Sunday, September 23, 2018

Corbyn's day of infamy as Labour become the party of colonialism

If it was the case that Labour were simply saying that winning a majority in Scotland at the next general election would constitute a mandate to block an independence referendum, that might just about be a defensible position.  (It would still be wrong, incidentally, because a Holyrood election is the appropriate arena to seek constitutional mandates.  But at least it would be an acknowledgement that a Scottish mandate is required.)  What they instead appear to be saying is that they will seek a Britain-wide "mandate" to block an indyref, and even if Scotland comprehensively rejects Labour for a third consecutive general election, the wishes of voters south of the border will be imposed in Scotland, and the wishes of voters who actually live in Scotland will be contemptuously disregarded.

That isn't democracy.  That's a hostage situation.  Labour have today embraced the logic of colonialism - indeed, it's precisely the same logic that has fuelled the persecution of the Catalan independence movement.  Incredibly, Labour have looked at what the Spanish government did and thought "wow, that's a template we must copy".  We used to think the idea of a British government seeking the imprisonment of SNP ministers was totally unthinkable...but then the idea that a major UK party would oppose Scotland's right to self-determination was unthinkable until very recently.  Who knows what the future might hold.

There is a very clear lesson here for the SNP.  Attaining a referendum via a Section 30 order is now a non-starter regardless of whether there is a Tory or Labour government.  So from this moment on we shouldn't hear any more about how the SNP leadership are temperamentally opposed to a referendum held without Westminster's consent.  Of course a Section 30 would have been preferable, but you can only choose an option that is actually open to you.  If you will the ends, you have to will the means.  That leads us inescapably to one of two possibilities - either a consultative referendum held without a Section 30 order (which would probably have to be defended at the Supreme Court), or the seeking of an outright mandate for independence at the next Holyrood election.

As for Corbyn's motivation for abandoning his long-standing and principled opposition to colonialism, I can only assume that it must be a cynical electoral calculation aimed at winning back voters who were won over by the moronic simplicity of the Tories' "No to Indyref 2" message in June 2017.  If so, it's an enormous gamble, because there were Yes voters who backed Corbyn last year, but for whom voting for a party explicitly seeking a mandate to block an indyref will be a step too far.  The penny seems to have finally dropped today for Cat Boyd, for example.

143 comments:

  1. Devolution is dead,at least the pretence of devolution is.
    The London based political parties are now all making clear that they will do anything to stop another Scottish independence referendum from taking place.
    No more hiding behind cosy devolution for Scottish labour supporters,it is either independence or London rule.
    Unfortunately,many will choose the latter.

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  2. The next referendum should to repeal the treaty of Union,thus returning the country of Great Britian to the dust bin. Left with Scotland and England as two seperate countries.

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    1. Believe it or not my Celtic cousin you would be surprised at just how many ordinary Labour party members totally support an Independent Scotland. it is your right to determine your own future and as Socialists to support you 100%, no questions asked. Labour has and is changing and once again, decency, honesty and principles are being driven from below. The "old" Labour party still has its Starry eyed, "we know best" adherants so be quiet but they will be cleared out over time.Many would be more comfortable in the Tory party anyway.Keep the faith.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2September 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM

      How often does William purve? We have the write to know.

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    3. Lord McConnell of MalawiOctober 2, 2018 at 11:38 PM

      Glasgow Working Class 2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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  3. Any chance of a link to the Cat Boyd article? I've searched the usual places

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    1. What article are you referring to?

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    2. Kangaroo says
      Your last line "the penny seems to have finally dropped for Cat Boyd"
      Is there a reference, or is it just your opinion?

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    3. I'm sorry, Anon, you've completely lost me.

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    4. Kangaroo says
      Deary me James. The last line in your article suggests that Cat Boyd has changed her mind as the "penny has dropped". The other Anon, not me, asked if there was an article that goes with that statement. I was merely trying to asist you by identifying the source of Anons request.

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    5. Deary me indeed. If you were a different Anon, you could have made that clear. You could also have explained where the kangaroo comes into all this. Oh, and the other Anon didn't ask "if there was an article that goes with that statement". He or she simply asked for a link to "the Cat Boyd article", without explaining which article they were talking about.

