As I mentioned in the last blogpost but one, I agreed to Paul Kavanagh's request a few weeks ago that I shouldn't post a public rebuttal of the serious allegations that 'Scottish Skier' had been making about me in the comments section of Wee Ginger Dug. This was on the understanding that the allegations would be deleted. However, Scottish Skier has reposted his claims yet again today, and they've now been up for over ten hours. I've no idea if the WGD moderators will delete the comment eventually, but it's got to the point where that's almost an irrelevance, because if Scottish Skier keeps writing these posts and they're deleted several hours or days later, it's effectively shutting the stable door after the horse has already bolted. I can't allow these persistent attempts to tarnish my reputation go unanswered forever.
Here, then, is the rebuttal I intended to post a few weeks ago. Essentially what this is all about is the controversy over the £600,000 that was donated to the SNP's "ring-fenced" indyref fund, and that appears to have been spent on other things. Back in the spring, when he was still a regular commenter on this blog, Scottish Skier made his customary metaphysical attempt to prove black is white by insisting that the fund had indeed been ring-fenced, even though most of the money is no longer there. His argument rested mainly on the claim that the SNP must be still "good for the money" because they had given a refund to those who had requested one. This was of course a nonsense, because only a tiny percentage of donors had asked for a refund, and thus only a small proportion of the funds needed to be available to pay those people back. If everyone had asked for a refund, the SNP wouldn't have been able to agree, because the £600,000 simply wasn't there.
Scottish Skier bristled when I and others pointed this out to him - and then he seemed to have a brainwave. He remembered that he had previously donated small amounts to Scot Goes Pop fundraisers, so as a little stunt he decided to demand a partial refund on one particular £20 donation which he made several months earlier. (The 'partial' cracked me up.) What he was attempting to demonstrate was that the SNP were superior to independent Yes fundraisers like myself, because they were prepared to offer refunds on demand. Alternatively, I could play along with the stunt and agree to the refund, in which case I'd effectively be conceding that fundraising simply isn't viable anymore, because I wouldn't actually be able to spend any of the money I raise. I would have to retain the money indefinitely just in case someone like Skier vexatiously demands a refund months or years later - which would defeat the entire purpose. Remember that he wasn't asking for a refund of money that was supposed to be ring-fenced, but instead for money that I had already spent in exactly the way I had promised to - either on opinion polls or on general living expenses. Apparently to atone for the SNP's sin of spending money in a way they said they wouldn't, every other Yesser raising funds now has to refrain from spending money in the way they said they would. As I pointed out to Skier, there have been individual donations in the past of as much as £500 or £1000, and I simply cannot be expected to find that sort of money at the drop of a hat. If you want to know whether I'd hypothetically be able to pay back the £6000 I raised in 2015, the answer is 'no', and nobody should expect it to be anything else. I promised to use the money, and I used it. If I'd promised to sit on it, that would be a different story.
I want to emphasise at this point that I'm more than happy to refund donations when the request is made within a reasonable timescale and when the reason is valid. For example, I once refunded £90 to someone who was horrified to discover that she had donated £100 rather than the £10 she intended. (Ironically the refund more or less wiped out the £10 donation once the transaction fees on the original £100 were taken into account.) But if, as a tiresome stunt, someone randomly demands a refund of money that has long since been spent, and spent entirely properly, that's a very different matter.
In his comment on Wee Ginger Dug today, Scottish Skier attached the emails he sent me when he was demanding the refund. With characteristic cynicism, he claimed that he had omitted all of my replies to 'protect' me! The real reason of course was to strip his emails out of their proper context, in which they would have been seen in a very different light. To redress the balance, here are my own emails from that exchange. The most comical bit is when he "takes me up on my offer" to donate £15 to a Highland rescue dog charity as a goodwill gesture, but then announces that he's unilaterally changed that offer to include a £5 donation to the Scottish Green Party!
The only edits I've made are to replace his real first name with the word "Skier", so that he can't complain that I've compromised his privacy.
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 18:33, James Kelly wrote:
Hi Skier,
Great to hear from you. As you know, this is the first email I've received from you on the subject of a refund request, so you'll understand my puzzlement at your suggestion that you "haven't had a response" or that you're somehow "following up". However, that's not terribly important given that you've now contacted me on the subject.
I'm happy to consider a refund if you can provide me with a valid reason for requesting one. The reasons you've provided so far all appear to be invalid or inaccurate. I'll go through them one by one for the avoidance of doubt...
* You claim that at the time of your donation, the site was pro-independence and discussed polling. That's quite true, but it's still pro-independence and still discusses polling. So no reason there.
* You claim that at the time of your donation the site was not in favour of any one party and did not attack any Yes parties. This is untrue: the site until recently has been pro-SNP in line with my own membership of that party. It frequently criticised pro-independence parties such as the Greens and RISE, and even the SNP itself on specific issues where I felt they were getting it wrong. So no reason there.
* You claim that since your donation, the site has become pro-Alba and has attacked the SNP and Greens. This is irrelevant to your donation because I made no undertaking in the fundraiser to refrain from partisan commentary. So no reason there.
