Wednesday, August 7, 2019

Every Loser Wins: How "democracy" works in Scotland as part of the UK

Scottish Labour seem to be slipping deeper and deeper into an Alice Through the Looking Glass world where the acceptance of reality is, at best, an optional extra.  First we had a letter from Labour candidates waffling about the "uncertainty and economic upheaval that leaving the UK would cause", and then adding as an afterthought that the Tories are also "threatening our place in Europe".  Er, the Tories aren't "threatening" anything, this isn't David Cameron in 2012 making vague noises about an EU referendum in the medium-term.  The Tories are actually taking us out of Europe, probably without any deal, in a matter of a few short weeks.  Scotland is indeed facing "uncertainty and economic upheaval", and that'll be caused entirely by the prospect of a No Deal Brexit, which itself has been caused indirectly by the mistake of voting to stay in the UK in 2014.  We've essentially reached the point where it's intellectually dishonest to claim (as the likes of Alex Cole-Hamilton do) to be in favour of both EU membership and remaining part of the UK.  Those two things are now irreconcilable, and a choice will have to be made.  And that hasn't happened as a result of some sort of dastardly SNP plot - the people of England freely chose in the 2016 referendum to change the nature of the 'deal' that was on offer for Scotland as part of the UK.

Then we had Richard Leonard "slapping down" John McDonnell (a slightly odd thing for a branch office manager to be doing to the Shadow Chancellor) by insisting that the majority of people in Scotland are opposed to a second independence referendum.  To state the bleedin' obvious, he's making himself look a bit bloody ridiculous saying that sort of thing, because the last two opinion polls - including one published just two days ago - showed a slim majority in favour of holding a second indyref within the next couple of years.

To reiterate, though, the whole notion of a Scottish party branch pulling its errant London leadership "back into line" is really rather peculiar.  The logic of saying that Nicola Sturgeon can't just hold a referendum when she wants to is that "constitutional matters are for the United Kingdom government to decide", not for devolved politicians.  In other words, if there's a Labour government in the near future, it's for Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell to decide.  And yet the likes of Ian Murray and Richard Leonard are indignantly saying: "Oh no no no, this is not a matter for the UK government, but for a Scottish party.  And not for the party that was actually elected to government in Scotland, but for the second-largest opposition party in the Scottish Parliament."

What do you have to do to decide the future of Scotland?  Stand for election and be soundly beaten, it seems.

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UPDATE: And the ever-reliable Stephen Daisley has joined Scottish Labour through the looking glass...

"Every so often, Jeremy Corbyn pops up to throw the SNP a bone, much to the horror of his Scottish foot soldiers, who know how toxic the independence issue is with their voters."

Well, it can't really be all that toxic, can it, Stephen, given that the Ashcroft poll shows 40% of Scottish Labour voters want an independent Scotland?

91 comments:

  1. Labour's position on indyref2 is only marginally more consistent than their position on Brexit. They'll say something different tomorrow. It might even be McDonnell who says it.

    Their position on anything seems to depend on whichever person happens to be speaking at the time - and that person's position in anything seems to depend entirely on which side of the bed they got out of.

    Still if it makes Leonard look daft I guess we can all enjoy that.

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    1. Labour in Scotland were forced to adopt support for Devolution by London Labour who needed to stymie the SNP.
      History seems to be repeating itself with Mcdonnel flying a kite for what will be pushed as their new policy.
      Also you'd think Murray would realise as a Unionist that UK labour's electoral interests will always trump the branch office.
      Willie Rennie is blaming the Tories for threatening the Union while Ruth Davidson is blaming Labour.
      Whether by accident or design Mcdonnel's comments are democratic and morally correct.

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  2. Has any Scottish Labour or Conservative, MSPs, MPs or even councillors been interviewed by the BBC and the Ashcroft poll result mentioned by the interviewer.

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  3. It is rather pathetic that the UK has to leave the EU before she can do trade deals. Such is the power and control the EU fascists have over us. The Scottish Nat si party are a humiliating disgrace to real Scots. The infiltrating tattie munchers fae Athenry and their sad stories are running the Scottish Nat sis.

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    1. Do you still have The Famine Song as your ringtone, GWC?

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    2. Na young James just your normal ring although I did consider the Sash or the Internationale.

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    3. Actually, the UK is incapable of doing trade deals. It just failed at its first attempt; hence us crashing out on the 31st October.

