Sunday, September 6, 2015

Sinister Survation survey suggests Scotland may need to leave the UK to stay in the EU

Survation poll (Britain-wide) :

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain 40%
Leave 43%

I'm still on holiday, so analysis to follow when I have a spare minute...

117 comments:

  1. But by leaving out the 3% living in Northern Ireland, we don't really get the full picture.

    With the requirement in the Good Friday agreement for a UK/Republic of Ireland referendum in Northern Ireland if UK leaves EU, things could be rather more interesting than NI politics appears normally.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM

      It was called the Belfast Agreement. Do try and get history right.

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    2. Where precisely is that written? I don't see it.

      http://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IE%20GB_980410_Northern%20Ireland%20Agreement.pdf

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    3. Troll spouting nonsense again.

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    4. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 12:39 AM

      I have the circulated copy of the agreement. It was the Belfast agreement although the religious lot called it the Good Friday Agreement. The pretend socialist (loose terms) Martin Muck Guinness always refers to it as the good friday agreement.

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    5. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 12:50 AM

      And for the excuse for a prick Anonymous the agreement was negotiated in Hillsborough Castle outside Belfast. So therefore you cannot trust anything Anonymous says.

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  2. Cameron has offended the very people he is trying to cut a deal with on immigration by refusing to be part of any EU quota for refugees.
    The French and in particular the Germans are not amused.
    Things are not looking good for him and his no change agenda.


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    1. The incompetent fop's stupidity goes far, far deeper than that. I can't remember a tory 'master strategy' so obviously destined to fail and backfire since Cameron and Osborne thought they could somehow outkip the kippers for the EU elections.

      Cameron's chumocracy are still so wildly out of touch - even with those in their own party - that they don't seem to have grasped that this is Cameron's referendum and he's going to have to persuade the public to remain IN Europe, EU immigration included.

      Yet Cameron looks utterly incapable of even persuading a majority of those those in his own party that Europe and EU immigration are worth voting for.

      The fact is no amount of posturing or weasel words from Cameron will deflect the fact that the EU referendum will be dominated by immigration. EU immigration and freedom of movement in the EU is precisely what he will be asking people to vote for and something Cameron will have no choice whatsoever but to make a positive case for.

      Yet all he is doing right now is trying (and failing) to appease the worst of the nasty party fruitcakes and racists while giving the OUT campaign a mountain of ammunition and examples of Cameron's own hypocrisy which they will never tire of using against him during the referendum campaign.

      TBF, it isn't just that Cameron's chumocracy are idiots, it is also a measure of just how weak Cameron is.

      Bear in mind some 27 or so of his own MPs only just told him to piss off when it came to the Cameron and Osbrowne purdah 'master strategy' for the referendum.

      So with Cameron having a smaller majority than Major it doesn't take much for the headbangers on the tory backbenches to force him into humiliation after humiliation. Which they will.

      So as astonishing as the spectacle of the odious Blairites and the Labour purge is, everything points to the inevitable nasty party civil war over Europe being just as jawdropping and likely even more bitter and long lasting in it's effects.

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    2. France is not in a position to lecture the UK on migration.

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    3. And the incompetent fop is? Hardly.

      Even someone as repulsive and dumb as Farage will find it laughably easy to skewer Cameron on his many moronic immigration pledges and promises that were as worthless as his Lisbon posturing.

      For that matter the Eurosceptics in his own party will roast him alive since they have long, long memories and have been waiting for just this chance to put a stop to the Cameroons attempts to force the tory party into a pro-Europe pro-EU immigration position.

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    4. Whatever your stance, Cameron's negotiating tactics on Europe have been laughable. If he's seen to be kowtowing to the EU (Especially on immigration matters), he will lose support for remaining in the EU, but at the same time he needs to do a little kowtowing if his "renegotiation" will gambit will pay off. It's going to be quite some spectacle.

      This is why I think that Labour needs to get its act together. It's no good voting Corbyn as leader and writing off the next election as something we won't be able to win anyway. We could well end up seeing the Tories falling into scenes of acrimony and infighting over Europe. Under those circumstances, we need a Labour leader who can at least appeal to a sufficiently wide section of the electorate to effectively capitalise on Tory disarray.

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    5. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 1:02 AM

      Stoat. We have no record of Camerons negotiating stance so you are talking shite. You must be a Thick Nat si.