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    6. Kangaroo says... my monicker
      The article is the one where "the penny drops" for Cat Boyd.
      If there is in fact no article then where do you get the idea that "today the penny dropped for Cat Boyd".
      This is getting ridiculous.

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    7. See her twitter feed, e.g.

      https://twitter.com/kittycatboyd/status/1043827720243818507

      Cat Boyd
      @kittycatboyd
      Okay so. Basically what Labour is saying is if Corbyn is elected to No.10 then they’ll block #indyref2? Is that the actual bloody line, lads? Are you serious?

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    8. If you want your moniker to be Kangaroo, why not use that as your moniker, instead of calling yourself Anonymous but randomly adding "Kangaroo says" to the start of each comment? I mean, each to their own, but...bizarre.

      And, yes, it's completely impossible for Cat Boyd to have communicated her thoughts without writing an article. She does not possess the power of speech. A website known as "Twitter" does not exist. There is NO CONCEIVABLE WAY she could have done it without writing an article. So, yes, you're right, it's obvious I must have made the whole thing up.

      Great sleuthing, Sergeant Anon...sorry, Sergeant Kangaroo.

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    9. You have more confidence in Cat Boyd's ability to understand pennies dropping than I do, but from that tweet it is at least possible.

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    10. Reginald Flute The Branch'sSeptember 30, 2018 at 9:52 AM

      At least she wasn't dropped on her head from a lamp post. J R Dallas.

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    11. Reginald Flute the Branch's AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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    12. Lord Reid of ExpensesOctober 3, 2018 at 6:29 AM

      We Rule the Waves AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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  4. I don't think your "Corbyn's motivation" is accurate.

    It is more likely that Scotland is too valuable to a Brexit-ed UK for even Corbyn to let go. (Ergo - Scotland is so valuable it is essential to the English status quo....or to put it another way - England may not survive in its current form if Scotland leaves the UK)

    Scotland needs to start reading between the lines (stop assuming benign motivations) and plan their exit with their eyes open to the full extent Westminster will go to.

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    1. I agree. He is running to ask the queen to name him prime minister of all 4 and parts if France. The lack of France still irks her . lol! Not gonna want to lose Scotland!

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  5. My worry about Holyrood election as IndyRefis dHondt and unionist tactical voting: I'd prefer next GE if a snap GE called to be a de facto indy ref confirmed by National Constitutional Assembly of all MPs and MSPs.

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    1. You'd be a lot better off worrying about your overwait hubby, dear

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  6. Is this actual UK Labour policy, or is it just Richard Leonard hoping that it will become UK Labour policy?

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  7. Corbyn is anti-colonial but probably does not see England as a colonial power. What should they know of England who only England know? Scotland is the cash cow that supports England in the style to which it has become accustomed and it is close to impossible for any English politician to consider a 'Britain' consisting of England, a tiny dysfunctional bit of Ireland and an increasingly unwilling Wales.

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    1. After independenve there would be no Great Britian, only Scotland and England.

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    2. There's William purving again. He can't help himself.

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    3. GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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  8. You omitted one thing James. There is going to be a general election in November. Should the SNP not take that on as a proxy indi referendum. Majority = independence. As long as the SNP win 51% of the popular vote based on independence?

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  9. Huge gas field discovered west of Shetland in Scots territorial waters.
    Easily and cheaply recoverable apparently.
    Meanwhile oil prices keep rising.
    Labour takes chance to remind us that in reality England MP's retain the right to Overrule Holyrood and stymie the notion of sovereignty being in the Scottish people's hands.
    The'Union'continues to tear itself up.

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    1. Ramalama Ddingdong

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  10. Honest question from a Unionist: What (IYO) would be the point of holding a consultative referendum which would be largely ignored by Noers? What good would it do to the Indy movement when an plebiscite which would have a 95% Yes vote on a 35% electoral turnout and would not be in any way legitimate? Would it not be an embarrassment?

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    1. I'm obviously not replying for James but I'm interested to know where do you get the info of a 35% turnout?

      If people vote yes majority in a referendum it will be exceedingly difficult to refuse to at least acknowledge that, don't you think? The first indyref set a precedent.

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    2. 35% is a fantasy figure plucked out of thin air. And how would the unionist parties justify a boycott anyway? If a consultative referendum takes place, that would almost certainly mean that the UK Supreme Court would have okayed it. That, surely, ought to be the very definition of 'legitimacy' for a unionist.

