Thursday, March 7, 2024

Are the Tories handing three north-east seats to the SNP on a silver plate?

In spite of the SNP landslide in 2019, in spite of the Tories losing more than half their Scottish seats, the SNP were nevertheless unable to regain three Tory seats in the north-east.  Two of those were former SNP heartlands which they used to win even when they were losing almost everywhere else in Scotland.  Banff & Buchan actually bucked the national trend in 2019 by showing a small swing from SNP to Tory. However, it's now possible that the fortunes will flip and the SNP could take the north-east seats back even if they have a grim result nationally.

Just as a rough guide, I had a look at the seats projection from YouGov's latest Scottish subsample, which is on the unfavourable side for the SNP, showing Labour five points ahead. That would see the SNP lose their majority and be reduced to 22 seats - but they would still gain the boundary-revised seats of Aberdeenshire North & Moray East, Aberdeenshire West & Kincardine and Gordon & Buchan from the Tories.  And that's before you take into account the effect of local factors.

A few weeks ago, I wondered if the SNP were getting into dangerous territory by opposing Labour's windfall tax proposals and thus giving Labour a free run to pose as Robin Hood.  But we started to see the upside of the SNP strategy with the now-famous P&J front page depicting senior Labour politicians as "Traitors" over the windfall tax, and the SNP painted in a more positive light.  And now Christmas has come early, with Douglas Ross helpfully identifying for voters that the Tory Budget is an attack on the north-east due to the windfall tax extension, and with Jeremy Hunt even more helpfully volunteering in a live BBC interview that the "Scottish oil and gas industry" is one of the two main losers from the Budget.

If Ross thinks the voters will give "the Scottish Tories" credit at the general election for standing up to their colleagues in London, he's mistaken.  Voters will not see any Scottish Tories on the ballot paper, merely candidates representing the UK Tory government.  If they want to hit out against the treatment of the north-east, they're obviously not going to vote Tory or Labour, and it's the SNP that leap out as the most likely beneficiaries.

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It's fair to say it's been a mixed few days for my own party Alba, with several high-profile departures balanced out by two high-profile new recruits.  And because the second of those new members is Karl Rosie, an elected local councillor in Highland who left the SNP three weeks ago, it's arguable that this week's balance sheet is now actually positive for Alba.  That said, Eva Comrie is still a big loss for the party, and I know several Alba members who think an absolute priority for the leadership should be to do whatever it takes to persuade her to rejoin.

Alba now have five elected representatives across the three tiers of government - two MPs (Neale Hanvey and Kenny MacAskill), one MSP (Ash Regan) and two local councillors (Chris Cullen and Karl Rosie).  In that sense, Scottish politics has become a six-party system, at least for now, although obviously Alba will have to start making electoral breakthroughs if they're going to maintain that state of affairs.

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39 comments:

  1. "Are the Tories handing three north-east seats to the SNP on a silver plate?"

    Maybe they are. But with this "Vote SNP to kick the Tories out" of a, to some, totally irrelevant prehistoric parliament, they might gain 3 seats from the Tories and lose 23 or even 33 others because of not bothering about Independence, supposedly being the previous party of independence.

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    1. Back on the day after indyref, when I'd soothed my sorrows and took a good look through the numbers, I did notice the disconnect between areas of solid SNP support—the North East and Banff & Buchan in particular—and votes for Independence. I'd assumed the two would be more in sync. When Clackmannanshire announced the first result of the night, I checked my figures and reckoned we were shafted, going by where it ranked for SNP votes nationally. I was right that we were going to lose, but my method didn't survive the night. The SNP heartlands were voting No while Labour's surviving fiefdoms in the western central belt were voting Yes.

      I think that schism has haunted the SNP ever since. Every party loves its base vote. The SNP's just didn't follow them to independence. The party had a choice: embrace Yes voters as its new base and target policy to them relentlessly, or tone down the indy offer and remain in their traditional comfort zone.

      The fact the SNP duly lost the North East, even while back-pedalling on independence in 2017, must have been excruciating. Counter-intuitive results like that can easily lead you to double down on bad strategy.

      I think their leadership has deeper problems than just this (*cough* compromised *cough*) but it's part of the post-indyref picture for all of us.

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    2. Oh yes, I can certainly remember fuming anonymous "senior SNP figures" being quoted in newspapers after the 2017 election ludicrously suggesting that the loss of three heartland seats that had been held since 1987 outweighed the winning of 60% of seats across Scotland, and that independence needed to be put on the backburner as a result. It never made any sense, but people fell prey to that sort of faulty thinking.

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    3. Interesting article by James and the anon comment at 12.17pm.

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    4. Clackmannanshire was a bit of a shocker, and I thought "It's not going to be every constituency like it was for devolution".

