Thursday, July 14, 2016

Should the SNP's strategy be to dare the UK government to reject a realistic proposal for Scotland to remain in the UK?

Just a passing thought : in the light of Philip Hammond helpfully pushing Scotland towards independence by declaring that it will be impossible for us to remain in both the UK and the EU, I'm wondering if the SNP's strategy should be roughly as follows -

1) With the help of the new body of experts, devise a plan that could at least theoretically lead to Scotland remaining in both the UK and EU.  (It would probably have to go beyond federalism and involve the UK reinventing itself as a loose confederation of sovereign states - because to remain in the EU, Scotland will need at least some control over foreign policy.)

2) Present the proposal to the UK government on a take-it-or-leave-it basis : "You told the people of Scotland that voting No to independence would keep the country in the EU.  This is the only way of honouring that promise.  What's it to be?"

3) After the UK government rejects the proposal, beg them to change their minds.  "Don't force us to leave the UK just to stay in the EU."

4) Once the proposal is rejected for a second time, point out that London has sabotaged any realistic chance of Scotland remaining in the UK, and call an independence referendum.

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What a difference a year makes...

Westminster elite's message to Scottish MPs in 2015 -

"Aw-dah, AW-DAH!  It is a DISCOURTESY to this House for honourable gentlemen and honourable ladies on the Scottish National Party benches to - AW-DAH! - to applaud points they agree with.  They MUST LEARN to instead make deep moaning sounds as if they are simulating an orgy for an audio drama.  AW-DAAAAAH!  That's what NORMAL people do, and if it's good enough for us - AW-DAAAAAAAAAAH! - if it's good enough for us, it's good enough for the honourable gentlemen and honourable ladies on the Scottish National Party benches."

Westminster elite's message to Scottish MPs in 2016 -

"Aw-dah, AW-DAH!  It is DISRESPECTFUL of honourable gentlemen and honourable ladies on the Scottish National Party benches to fail to applaud wildly in this House.  Look, I'm doing it, Jeremy Hunt is doing it, even - AW-DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! - even Liz Kendall is doing it.    You're just spoiling it for everyone."

45 comments:

  1. Boris Gump and the BrexitearsJuly 14, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    Wings Over Scotland ‏@WingsScotland 5 minutes ago

    Brexit Secretary David Davis says UK 'will quit the EU in December 2018'

    http://archive.is/Esd0X

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  2. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 14, 2016 at 3:06 PM

    Revealed: the £17m Holland Park townhouse where David Cameron and his family now live

    EXCLUSIVE: The Cameron family is living at this seven-bedroom Holland Park townhouse owned by Mr Cameron's PR mogul friend Sir Alan Parker

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/revealed-the-17m-holland-park-townhouse-where-david-cameron-and-his-family-now-live-a3295436.html

    "We're all in this together." - The incompetent fop

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 7:54 PM

      Jealousy is a deadly sin.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 14, 2016 at 8:06 PM

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    3. Hey Gutless Glasgow Bone idle arse I thought you wanted a square go hard man. I knew it you are all English piss and wind. Any time Moron.!!!!!

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  3. When you think about it,there is no way BoJo and pals are going to have someone representing Scottish interests sitting in on their negotiations with the EU.
    BoJo tells Juncker (or whoever) "This is what we are going to do".
    Alex Salmond sitting next to him says "Oh no we(Scotland) aren't".
    So,unless we have separate negotiations with the EU,at the same time as BoJo and pals,we will be presented with their solution and told if we don't like it we know what we can do.
    I think we will find out pretty soon in the process whether the EU is serious about retaining Scotland as part of the EU or not and that will have a major say in the outcome.
    All we have to do then is convince the Scottish electorate that breaking up Blighty wasn't our idea and that the deal being offered from Europe is better than sticking with Little England.
    Will HM press allow us to get that message across however?

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  4. Britnats continue to do the most damage to their beoved united kingdom, so-called. Tee hee. It has to be IndyRef2; there's now no other way.

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    1. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 14, 2016 at 4:40 PM

      The twits trapped in the Westminster bubble are struggling to be heard right now above the deafening noise of barrel scraping as Hideaway May's cabinet of third raters is being hastily cobbled together.

      This is going to make John Major's attempts to present a unified front look hilarious.

      They will be longing for the 'calm stability' of Osbrowne's Pasty omnishambles before too long.

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 9:01 PM

      Referendum or nae referendum we Brits will always be Brits. Looking forward to the renewed BRITISH PASSPORT. That will scunner you Nat sis so awa wie ye, go and crawl up Kaiser Merkel's erse.

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    3. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 14, 2016 at 9:15 PM

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    5. Why has this guys post been removed yet you let that tosser GWC post his poison all the time?

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  5. Instead of declaring UDI, go for a reverse UDI.We are not leaving.
    I like it.

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    1. I doubt he's even that, just someone who gets his jollies off by having some sort of interaction with real people, rather than S&M porn.

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    2. Err... that was meant for Paul Wilson, no you mate!