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    6. I was a campaigner for Better Together. I'm currently a campaigner for Labour. And you're one thick imbecile.

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  3. God, what irony if NI voted to stay in the EU with the Republic of Ireland, and that section of voters, the terrified, lardy arses, in Scotland sort of wanted to stay in the EU but were scared of not being with England, even though it is Tory most of the time.

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  4. Suspect Scotland would vote to stay, just possibly by a small margin. EU is painted as BAAADDD. The EU is by no means perfect and needs serious overhaul, but to be out of it with a rabidly vicious, right wing regime ie, ukok, we would surely be at risk of losing any notion of human rights, any notion of protection for the vulnerable and disabled and Scotland can wave bye bye to any notion of Independence. It would be back to victorian times and the workhouse would become a reality, again. Scary stuff, and er are they gonna tell folks that once they leave it will be nigh on impossible to rejoin? Would the ex pats in EU countries have to return to ukok?

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  5. Scottish social attitudes survey to EU, 5 options: leave, less EU power, status quo, more EU power, single euro state. If you group 'leave' and less power and exclude dont knows you get 62%.

    Versus 38% for as-is or more power to EU.

    Scotland is barely more Europhilic than rUK.

    I cannot imagine how angry I would be to win independence only to see our sovereignty eroded away again. If Europe worked the way it was origininally envisioned, it would be a no-brainer to stay in. But it isn't. And you don't need to be a UKIP voting Mail reader to say it either. Its a bloody car crash. From the incompetence and indecision over helping refugees to the threatened overruling on alcohol MPU, putting trade before public health. Yes, the EU has done great things, but it is heading in the wrong direction. Far too many cases of beaurocrats stepping on the toes of properly elected democratic government decisions, and too often the result is to empower businesses and disempower you and I the voter.

    The Europe I want Scotland to be part of is, unfortunately, not the Europe that exists in 2015.

    We are working hard to solve the democratic shortcomings of being outnumbered by 10 to 1.

    An "ever-closer" Union with Europe will simply see us becoming outnumbered 100 to 1 instead!

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    1. What you UKIPers fail to acknowledge,is that an independent Scotland could leave if it so wished. As it stands, we are tied to whatever England decides to do.

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    2. If you add up the 'Scottish Independence' and 'Increased Scottish devolution' in the SSAS you get 84% excluding DKs.

      http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-you-vote-in-the-referendum-if-there-were-three-options#table

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    3. "Scottish social attitudes survey to EU, 5 options: leave, less EU power, status quo, more EU power, single euro state. If you group 'leave' and less power and exclude dont knows you get 62%."

      Note this is data for what Scots think of Britain being in the EU, not an independent Scotland. These are two different things.

      I'm with Juteman; the decision should be Scotland's alone.

      As a fan of Norway, I'm quite prepared to vote to leave, although in Dave's ref I shall be voting 'stay' if simply because that's the opposite of what Farage wants :-)

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    4. @ Juteman

      That opinion is not a UKIP position. I know several members of my branch who share that view. I am neutral for UK, pro for Scotland, but hope the SNP don't ask us to campaign for Yes, as I don't know if that is in the best interest of a Scotland which I expect to become Independent soon, but cannot guarantee.

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    5. Why I think Europe is such a trap for the SNP is that a major reason for people voting Yes was governance. Decisions affecting Scotland should be made in Scotland.

      its James' blog so he rightly can say what he likes but if the Scottish indy camp are perceived as being unreservedly pro-EU (calling Out poll leads "sinister", for example), without explaining what the EU has done to earn such loyalty from Scotland, we risk appearing confused, inconsistent or hypocritical.

      We already face persuasive counter arguments on currency and economy. If we shoot ourselves in the foot on the fundamental principle that decisions affecting Scotland should be made in Scotland, it will set us back a long way.

      I hope the SNP stay on the fence on Europe for now or at least do a better job of explaining why jumping out of the frying pan into the fire will leave Scotland better off.

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  6. Hi!

    I am from Eindhoevn, and YES I do support PSB Eindhoven.

    Ach Ja.

    Go for your Independence Scotland! It will be good fun.

    Ach So...

    Timecop 1983

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    1. This is my favourite post ever.

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  7. @Scottish_Skier + Juteman

    "I'm with Juteman; the decision should be Scotland's alone."

    Precisely.

    Something that will be the easiest sell in the world to the scottish public amidst the vicious nasty party infighting and outright kipper lunacy and racism of the Europe referendum campaign.

