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JD Vance says Trump is considering sending Tomahawk cruise missiles to Ukraine which would be quite the turnaround.
ReplyDeleteSending them or firing them? Best check.
DeleteSending (though I guess he’ll want paid for them)
DeleteI'm pro independence, pro immigration, pro nuclear power and pro EU membership. I'm against Israeli genocide, net zero, EVs and the salmon farming industry.
ReplyDeleteSurely, if you agree with me on the first point, the rest are irrelevant (until we are independent,)?
But if you take that logic to an extreme, you end up with the perversity of Liberate Scotland, ie. "It's totally cool to go into an electoral pact with a far-right party because they're pro-independence and nothing else matters".
DeleteAll this arguing about differences will soon be irrelevant if the
Delete“ Daddy” Farage becomes FM. The UK is going extreme right wing anyway and thats what Scotland will get. With independence we can avoid all this. Get Swinney out and independence in or we are heading for big big problems.
Why would anyone think net zero as a target is a bad thing? Nuclear energy? Torness. Hunterston and Dounreay has shown how they do not reduce prices nut leaves radioactive waste for the next 1000 years. What a legacy. Still maybe in Banff that is not an issue.
DeleteAgreed
DeleteBut if we don't ALL march under one banner there will ALWAYS be something to divide us, as has been the case for many years.
DeleteHistory is full of unlikely alliances in the pursuit of freedom. Why shouldn't I embrace somebody with wildly differing political views if we both agree independence is the most important?
Surely, it's an act of self harm not to.
Because if you go into alliance with Hitler, you end up with gas chambers. Everybody has to draw the line somewhere, it's just a question of where you draw it. Sovereignty aren't Hitler, but they are sufficiently far-right that it's a huge mistake for Liberate to bring them into the fold.
DeleteWe're seeing the consequences of refusing to mix with folk we don't agree with now. There are many independence supporters who won't vote SNP because of trans ideology. The SNP set the example, then put rapists into women's prisons. You reap what you sow I guess.
DeleteI am not allowed to join the Scottish Greens (apparently).
DeleteI strongly agree with their core principles towards Scottish independence and Net Zero.
But, I know that trans women are biological men.
I will still vote for them on the list based on the first two issues. Are the members ok with that?
@Anon September 30, 2025 at 10:45 PM
DeleteThe art is in knowing where to draw the line and knowing what is beyond the pale.
Gordon@5:52 I'm pretty sure the Scottish Greens accept that trans women are biological men.
DeleteHave you told Ross Greer and Maggie Chapman that?
DeleteI'm pretty sure that the Scottish greens don't accept that transwomen are men. Happy to be proved wrong though. Can you provide a quote from Patrick Harvey, Ross Greer or any other past or present coconvenors clearly saying so?
DeleteI see the Bath barf hasn't mentioned any of these pro-independence poll results in his latest rant, but has once again come to the defence of Farage and his fascist racist thugs.
ReplyDeleteOne would almost think that he was already a member of that stagnant pool of Reform sewage and there is absolutely no doubt that many of the gibbering idiots in the Wings clique have already made that move.
Surely it is pretty obvious ? Forming a united front with others with whom we may have differences on tactics and details strengthens any campaign, but including those with serious differences on matters of principle tars us with their brush in the eyes of newcomers and neutrals. Politically we become what we eat !
ReplyDeleteWe are not weakened by being separate from these people. If they work for a few positive objectives, separately from us, then that work is still being done. If we link ourselves politically and organisationally with them then we start to put people of good intent off from joining us.
For example, would I work for a blood and soil independence campaign that promised an apartheid policy in the renewed nation - not under any circumstances imaginable.
"with whom we may have differences"
Delete"tars us"
"we become"
"We are not weakened by being separate from these people
"
We? us? these people?
You, I, any one person, speaks for the view of just one person - themselves.
"movement - 3. a group of people working together to advance their shared political, social, or artistic ideas."
There is one and only one political, social or artistic idea the myriad of people who make up the Independence movement share in totality - and that's Independence.
"We" don't agree on net zero, gender, left right or centre, nuclear power, the nuclear deterrent, Nato, neutrality, our own currency or share one (dollar, euro, pound, nimby), the far left, the far right, horse racing, alcohol, gambling, being a parent or not, driving or walking, anything.
In Independence "we" are united, in everything else "we" are different. Not clones, not cult members, human beings with our own distinct identities and beliefs.
Does no-one have any sympathy for Blair McDougal? ["Who?" - Ed.]
ReplyDeleteCan't be long until Gordon Broon will intervene again with a MAJOR statement.
