore and moreso from the remainers. The wealthy liberal elites must be covertly employing all sorts of eronerous investigators.

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    1. I'd like to take through your muck. Long and deep.

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  6. Worth remembering that any Government of national unity would be in 'power' for 4-6 weeks. They would be the Government during the election campaign so as well as an PM there is going to need to be a cabinate.

    One would image this would be a slimmed down version, so many of the departments could be covered by 2-4 minsters without portfolio (or some sort of equivalent) and there are plenty of junior ministers on all sides who have cross party respect that could move into those roles.

    But the big potions (Chancellor, home and foreign secretaries and defence secretaries) are going to have to be filled and the Conservatives/Lib Dems are never going to let them all be filled by Labour MPs.

    So some labour noses are going to be put out of joint. Can't see Con/LD letting McDonnell anywhere the treasury and can't see Diane Abbot being let near anything. Can see them living with Thornberry and Starmar possibly even Watson, but not many others from the Labour front bench.

    The flip side, of course, is that there is going to have to be at least one Conservative MP in this cabinet and that's going to be a hard sell for Labour to their supporters.

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  7. Caroline Lucas would be the ideal candidate. She is the only Green MP, so anyone supporting her could not be accused on party bias.
    Swinson lacks the intelligence to work in the public interest. She is too dim to think things through. I fear that many in Labour might be too, and that the entire idea of a Government of Unity is doomed to fail due to brainless tribalism (Labour) or brainless egomania (Liberals).

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    1. Why not Vince Cable if he has no further ambition in politics? He's also an ex-Labour member, although I suppose that may count against him with some.

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    2. Because his gormless new leader wants to be Head Girl herself. Nobody else. Aye ken gerrantye they.

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    3. What about Ian Blackford? He might give us a section 30

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    4. Ken Clarke is currently an independent and also "Father of the House". Might be able to rally some of those kicked out by Johnson. Also a fairly significant kick in the teeth of it happened.

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    5. Ken Clarke is currently an independent and also "Father of the House". Might be able to rally some of those kicked out by Johnson. Also a fairly significant kick in the teeth of it happened.

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    6. For added fun have Harriet Harman as either deputy PM or even co-PM . Symbolic of the grown ups stepping in to put an end to the tantrums of a unruly child.

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    7. Harriet Harperson and her man Jack Dromey. Dromey. Porn. Dromey. Porn. Dromey. Stop.

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  8. Remember Caroline Lucas spoke out AGAINST Scottish Independence. I'd do her no favors

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    1. Really? Got a link? She voted against FFA, but I wasn't aware she'd spoken against independence.

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  9. If Jo was to become deputy leader how does that work with EVEL when she doesn’t hold an English seat? She is currently a Scottish MP.

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    1. She can't form part of an English government / vote on huge swaths of 'devolved' policy. You can be absolutely sure she'll stand in an English seat in a snap GE as a result.

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  10. Does anyone think that Mike Smithson could take over from Dom Cummings? Asking for a friend.

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    1. Constipatza Rice MuggSeptember 30, 2019 at 8:18 PM

      I don't know who he is. Maybe he is related to the woman who advertises Oral B toothpaste.

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    2. You obviously haven't heard of The Mike Smithson Pops. I'm sorry for you.

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    3. Constipatza Rice MuggOctober 1, 2019 at 7:50 PM

      I thank you for your sympathy. I have not heard of them but I would wager my children's lives on the quality and high standard of their lyrics. Thank you.

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  11. It's always best to have alternatives when the leadership is in question

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/09/who-will-succeed-nicola-sturgeon-snp-leader

    Rev Stu is the man. (The Patriarchy told me to say that.)

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    1. As soon as I read that her fate depended on the Salmond trial I stopped reading. Sturgeon's fate only depends on how she does as first minister. Unless Salmond is actually guilty and Sturgoen was involved that is, in which case she'd be on trial too. As she's not on trial, we can assume she's completely innocent, as if you are complicit in a crime / try to cover it up, the police charge you with that.

      The biggest threat to Sturgeon is not doing absolutely everything in her power do deliver indy if brexit goes ahead.

      She has positive ratings 12 years into government. They have even recently risen in the face of the Salmond allegations, probably in part due to the unionist media trying to link her to them. It's nothing short of miraculous.

      And when a unionist paper say 'SNP sources said', they mean 'I wish I had solid insider SNP sources but I don't, so I just made things up'. It's that or they spoke to Jim Sillars.

