Sunday, July 10, 2016

If you ever wondered what Hilary Benn's father would have said about the Labour coup...

So today we learned that, in a display of utter contempt towards both their own party and the democratic process in general, the Labour plotters will attempt to overthrow their elected leader without even giving party members any say at all on whether he should stay or go.  The ultimate 'fix', you might say.  I find it particularly sad that intelligent people like Keiran Pedley are so blinded by their (incorrect) analysis of where Labour's best interests lie that they are acting as enthusiastic cheerleaders for the death of democracy within the party.  Pedley has gone so far as to perversely claim that Labour's system is "broken" because it doesn't allow MP plotters enough of an opportunity to overrule the members!

A couple of nights ago, I happened to stumble across some clips from the mid-90s BBC series Labour : The Wilderness Years, which contains wonderful archive footage of Tony Benn, Michael Foot, Denis Healey, and a number of others.  At one point, Benn recalls the bizarre method used by a trade union baron to try to dissuade him from triggering a democratic election for the deputy leadership in 1981.  (Healey was the incumbent, but had been elected by no-one.)  When he asked for a cup of tea, it was brought to him in a custom-designed mug featuring the words : "Don't Do It, Tony.  Elections Can Be A Poisoned Chalice, Tony."  He kept the mug, but still stood for election.

Benn's reflections on that incident seem eerily appropriate, today of all days...

"It did indicate the very strong tradition of 'fixing'.  Everything's always 'fixed' in the Labour party.  Don't discuss it, 'fix' it.  And I think that's one of the things that's wrong.  The denial of people's right to participate is something that really characterised the Right of the Labour party."

30 comments:

  1. I sincerely hope I never do anything to piss you off, james!

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  2. I sincerely hope I never do anything to piss you off, james!

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  3. Glasgow Working Class 2July 10, 2016 at 9:21 PM

    Hey Scots Nat Sis, know your place. You are incapable of self government and must be ruled. You are after all, our last colony of any worth.

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    1. The poster above is a far-right racist troll from EnglandJuly 10, 2016 at 9:37 PM

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    2. He also sits with his horsehair butt plug up his rectum while writing his poison.

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    3. Really? That's a bona fide comment? I assumed it was just being sarcastically ironic. As this poster may have health issues, I hope we all just ignore it.

      But what a wonderful find regarding Benn! Well done!

      Just when I think the 'Parliamentary Labour Party' can't sink any lower; they do.

      I know lemmings don't actually commit mass suicide by jumping off cliffs, but I think the'L' in the 'PLP' must stand for 'Lemming', not 'Labour'; as that's exactly what Labour MPs are doing, jumping off a cliff 'en masse'.

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  4. Benn senior would surely have been ashamed of his son's dreadful speech in support of bombing Syria. And his conduct in trying to depose Corbyn is a disgrace, he is little more than a Tory.

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  5. It's not a labour coup, it's a Fabian coup. Why don't the Fabians just start their own party for instead of hijacking the Labour party.

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  6. Tony Benn knew North Sea oil could make Scotland the wealthiest country in Europe.He conspired to keep that information away from the Scottish people.How Mhairi Black can think of him as a hero is beyond me.I think of him as a dirty,theiving liar.

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    1. Tony Benn the great Socialist that died leaving £5 million.

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  7. I look forward to those Labour rebels fucking off to form their own centre-right party which will stumble along for a few years before collapsing into the country vicar 'liberalism' of that political titan, Tim Farron.

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    1. Glasgow Working Class 2July 11, 2016 at 1:16 AM

      But not going to the right like the joke Nat sis!

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    2. The poster above is a far-right racist troll

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    3. With a horsehair butt plug in his rectum while he writes his poison

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  8. If Corbyn refuses to go, Labour just need to de-select 172 MPs or kick out 251,417 members.

    Simple when you know how.

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  9. This could all be because Labour secretly wanted to increase their membership subs.

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  10. Glasgow Working Class 2July 11, 2016 at 8:20 AM

    Let's see how you Jock Nat Sis like being a region of Greater England when we become a Federal State.

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    1. Glasgow? Working Class? What happened to 1? Or was it meant to be Too?

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  11. GWC2 has a horsehair butt plug in his rectum when he writes his poison.

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  12. The Chicken ToriesJuly 11, 2016 at 1:01 PM

    The Last of the Leavers drops out. Take back control! No, you take back control. No, you take back control. #Leadsom

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  13. Good job we've got fixed parliaments now. If May went for a GE at this point, it'd be a landslide.

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    1. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 11, 2016 at 1:44 PM

      Hideaway May and her team of Cameroon incompetents were self-evidently terrified of letting May anywhere near a campaign with the tiny tory member selectorate.

      So do you seriously think even this staggeringly inept establishment are keen to let the wider electorate have a say after the Cameroons Brexit catastrophe?

      LOL

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    2. Maybe you're right and they wouldn't have the balls to call an election anyway. But if they did, they'd win easily. What are people going to do, vote Labour? UKIP and the LDs would probably get some kind of boost, but they're starting from too low a base to get anywhere.

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    3. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 11, 2016 at 2:29 PM

      "But if they did, they'd win easily"

      Yeah, I hate to point it out but we heard far too much of that kind of 'certainty' during the EU ref campaign when some of us always warned it was real dumb.

      You think anyone is totally relying on polls at this point? On betting? Nah. Truth is nobody could be certain of what happens during a GE campaign and it is still not a presidential system. Westminster leadership incompetence only counts for so much.

      Though it is pretty fucking obvious that the chicken tories stuck in the westmisnter bubble pretending there are no brexiteers in the tory party still haven't a clue what the electoral map actually looks like. Not when so many of their own party and voters have now watched a remainer plonked into number 10 without a vote. Those chicken tories thinking the Kippers are Labour's problem now are guilty of hilariously wishful thinking. As they soon shall see.

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    4. Yeah, I hate to point it out but we heard far too much of that kind of 'certainty' during the EU ref campaign when some of us always warned it was real dumb.

      You didn't hear any of it from me - or during the indyref, when certain others on this site were predicting 60% Yes.

      Of course, we can't really make any predictions with certainty. There's always the danger of "events". So I'll take it back, and just say that a GE at this point would make a large Tory majority highly likely.

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    5. Bumblefuck tories for unityJuly 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM

      "a GE at this point would make a large Tory majority highly likely."

      Your welcome to your opinion of course but I'd gently point out that before the Blairite ChickenCoup the tories and Labour were level pegging While 'safe pair of hands' May's track record is incompetence personified.

      A tory majority is probably likely as things stand right now but IMHO not a huge one and absolutely not one to banish all that 'divisive' Brexit talk unless May starts channeling John Major's amusingly futile attitude to tories and EU splits.

      It's also safe to say that the Eagle's 'launch' today has been, how can we put it most kindly? A fucking laugh riot? :D
      Yeah, that about sums it up. The incompetent Blairite plotters can't keep this up indefinitely remember. (though to be fair the longer they do keep up the comedy the better it makes Corbyn look and the more new members the odious Blairites attract to Labour to oppose them)

      Sooner or later the ChickenCoup attempt ends.

      If Angela Eagle is seriously their 'bird in the hand' then it's going to be sooner.

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  14. Jesus Christ.

    https://twitter.com/conor_mcnally/status/752468677950337024

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  15. Hilary Benn,acts like he thinks,he is entitled to what his father earned.

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