Monday, June 12, 2023

Yet another BOMBSHELL Find Out Now poll confirms that independence is the consistent, settled will of the Scottish people - contradicting the claim made by Humza Yousaf only yesterday, and piling colossal pressure on him to reverse course and restore the Sturgeon policy of a de facto referendum

Well, well, well.  Just 24 hours since Humza Yousaf sold the jersey to some extent by telling the BBC (under no pressure at all from the interviewer, incidentally) that it was "obvious" that independence is "not the settled will of the Scottish people", along comes a poll to prove him totally wrong.

Should Scotland be an independent country? (Find Out Now / Alba Party, 7th-12th June 2023)

Yes 52% (-)
No 48% (-)

The significant point here is that Find Out Now have conducted five polls on Scottish independence since they first entered the fray.  The five have been well spaced out, and each one has been commissioned by a different client.  There was one in March 2021 commissioned by the Daily Express, one in December 2022 which if I recall was commissioned by an independence supporter acting as an individual (although he crowdfunded for it retrospectively), one in January 2023 commissioned by The National, one in March 2023 commissioned by myself for Scot Goes Pop, and now one in June 2023 commissioned by the Alba Party.  All five have shown a majority in favour of independence, which suggests strongly that there has been a consistent Yes majority throughout the period Find Out Now have been polling - in other words, the polar opposite of the claim Yousaf made yesterday to justify indefinitely dropping all plans to win independence.

Now, of course, there have been many polls from other firms during the same period which have shown Yes below 50%.  But here's the thing: the consistency of Find Out Now's results suggests that the differences between polls have not been caused by Yes support on the ground bobbing up and down (as Yousaf misleadingly suggested yesterday) but instead by methodological differences between polling companies.  The two firms that have consistently shown Yes majorities in recent times are Find Out Now and Ipsos, and they differ from other firms in that they do not weight their results by recalled referendum vote from 2014.  The head of Ipsos explained a few months ago that they take that approach for a very sound reason, namely that there is a high probability of some respondents falsely recalling how they voted in 2014, especially after almost a decade.

It's about time Yousaf started speaking up for the cause he's supposed to believe in by forcibly pointing out the evidence that there already is a settled will in favour of independence, and challenging the questionable methodology of pollsters who show No leads, rather than eagerly buying into a unionist narrative to try to get himself off the hook of having to do anything to actually deliver independence.

A couple of technical notes about the poll - Alba in their press release have taken a leaf out of the Express / IPSO book by rounding the results to one decimal place, and not to a whole number, so they can say Yes are on 52.5% rather than 52%.  But at least, unlike the Express and IPSO, they've made an arithmetically accurate claim.  I've already received the datasets by email, and I can tell you that Yes are on 52.49%, so that number has been accurately rounded to 52.5%.

And Alba have also pointed out that the fieldwork covers the period of Nicola Sturgeon's arrest.  That's technically true, but I know from my own experience of commissioning a Find Out Now poll that the vast majority of responses will probably have come through on the first day of fieldwork, meaning last Wednesday.

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21 comments:

  1. 'I've somehow already received the datasets' - What are the figures for each party?

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    1. The data tables that have been sent out only cover the independence question. If there are other questions in the poll, they haven't been released yet. (I wouldn't automatically assume that there are other questions, by the way - at least one of the previous Find Out Now polls has just had the one question.)

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    2. Note the phrase “settled will” instead of “majority support”. We can all see a majority when one stares us in the face, but the settling of a nation’s will can take whatever form you want it to; to keep it out of reach.

      Potential definitions of “the settled will” in Humza’s case:

      • Whatever it is now +10%, then another 10…
      • Whatever Labour agrees it is to ally in coalition
      • Whatever fated number strikes awe and acceptance into Tory hearts
      • Whatever it takes to get to his retirement

      Mark the date!

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    3. National posting this but no Alba figure:
      The SNP enjoyed the support of 37% of people, with Keir Starmer’s party on 28%. The Conservatives were up two points with 20%. There was no change in support for the LibDems or the Greens who stood at 9% and 3%, respectively.
      https://www.thenational.scot/news/23574719.new-poll-shows-scottish-independence-support-43-per-cent/

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    4. Sorry, that's the Redfield and Wilton data

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  2. Well, a 4% margin of victory for Leave was a “resounding mandate from the electorate for Brexit”, so a 5% margin of victory for Yes is practically a “supermajority”.

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  3. Thanks again for excellent analysis.

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  4. Sturgeon wont resign, Yousaf too scared and spineless to suspend her. The SNP stoop to new lows.