      I say this as someone with significant concerns over SNP policy and the way this is starting to deviate from being evidence based (e.g. GRA reform).

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    2. I read it - its written by Chris Deerin - has no content just smeery nothingness. Chris Deerin has never been a fan of Nicola or the SNP

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    3. Rev Sun-&-Moon Wings now concurs with the article. So that's you telt.

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  12. A government of national unity is a pipe dream. Those that would form it are not united. There is no external threat for them to unite against; the UK's problems are all internal.

    The UK faces chaos; politically, economically and constitutionally. This will not stop until the UK breaks up.

    There is no way out of it. We are at the culmination of a process which began at the peak of empire. It has been going on for decades, with each generation less British than the last as the empire's borders retreat and Britain's status in the world reduces. We are now in the final days of the collapse. The last day of Rome.

    The net result will be a return to the pre-1707 status borders-wise as the original countries re-emerge from the ashes of empire.

    Imagining the UK can stick together is like imagining the empire can be re-built. It's brexit fantasy.

    Unfortunately, it's all going to be pretty messy up until the point the English realise that it would be easier just to let it go.

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    1. I should say that English voters are already feeling this way. Polling shows a sea change taking place as Scotland and N. Ireland cause major problems for brexit.

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    2. I agree. More English people are starting to understand that England and Britain and UK are not synonymous. That should lead them to sort out their priorities and just let the Previous Union fall apart. Especially if they think they are subsidising us.

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  13. Tory MP declares 'We should abolish the supreme court' The Scottish Parliament could be next.
    Time for Scotland to show true mettle.
    October 5th Holyrood Park.
    Freedom come all ye. Be there.

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    1. Is there going to be a "Defend Holyrood" aspect to the demo? Someone should rustle up a few thousand blue and white painted cardboard shields. See if we can get the meeja to photograph them rather than a few UJs.

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  14. The LibDems are about to be found out big time. The well-timed statement from NS, this really puts the LbDems on the spot. As James said, no-one but Corbyn could become temp PM. To reject him and select a lower grade replacement would be utter humiliation for Corbyn and infuriate a huge section of Labour members (and voters).

    That said, there is a fair bit of posturing and optics involved as usual. I wonder if the LibDems realise that a hard BREXIT is coming and after it all goes belly-up, JS will step in and lead the campaign for the UK to rejoin the EU. Are the LbDems remainers, or cynical future returners? We shall find ot soon enough. Thanks to NS, the LibDem mask will drop, and their real intention will be revealed. Despite the posturing and virtue-signalling, the LibDems care little for anyone but themselves, so they may have decided secretly to let a hard BREXIT unfold and step in to take advantage later.

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    1. If you want people in England to back English independence, then the Scots putting Corbyn in No 10 to delay/stop brexit is an excellent idea.

      The likes of Johnson will only support holding the UK together as long as it's a vote winning. If support for English indy picks up pace, he'll jump on that bandwagon quick enough.

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    2. If Corbyn (rather than K. Clarke, V. Cable, etc) were put in No 10 by Scots or anyone else then it might be seen as a coup by the 40% who voted Labour. So another resentment might be added to the pot. But I also wonder if it could encourage a "Not In My Name" group of Labour Leavers to form?

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  15. Panelbase survey in the field just now. GE voting intention, and a large number of really nice questions about preferred election outcomes and Brexit deals. It didn't seem to focus on one party so hopefully this will get published somewhere... Only shame was that the GE question was a bit oddly worded - "some other minor party" indeed:

    Regardless of how likely you would be to actually vote, if a General Election was held today, which party would receive your vote? Would it be the Conservatives, the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, the Brexit Party, an independent, or some other minor party?

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    1. For those that hate wings so much they don't read his tweets; he's reporting a Yougov poll he's filling out.

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    2. Wings doesn't want Independence for two reasons, 1 it's the end of his income 2 That's why he now wants to be in politics for a nice soft new earner
      If Scotland becomes Independent in the next year he has no purpose and disappears and he knows it

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    3. That is an oddly worded question. It wouldn't pass a Prof Curtice muster I suspect.

      Many years ago in the days of leaded 4 star my local filling station used to ask "do you want the good stuff or the cheap stuff".

      Wonder who is paying for the Panelbase poll.

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    4. No independence activists really want independence for exactly the reasons you say. You wouldn't be able to moan about wings for example.

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    1. Does anyone else think Steven Kinnock is even less capable than his father?

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    2. I think he is balder than Rev Stu or Sir James.