* You say this is not what you donated in expectation of. That's irrelevant, because I can only be responsible for what I actually committed myself to in the fundraiser, not for erroneous or imaginative "expectations" on the part of others.
* You say you have been "blocked". This is untrue: pre-moderation has been switched on due to relentless trolling, and your comments are simply subject to the same moderation policy as everyone else's. It's an irrelevant point anyway, because I made no undertaking in the fundraiser that donors could expect to comment with impunity - or even to comment at all.
* You say that I can see why you "wonder what the hell is going on with the site". No, frankly I have no idea what you're talking about.
You'll appreciate, therefore, that I cannot offer you a refund on the basis you requested it - however if you have a valid reason I'll be more than happy to listen. Alternatively, I would be willing to make a £15 donation to a Highland rescue dog charity as a gesture of goodwill. I would ask you to match the donation, and naturally I would require an undertaking from you that you would then accept the matter is closed. Let me know your preference.
Best wishes,
James
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 19:47, James Kelly wrote:
Hi Skier,
Fairness is extremely important to me too. That's why in the past I have made a refund of as much as £90 when the request has been made for genuine reasons. That's also why it's important to say no to vexatious requests made for bogus reasons several months after the donation. As you have not accepted my offer to make a goodwill donation to a Highland dog rescue charity, and as you have ignored my invitation to provide a valid reason for your refund request, it appears that we both now regard this matter as closed. If anything changes, ie. if you think of a reason or decide you would like me to make the charity donation, please don't hesitate to let me know.
Have a great evening.
Cheers,
James
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 20:54, James Kelly wrote:
Hi Skier,
I agree with you about one thing - this is incredibly silly, and frankly petty on your part. You are making a huge issue about £15, and yes, you're doing so due to personal animosity - your animosity towards me. You don't give a monkey's about the money itself, which as you know perfectly well was used for *exactly* the purpose specified and intended.
You are not my customer. You did not pay for a service. You donated to a crowdfunder, and the money was used *precisely* as promised.
I will not be providing you with a refund unless you give me a valid reason for requesting one. I invite you to either do so now, or to draw a line under this nonsense.
Incidentally, it's utterly risible to suggest that the time elapsed since the donation is irrelevant. I received a £1000 donation a few years ago, which I've long since spent - are you suggesting I would be obliged to immediately come up with that money and return it if the donor in question suddenly decided on a whim to request a refund? Er, no.
Enjoy the rest of your evening.
James
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:12, James Kelly wrote:
Hi Skier,
I am not "keeping your money". You donated a small amount of money to a crowdfunder a long time ago and I spent it in exactly the manner promised. It is therefore no longer your money - indeed, it is no longer my money either.
Please note this rather ridiculous matter is now closed.
James
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:28, James Kelly wrote:
Hi Skier,
As explained, this matter is now closed. I will not be refunding you because you have not provided a valid reason. Good luck with your bogus "claim", and good luck also to the next person with a blog you decide is your own personal property.
James
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 22:39, James Kelly wrote:
Hi Skier,
By all means give me an immediate refund if you feel that strongly about it. But as you are demanding a refund from me, not the other way around, it's my reaction that matters.
James
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 14:21, James Kelly
James, no wonder the liar Scottish Skier didn't want to show your communications with him in his frankly pathetic and comedic attempt on WGD to defend his (as he sees it ) reputation.
ReplyDeleteIf some of the WGD moderators are who I read volunteering to carry out this service on WGD then I am not surprised they have continued to let through Skiers and others criticisms of you despite as you said assurances were that they would cease. I tried once to post on WGD telling Lomax I was not Campbell as he asserted and it was not printed. So I have to ask why were the comments about you not stopped as promised.
I will keep my promise to you not to criticise Mr Kavanagh as you requested. The numpties on WGD btl well that is another matter.
Update - it appears the moderators on WGD have taken down Skiers posts along with other posts by people like the numpty Alex Montrose who bleats about bloggers blocking him.
ReplyDelete""They Albas eh, what are they like." He bleats.
A bit late in day WGD moderators - intentional or ? . They numpties eh, what are they like.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt Skier will soon forget his current persona as a petro-chemist and 'self-id' as a brain surgeon or something. I've lost track of how many careers he claims to have had and I think so has he. The only things he is consistent about are his hatred of Stu Campbell and his desperate desire to share a toilet with women. (I'm still not convinced his 'French wife' isn't code for Skier in a frock). As for converting some refugees to independence, I imagine anyone trapped listening to Skier drone on for five minutes would agree to anything just for blessed release!!!
Hey Ramstam, do you think all these numpties that voted for and defended Blair are feeling proud about what he and his pal Bush kicked off 20 years ago as they survey the carnage all over the Middle East, Africa, Afghanistan etc. That will be you in the future as you look back at Sturgeon and her gang and how they wasted Scotlands best ever chance of independence.