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    3. Geacher: I've deleted your comment because it contained outright misinformation. By all means put forward alternative opinions, but not alternative "facts".

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    4. If you would be so kind James, what alternative facts did I put up?

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    5. My pleasure. You wrongly asserted that support for independence has fallen since the 2014 referendum. Although the polling evidence is inconsistent on this point, on balance it suggests the opposite is true. Hope this helps.

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  11. Personally, I think Corbyn (& also Leonard) knows that UK needs Scotland's revenue. Our revenue is the only thing keeping the country afloat. He knows UK cannot afford to let Scotland go. So they will do everything within or WITHOUT the law, to prevent Scotland going for or obtaining independence. Scotland's Revenue is THE BOTTOM LINE.

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  12. @ James Kelly- here we go again - the UK Supreme Court - dominated by, England? Why does Scotland, and it's politicians, recognise the Supreme Court? We have our own Scottish Law, we have no need of their Supreme Court.

    Laws are for the guidance of the wise, and the obedience of fools.Seems to me very foolish to accept the authority of a Court dominated by "Others".

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  13. As a yes and Labour 2017 voter this is very disappointing.

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    1. Boo bloody hop.

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  14. Independence as an idea and democratic principle will never be dead.
    In a normal country with normal people,including England,the aspiration is to elect a Government of your choice,not allow people in another country to do that for you.
    At some point,a majority of Scots will realise the necessity of that principle.

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  15. Geacher: Comment deleted. Misinformation is unacceptable, abusive behaviour is totally unacceptable. Kindly take your attitude problem elsewhere. Oh, and as for "independence being dead", you might be able to say that with a straight face when the SNP *don't* hold 60% of the Scottish seats at Westminster. But by all means keep thinking comforting thoughts...

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  16. Geacher: I said take it elsewhere, and I meant it. It's your own time you're wasting.

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  17. James, this Labour share holding policy would make Maggie Bad Face proud. She has turned left wing Momentum Labour into a Capitalist share holding stakeholder.

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    1. Glesga2 AKA GWC2 AKA the Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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    2. Repetitive comments are a sign of having a sore bum!

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  18. There's a case heading to the Supreme Court regarding the continuity bill based on the idea that Holyrood need to second guess Westminster and not do anything actually within it's devolved remit in anticipation of events that might change. As in not legislate on matters currently "reserved" to the EU but on leaving become fully under Holyrood control except where international treaty obligations kick in.

    All that confusion means is that regardless of the right to hold a consultative referendum Westminster are in a frame of mind where they can simply veto it as even on the terms of enabling Holyrood to start consultations to achieve the will of the people of Scotland, as per UN charter obligations agreed to by the UK, it could have an impact on the constitution of the UK.

    Apparently the SoS, Mundell, might have a veto. So the next level of stupidity will be that regardless of the right to hold consultative referenda being unarguably devolved and no S30 needed he, or his Labour successor, might be pig shit thick enough to overturn the legislation needed to organise one.

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  19. Hypothetically:
    Internal party polling may now be showing that, if a second independence reference were held, the result would be yes.
    In that case, the only way to maintain the union would be to block indyref2, by any means possible.

    Pure speculation on my part, but this is the simplest explanation I can come up with to explain Mr Leonard proposing such an anti-democratic measure.

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    1. Reminds me of that other right wing Labour politician Jack Straw who demanded,as per Madrid with respect to Catalonia,that the constitution be changed to prevent Scotland from ever holding another independence referendum.
      Authoritarianism is not just the preserve of the Tories,it has support from all the Britnat parties.

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  20. "Kangaroo": Any further trolling from you will be deleted as soon as I see it. Just pack it in.

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  21. "The next referendum should to repeal the treaty of Union" As it was a politcal majority that ended Scottish independece, then a political majority is all that is needed to end the union. I would add that the political majority should have over 50% of the vote to make it democratic.

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    1. "a politcal [sic] majority ended independence"??! Are you joking? Do you know even the slightest thing about how the union came about? It certainly was not by any political majority. It was by a cabal of the elite of both Scotland and England.

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    2. We don't need another pile of doodle dandy from a cranky hanky like you Tomlin.