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  17. Listening to Alex Double-Barrell this morning I was a bit surprised by his suggestion that a national unity government could run for many months perhaps not only overseeing an extension from the EU but also a second EU referendum. Apart from the complete implosion of the Mail readership heads and quite possibly some serious unpleasantness down south I can't see Labour MPs wearing it and without Labour it isn't going to happen. Of course I could be wrong and Labour do go for it but who would lead such an endeavour? Running the country for months or perhaps even a year would need policies, a budget and an agreed direction.

    An extension and an election in November seems a lot more straight forward. The danger is that Boris might win comfortably in England, still crash us out the EU, and form the next 5 year government. Crunch time!

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  18. Straight forward and no fluffing or faffing or gilding the lily great blogg now to share everywhere I can.

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    1. Tiziano G FlederminsieOctober 1, 2019 at 8:04 PM

      I wonder if I should encourage people to buy me luxury items from shops and boutiques.

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  19. People talk about the unity government is mandates to be short. What position could be cleaner than " we are following the fixed term act voted for by the Tories and lib dems.and supported by the queen". Run a ref with THREE choices ranked choice. Stay no change, stay new deal, leave with good deal, leave with no deal. Give people choice. Unity gov stays in for duration either way. SNP promised clean Indy ref one year before fixed date election. Thus, sno would be negotiating with lib Dems and labour.

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  20. The Lib Dems are serious about being Lib Dems and everyone should be aware what that means
    Jo Swinson will say the words National unity but what she hears is Jo Swinson has a chance to be a deputy PM in the Tories where she really really wants to be and she'll do anything to be that

    People? people? what the hell do they have to do with Jo Swinsons ambitions to fill up her CV with the kind of stuff she wants, she'll keep Corbyns Labour out even if he was only going to be in charge for five minutes, because that's no use to her

    Anyway none of that's going to matter because according th Wings Nicola Sturgeon's lying to us all and screwing us over and there's to be no referendum anytime anywhere

    Of course Wings has another agenda altogether, he's planned it out with Nigel

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    1. He's only making plans with Nigel?

      GWC will be in XTC.

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  21. Young James, in Oostende and observing the mega building of holiday flats, some going at 435000 euros. The working class are not staying in them. Seen this in Spain before the crash. The Madrid Spanish elite building on new resorts for their comfort. The EU has been good for some it seems while they offload their surplus Labour elsewhere.

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    1. Gay Woman Cordelia - hi butch babe. I could come round and scratch your cratch. Like the old days.

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    2. Belgium was the Spanish Netherlands until 1830. So I wonder why an ancient nation is hanging on the approval of Guy Verhofstadt? It's about as good an idea as allowing an outside power to operate your next referendum.

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  22. That twit on Wings is now claiming he's got all sorts of money to make bets with people over his political brains versus theirs, he's betting any amounts of money that the SNP are liars now making out if nobody makes a bet with him they must agree, of course he's not the one saying how much he's pre[ared to bet with his own money, and if he had such money why didn't he use his own to go to court with his personal crusade with Kezia Dugdale instead of using all the mugs that were dumb enough to give him theirs, what an arrogant moron this guy is

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    1. Seriously, get yourself some help. The Wings obsession is taking over your life.

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    2. Alex Cole-Douglas-Smedley-FelchingtonSeptember 29, 2019 at 12:08 PM

      That may be a slight exaggeration.

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  23. Opinium UK Scottish sample:
    50% SNP
    20% Con
    13% Lib
    10% Lab
    5% Brx
    1% Grn

    SNP continue to hold a commanding ~23pt lead over Con on average.

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  24. A nightmare scenario would be being locked in a room with motormouths Angela Raynor, Anneliese Dodds, Anna Soubry, Swinson and Knickerless Sturgeon. I would vote to remain.

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    1. But if Rebecca Long-Bailey were there you would quickly fall asleep.

      (Did you know that Sozzlebry once worked for Grampian TV?)

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    2. Bailey is a Scouser and you know how they go on about being offended. Soubry is the worst gobber even beating Annaleise. Did not know she with Grampian. Maybe she was a man in those days.

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    3. OK, calm down -- and don't talk about Hillsborough.
      The Rev Sun(-&-Moon) Campbell wouldn't like it. And he knows you know...