    We'll just point to the spectacle of the red faced Farage and even more red faced Cameron trying to outdo each other on immigration rhetoric and simply ask Scottish voters..

    "Do you want those clowns or the Scottish people to decide if Scotland's future relationship with Europe?"

    Not really the toughest of choices if we're being honest. :-D LOL

    We also have the disctinct advantage of keeping well away from the more toxic of the unionist parties since they are, happily, somewhat unlikely to want to endorse Nicola's position of Scotland deciding it's own future rather than being possibly dragged out against our wishes.

    Incidently, for those who somehow missed the EU elections the bullshit about Scotland having the same views on the EU as the England simply doesn't wash as will also be abundantly clear come the referendum campaign.

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  8. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 6, 2015 at 9:52 PM

    Guten abend herr Anonymous I am Angela from the 4th Reich and wir mochten you Shottlanders to fuck the English. We tried twice but with your help and knowing your hatred and utter contempt for the Tommy we can bwing dem tae their knees.
    Ve vill of course give you preferential euro rates. Give my regards tae frau Nicola.

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  9. In a shocking turn of events, witless Pouter troll James McGibbon proves yet again he is a racist kipper twat.

    LOL

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM

      Porky that was not very funny. Do you enjoy fuckin pigs?

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    2. Is there some part of, 'Piss you racist kipper twat', you still don't grasp McGibbon?

      Or are you just a wee bit too dolly dimple to understand why we always laugh at you?

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    3. I admit quite freely to being pished, unlike Funky McG

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  10. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 6, 2015 at 10:32 PM

    Porky you Nat sis are the racists. All the Nat si speeches are logged for posterity. Just because you have done a bit of PR lately has not expunged yer past. You may con the young with your stupid Tory failed education policies but us oldies have heard everthing you scumbags have said in the past.

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    1. So you're obviously just pished out of your tiny mind McGibbon. As usual.

      Did ye have too many shandys at the orange club again ya daft wee twatty bigot.

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  11. Ahhh good to see McGibbon is up to his usual low standard.

    Still wearing support stockings and a bra, ya divot?

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 6, 2015 at 11:03 PM

      Must have forgotten to close the curtains. You Nat sis are everwhere.

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  12. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 6, 2015 at 10:56 PM

    Good comment Porky do carry on. ALL Nat si comments are recorded in order of stupidity.

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    1. Leave now troll.

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    2. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 10:44 AM

      Thanks for replying, Anonymous, there's nothing I hate more than being ignored by you Nat si scum. Do carry on Nat si scum.

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    3. Then leave troll and never come back.

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  13. If this is who I think it is, and I'm pretty sure it is (he's not that clever really), there is domestic violence associated with him. It won't take much of a stretch of the imagination to note that he is a woman hater as well as an angry bitter self loathing bigot.

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  14. Anyone watching the trial of Alistair Carmichael for high crimes against the SNP?

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    1. In the works of limp bizkit, 'keep on trolling, trolling, trolling'

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  15. Aldo listen to yourself you completely failed troll...you can't even do that well. Noe run slong to your mummy. Cbeebies is on.

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  16. So the difference between the uber-cosmopolitan scottish left-leaning public and the hard-right english populace when it comes to the eu is actually indistinguishable due to the margin of error. It's 50/50 in both places. It's actually interesting that YES voters were more inclined to flip Europe the bird.

    Anyways, we agreed last year, leaving the UK is leaving the EU anyways.

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    1. Another troll!!!! Where do they come from?

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  17. Judging from your reaction, not completely failed ;0)

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    1. Here comes the troll.....

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  18. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    UN figures are out. Scotland at the top of list in violent and sexual offences. Scottish police say it is the way the figures are compiled! Help ma boab. How long have the Nat sis been in power.
    Must be the English to blame.

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    1. Lol, are they down on previous years? Any thing on Labour's record is am improvement. Idiot troll.

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    2. We're at the top of a UN list for violent crime and you bring labour into it (out of power for 8 years).

      Will the nationalists ever take responsibility for anything?

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    3. HA, I've just spotted I've taken the bait on this one. I should have read that properly but I was getting back from work, unlike you two tubes.

      A UN report and Scotland is on the top ? OH REALLY. Against nations like India where Rape is legal? Or Somalia where financial payment to the family of the victim gets you off the hook?