I wonder if the MAJOR intervention will be to enlighten the public as to the disbursement of funds to the charities associated with the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown.
DeleteYou say”many”’ but Campbell now has an Indy following that should be counted in the dozens. He knows this, thus his current dalliance with right wing racists and extremists. He needs the money.
ReplyDeleteCampbell is the turncoat's turncoat.
ReplyDeleteThe little rat will blow with whichever wind helps his income.
For now, he has latched onto the right wing filth which pollutes Reform after a short dalliance with the Tories before they dramatically fell from grace.
He is a right winger by nature in any case and will happily assist Farage to take power in Little Engerland where he has his home while continuously slagging off Scotland for keeping his hated SNP as the largest Party and in power.
He is nothing but a Scotland hating subservient wee piece of genocide excusing excrement.
11.29am Am I correct in thinking you do not care much for this person?
DeleteYouGov, Westminster voting intention, field work 29th Sept.
ReplyDeleteUK headline; RefUK 7% lead, -1% on last week.
Scottish sub-sample (166)
Con 8%, Labour 20%, LibDem 10%, SNP 32%, RefUK 20%, Green 6%.
Net stupid zero. Folk that say this are stupid. However , the British state, big business , the electricity power companies and renewable industries have all worked oot that renewables themselves will never power the UK increased power requirements. Hence they will cover Scotland's land and sea with turbines, power cables and pylons.
ReplyDeleteThey will wreck Lochaber and Loch Ness wi pump hydro schemes to store power when there's no wind ( unfortunately wont work well when we have drought - 1 in 2years are predicted to have drought). Massive battery farms in countryside.plus they will have the last of oor NS oil/ gas.
To keep the massive increases in transport and A1 data centres they will build new gas power stations ( 10 have been mooted) . AND still build new nuclear. Nae doot the spectre of waste being dumped in Scotland will be back!
Wake up folks!
It’s raining.
DeleteStarmer just loves a flag. He even wants ours. Fuck off child starver. Had the audacity to claim benefit credit for at long last recognising Palestinian state. Reality is they are running scared of being held to have been complicit in genocide and hope this will help them.
ReplyDeleteLeft right centre upside down you're turning me, who cares if people support Independence for Scotland? In a nation with a population of 5.6 million, who'd have thunk there'd be 5.6 million different views!
ReplyDelete"Welcome to Wealthy Nation. We are a group of Scots who stand to the right of centre on the political spectrum and who are going to vote Yes to the independence of our country in the referendum on September 18, 2014."
I'm giving the wayback URL so you can pick the year and date yourself, it changed sometimes, you'd want mostly before Sep 2014. It's Michael Fry's who wrote for the National in the old days when it tried to achieve some sort of political balance, and got jeered at and sneered at by "lefties" because of his views. That's people who put their own political beliefs BEFORE Independence.
https://web.archive.org/web/20161001000000*/https://wealthynation.org/
But it was a fabulous resource for those who wanted to get a clue about finance, currency, reserves, banks, interest, and who can keep an open mind without sneering "neoliberal". I used knowledge gained from there many times to "defeat" unionists sneering at Scotland being poor or incapable on both the Herald and when it started, the National. Basically speaking they had no answer to actual knowledge rather than Better Together shite.
Could people PLEASE not swear in their submitted comments. Thank you.
Delete@yesindyref 6.05PM
DeleteI know how you beat the unionists, you bored them to death
Nobody died you fool.
DeleteAnyone wonder what the very small group of Indy supporters who still support the fake rev look like? He has helpfully provided some Campbell Cult photos. It appears they have eaten each other’s brains, which explains a lot.
ReplyDeleteI thought they lived in Spain and baurheid.
DeleteAnon at 10.49pm. Best take it easy with the thinking. It clearly isnae your forte.
Deletehow many immigrants is the right number
ReplyDeletehow many nigels should we take from flatland
how many BAMES from BAME land for the diversity
should scottish women be having more abortions to make room for the new scots
OT - supposedly "Rachel Reeves to lift two-child benefit cap in November budget" which would give the Scottish Government around an extra £155 million since it mitigates the offensive cap anyway.
ReplyDeletePerhaps they might like to increase payments to help stop child poverty.
More in Common, Westminster voting intention, field work 26 -29 Sept.
ReplyDeleteUK headline; RefUK 10% lead, +7% on last week (previous week as outlyer, this is a return to normal for More in Common).
Scottish sub-sample (131 unweighted)
Con 13%, Lab 19%, LibDem 13%, RefUK 17%, Green 8%, SNP 28%.
Any chance that klaxon will wake up Swinney to the extreme need for Scottish independence.
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