      If the UK is unable to decide what the fuck it wants, it will never ratify a single deal, not even with the WTO. Just wait until Brexiters find out Argentina gets a say on this deal. Oh shit...

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    4. Hence why Brexit is just not going to happen, enough soft Brexiters will get fed up and vote remain in the second ref, especially with the economy slowing etc. Second ref probably spring i would guess.

      Of course when that happens it will be Brexiters who have them selves to blame, should of taken the deal would of been out by now.

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    5. - Oi, you. Are ya gonna bingo?
      - Only if Gemma Collins is playing.

      Other countries are trash.

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    6. "Hence why Brexit is just not going to happen".

      I remember being told this back before the 2014 referendum. Yet here we are with a few weeks to go.

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    7. I remeber being told we were going to crash out in March, and then June, can't see October being any different with us not leaving.

      You have also predicted net emigration, parity with the Euro, retail sector recession, Inflation to rocket, real wages to fall, unemployment to skyrocket, the UK to remain as the slowest growing G&/EU economy, empty shelves etc multiple times since 2017 a none of these have happened, so you will forgive me if I don't trust your judgement in regards what happens in the future.

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    8. I'm afraid you are just making stuff up now. I never suggested these things would occur if the UK remained in the EU as it currently has (and is due to until at least the 31st October). I said they were very likely outcomes of it leaving.

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    9. You are the one completely convinced it will never leave at all, in which case we absolutely should expect no very serious ill effects to date.

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    10. No you predicted these things well before we were expected to leave. Net emigration you predicted for the summer of 2017( even produced your own little chart) when that did not happen you predicted it for the autumn of 2017 (again with another chart). As for parity you first predicted this in 2016
      When article 50 is triggered, the £ is likely to fall again to parity with the dollar.

      UK will go from ~22 to at least 35th place based on the current fall. Parity with the dollar would mean ~40th place in the world.

      Will drop out of the G7 too.

      and then every time the pound had a fall since, again this has never happened. you also predicted a recession by mid 2018 the list goes on and on.

      As I said you will forgive me if I take your predictions with a pinch of salt due to them being wholly inaccurate. As you say I have been of the mind that the UK will not leave the EU. This started since the court case concluded that the UK could revoke with out needing 'permission' from the EU, strengthened when BRexiters repeatedly voted against leaving the EU. Since we still in the EU 6 moths after we should of left and the opposition to leaving in October is higher than it has ever been I honestly can't see us leaving then, with a second ref following next spring.

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    11. Erm, I’ve never asked you to read my posts nor ‘trust’ what I say. Why therefore would I give a shit it if you did or not?
      And I have never predicted anything with certainty and fixed dates. You’ve just made that up like a brexiter.
      I’ve always said (ok not actually me, but the stories I’ve linked to) things are ‘likely’ outcomes that ‘trends’ ‘may be suggesting’ and ‘could happen by’… with these all based on specific scenarios, the central one being the UK actually leaving the EU; something it repeatedly hasn’t done. I fully admit to grossly underestimating the utter incompetence of the British state when it comes to governance and international relations.
      That aside, are you now saying that the adverse effects I’ve suggested in the past won’t happen if brexit goes ahead, or do agree I’m likely right, just have underestimated on suggested possible timing?
      Anyway, please find a single example where I have said something ‘will happen without question by a specific date’ (= prediction) which didn’t happen and I’ll concede (on that specific point).
      The only thing I am absolutely sure of is the end of the UK; that's coming, and very soon if brexit goes ahead (if not, then maybe another 5-10 years, as I’ve said countless times rather than predicting a definite data). The vast majority of Scots think that though (because they notice people younger than them massively back indy / the EU), so it's hardly Brahan Seer stuff.

      As for the 31st. Boris thinks the EU will blink. They won't as they will never trample on an UN peace deal, never mind one so important to a member state. So will he?

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    12. As a new EUref; this needs an electoral mandate via GE as we've discussed previously.

      If it doesn't have that, Remain will most likely lose due to anger of the 'Just keep asking until you get what you want' thing.

      Latest polling is 52% Remain / 48% Leave. Leave narrowing the gap since May it looks like.

      https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1159431043172261888





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    13. Net emigration in 2017
      parity with $ when article 50 triggered
      Inflation to increase/ real wages to fall during 2017
      Retail sector recession during 2017
      recession during 2018

      all predicted by yourself.