      The pair of you can go f##k yourselves! You will do anything you can to put Scotland/SNP down. Even though the real figures showing excellent performance are there.

      So I will say it again, go back to whatever you came from TROLL.

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    4. As expected, excuses excuses mixed with a generous helping of bile and venom.

      The nationalists are morally and intellectually bankrupt and have failed in government.

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    5. Haha, again missing the point of my comment. You are clearly of low intelligence and narrow in the mind.

      Excuses for what, a made up comment?

      Go away troll.

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    6. Wrong UN report, I think this stems from a poorly researched Daily Record article from 2 days ago that refers to

      https://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr2015/World_Drug_Report_2015.pdf

      Scotland is only mentioned once in the 175 page report when referring to drug mortality rates. I can only think the DR either tried to compare differently modelled stats or just made it up!

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  19. I'd have expected some acknowledgment from this site regarding Scotland's trial of the century. I mean,this is kind of like our version of OJ Simpson!

    But no mention whatsoever. Weird! :0)

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    1. I refer you to the last sentence on his blog, he's on holiday....

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    2. SNP already have 56/59 seats. Another one? Well, if it's in the offing, but otherwise...

      I'm more concerned about this:

      http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/industrials/article4549244.ece

      George Osborne’s much-vaunted “march of the makers” has ground to a halt, as figures reveal shrinking manufacturing output and orders and prospects for growth in the sector more than halved.

      In a hard-hitting snapshot of the state of industry, the association representing Britain’s manufacturers has painted an uncharacteristically doom-laden picture.

      In its quarterly outlook survey, the EEF talks of the Chinese crisis adding to a “rollercoaster of risks” confronting exporters already struggling to cope with the effects of the falling crude price and of moribund activity in Europe, Britain’s biggest export market. Among the more gloomy elements in the EEF’s report are:

      •All major survey indicators down on the last quarter;
      •Output and orders have turned negative and output and export orders have fallen to their lowest levels since the depths of the recession in 2009;
      •Domestic demand is in negative territory for a second consecutive quarter;
      •Confidence for the year ahead in recruitment and investment intentions is down.


      Unemployment on the rise in England too.

      TBH, I didn't expect the damage of a Tory majority to kick in quite so soon.

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    3. Tbh, I don't think the Tories could be blamed for all of that. (I am in NO WAY a Tory sympathiser).

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    4. Although, can someone explain to me why exports would be down on falling crude prices? I don't get it, surely production costs reduce, increasing competitiveness?

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    5. Sure, Maggie then Tony + Gordo carry the can too.

      However, with the Tories withdrawing tens of billions from the economy in cuts and slashing welfare, you can expect consumer demand to drop markedly. This is obvious; less money circulating and with increasingly little safety net, even those with disposable income will start putting it away rather than spending as they worry what will happen if they get into financial trouble. This of course feeds back into the economy and the vicious circle continues.

      This isn't going to be like the 80's where at least one part of the UK was made to feel rich (SE England). For a public asset fire sale temporary feeling of wealth you need stuff to sell. Oil price also low, so little free Scottish money to spend down South.

      Throw in the uncertainty for business over the EU ref and our Tory Britain is going to be a dark place.

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    6. The last period of tory government saw Britain grow from sick man of Europe to modern, dynamic, booming economy. Their current period of government has seen us travel from a Greek-like situation to growing economy and falling deficit. As for inflation - almost zero.

      The left screw up the economy and the tories come in and fix it. That's like one of life's absolutes - like death and taxes.

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    7. No sign of it being fixed Aldo; unemployment is rising in England, demand falling, exports falling (even with a low oil price) and we're just only just into a Tory majority.

      How could consumers and businesses have confidence in that? Soon as the Tories got a majority, my SME started preparing for a downturn. The EU ref alone presents a big threat to business.

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    8. Okay, interesting stuff Scot Ski.

      ALDO, no respect for you any more, beat it.

      What about my question around low crude oil price causing falling exports???

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    9. Lack of manufacturing and no focus on this from the Tories (nor Nu Lab I might add). Scotland has been bucking the trend here of late:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-30982041

      While increased North Sea production has been boosting UK growth, even in the current price downturn:

      https://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/4099/increased-north-sea-oil-and-gas-production-boosts-uk-economic-growth/

      I'm no expert, but consumer confidence ain't going to last with the Tories in charge (you'd better get saving [not spending] because if you fall on hard times, you are on your own). That hits business confidence. Add in the billions the Tories are removing from the economy (cuts) and the EUref uncertainty... and well, doesn't make for good times.