      Then some other result NO, and then Na h-Eileanan an Iar a NO and I knew it was all over. Even Dundee where I'd driven through to was 57% YES instead of 75%. My own local area as expected, was 75% NO it turned out. At least I wasn't there at the time.

      Days :-(

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    5. I didn't bother staying sober enough to process numbers by the time Edinburgh's brutal result came in. Fun fact: almost exactly the same number of No votes here as Glasgow's votes for Yes, and the biggest in all of Scotland.

      In all: we lost by 10.6 points. Not a thumping, but not a near-miss, either. The turnout was magnificent, so we surely got our vote out. We just didn't change enough minds. It was a tall task that we gave our all to, and though we didn't win, we changed Scotland forever.

      The lesson I took from Indyref was that we had to try again, when conditions moved our way. Say England did something mad like leave Europe, or Boris Johnson ever became prime minister. Ha! 2014 was a fantastic base to build from.

      The lesson that history may take from Indyref was that we tried *just* too early, and that Alex Salmond should never have resigned for his accomplishment. Reality soon threw us Brexit and all the rest of it for a fantastic lift to Yes, but without an interested leader, we aren't getting independence.

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    6. But we all made Independence mainstream, rather than the domain of us few nutters huddled in a corner.

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    7. And we'll do it again, if we ever get the bloody chance.

      Oh, why are we waiting?
      You should be negotiating!

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    8. Replying to yesindyref2

      Dundee (where I stay) was always over-estimated in its Yes vote. Yes supporters have always been keener here to show their support publicly than quieter (in general) No folk. Again in general, Dundee is a place of a visible part (the football clubs, universities, visitor attractions, drunks, FE college, schemes, council and its facilities etc. & in no particular order) and a hidden world where residents do their own thing unnoticed, for instance self-employed people and small businesses unknown to the local Chamber of Commerce or any local business networking events.

      My anecdotal view is that “hidden Dundee” voted No in large part.

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  2. " The Scottish oil and gas industry is one of the two main losers from the budget" More evidence that Scotland is a colony. They know they can just take our resources, penalise jobs in Scotland at the same time and be brazen about it because there is no democracy in Scotland that can stop it. All we have got is the damp squid of a silly wee shouting of nooooo in the House of Horrors to delay Starmer speaking. It wasn't even shown on TV or even mentioned in the news programmes this had happened and nearly everybody new nothing about it. If that is the new SNP policy of resistance - standing up for Scotland - pathetic. But a WGD numpty thought this was a major protest (action ) by the SNP. Jeez some people are happy with really really thin gruel.

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    1. Thin gruel? Ah, but look at them all. They're all so chubby and hale! They'll aye grow up to be a guid strong bunch, our House Jocks. Whatever they're feeding them must be awfy rich.

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    2. IfS: Great post with some fair points.

      However, with Tories and Labour missteps, its only right to point out that Humza-led SNP emerges as the clear choice for voters disillusioned with the UK government's policies, particularly on the windfall tax.

      Alba's struggle for relevance, despite recent gains, underscores the SNP's dominance.

      This political landscape amplifies SNP's appeal, highlighting their adept manoeuvring and the comparative ineffectiveness of Conservative and Alba strategies in resonating with Scottish voters' concerns.

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    3. Scotland now has its own Parliament, making important decisions for Scots. The Scottish National Party (SNP) fights for Scotland's interests both in Scotland and in the UK Parliament. Saying Scotland has no power isn't true. Actions by SNP in Parliament are part of their strategy to stand up for Scotland. It's not fair to call these efforts weak. The debate about Scotland's future is important, but we should remember the powers and support Scotland already has, and the SNP's track-record in leveraging them for the common good.

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    4. Dear Mr Robot at 5.56pm who is working you? Is it Murray Foote or the Russians?

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  3. 'Alba now have five elected representatives across the three tiers of government...' But not one of them elected on an Alba ticket, and very little sign that any Alba candidate is going to win a ballot at any level of government any time soon.

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    1. Depends what you mean by "any time soon". It was always obvious that the next major opportunity is Holyrood 2026 - everything until then will be first-past-the-post or de facto AV.

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    2. Different anon here. What do you mean "de facto AV"?

      Just looked up the council election timetable—as they use another system again: STV—but they're not due till 2027. I happen to think STV is by far the best system we use and should be taken up in Holyrood but that's a whole other topic.

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    3. De facto AV is the system used for local council by-elections. It's technically the same STV system used for local council elections, but as soon as you only have one candidate being elected, STV ceases to be a proportional system and functions indistinguishably from AV.

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    4. Understood.

      Alba, and small parties generally, need more proportionality to have much of a chance.