      Bob Mack says:
      29 September, 2019 at 2:42 pm

      Hope you are all reading the Revs twitter feed. He knows something

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    4. Wings knows nothing just like the rest of us, he's spouting the words of Chris Deerin a so called journalist who doesn't support Independence and Stuart Campbell is engaged in attracting as many idiots to his site as he can in time for his next crowdfunder that keeps him going in court cases and sweeties at everybody else's expense
      Now he's even misrepresenting quotes and deleting the bits that don't serve his purpose
      Sturt Campbell's sole purpose at the moment is to engage as many people as he can any way he can for MONEY

      He's a con man, a clever con man, but still a con man

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    5. Erm, con men don't produce any product; they just take your money without delivering.

      If Wings told you he was going to write a regular blog and tweet all day on the subject of Scottish politics, and that you could read this if you coughed up £'s... He then took your money and didn't produce either blog or tweets, he would be a con man.

      Since he writes said blog and tweets all day, and you can read both for sweet FA, he's quite obviously not a con man at all. Or at least he's the first con man in history to sell snake oil completely free of charge.

      He's just someone you don't like. That's all.

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    6. If think we need a poll (purely to find employment for fin-de-brexit statisticians) on whether a StuNet virus would be a good or a bad thing.

      Easy now, young James.

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    7. So many of the Wings cultists defending someone they don't know, just because he says he supports Independence for Scotland doesn't make it true, shop assistants sell Mars bars it doesn't make them chockaholicks, used car salesmen sell duff cars they swear are great, the guy's a Liberal Democrat what more do you need to know

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    8. Bolshevik and Moonshevik loyalists close to splintering:

      Hamish100 says:
      29 September, 2019 at 6:38 pm

      twat hatter

      When the rev and others are members of the SNP I think it would be reasonable to listen to their criticism. As the rev and others on here have no wish to become members and in fact wish to challenge the SNP in an election then you shouldn’t really complain about being challenged.

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    9. Well, Anon if you are trying to say I am a wings cultist, then you are a liar.

      I posted on his blog back when it had about 5 readers, but I've not done so in years. It became rather busy and my main interest is polling.

      Stuart Campbell isn't a con though. He delivers a product and says if you like it, you might want to help support it.

      The cheapskate freeloaders are the ones that read his blog / twitter feed all the time and don't chip in to the pot. Such as yourself I imagine Anon.

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    10. Personally, I think Campbell is right about a lot of things, but wrong about lots too.

      On the SNP 'stop brexit' issue, I think he completely misses the fact that we don't live in isolation. I imagine our 27+ neighbours have made it pretty damn clear that if the SNP aid the brexiters in their quest for a hard brexit, then the 27+ not be in rush to welcome Scotland into the EEA/EU.

      If however Scotland does it best to stop a brexit mess, then in due course, it's independent EEA/EU membership will be looked on more favourably.

      There is also the fact that if England says 'No Section 30', the very obvious response is to throw every spanner you can in the brexit works. 'You screw up our indy and we'll screw up yours'. That's how you get England wanting indy.

      The latter approach is working a treat. English voters now think the UK breaking up is fine if it helps deliver brexit and likewise thing the Scots / N. Irish should be able to have referendums if they want them. This is quite a sea change.

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    11. If you apologise to him he'll let you back on as long as you do it publicly because he's nice like that

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  25. Fuck Swinson, any hard Brexit should now be labelled the Johnson and Swinson Brexit.

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  26. Michael Gove did not suck me off in the back seat of Jim Naughtie's car on Lang Stracht in Aberdeen in 1979.

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  27. Stu Campbell has been nobbled. Anyone who can't see what's going on on his site now, how much he has changed, is blind, deaf and daft. Get real folks. Start asking questions of your cult leader. What do you know about him? A Reverend? Where does that come from? Where does he live? How big is his house? Massive I've heard. Live with whom? How much money does he have, of yours, in his kitty? Start wising up.

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    1. How big is his house? Massive I've heard.

      Lol

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    2. He doesn't drink, smoke, laugh, takes herbal baths...

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    3. It's fuckin huge. Palatial. All marble and mahogany inside.

      Recently had a solid gold toilet installed (although keep that tae yersel and ignore stories in the papers).

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  28. Let's just see what conman Campbell does with the WBB that many gullible independence supporters donated to. Promote his own party and undermine Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP? Just watching and waiting.

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    1. He gets their fingerprints off the money they give him and uses sellotape to make copies of them. Then he goes around murdering people and committing crimes like robbing banks. He leaves the fingerprints at the scene of the crimes and their owners get arrested. There are literally thousands of cubernats in prison for crimes committed by him with the help of MI5.

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    2. Cubernats yearn to throw off the shackles of their call centre masters. You should know that.