      Of course there will be a GE with a mandate for a second ref obtained in that, as you say polling shows a trend away from leave since the first ref.

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    14. No. You need to quote me fully with links.

      These are just leave.eu standard lies.

      I have never, ever said UK migration would go net. I've said that was likely for EU migration, but never migration as whole. I said that people from developing countries will still come as they are desperate and will suffer racist abuse etc as it's better than starving or being shot at. The skilled/talented will go where wages are better (stronger currency) and they are welcomed.

      Just after the EU ref migration from the EU started to collapse just as I said was likely. At the time the decline was very steep and I said that 'if such rates were sustained / based on the trend at the time, it could go negative as early as late 2017'. It has collapsed by ~70%, meaning I was 70% right in terms of numbers, but the rate of decline slowed once the UK started staying in rather than leaving.

      https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

      I do not recall making predictions, but UK wage growth was below inflation for the whole of 2017. I wish I had called that.

      https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/22/uk-pay-growth-employment-weekly-earnings

      The rest are bullshit to.

      You are just a bullshit merchant who attacks people personally.

      I actually do think it's 50/50 we'll see another extension. I don't think this shitshow is going away though, not when 48% back brexit and, particularly, when the UK is FPTP. The only way for England to get over this is to lose Britain.

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    15. nope you said there would be net EU emigration by summer of 2017, when that happened you said it would happen by autumn 2017 you even had graphs showing it.

      Anyhow your posts are available for people to see on the NW forum if they wish to see them, as for attacking people about what they post / say on forums etc you have no problems of challenging people on what they say, so I see no issue on challenging you or what you have said in the same way.

      I think another extension is pretty much certain i would put it at 70/30. Once that happens Boris will of failed on his promise of leaving by the 31% the con vote will split again, probably leading to a minority lab gov needing the Lib Dems and or SNP support with a second ref the price for their support.

      48% can back Brexit thats fine, 48% is less than the 50% thats needed to win a second ref.

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    16. You might want to note that net emigration of EU workers did occur like I suggested.

      https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/ukandnonukpeopleinthelabourmarket/may2019

      However, as it became clear the UK wasn't actually rushing out the door, this flow out the exit gates eased off, with a slight recovery following.

      However, as it stands, the number of EU workers in the UK has ended up essentially static since 2017, following decades of growth. So, I was correct here; static means no new net arrivals. Not quite negative, but the UK is certainly not attracting EU talent any more.

      It's not attracting global talent either. The number of non-EU workers is only a few % higher than it was over a decade ago.

      This is why wages are not growing meaningfully and productivity is shit. There is a skills shortage and so companies are having to take on less skilled brits to fill higher level positions. This might look good for unemployment numbers, but the effect is only temporary. Poor productivity mean slowing growth means lower wages means slower growth...

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    17. sorry you have lost me from your link:
      There were an estimated 2.38 million EU nationals working in the UK, 98,000 more than for a year earlier.

      more is not emirgation

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    18. but you are right there was a small drop between October and December 2018, of course that is over a latter than you predicted. If you predict something for a certain date and it happens over a year latter then your original statement is incorrect.

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    19. Are you unable to understand graphs? Did you not do these at school?

      There was net emigration of EU nationals by late 2017 (oct to dec) as the graph shows. The projections were correct. This net migration continued into 2018 before reversing as the UK started backing off from brexit with talk of a long (2 year) transition etc.

      Overall however, there has now been just a 0.8% increase since 2017 in Eu worker numbers compared to 10% rise for the same time period ahead of Brexit (typical of the decades long rise as the UK drew in talent). That's an utter collapse. An order of magnitude decline in workers from educated European countries.

      Per capita, the number of EU workers is now less than it was in 2017.

      So what said back then was broadly true.

      EU workers have largely stopped coming while total net EU immigration has collapsed by 70%. There was net emigration of workers by late 2017.

      Anyway, with that cleared up, I'll leave things here.

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    20. What's the NW forum?

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  4. So, what, 4 parties fighting over 48% of the vote = 12% each.

    Pretty much what polls are saying.

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  5. Skier up from the crypt and another night of rants ahead. If your frog wife is lonely I will put it in for you.

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    1. General Belgrano sank one in me.

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  6. Hey skier we can only sink the Belgrano once.