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  22. 'As it was a politcal majority that ended Scottish independece,'

    No it wasn't, it was well documented bribery and corruption of a non democratic Scots Parliament that ended Scotland's Independence. (Followed by widespread rioting and disruption from the population against the decision.) Did I also mention the massing of an English army on the border...
    In normal circumstances the Treaty of Union, with all the well documented corruption and coercion which surrounded it, would be considered illegal and null and void under the terms of the 1969 Vienna Convention (ratified by the UK).

    braco

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    1. What ur saying braco is u jocks pussied out of the fight.

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  23. The obvious connection between what Corbyn supports and doesn't is violence. It's not a good look. That's not a comment on the rights or wrongs of those causes. Just that unless you are prepared to threaten his life Corbyn doesn't want to listen.

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  24. "Kangaroo": Comments deleted. The profile options are perfectly sufficient - it's not my fault if you're incapable of using them. Go away.

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  25. Some comment young James about Colonialism! More so when some of you Nat sis want to be a Colony of the EU.

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    1. GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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    2. Easy Irene drap yer knickers hen.

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  26. Labour's record on colonialism is a disgrace.
    When they came to power after WW2 their policy anent the British Empire was identical to the Tories.
    The Portuguese socialists freed all their colonies virtually overnight.
    Scotland is not even seen as the North.
    We're beyond the North,and beyond the pale.
    Nae Brit politician lies awake in London thinking 'what can we do for Scotland' If ye believe that you really are a true Brit wi bells on.

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    1. ramstam is a historical fake news agent. THE Portuguese gave up their Colonies during the seventies but kept control of their interests and corrupt governments.

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    2. GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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  27. Jermy Leave-Every-Option-Open Caurbin - what a chancer.

    His Scottish civil-servant stroller - Dick, has not got a clue about Scotland.

    Red-tie labour and the union cabal, are withering on the strong westerlies.

    Nice to get through a good few comments, before the lodger interrupted proceedings.

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  28. Reginald Flute The BerrySeptember 30, 2018 at 9:48 AM

    Anonymous AKA Twat

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  29. It's so needy, isn't it?

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  30. You need your fucki*g head examining. Your brains melted into ear wax with all your creme puffing. Fairy face

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    1. Toot my Flute AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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  31. So very, very needy.
    Should I make it cry again?

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  32. Go an do your ballet dance. Pinciping about the place like Fanny Cradock. Who do you think you fuck*Ng are? Tossa.

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    1. Bitch Hector Fanny AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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  33. And now I'll make it dance while it cries.

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    1. You'd love to dance with me wouldn't you. You and Larry Grayson pinciping around wearing dressed and may cup. Sinister wierdo. The pare of you.

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  34. Fake news is England/UK Labour at their conference pledging a Scottish National Investment Bank.
    Keep up Corbyn. The SNP Scottish Govt are already delivering on that one.
    Pure ignorance. Nobody in Scotland with a political memory trusts Labour anymore, and England won't elect them anyway.
    Real change is coming with Scottish independence.

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    2. EU CRAWLER ANTI SCOTTISH SHITEBAG.

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    3. A National Investment Bank with no money.

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  35. The subject continues to respond exactly as anticipated.
    Its impotent rage is outweighed only by its desperate need for human contact, even if all it can muster by way of communication are homophobic insults.

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    1. Humpledike arse bandit.

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    2. Frrndinand zpulg AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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    3. It continues to dance to my tune and its tormented rage amuses me when I can spare the time.

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    4. Your tunes like a fools tube. You for*cling spaz. Nobody gives a shut about your peafigs pals. Test.

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    5. British Jocko AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois the marionette

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  36. James, does that 40% labor, 35% tory, 8% other poll that projects to 304 labor seats have Scottish sub sample.??? Isn't 304 over half of non Scotland seats? Is that 304 in England and Wales?

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  37. James, you're 100% correct over S30 order. It is wrong of any scottish politician to effectively cede sovereignty to the England UK parliament.
    The freedom of the people can never under any circumstance be reserved to any parliamentary body outside of Scotland. Either stand up for Scotland or step aside. Learn the lesson of history.

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    1. WULLIE WALLACE AKA MEL GIBSONOctober 1, 2018 at 9:42 PM

      You the knobend want to surrender Scotland tae ra EU.