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  29. You're right, Campbell is a very clever man. A street wise conman and nobbled now right enough. Bit by bit he's managed to undermine Nicola Sturgeon, which attracts many unionists onto his site. They in turn attack genuine Independence supporters driving them off the site and influencing people to believe that she's a hopeless case. He then ''introduces'' his plan / his party to scupper Independence. Add to that he blocks comments and bans anything (such as, Nana Smith's links) and anyone who is influencial in any way for the independence cause. And the dafties can't see it. He is robbing them all blind, especially by opening his nasty gob which has been going on for decades now (check him out online), and depriving many genuine Indy activists of much needed money.

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    1. I don't like Wings at all, but because of him I now support independence.

      Loads of people I know are going to vote independence because they don't like him. Indy will mean and end to his blog you see.

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    2. I wish he had spent more time studying history than playing computer games. Like "Call of Ctulhu".

      "My somewhat extravagant imagination yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature.... A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque and scaly body with rudimentary wings".
      "... the same method of piecing together of disassociated knowledge (including a random newspaper clipping) to reveal the survival of a horrific ancient being."

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  30. So Boris was shagging the Arcuri lady behind his wife's back while giving her company bungs?

    Och Tories. It's always dropping their pants and giving their mates public cash that brings them doon. They preach family values and hard work while shagging anything that moves and helping themselves to the public purse.

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    1. And he likes groping women too it seems.

      Feeling them up under the table apparently.

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    2. Whits wrang wie you Skier is your French Tart spreading herself around. Men and women do like variety and Boris is no stranger to it.

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    3. It's pro-brexit Tory voters with family values complaining, no me.

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    4. Family values are unwritten.

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    5. I wrote one down yesterday.

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  31. I used to support the union and brexit, but because of the Arcuri revelations, I'm for independence now.

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  32. Jo Swinson would prefer to be a Tory deputy than a Labour deputy because she's a Tory, she has no interest in Brexit or what happens with it, she's a careerist opportunist and that doesn't involve caring about the actual people

    Most of all Jo Swinson is a construct of herself with little political nouse dependent on others helping her to take the credit or deny the effects of other people's decisions

    An inveterate liar and all round unpleasant person who claims more expences than any other Scottish politician, she's not lovingly referred to as the tooth floss claiment for nothing, she actually did claim for tooth floss, and tea spoons, I could list it but it'd take all day

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    1. Are Jo Swinson and Jill Stephenson the same person? They have the same initials and their utterances suggest they have just downed a bucket of weapons grade alcohol.

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  33. i think wings may be compromised. after his tek was removed by police . stew didnt seem that bothered .realy. if i was an enamy of the british state i would have been worried.

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    1. See my comment above. Conclusive proof

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  34. This would mean Irish people being stopped as they wend about their business and new infrastructure in N. Ireland, so it would breach the GFA.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ireland/uk-proposes-customs-centres-on-both-sides-of-irish-border-rte-report-idUKKBN1WF25L

    Customs facilities on the Irish or British (e.g. Cairnryan) side are fine as infrastructure already exists / checks are already made here, but inside N. Ireland breaches the GFA.

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    1. Checks to stop criminal acts are not prohibited. When we leave the EU moving goods from the UK to ROI will be checked by the EU regime in breach of the Belfast Agreement.

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    2. Customs/migration checks related to border crossings in N. Ireland are prohibited by the GFA.

      Such checks can only continue to be made on the Irish or British sides of the N. Irish border.

      Checks exiting the North are no problem. It's checks entering that are; a British problem.

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    3. Wends have been stopped. That's the sort of thing that can happen.

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    4. I don't like the word Wends. I prefer Sorbs or Lusatians. I like this idea of getting it out in the open and speaking frankly about it. Moonbeams illuminate too.

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  35. Boris doesn't need to deliver brexit, he just needs to crash the pound at just the right moment to massively enrich himself and mates.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-sterling/brexit-sterling-bets-pose-no-conflict-for-uks-johnson-government-idUKKBN1WF1GZ

    Brexit sterling bets pose no conflict for UK's Johnson: government

    LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s government on Monday dismissed opposition suggestions that Prime Minister Boris Johnson faces a financial conflict of interest over Brexit after receiving donations from fund managers who may be betting on a fall in the pound.

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  36. Skier, when is Eck due in court? Was it the haun oan the tit, erse or the fud! Boris was just fondly patting her knee in a friendly manner!

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    1. I don't know. I don't follow as it's not relevant to whether Scotland becomes independent or not.