      A larger "district magnitude" as I've heard it called: how many representatives a given electorate elects: 3 or 4 for STV council elections, 8 for Holyrood and a measly 1 for FTTP. That number is why Holyrood has the lowest effective barrier to minor parties like the SSP. The more members your ballot can elect, the merrier.

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  4. I think the SNP will have a real chance of taking these 3 NE seats from the Tories. I also feel the SNP will do better nationwide than polls are predicting, as a lot of people are underwhelmed by Starmer and Labour.
    Here’s hoping, as we need a strong SNP. I think we could be seeing the beginning of a real change in their fortunes.

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    1. Growing into the role, sureness of touch, we can all agree, etc, etc.

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    2. There's more than one SNP-hopeful still out there, I’m sure… we can all agree…

      As much as I'd like to see them snatch the north east back from the tories, I do fear the party will take exactly the wrong lesson from it yet again. No Indy please, we're "Not-Nationalists".

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  5. James:

    The SNP looks good here because they are seen to care more about Scotland's needs than any of the other parties.

    The Conservatives didn't do well in protecting local interests in the North East.

    Alba is trying but not there.

    The SNP really is the last party standing for people upset with the UK government's choices, especially on taxes affecting Scotland.

    Even with Alba getting some new members, the SNP still leads it by a very large margin.

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    1. Drill, baby, drill? Aren't the SNP into CO2 and saving the planet now?

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  6. As to whether Scotland is now a new six-party system, with Alba as one of the six, it's probably only fair to point out that Alba hasn't really earned its spot yet as a major player in Scottish politics. The people in positions of elected office that are mentioned were in many cases originally not elected as members of Alba. They just switched sides. So, saying there's a new six-party system because of Alba is a bit of a stretch. They need to win a lot more elections as Alba before we can say that they have truly broken the mould of Scottish politics once and for all.

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    1. In the House of Commons, Scottish politics is a five-party system, and Alba is one of the five. It has as many seats as Labour, while the Greens have zero.

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    2. @6:58: Strange but currently true! Expect a sea change in the coming election, though.

      @6:19: Correction: *no* Alba candidate has yet won any elected office. 100% of Alba's representation are converts.

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  7. Alba's 2026 slate of candidates almost looks filled now.

    Central Scotland: Kenny Macaskill?
    Glasgow: ?
    Highlands and Islands: Karl Rosie
    Lothian: Ash Regan
    Mid Scotland and Fife: Neale Hanvey
    North East Scotland: Alex Salmond
    South Scotland: Chris Cullen
    West Scotland: Chris McEleny?

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    1. Kenny's moved from Lothian to Central? I get why he's not running in his WM seat's geographic location—South of Scotland—because it's going to be a hard nut to crack. But I'd like my second chance to vote for him here in Edinburgh.

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    2. The whole thing's speculative, but I've previously pointed this out: Regan being an incumbent MSP from the Lothian region means she's probably going to bump MacAskill - especially as he will likely have no longer been a MP for at least one and a half years by the time 2026's election rolls around, even if he retains deputy leadership.

      Unless he settles for second rank on Alba's Lothian list, he's going to have to move somewhere else. With Cullen in the South, that leaves Central Scotland as his next best option.

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    3. Why would you automatically assume MacAskill will want to stand again in 2026? He may do, he may not, he's at the sort of age where it's borderline. I'm also not convinced that being an elected councillor directly propels anyone to top spot. It puts them in the conversation for top spot, but no more than that.

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    4. By the way, you've left out Tasmina. She's one of the holy trinity, so it's inconceivable she won't have a plum spot somewhere.

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    5. Holy Trinity. LOL. I presume on that analogy Salmond is the Father, McEleny is the Son, and Ahmed-Sheikh is the Holy Ghost.

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    6. Is that official?

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  8. Hillhead by election (Glasgow City Council) 07/03/2024.
    Final result:-

    Green GAIN from Labour.

    Something of a coincidence, but this ward is within George Galloway's old Glasgow Kelvin Westminster constituency.

    According one source in my former party, most had been of the opinion that retaining this seat would have been a "mere formality".

    Suggestions are that Labour recieved a lot of tactical Tory votes in the early stage, with the SNP votes transferring heavily to Green in the later stages, but I'm sure James will be able to give a more coherent analysis than I can here.

    Regards, Mike.

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  9. I really appreciate your impartiality, James. I'm also on the fence. Alba has my ideals but I don't see them getting anywhere any time soon. Why should I defect?

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    1. I would hope over the coming year or two Alba will transform itself into a genuinely member-led party, and then one big incentive for people to join will be to have a say in shaping policy that they wouldn't have as members of the SNP.

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    2. An empowering experience.

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  10. No they aren't James! The SNP is now an anti Indy Wokist Party. Many former Nats will not vote for them now.

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