      Hell I may yet be proven wrong however this is very different to the 80's-90's where the Tories created a temporary sense of wealth (for the SE at least) by just flogging everything and binging on oil revenues. There's nothing really left to sell (apart from the NHS) and well, oil will remain low for a while based on where we are in the current cycle.

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    10. So, no answer to my question re link between Crude oil and export slow down?
      I just can't see how there is a link.

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    11. If the UK was an exporter of oil, you might look for one. It's a net importer and has been for a long time now. Low oil prices should benefit the bulk of the UK economy due to lower costs to manufacturers / exporters.

      http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/10/oil-price-fall-boost-britain-economic-growth-niesr-gdp

      Oil price fall will boost Britain's economic growth, says thinktank

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11337363/Britain-to-reap-economic-windfall-from-oils-death-spiral.html

      Britain to reap economic windfall from oil's death spiral

      Not happening it seems.

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    12. So is this just this organisation clutching at straws for answers to their predictions?

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    13. Which one? I quoted two. Here's another back in March.

      http://www.edp24.co.uk/business/jobs_boost_linked_to_low_oil_price_says_pwc_1_3984317

      And another:

      http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/oil-price-plunge-boost-uk-economy-2015-fuel-food-costs-tumble-1484044

      If that's what you are meaning.

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  20. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 7:37 PM

    The Nat sis are in denial about almost everything. Violence, Education, Defense, Currency, policing.... And Sillars says they fucked up in the referendum because they had no plan B. Pure incompetents and wasters. They never had a plan A. Just a vile bunch of English haters.

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    1. Ah, here comes the troll. Adding nothing of substance or relevance, making it up as he/she comes along.

      A true loser.

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    2. How did you feel when you read the latest poll and saw 55% for Independence, you pathetic little ponce?

      Did you kick your wee dug or beat the nearest female?

      You are nothing more than a fucking ass-wipe.


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    3. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 10:45 PM

      Ur ye up tae a square go knob?

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    4. I only fight men, pal.

      You don't qualify ya nonce.

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    5. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 12:06 AM

      Shitbag ye must be a Gorbals Cumbie.

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    6. You are nothing but a wee Fanny, pal.

      You couldnae scare a cripple, ya fuck.

      Bet the wee boys are round yer dump every night.

      LOL!

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    7. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM

      David you can always try and join the Nat si Civil Society! Maybe a grant is available.

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  21. I didn't think anyone could make Ian.S.Smart look smart--Then along comes GWC.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 10:41 PM

      Brendan O' Hara Nat si knobend incoherant fool. Whit a knob my tax goes to paying this thing. Vomit.

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  22. Here's a reply from another website about the most dangerous place in the universe and why it is bollocks, still it made the retards happy.

    @ HenBroon

    “On a similar note has any one seen the article in The Record on line which says? “Scotland is the assault capital of the world according to UN stats on violent crime.” Yet I cannot find anything about this in the rest of the unionist MSM.”

    It seems like the Record’s data is 10 years out of date and, at that time, the UN study was flawed, Hen.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm

    Back in 2005 he UN’s study was based on telephone interviews and used data that was already five years out of date even then.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/un-wrong-to-brand-scotland-most-violent-country-police-chief-1-1096378

    We can always bank on the Record to diminish Scots and Scotland in the eyes of the world.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 11:26 PM

      And the figures are less than the normal domestic violence that inundated the NHS after old firm games. Wife gets heid kicked in cause his team got gubbed.

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    2. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 11:36 PM

      Just having a laugh at Sillers. He says Salmond did not connect with women but wee frumpy Nicola will. Bring her on uz pensioner muppets that worked hard all our lives would never trust her with our pensions. We do not want Angelas euros and being subservient to Germany like the Greeks now are.

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  23. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 7, 2015 at 11:05 PM

    The First Minister is holding an faith summit. So will she hold a summit with the majority of the country who have no faith.

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  24. And once again, most of the new comments since I last looked are from the troll - or feeders. Please guys, until James returns, can you just ignore the twat(s)? I don't read any of their posts, but I do read comments in general.

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    1. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 9, 2015 at 1:11 AM

      That comment is strange. ' until James returns'.

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  25. The Tories suffer their first defeat over Europe.
    The fun begins!