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    2. Wullie Wallace AKA Mel Gibson AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

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    3. Uncle Jock Campaign to cut Msp Spongers.October 1, 2018 at 11:16 PM

      IainTtit. AKA the modern sell oot Jock tae anyone.

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  38. We Scottish Pape Priests are not all paedophiles. A few of us like women but cannot marry them. THE Vatican favours the bum boys.

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    1. Erry Jaduns. We Oirish men like it up dabum on a herd border.

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    2. MASON BOYNE AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois.
      And, apparently, it's Sore Bum.

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    1. Flt The BanneretteOctober 2, 2018 at 7:51 AM

      You need a aumple in your fuck*ng arsehike. Test.

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    2. Flt The Bannerette AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois and its tear-stained incoherence

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    3. You fuck*ING bucket of shit. Go and so*n* yourself to fuck* you gribbling c*nt.

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  40. It thinks it can order me around.
    That's as funny as it is pathetic.
    Now I'll make it dance through its tears of rage.

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  41. I made it cry again.

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  42. Get a life you gribbling tit.

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  43. L.O.L. AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois

    Poor woman.

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  44. Making the snivelling homophobe cry hot tears of rage is mildly amusing, when I can spare the time.

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    1. Parthetic fool. You don't make me do anything you hendolf arseflake. Hahahahahahaha. I make a fitting twat out a you. You.

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    2. GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois and its tear-stained incoherence.

      Today must have hurt.

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  45. Nothing hurts like the truth you gribbling poof pugwashing men and putting on woman's close and trying to pick up drunk guy's so you can try and turn them into queerie's like you. We use to laugh at you now we feel sorry for you. Your line Lily Savage.

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  46. Man's MN ab AKA GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois and its desperate need for attention

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  47. I think I made it cry again.

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  48. Jeep Jasper - hagahaOctober 6, 2018 at 5:27 PM

    Get a f*ucking life you tossa. You always in here trying to make mm e feel bad. Hahaaha. I feel fuck*Ng great you corn beef face full*k.

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    1. Jeep Jasper - hagaha AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois the raging gammon

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  49. Yep. Definitely made it cry.
    That was funny.

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  50. You cry when fit guys like rugby players with big chests and shoulders tell you to further*k off. You like them big with Tatt's and stubble but they think your a *ucking fairy. Sad c*into. Now splanternoff.

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  51. It really shouldn't share so much of its inner life with us.

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  52. I think I broke it.

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  53. Break you're bundick. Hahahaha. Test!!!

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  54. More stream of consciousness gibberish from trolly.
    Yep, definitely broke it.

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  55. I best your eating s s b.

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    1. I mean, I bet your waring a bra.

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  56. More screams of impotent rage.
    Tormenting the troll into a hissy fit is occasionally amusing.

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  57. I know all about you sweatie's and what you get up to. Purvy fudgeoacker'fu all of you at it. Your Jock women are dog's. Don't blame you but my ass is my own.

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  58. Made it cry again.
    That was funny.

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  59. Oh yes. It's Mrs Bunty Fluntypad in a dress with flowers on. Dancing around like an elephant. Ugly cow. Oh yes. It's Nickaless Dungdeon. I new it. Ponce

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  60. Tormenting the troll into a petulant hissy fit is occasionally amusing.

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  61. Morning squire. How's youre pink fruit vadket? Pinker than Larry Grayson's poncing pants.

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    1. GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois of the 77th (Manky Shirt) Auxiliaries the thin skinned wretch.
      I'll never get tired of tormenting the halfwit.

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    2. GWC2 AKA The Hon. Cordelia Bracely-Dubois of the 77th (Manky Shirt) Auxiliaries and its deep-seated personal issues.
      I haven't tried to laugh at it - I just laughed at it and tormented it some more.
      The angrier it gets, the more I laugh.

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      I think I made it cry again.

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  62. "Muldridge" seems to be a new one. I wonder if it means the same as "peafig" or "sifter". I must be a "gribbling spirella" for not knowing.

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    1. Poor Cordelia doesn't even know what it's dribbling on about.
      The incoherent ravings are quite funny, though.

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  63. I just spotted "vadket". It looks quite exotic.

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    1. If it's a bot, the boys in St Petersburg need to work on its translation matrix.
      If it's human, it's and indictment on decades of SLab's education policy in Glasgow...

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