Sunday, November 3, 2024

Budget disaster for Labour in Scotland: bombshell Norstat poll shows SNP surging into big lead

I said on Wednesday that the initial reaction of commentators to a Budget often bears little resemblance to the actual political impact of that Budget after a little time has elapsed.  We may be seeing that phenomenon here, because in the hours after Rachel Reeves' speech, Scottish Labour figures and Labour-supporting journalists in Scotland were pretty bullish in their belief that she had found an alchemy that would set them up for success against the SNP.  And yet the first post-Budget poll in Scotland shows Labour nosediving.  That doesn't appear to be a coincidence, because the supplementary questions of the poll show that, even though many of the individual Budget measures command public support, there are pluralities who feel that the overall package is bad for households and bad for Scotland as a whole.

Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

SNP 33% (-)
Labour 23% (-7)
Conservatives 15% (+3)
Reform UK 11% (+2)
Liberal Democrats 10% (+2)
Greens 6% (+1)

Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:

SNP 29% (+1)
Labour 22% (-6)
Conservatives 14% (-)
Reform UK 11% (+2)
Greens 9% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 9% (+2)
Alba 3% (-2)

Seats projection: SNP 51, Labour 29, Conservatives 16, Reform UK 12, Liberal Democrats 11, Greens 10

There's an important caveat here: four GB-wide polls have also been conducted since the Budget and three of those have shown Labour holding steady.  So if there is a Budget effect that is causing Labour to plummet in Scotland, it's odd that there isn't an equivalent Britain-wide effect.  Perhaps that's one reason to be sceptical, or at least cautious, about the trend that Norstat are showing.  But at the very least it looks like the Budget hasn't helped Labour's popularity.

In spite of the unexpectedly quick improvement of the SNP's polling position relative to Labour's since the general election, one thing we've had to keep reminding ourselves is that the SNP only looked well-placed to retain power in 2026, rather than to retain the overall pro-independence majority in the Scottish Parliament.  For the first time, this poll offers a scenario in which it starts to look just about plausible that the pro-independence majority could be rescued.  The SNP and Greens in combination are projected to have 61 seats - just 4 short of the 65 required for a majority.

There are different ways in which that shortfall could potentially be bridged, but it looks as if seats for Alba are unlikely to play any part.  As has been well-rehearsed, Norstat and their predecessor firm Panelbase have a history of significantly overstating Alba support, showing the party on 5% or 6% when the real figure was around 2%.  That was why there was a lot of wishful thinking involved when Alba claimed that the last Norstat poll, which showed them on 5%, was an indication that they were on course for list seats.  But now that even Norstat have them on only 3%, it's clear that Alba are not heading for list seats as things stand and that something will have to fundamentally change if a breakthrough is to be made.  I know that some people in Alba believed that the shock of Alex Salmond's death would in itself lead to a boost in support, but that certainly doesn't seem to have happened.

Once again, there's good news for the SNP in the leaders' ratings. Although John Swinney is in negative territory at -11, that still makes him slightly more popular than Anas Sarwar at -17, and far more popular than Keir Starmer at -36.  Russell Findlay has a poor opening score of -28, although admittedly that's a significant improvement on his predecessor Douglas Ross.

Interestingly, of the six individual Budget measures asked about in the poll, the only one respondents oppose (albeit narrowly) is providing £3 billion in funding to Ukraine "for as long as it takes".  That certainly wouldn't have been the case at the start of the war.  Perhaps voters have noticed that a First World War type stalemate has occurred and that resources are disappearing into a sort of 'death factory' rather than anything that will change the trajectory of the conflict. Or perhaps cynicism is creeping in, because it's so clear that the UK government will do whatever it takes to help Ukraine against Russian aggression, but will do absolutely nothing to aid the far more vulnerable population of Gaza against the Israeli-perpetrated genocide.

69 comments:

  1. There was a council by-election, and I remember that when the Reform UK was eliminated quite a few - maybe a third - of the votes went to the SNP. So perhaps that's a protest vote?

    Anyways, if the SNP can get back those protest votes (go all out for Indy), then they could take a fair few of those Reform UK votes and maybe even get a majority.

    It's all to play for if they aren't cloth-eared and blinkered.