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    1. Terribly divided party the Tories. Never good to have a party which is so heavily divided in government.

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    2. If the Tories made the EUref an EVEL matter, life would be a lot easier for them.

      After all, it was only England that voted for an EUref.

      When we had our indyref we didn't force one on the rUK.

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  26. I wonder if Cameron will be forced to do a John Major and face the "bastards" down. Get the popcorn ready.

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  27. The incompetent fop already tried that Luigi. The results were hilarious and all too predictable.

    Near the beginning of this parliament Cameron and Osborne had the 'brainwave' to try and bounce the tory party into supporting their pro-EU pro-EU immigration stance.

    It got as far as the 1922 committee and some of the right-wing papers when they heard about the twit Gove trying to 'lay down the law' to Eurosceptics as well as the cowardly Cameron posturing about "sacking ministers" if they didn't fall into line. Needless to say the 1922 (supported by some of the cabinet) swiftly sent them packing to relay the message to Cameron which was basically, 'No. Think again, sonny.'

    There then followed the inevitable Cameron u-turn with him humiliated and made to look so weak and feeble that he actually tried to blame the right-wing press for printing what he told them!! LOL

    Nor is it remotely the first time since Cameron went through several amusing John Major moments in the previous parliament when his backbenchers told him to piss off and he was left floundering about haplessly.

    Those will be small beer compared to what's coming though. Which just makes the nasty party hysteria over the Labour splits that much more amusing. ;o)

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  28. The chumocracy shambles over Europe stems from the fact that Cameron isn't just weak (though he unquestionably is) he really is out of touch. He seriously doesn't know what he's dealing with when it comes to his own MPs, members and party activists who support OUT or are leaning towards it.

    The westminster bubble chattering classes and idiot right-wing papers have no chance of understanding that either because they are just as out of touch with the public and still don't seem to have grasped that public really doesn't give much of a shit about what a bunch of low-IQ right-wing papers shriek about hysterically from day to day.

    Take the thundering stupidity of Cameron trying to win support for throwing more bombs into Syria off the back of a child who died fleeing a country already convulsed by a bloody and intractable civil war.

    Those of us who actually have contact with the public regularly know full well that they all remember Iraq, Afghanistan and even Libya. (which just happen to be the other main sources of the refugee crisis) So it's not as if the public are going to be gung-ho to cheer on yet another middle east quagmire with no exit strategy and even less of an idea what the aim is than the the last few catastrophes.

    Obviously, we can ignore the Sun level 'analysis' of Syria's bloody, sectarian and intractable civil war as the precise same kind of moronic idiocy that saw them and most of the exact same westminster bubble twits and media who also (not a coincidence) cheered on Iraq's imaginary WMD "45 minutes from doom" bullshit.

    However, what the incompetent fop doesn't seem to realise is that when he tried to get support to bomb Assad (and Yes, the public is hardly going to overlook that fact since supporting bombing the opposite faction in a civil war from the one you now want to bomb doesn't tend to indicate a well thought through foreign policy) he had to make some promises to his backbenchers to at least remember they were there before he did something like it again.

    Most of those backbenchers may well back the incompetent fop using drones in another countries civil war and not care too much about the consequences, (legal and otherwise) at least in public, but they will also remember the promises and pledges and it all just adds to the reasons why so many of the tory backbenches don't trust a word Cameron says anymore. Particularly on Europe. Which Cameron is going to find will be a wee bit of a problem come the referendum campaign, to say the least.

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    1. The westminster bubble twits also seem to have worked themselves into a frenzy over a laughably skewed and framed yougov question which even contained the word "apparently". LOL

      Leaving aside YouGov's comical polling record for the GE in rUK, and the fact that the westminster bubble twits had Corbyn at 100-1, some of us remember the precise same kind of brief reaction 'snapshot' polls during the Iraq buildup and even a few for Afghanistan and Libya.

      Rest assured, there is a colossal difference between one snapshot poll on one specific strike (the consequences of which have yet to play out or even be debated fully) and the kind of full-on escalation that joining in the war and backing Putin and Assad in the sectarian carnage the Syrian civil war would inevitably bring. (and not just for Syria, that's for damn sure)

      Nor will we have the slightest difficulty persuading the scottish public of the immense stupidity of supporting yet another middle east quagmire while it is being cheered on by the same low-IQ right-wing papers and westminster bubble chattering classes who thought Iraq and Afghanistan were a great idea.