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  5. It doesn't help credibility that the National headlines this on its main page:

    "New poll puts ahead as just over one-third of Scots back No"

    One-third = 33.3%
    Actual poll = 39.2% NOT just over!

    It's a massive problem when organs of indy lie, or need fact checking, or are just plain illiterate and innumerate.

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    1. I sometimes wonder about the national and it's true commitment to supporting Independence, it seems that it 'disappears' at crucial moments, just when we need it. I assume that the team of journalists in the paper occupy the same offices as the Herald and so I cannot really view them as out and out 'radical' independence supporters. But being fair everyone has to earn. Perhaps we need an alternative media producing an alternative 'paper'? Other movements have published 'paper' copies of communications to reach those not on the internet - couldn't we?

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    2. Well, we could, but how many people would see it? iScot has existed in print for many years and is a high quality product (although as a contributor I'm probably biased) but it's building up a really big circulation that's the challenge. I think at some stage iScot had to switch to a subscriber-only model to stay viable, but that of course reduced its visibility in shops and makes it less likely that people will casually stumble across it.

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    3. i would love to see a credible pro-independence paper. It's not just the overt fanboyness of the National that gets me. It's the styling as well.

      A paper that would have non-indy related front pages as well. it's a wee bit boy that cried wolf at the moment.

      Sadly it's a bit embarrassing to buy at the moment. I'm saying that as someone who would love to buy a pro-indy Herald or Scotsman.

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    4. I understand what you're saying, but water down the pro-indy element too much and you end up with the Sunday Herald under Neil Mackay, which claimed to be a pro-indy paper but was plainly neutral at best.

      If I was going to tweak The National, it would be by making it more inclusive of different sections of the movement. It's very heavily weighted at the moment towards SNP leadership loyalists and Green leadership loyalists. There's the odd external voice like Kate Forbes, which is welcome, but that feels like tokenism rather than proper inclusion.

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    5. 'i would love to see a credible pro-independence paper'
      This has reports by both SNP and Alba reps
      https://scotsindependent.scot/

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    6. 'I would love to see a credible pro-independence paper'
      Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh is in Scots Independent June 23 issue

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  6. Good result. I expect the data sets are not weighted to the 2014 Referendum vote.

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  7. I'm afraid Humza isn't for turning when it comes to Independence, he wasn't given the job to secure independence but to deny that it even exist.

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  8. Weighting by recalled vote in 2014 does seem very illogical now. Those who were 16 in 2014 are now 24 and many of those who were 80+ will now be dead. As the older cohort are more pro-union (75/25?) than the younger cohort U24s (25/75?) there would be a logic to an uplift in independence.

    Also, the comments by Sir John Curtice that Nicola Sturgeon's arrest and the turmoil in the SNP generally isn't making much of a difference in pro-indy support, shows that pro-indy sentiment is probably much more of a reaction to the shit quality of governance in the UK than emotional desire to cleave a new path. IE: civic not ethnic nationalism.

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  9. WGD numpties and other Sturgeon supporters getting more and more like Trump supporters.

    Both see a conspiracy against their great leader but provide no evidence.

    Both say I STAND WITH TRUMP/ STURGEON.

    Both say it is a witchhunt against their great leader.

    Both say their support is rising due to the witchhunt.

    Both say they would support their great leader no matter what any court of law finds against them.

    Both say they only prosecute one side of the political world in Scotland/USA.

    Trump supporters say Trump had every right to hold the classified documents. Sturgeon supporters say it was SNP money and they can spend it on whatever they want. Both lies.

    But nobody loves Sturgeon more than Dr Jim. Jimbo believes Scotland is only recognised in the world due to Sturgeon. Jimbo says:- " Nicola Sturgeon put Scotland on the political map, and she was and still is the envy of many. " Dr Jim the SNP's very own Nadine Dorries.
    The truth is Jimbo Sturgeon is famous for carrying out an "unfair, unlawful and tainted by apparent bias " hit job on Salmond worthy of the Soviet Union and Putin in modern day Russia. But she even failed at that. Sturgeon should have resigned when the judge gave that verdict if she had any honour or integrity.

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    1. Another similarity is the temperature in Miami and Scotland 😀

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    2. Well said indeed.
      Sturgeon is a failed politician who , like Trump, becomes more and more disliked by the day, by an increasing number of people in this country.
      A lot of people within the SNP still don’t seem to get it, the damage she is doing to her party and the independence movement in general. Yousaf continuing to back her to the hilt does himself, his party and the country no favours at all.

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