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    1. There is an overlap between snp and reform. There is a Scottish nationalist vote which tolerates progressives more than loves them.
      Reform leader is scotland voted yes in 2014.

      The thing for me is immigration horse has already bolted. The indigenous population with Scottish identity is on the wane. Positive or negative it makes independence more difficult in my view. You don't make a country out of a London-esque population.

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    2. Nasty wee man. Away back to the Mail.

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    3. Another Anon here. I know more than my fair share of Yes Leavers, so I know what you’re on about. There’s this lazy assumption from many that there’s a right side vs. a wrong side to everything, so good folk should be woke, Europhile Yessers, and bad folk should be Telegraph reading Farage loving Nos. The reality, though, is much more messy, on all issues.

      Scots identity is much stronger than you think, though. Just look at the stats on that over the years. “Scottish only” beats every other self identity by a massive majority. Britishness is dying here, despite all of the obvious migration from the south. Needs more study, I think. Who are they and what do they believe in? We should find out.

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    4. Nothing nasty about facts.

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  2. " It's all to play for" - these people are too busy smearing Salmond to bother about Scottish independence. The British state broadcaster and mouthpiece of the alphabetties, Reporting Scotland, had this nonsense as it's top report today. It is clearly a threat to Salmond's family - cancel the court case or there will be more of this smearing.

    So who has contacted the polis and why. If he/her/they/them were telling the truth why not go to the polis when they were investigating Salmond previously if you wanted justice. Who knows - alphabetty z? - home address MI5 London.

    That's what happens in a colony when the coloniser controls the media.

    They used to hang draw and quarter leaders of Scottish independence. Then they moved on to killing then by the sword. Next was hanging and being sent to the colonies on the other side of the world as slaves. The modern punishment is sexual assault accusations hounding you to death.

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    1. Wings has an article on it, a good one, and by a total coincidence I've been wondering what this Carlos Alba is all about, because before this Salmond thing I thought his articles were rubbish. Carlos Alba, that is.

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    2. The more and more the SNP (and their pals in Pacific Quay) take the path marked "Other Stuff", the less and less Scotland shall believe they'll ever take us to Independence.

      https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-road-not-taken/

      How far down that road must we go before we turn back? So far, very far indeed. They'll be prosecuting William Wallace next.

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    3. It is the Herald and their “ guest journalist” that is attacking Salmond. The same individual worked on the Record / Sunday Mail? and has close ties with certain Labour MSP’s over the years. They have connections with the BBC in the past. Even pally with Neil Oliver it seems. Did the Police leak the story to the journalist hidden from view in their big tent?

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    4. Anon at 8.00. He did light a fire in a smokeless zone so fair do’s.

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    5. I have encountered a few of the other staff at Carlos Alba Media. Ardent unionists. "Surprise"!

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    6. Yesindyref2 at 12.24 am. I seldom agree with Campbell but he has got this nailed.

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    7. Campbell= libdem/tory= Unionist

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    8. if anyone wants to send me 100K in bitcoin I will tell them all about

      - Salmond felt me up in 1973 while laughing at a racist joke by Alf Garnett

      for an additional 50K I will recall how he also denied the holocaust by saying "how did they get the fuel to burn all those bodies when there was a war on"

      - it was real, in my mind.

      it coulda happened, it mighta happened, are you saying it didn't happen - are you calling me a liar?

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    9. “Some events do take place but are not true; others are, although they never occurred.”
      ― Elie Wiesel

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    10. Anon at 8.52am gets it wrong.

      First of all Carlos Alba has his article in three Sunday papers - Herald on Sunday, Sunday Post, Sunday Mail. Remember Sturgeon gave the Britnat media millions from public funds.

      Second, the SNP are referred to in the article smearing Salmond. It has emerged says Carlos - aye right from Sturgeon's gang. An insider says Carlos - aye right from Sturgeon's gang.

      All these anonymous people smearing. Just how are Ruddick and McCann still in their jobs? Answer they are part of Sturgeon's gang who plotted to send Salmond to jail on fabricated allegations.

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    11. you are the SNP smearer. It suits your ends, doesn't it?