      Unless you are now voting indy because Cyril Smith was a unionist, or turning against Brexit because of Bozo's wandering hands?

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    2. It is not relevant if Boris stuck his haun on a burds knee twenty years ago!

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    3. Boris is PM. Should foreign dignitaries be worried about him feeling them up under the table?

      Alex Salmond is just a man on the street.

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  37. The UK can leave with no deal, but all that means it has no deal with anyone until such time as the backstop is finally in place.

    The EU will never sign a deal without the backstop and neither will the USA. As other countries all want deals (or to improve existing deals) with the EU/USA, none of these will sign a deal with the UK until the backstop is in place.

    The English government simply needs to comply with the GFA and the will of the N. Irish people to remain in the EU, and all this will go away.

    Apart from Scotland of course. They will keep throwing spanners in the works and if they stay in the UK, the only way to strike new trade deals will be to give them a veto on devolved areas or cancel devolution. Which ends the union...

    We have years of this mess ahead. Decades of economic, social and constitutional crisis. Unless the UK breaks up. Then everyone gets what they want and are happy really quickly.

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  38. The GFA clearly states no hard border infrastructure in N. Ireland, but what does the dumb ass uk propose? Stopping people en masse with a serious of hard border posts all along the N. Irish border.

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    1. The British will honour the Belfast Agreement. The Irish who have been murdering for a so called United Ireland will do what their EU masters dictate. Strange old World.

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    2. Mass graves of over 100.000 people in Ireland murdered in every county by the British say the Irish will never ever bend to the British, they're free people who decide what they want

      The British have never honoured an agreement with any country ever that's why the EU don't trust them and said so
      The *British* are pariahs and parasites and the rest of the world knows it, even the *British* know it
      When Scotland goes the British have nothing to sell except their big mouths

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    3. Johnson thinks Trump will support him in breaking the GFA but congress and the senate won't allow it

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    4. The Irish are no longer a people, they sold out to the EU. The greedy ROI Irish ruling class have been fucking their workers since partition and sending their cheap labour abroad.

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    5. The EU doesn't force your passport to dispense with the words 'Irish national' and only have 'European Citizen'.

      It's not like Britain, which wipes away 'Scottish' and forces British down your throat.

      That's one of the reasons I've always wanted independence. Just to have a passport for my own country.

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    6. I am a British Citizen. It is on my passport. I would not lose any sleep if it said Jock Citizen.

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    7. What if it said Bob Servant?

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    8. What if it said Cordelia Subject?

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    9. British citizen... old word for Welsh. So which part of Wales you from then GWC?

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  39. I don't buy this LibDem excuse that "Corbyn doesn't have the numbers, because the Tory rebels won;t support him!" guff. What a lame excuse. If the LibDems supported Corbyn for a few days, just for the sake of avoiding a hard Brexit on October 31st, then the tory rebels would just have to abstain. Would they vote against the VNC and allow a NO DEAL? I don;t think so. However, it does seem that the LibDems are willing to sacrifice the country, despite their lame excuse for not supporting Corbyn as temp PM.

    "He just doesn't have the numbers, Sweetie!"


    Aye right - more lame LibDem guff. Untrustworthy fraudsters the lot of em.

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  40. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49890199

    He [Johnson] told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "A sovereign united country must have a single customs territory."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49198825

    The government is planning to create up to 10 free ports across the UK after Brexit.

    They allow firms to import goods and then re-export them outside normal tax and customs rules.

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    1. GWC is planning to import things to Larne duty-free. He's a provincial entrepreneur.

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    2. GWC is planning to get the Eurostar from Brussels to London and having a Swally in the waiting lounge.

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    3. You're bringing home the bacon (and tuna) for Greggs' stockpile.

      Good man.

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    4. Ye cannae whack a Greggs sannie and a cheese and onion pasty. Good old Glesga East End heart attack food.

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  41. Peter A. Bell has posted an open letter to Nicola Sturgeon.

    Now he must send a missive to Sir James Kelly revoking his previous comments.

    For the good of the continent. (And incontinent.)

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  42. Tories pledging to 'end free movement for British people once and for all'.

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    1. Cost me £88 return to Brussels. Not free! You would be exempt Skier as you are not British.

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    2. Skier, London has 10 deputy mayor's. £130k a year! Taxpayers money Skier. We should add them to the hit list.

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    3. Aye, get rid of 60 Msps.

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  43. The Evil One in Bath will be sweating now that the thread has reached 123 comments.

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