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  7. Independence is normal for any nation and Scotland will soon have theirs.

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    1. Except for that wee gusher in Crossmichael. Wanker.

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    2. Norris G ThundercakeAugust 9, 2019 at 9:32 AM

      We all know who you mean. He's a pricker.

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  8. Independence is not being controlled by the Romans in the EU.

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    1. Troubled MP Ross ThompsonAugust 8, 2019 at 12:23 AM

      Exactly. Janet Nicholson is controlling it all from a small shop near Tayvallich.

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  9. Ferdinand GalsworthyAugust 7, 2019 at 11:55 PM

    I just saw Chieftain o' the Puddin' Race (self identifying as Ian Murray MP) on Newsnight.

    Apart from the fact that I thought troubled MP Ross Thomson was the only man slow enough to start trying to grow a beard at a time when even bank clerks realise they're out of fashion, there's Old Puddin' doing a Ross and letting the stubble flow. Ach well, why be a slave to fashion? Go on, Puddy, be a style individual.
    He seemed to be blubbering on about something political but there was a 12 year old internet the interviewing him, so he was out of his depth.

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    1. You and your gusset. Whoosh!!

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    2. Jo's large breastsAugust 8, 2019 at 12:54 AM

      You Scottish nationalist gay boys do not know what you are missing.

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  10. Today suppliers requested the suspension of the Competition laws applied to food supplies and government coordination of food supplies in the event of a no deal Brexit.
    For people who do not understand what that means here it is in plain English. The first step taken towards food rationing and whatever passes for a ration book in the age of the internet, was taken today.
    So I hope you will all begin stockpiling non perishable foods and start planting on any available ground you have. Perhaps you should also look into an allotment. Other things like building a large green house or turning a South facing room into a potting area. The possibility of lamps and hydroponics should be examined.
    As yet the UK government has not setup a Ministry of Food but information leaflets from WW2 might be available form historians or even your local library.

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  11. Panelbase: 'If BJ becomes PM, 53% will back Yes'.

    BJ becomes PM. 53% back yes.

    BBC polling: 'In the even of no deal, up to 60% could back independence'.

    Tick tock.

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    1. Where did 53% back yes?

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    2. Damn, so statistically it could be only 49%. :(

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    3. Maybe, but it could also be 50%,51%,52%,53%,54% or 55%

      Anyway, your statement is irrelevant.

      I said panelbase predicted 53% if bozo won. And we have such a poll within MoE after bozo won. If panelbase had predicted 49% for a Bozo win, your comment might have some relevance.

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  12. The brexiters are right; No deal emtpy shelves, nae medicine and a trashed economy would definitely unite Scots against the external aggressor.

    It would that 'Longshanks/Cumberland/Thatcher spirit' all over again.

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  13. James, You said in your piece: "He's (Richard Leonard) making himself look a bit bloody ridiculous."

    I have thought, since he was thrust upon us, looking ridiculous was Wee Dick Leonard's default position.

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  14. This is an interesting article on Labour List:
    https://labourlist.org/2019/08/why-mcdonnell-was-right-about-a-second-scottish-independence-vote/

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  15. British nationalist desperation continues.

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    1. Yes we are all tewibly desperate. I have never been so desperate. My bowel movements are very watery with desperation.

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    2. Why do you think we're desperate? Lol. We aren't worried at all. Everything's going to plan. You Nats are the desperate ones. Yes, you. I can smell your desperation. Stop being so desperate. It's embarrassing how desperate you are. Desperate, that's you.

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    3. Effie Clutterbuck (deceased)August 10, 2019 at 10:35 AM

      You're funny.

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  16. https://www.ft.com/content/f9246608-b9bf-11e9-8a88-aa6628ac896c

    Boris Johnson eyes election in ‘days after’ Brexit

    Officials reveal option to ‘neuter the Brexit party’ if PM loses no-confidence vote…

    …“We can’t stop them forcing an election but we control the timetable so we will force the date after October 31,” said a senior 10 Downing Street official. “If there must be a general election, then it will be days after October 31.”

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  17. Skier, this was my prediction of a few days ago. Bojo calls an election anytime after mid Sept which means the campaign will last beyond 31 Oct, and, ideally for him, election day is 31 Oct. So HoC is closed and the deadline passes with the No Deal default. He remains PM while the campaign runs (so only he can ask for an extention) and can demonstrate to the leavers he delivered Brexit, so would win the full leave vote and likely a majority in HoC.