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    12. Anon at 1.30pm. My end is Scottish independence. Your end is keeping people in jobs in the SNP who should not be there. You are the person supporting wrongdoing.

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    13. Ruddick cannae claim she didnae know she was doing wrong as she stated she was worried if it came out she was fishing for allegations/accusers against Salmond. These are the people who should have been preparing for indyref2 instead they were trying to do the polis' job and failed so got people to make up false accusations against Salmond.

      The fact they are still doing it after has Salmond has died is proof of their lowlife character.

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  3. Re. “ Labour figures and Labour-supporting journalists in Scotland were pretty bullish in their belief that she had found an alchemy that would set them up for success against the SNP”: in which case they were entirely delusional. Her budget was trash and was only ever going to hurt her party.

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    1. There are no journalists in the MSM or BBC. Only unionist lickspittles.

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  4. The big question is just how much of the 25k that Sturgeon got for her stint on tv at the election this summer did she have to give to Carlos Alba.

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    1. No, that is not the big question.

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    2. Ok, is the big question how long will it be before Sandy Brindley goes on TV and says she/her/it " wants Salmond to be exhumed and put on trial again. There are not enough successful prosecutions - Salmond is guilty. "

      Brindley is a disgrace.

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    3. Wonder if the (legally anonymous) accusations will come out against all former SNP leaders now, once their faction is deposed? Looking forward to all the women alleging impropriety from Nicola…

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    4. interesting - attack the SNP not the labour journalist and his connections,

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    5. Connections which are all SNP sources.

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  5. I'm trying to remember a similar situation after an election when the winning party slumped so badly so quickly in popularity. Maybe the Spring election 50 years ago? That was fronted up by right-wing Labour leader Harold Wilson, the Sir Starmer of hus day.

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    1. That's a massive overestimate of Starmer. Wilson won four general elections. More than even Tony Blair! He had his flaws for sure, but he towers over everyone in Labour today, and over all the sad little figures now across English politics.

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    2. Just to calibrate: Starmer's down there with Callaghan and Brown, in my view. Liz Truss won him that election, nothing he did. Corbyn would have won it just as easily.

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    3. Starmer won by doing nothing, saying nothing, and not being the tories. And he has been found lacking from the day he was elected. J C would never have won it. The MSM and BBC would have seen to that.@

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  6. The right wing press would have gone in even harder with Corbyn on so many fronts. Pro IRA, pro this and that , anti something else. Corbyns downfall was at the hands of the current Labour Party.
    The right wing just sat back and watched. They have their man in power.

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  7. 2026 is two years away.

    The campaign is going to be about SNP being in "power" for 19 years, not this budget.

    Good news Labour are unpopular too though.

    Reform a worry.

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    1. Yeah it's difficult to combat the "change" narrative when the status quo feels like shit.

      If the SNP don't focus on the change offered via independence then the only other kind of change on offer is a change of Government.

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    2. Stale incumbent SNP vs. stale incumbent Labour. What a choice!

      Reform could do very well indeed, with a forced choice like that.

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    3. Anon at 11.51. Just come out. We know what you are, silly billy boy.

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    4. What's that then? As scunnered with our shitey parties as everyone else?

      The half million who didn't turn out for the SNP in July aren't who you think we are.

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    5. Anon at 4.49. I am one of them, you in the other hand?

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  8. Why? Is majority only ok when it’s a majority in favour of what you want?

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  9. Since it's tomorrow was wondering if you had a US Election prediction James? :)

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    1. Trump’s got it, I think.

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    2. I'm leaning towards Harris.

      There's a lot more woman voters turning out to vote this time, quite a lot of Republicans who have endorsed her and the polling companies have adjusted their metrics since 2020. It's very possible that they've over compensated and are now under estimating her support.

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    3. The herding is really startling, though. Swing state polls shouldn’t be as tight as this, unless the thumb is on the scale.

      Biden very barely won last time. This time the national polls are tighter. I don’t think Harris has quite enough to win the college.

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    4. The polls should be more random, given the inherent random error at their sample size. Yet they’re almost all between 1 point for Harris and 1 point for Trump. Where are all the 3s?

      Even a perfect dead heat should give results of -3, +2, +3 etc. with an occasional true outlier like -8. The swing state polls look as artificial as the excuse “well, can’t be far wrong!”