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  29. One final thing, while Cameron is cluelessly tub-thumping for another war in the middle east he somehow seems to have forgotten that you can't put Northern Ireland on 'auto-pilot'.

    Having a coherent policy, the basic ability to spot trouble coming down the track while placing competent ministers to ensure the continuation of decades of work, kind of matters, quite a bit.

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    1. I've been flagging up the trouble brewing in NI for a while now. A lot of people don't seem to have been noticing it.

      So far the Tories seem to have successfully pushed Scotland to pro-indy while destabilising N. Ireland. In both cases because you have a party that got its ass handed to it on a plate in those home nations imposing it's unwelcome policies them colonial style.

      'One Nation, One United Kingdom'... International leaders will be sniggering behind Dave's back.

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    2. You have indeed Scottish_Skier and very valuable it has been too.

      Things is, every time you have flagged it up, or I've seen yet more warning signs myself, or it has finally bubbled up through to the broadcasters, I kept thinking, 'well obviously, they will have to put some hard work in now and kick some seriously arrogant and complacent arses in the NI office and elsewhere'. And it just never happens.

      It's bizarre but pretty damn telling and speaks to Cameron's chumocracy getting out of their depth pretty damn quickly.

      Like when the incompetent fop and the tories started shrieking about EVEL yet somehow didn't seem to notice who devolution also applied to.

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    3. Maybe it's a Tory plan to provoke trouble in NI so they can shut Stormont again, followed by Holyrood. I wouldn't put it past these bastards.
      Get some idiot to plant a bonb from some manufactured Scottish terrorist.
      I'll get my tinfoil hat on now.

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    4. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 9, 2015 at 12:54 AM

      Holyrood is a must for closing down. It is a middle and upper class sanctuary bleeding the working class.
      The money wasted could be spent on public services.

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  30. When the cats away the anonymice will play

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    1. He's not anonymous Le Panda. His name is James McGibbon, he's a pathetic wee racist and bigot and he's just ensured he'll need to find a new site to spam when James comes back. As some of us knew he eventually would since he self-evidently has the IQ of a peanut. :-)

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    2. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 9, 2015 at 1:19 AM

      Dear Mr Pork. That comment could be construed as offencive by myself and is entirely traceable. You should withdraw it and apologise. I am not a bigot or racist. I observe what is happening and give an opinion. You may not like it but you must withdraw your allegation now.

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  31. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Robertson natsi MP having a go at the PM for killing Islamic Fascists. What a cunt he is. But I suppose the Nat sis have been courting Islamists for votes.

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  32. Agree about the trolls Bugger but you're a bit incognito yourself with a name like that eh?

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  33. Agree about the trolls Bugger but you're a bit incognito yourself with a name like that eh?

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  34. Seems I've missed all the troll baiting...

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  35. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 8:42 PM

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-belfast-agreement

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  36. Con & Unionist party vote in Northern Ireland = 1.3% in 2015.

    % NI MPs in UK Government = 0

    English Tories proposing to overrule NI democracy and force direct English rule unless the 98.7% that didn't vote for their welfare reforms accept them.

    = Colonialism

    Watch out, could get very, very ugly.

    Of course the English Tories are doing the same to Scotland, but at least they can claim only 85.1% didn't vote for them. That and Scotland isn't a partitioned bit of another country next door with a history of strife resulting from that.

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    1. Very salient points SS...was thinking the exact same thing myself listening to a BBC op ed piece on the tranny the other day...

      This can only end one way and it's opponents are certainly not going to be united in the Kingdom sense of the word....

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    2. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 10:02 PM

      You people have lost the plot. Tyranny!

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  37. Glasgow Working ClassSeptember 8, 2015 at 9:31 PM

    It is the majority English taxpayer that funds welfare in NI. I note like the Scots they do not want to pay additional tax to top up welfare. And that is because the majority of people think welfare is generous enough.
    And we had the Nat sis and Labour wanting to cut corporation tax to hand money to the rich and the Tories did it before them. Just shut you Tartan Tory Nat si moaning hypocrites.

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    1. I really think you should visit s doctor. Those voices you are hearing aren't real. Especially the pink rabbit in the cupboard.

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    2. He'll flip when he sees the new TNS poll.

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  38. Would Scots really swap London rule for Berlin rule? Are we really so craven?

    Look on the bright side - the war vets spinning in their graves will be a superb renewable energy resource!

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