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    1. It makes a lot of sense. The problem is if it all goes to shit too soon, i.e. everything is falling apart before the 31st economically / socially.

      That may cost him the election. Doesn't necessarily stop brexit though.

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    2. Boo hiss, Jeremy could win and deliver a leftie socialist anti semetic Labour Gov.

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    3. Not happening. To call a GE election he has to get at least 2/3rds of the MPs to agree. If there was that level of support for No Deal then there'd be no need for one.

      Next it is the duty of a Prime Minister who doesn't have the confidence of the House to recommend his successor. That's why after the 2010 GE Brown was still PM until he threw in the towel and recommended Cameron.

      For all the bluster Bojo can't lose a vote of no confidence in his government and stay in office if there's a viable alternative government. Nor can he legally prevent one forming as provided for by the Fixed Term Parliament Act.

      Even then a new election within 8 weeks of the failed VoNC would seem apt. Especially given that any longer would be a reward for failure.

      A Prime Minister abusing his post to deliberately prevent Parliament doing there's would best take care lest he force them to remove him from his seat and thus disqualify him from holding office. Never mind throw him in jail as would be within their power under the Contempt of Parliament Act

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  18. Skier, time to dig for Britain like our parents did in the face of the Nazis. Oops forgot you are a fan of the new Nazis.

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    1. Perhaps GWC it is you that is the new Nazi?

      Just asking for a friend, obviously.

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    2. Is it a fisherman's friend you suck?

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    3. Girl Woman Cordelia. GWC is the fisherman's friend. On payday.

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    4. GWC - are you still on Grindr? I've lost our chats and pics.

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  19. UK economy in contraction Q2.

    It would be a (pleasant) surprise if the same is not happening right now Q3. If so, the brecession is underway.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/uk-economy-suffers-shock-0-2-pre-brexit-contraction-in-second-quarter-first-since-2012-idUKKCN1UZ0S2?il=0

    UK economy suffers shock 0.2% pre-Brexit contraction in second-quarter, first since 2012.

    The 'golden age' is upon us.

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    1. The new buzz word the Nat sis and their middle class green and lib bum chums have adopted is 'catastrophic'. Just heard it again on the BBC remain channel.

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  20. I must admit the UK government intentionally trying to shrink the Scottish economy - as least openly - is new.

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    1. Corbyn has written to the Cabinet Secretary Sir Mark Sedwell in an attempt to stop Brexit. The referendum vote is now not relevant anymore. Not much point in having another referendum if the outcome is not respected.

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  21. Pound now hitting new post-Brexit lows against the Euro.

    #Goldenage

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  22. It's great to know we've a safe pair of hands on the tiller as the economy starts to contract ahead of a potential crash out brexit.

    Boris is renowned for his economic expertise. I'm sure with his cardboard red buses and £350 million crayon stencil he'll see us through.

    If the UK enters recession, it will be doing so having never recovered from the 2008-10 great financial crisis. Wages are still less than they were before that. They were on track to recover before the brexit referendum, but the associated pound crash caused made sure brits have remained poorer than they were over a decade ago.

    If the UK crashes out of the EU, the pound will likely lose at least the same again, falling another 25% against the Euro/Dollar.

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    1. Just wondering if you actually read what was on the bus.

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  23. A Tory Baroness Wheatcroft on 300 quid a day is saying brexit is a disaster. Shutting down the Lords would be as brave a move as Brexit.

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    1. You need tae vote SNP. They support shutting it down and refuse to sit in it.

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    2. Well if the Nat sis get rid of half MSPs then that will be a starter. Sort your own corrupt house first..

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    3. The Brexit forthcoming recession will increase the cost of Buckfast and related drug use in Scotland. The only way out is independence and selling out Scotland to the EU plus adopting the euro. SCOTLAND CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT EU PATRONAGE.

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    4. The EU war has already been won in Scotland.

      You are like soldier lost in the jungle for years after who thinks it's still on. The Remain vote was an epic landslide of historic proportions.

      People want indy to stay in the EU. Your posts just encourage indy.

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    1. I'm glad you removed that comment before I had a chance to read it. I'd be seething with rage if I had.