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    5. Redfield & Wilton are just shameless on this:

      https://substack.com/redirect/4fab83c5-4801-4c9f-808a-269c8b53a45c?j=eyJ1Ijoib3A5ZncifQ.00t2vsRkZRlMzhaai276VKO3Xu-tDsNfENT-v5ymFKM

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  10. Either way Trump and his nutty dangerous friends will claim victory.

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    1. The plan seems to be to throw it to the House of Representatives, which means a republican win (each state gets the same weight, regardless of population for that vote). Needs to be quite close you’d think though.

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    2. They've already been screaming fraud in Pennsylvania. Makes me think they're not that optimistic and want to get the excuses in early.

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    3. Trump was doing that pre-election day in 2016. It's his brand.

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  11. SNP at 29% on the Regional list shows how much the SNP are distrusted now. It should be somewhere between 45 to 50%. That is the legacy of Sturgeon's gang.

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    1. KC - Sturgeon is one of you - a House Jock. So is Swinney.

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    2. Indeed.
      Surely with independence being the settled will of the Scottish people, the SNP should be above 30%.

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    3. And the underminers have assisted.

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    4. No matter how hard you try IFS the SNP are still climbing and will remain Scotland's main party
      You and you're kind have succeeded in destroying this blog and any Alba hopes though, so thanks and well done for that

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    5. Dr Jim at 8.06pm is overjoyed that the SNP " will remain Scotland's main party " and that sums up Jimbo and the rest of the "party people". The rest of us vote for independence not a political party.

      That is exactly what the devolutionalists in the SNP want. Enough votes to keep them as MSPs but insufficient to justify a de facto referendum.

      Funny how Jimbo manages to keep posting on this blog if it is destroyed. Jimbo posting pish. Jimbo also just ignores the massive drop in SNP vote from 2021.

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    6. IFS@9:29,
      You just won’t drop this “de facto “ referendum nonsense will you.
      Dear oh dear, crazy crazy stuff!

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    7. Hell if it ain't an SNP genocidal maniac like Jimbo trolling me its now the turn of the SGP resident House Jock KC at 9.34pm. That's WGD now got two of these genocide supporters - Tatu3 and Dr Jim.

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    8. How on earth does Dr Jim not get kicked out the SNP? I mean he has admitted to regularly assaulting women and supports the Israeli genocide. I know, it's Iain McCann who is in charge of discipline and he has very low standards in terms of acceptable behaviour. I mean in most political parties you would be suspended if you got charged and interviewed by the polis re embezzling party funds and your husband actually got charged. But in the SNP you get flowers. As a comparator James Kelly gets suspended for advocating more democracy in the Alba party. The SNP premises get raided by the polis but the leader and treasurer at the time remain party members. I wonder if Mc Cann knows where the missing ring fenced money is?

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  12. A mighty impressive hit job article by Campbell on Carlos Alba. The they/them character published a long long list of articles back in the day (when with the Daily Record) against clause 28. Perhaps one of them/they was gay and the other straight. Must be a very confusing life to lead. Voices in your head - " let's be straight today - no I want to be gay today. "

    Of course Carlos is smearing Salmond the person who legalised gay marriage. I guess that must be the straight part of they/them.

    Could his nasty smearing be because Salmond used his name for his political party. Or did someone just give him some money? Who could that possibly be? Where did that missing £600 k money go?

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    1. Clarification - Carlos being " against clause 28" should have said against removal of clause 28.

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    2. Commented on hours ago. You add nothing. Do keep up.

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    3. Anon at 3.52pm - one small line - only ten words but three sentences that are meaningless. You must have commented in your own mind.

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    4. The all important "they/them" in Carlos's life being the Security Services.

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    5. Whatever you think of Stuart Campbell, his excoriation of Carlos Alba is a powerful piece.

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    6. Anon at 4.02. You really really don’t get it. Slip ons?

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    7. It appears that IFS cannot count to two. That explains a lot.

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  13. labour announce increase in tuition fees

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    1. To punish students for their "antisemitic" views on the special operations in Lebanon and Gaza.

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  14. No. Just labour and the tories are just greedy sods

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