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  6. Glasgow Working Arse will be clapping his hands of we all know that "it" is really a Tory unionist piece of gutless scum.

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    1. The troll reminds me of the worst kind of student politician. The type that screams insults and accusations of fascism whenever an ill-thought-out point is skewered in reasoned debate.

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    2. Don't encourage the prick. He comes on shift in about an hour. Sometimes if you just forget him he goes n plays with himself somewhere else.

      Its just such a pity James doesn't take up our offer of money to migrate to a troll control site..

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    3. A troll free site would be good. If James has a fundraiser in the future I hope he goes for a site that he manage, if not perhaps a few trusted volunteers can help him monitor the site for him.

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    4. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 8:01 PM

      Anon, have you ever attempted reasoned debate. Your reasoned debate is to ignore the will of the people at the ballot box you fash.
      And Marcia typical of you Nat si s to debate only with the mutually agreed society you fash. Good old mutual back slappin.

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    5. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 14, 2016 at 8:05 PM

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    6. also a nazi lover.

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    7. The troll proves my point. Feeble student politics.

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    8. Elgin Unionists' BDSM Club -- Doms Badly NeededJuly 14, 2016 at 10:34 PM

      It's Glasgow Working Class 2! The ultra-Sub himself! The most servile loon ever to lick a jackboot!

      Fitlike, min? When you comin up for another "session"?

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  7. It's a hunch, but I suspect there's a significant overlap between those who complained that declining to applaud Cameron is "classless", and those who think the way Corbyn voted on Iraq is less important than the type of jacket he wears.

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 8:09 PM

      You Nat sis need lessons in common courtesy and good manners. The Nat si MP'S were quite clear why they were not clapping as they were pissed aff wie Cameron for giving us a democratic vote. You Nat sis have a democratic deficit. Bunch a weans.
      weans.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 14, 2016 at 8:21 PM

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  8. Interesting idea.

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  9. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 14, 2016 at 8:07 PM

    Revealed: the £17m Holland Park townhouse where David Cameron and his family now live

    EXCLUSIVE: The Cameron family is living at this seven-bedroom Holland Park townhouse owned by Mr Cameron's PR mogul friend Sir Alan Parker

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/revealed-the-17m-holland-park-townhouse-where-david-cameron-and-his-family-now-live-a3295436.html

    "We're all in this together." - The incompetent fop

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  10. Philip Hammond isn't thwarting anything, more stating the realpolitik of the EU. No-one is opposed to a special deal if it can be arranged... It just appears very difficult.
    The best, or maybe least worst, option for both nationalist and unionist (at least those who like devolution) is to agitate for mini-brexit a.k.a EFTA/Norway and the concurrent transfer of all non reserved powers from Brussels to Holyrood.
    There is a path to tread which - at least for a short while - a clear majority of us can follow.

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 9:22 PM

      The deal should be easy. The Merkelites must drop their insistance on free movement of people and get back to the original trade agreement.
      The EU Parliament and Commission is a gravy train and not required. All that is required is a body to ensure that free trade is fair.
      There you go GWC 2 has saved the world and knickerless does not have crawl.

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 14, 2016 at 9:27 PM

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    3. That was a rather extreme view from gwc2, there was some cohesion with the idea of free movement with free market. There is the off -the-shelf Canada agreement also.
      But the whole thing requires thought, agreement and effort.

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    4. Glasgow Working Class 2July 15, 2016 at 12:26 AM

      It was a view but not extreme. My view was in accordance with the original ECM agreement. TRADE.

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    5. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 15, 2016 at 1:04 AM

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  11. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 14, 2016 at 9:16 PM

    The twits trapped in the Westminster bubble are struggling to be heard right now above the deafening noise of barrel scraping as Hideaway May's cabinet of third raters is being hastily cobbled together.

    This is going to make John Major's attempts to present a unified front look even more hilarious.

    They will be longing for the 'calm stability' of Osbrowne's Pasty omnishambles before too long.

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  12. James' suggestion is fairly close to exactly what is happening right now.

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  13. No half measures full Eu citizenship or indi 2.

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  14. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 10:19 PM

    I can't wait to see your Saltires torn down and replaced with the Union Flag after Brexit. Scotland will truly be put in its place then, subservient to England. That will teach you Nat Si Jock scum.

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    1. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 14, 2016 at 10:26 PM

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    2. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 11:15 PM

      Poor redundant Nat si scraping the barrel. You need education tae get a life constantly choking the bishop gets you no where. Makes ye blind.

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  15. Boris Gump and the BrexitearsJuly 14, 2016 at 10:31 PM

    Sun PoliticsVerified account
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    Theresa May has already spoken to Angela Merkel to warn her the UK won’t be forced out EU

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 14, 2016 at 11:23 PM

      Merkel and Knickerless are idiots who want to let Islamic fascists into Europe. Merkel did the Brits stopped Knickerless the idiot. Scotland saved temporarily!
      Scots will wake up when we get killed on a regular basis like the Frogs and Belgians.

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