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  25. I'm really proud of Labour supporters, it reminds me of before 2014 when I turned to support Indy and had been disillusioned towards Labour for a lot of years, after 37 years at the time I decided to cancel my membership and join Labour for Indy in 2012 there was only 9% of Yes Labour supporters. During the campaign, we spoke to many Scots, we stood on stalls along with a mix of Yes supporters, one thing I found was "why did I think SNP were the enemy, they were genuinely great people and very, very knowledgeable on everything related to Scotland.

    It made me realise that though I always felt Scottish, I was happy enough being in the union, just don't ask me why, laziness in actually reading up a lot of real facts for starters. The more I learnt history, economical facts and figures, the more I was annoyed at myself that I lived with my head in sand and a brainwashing by Labour that SNP were BAD, when I asked myself why they were bad, I had no answers other than the propaganda lies of Labour. By the time the 2014 Referendum happened, Labour Yes supporters were at 37%, after we were defeated (we had at least 97% of British media against us, every single unionist politician and those who just hated SNP and sadly the Saltire, I think we all know the specific British people born in Scotland but hating everything Scotland stood for and all of them on the unionist side bombarded Scots with full on diarrhea of propaganda lies and fake promises.

    Most Scots, like I had been, were pretty clueless about the real facts, they read the propaganda lies and didn't venture to step outside Labour unionist box where the real facts were. So to see 40% of Labour supporters would support Indy made me really happy. I think in most of us who have a lifelong Labour upbringing, taught about Keir Hardie and the real struggles of Labour till sadly, the politicians became careerists and cared less about Scotland and what was right for us, it has been since Blair greatly evident that too many are selfserving, including my ex MP Gordon Brown, he returned home a millionaire Capitalist who had no shame in his horrendous lies and fake promises, he was the most dishonest of them all. I know 2014 may not have been the catalyst to look at Indy with a fresh eye but Brexit and the disgrace of both Tories and Labour and that neither will serve Scotland well, they had both been failing us badly for decades. To visualise what a real grassroots Scottish Labour party free of the corruption of Westminster and the House of Lords where there are no perks for these Scottish politicians who would fight to the death for the union, not for Scotland but for their Ermine and title in Lords. I get excited thinking of a truly Scottish Labour working for Scotland and only Scotland, no one instructing them from Westminster what they can and can't do. I hope even more Labour folk dare to dream, the time is now and thinking of Keir Hardie's Home Rule that was ignored time and time again when he put it up for discussion in Westminster, he would most definitely be calling out for Independence under the circumstances we are in.

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    1. Mein Gott Eva Prawn Hitlers shag could have said that in a sentence whilst dropping some substance on the Jews.

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    2. You've a strange obsession with the nazis GWC; yer even speaking German now.

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    3. GWC speaks pretty OK German and knows which mistakes to make to make it appear than she can't. She's got a good sense of humour and plays the agent provocateur well. Strange that she seems to have given up the working class Glasgwegian persona.

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    4. Far too much to say for yourself. You girlies should spend more time cleaning your minging houses and keeping your family fed and washed. Jump to it.

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  26. The UK government is actually going to deliberately cause a huge range of businesses to collapse, then use taxpayers money - including those it just made unemployed - to prop these up while they move all the operations they can out of the country.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-bailout/johnson-eyes-fund-to-help-businesses-at-risk-of-post-brexit-collapse-the-times-idUKKCN1UZ2CQ

    The government has drawn up a secret list of big British employers that are considered to be most at risk of collapse and the construction and manufacturing sectors are expected to be the worst affected, Times said.

    Michael Gove, the government minister responsible for planning for a “no-deal Brexit”, confirmed for the first time that ministers were working on a package to help companies at risk, the newspaper added. Johnson’s Brexit war cabinet is expected to discuss the bailout plans, known as “Operation Kingfisher”, next week, the newspaper said.

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    1. Skier is now a prophet. Hope it all comes true jist for your reputation.

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  27. The Excellent MabelsAugust 10, 2019 at 10:50 AM

    Michael Gove sounds more and more like Jo Swinson every day. Are they the same person?

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  28. Hey Skier it is you Nat sis who are obsessed with Herman the German. You want the fookers to run Scotia.

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  29. Hey Skier want to open up my bottom and find my brain?

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  30. Were are you Skier? Usually got plenty to say for yourself. Scared to answer? Pussy fairy.

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  31. I want troubled MP Ross Thomson to bring me to a dinner party hosted by Nadine Dorries.

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