ReplyDeleteIf the SNP members had any guts at all they would tell Sturgeon she must resign if she does not deliver independence by the end of this Parliament. By then she would have been in charge for 12 years. But that won't happen as the members are totally controlled by Sturgeon, her husband and their gang. Ramstam when you and liar Skier both boasted about giving more money to Peter Murrell prior to the election do you think it was a waste of money?
The man is clearly a bampot. You have been more than patient. Time to start ignoring him. I feel sorry for the next blogger he latches on to.
ReplyDeleteSalmond goes on the attack. I refer you to the Yours for Scotland blog.
ReplyDeleteIt seems Salmond is taking legal action against the authors (Clegg/Andrews) of a book about the persecution of Salmond.
Salmond says Clegg/Andrews have published material the judge ruled unlawful and never to be seen again. Parts of Evans report in the first Civil case.
Note to Ramstam - these are the people causing division.
Michael McElhinney whose diary is used in this book by scumbags Clegg/ Andrews just happens to have been recruited last year in to Sturgeons Briefing Unit after being away from the Scotgov since he finished his short tenure working for Salmond in 2015.
DeleteThis is the same guy who testified against Salmond at his criminal trial and guess what they didn't believe him. He said there was a policy of not letting young women work alone with Salmond - other witnesses said there was no such policy. He couldn't produce any evidence to back up his claim.
Are his diaries another Hitler diaries - fake?
Oh and Liz Lloyd Sturgeons newly promoted Stragegic Adviser is a pal of the ultra Britnat past Political Editor of the Daily Record Clegg. What a charming pair they are.
Sturgeon and her gang started their persecution of Salmond in 2017 and it still continues to this day with no end in sight.
ReplyDeleteIf they had put the same effort in to achieving Scottish independence then we would probably be independent by now.
The liar Skier (or whatever he claims he is today ) says on WGD the SNP did not choose to have the election. He says they were legally obliged to have it unlike a referendum and therefore the two are not the same. The two clearly are not the same but not this year for the reason Skier states.
ReplyDeleteThe Scotgov passed legislation that enabled them to postpone the election in May if they so choose to do so. But no they went ahead in the middle of a pandemic. They chose to hold the election so once again Skier is lying but of course the numpties on WGD lap it up as if he is some sort of genius. To some of these numpties on WGD like nasty DrJim I can understand why Skier seems a genius to them. The SNPs own low lying fruit.
To summarise:
The SNP chose to hold the election in May in the middle of the pandemic.
They choose to delay holding a referendum in the pandemic.
Of course as far as the numpties on WGD are concerned they would just accept any and every reason for making no progress towards independence. They call it being positive. That's why I call them numpties.
Why would Sturgeon want an election and not a referendum?
1. The election allows her to set herself in her position as Scotlands colonial governor for at least 5 more years. It also allows her to bring the Scottish Parliament Inquiry in to her persecution of Salmond to an end and ignore it thereafter.
2. First of all she doesn't want independence. People would probably not vote for her after independence. If she lost a referendum she would fear being forced to quit as FM. For Sturgeon personally a referendum is a lose lose activity and she wants to avoid it at all costs if possible. She just loves the power and rewards of being in power.
Note to IFS. Stop including Ramstam in your false memories.
ReplyDeleteHe's totally innocent. Never met Skier although at least he's entertaining sometimes unlike you.
Also I've never given a penny to Peter Murrel in my puff.
Enjoy your trolling.
Very bizarre post.
DeleteMeanwhile the numpty yesindyref2 now says:
ReplyDelete"What Sturgeon has said - repeatedly - is that there will be a ref when the people want one. And who can argue with that?"
Well I can YA NUMPTY. Sturgeon and her gang has said so many different things about a referendum it allows numpties like you to quote anything and everything you want.
The current quote in writing is in the draft policy document and it says when the Covid crisis is over there will be a referendum.
In the history of referendums can so many people have said so many things about when this referendum will take place. Sturgeon will probably soon say something different again and then Blackford will chip in with his version and Russell will chip in with his take on it and big Angus Robertson when asked about the referendum will say I am too busy sticking the boot in to Salmond to comment on that nonsense. Then up will pop wee Patrick and big Lorna to throw in their new thoughts on when the referendum will be held and before we know it it is another most important ever ever election (UK GE ) and we must vote SNP or Greens for independence. The numpties get all excited.
Alba is the only hope for something different. Sturgeon and her gang will never deliver independence.
Daily Record calls sectarian graffiti vile but posts a photo of it!
ReplyDeleteVile reporting and publicising of it more like. Gutter journalism.
The tawdry hit job of a book by Andrews/Clegg can be described as unfair, unlawful and written with bias. To quote Ramstam " gutter journalism".
ReplyDeleteLet's see now if COPFS is unbiased as the book is clearly a contempt of court as is the reporting by MSM newspapers.
If they do not prosecute these people then it confirms what many suspect about the justice system in Scotland - corrupt and controlled by Sturgeon.
Alba is the only hope now for Scottish independence - hence the continued attacks on and threats to Salmond. If you are supporting Sturgeon you are supporting the Britnats.
Every time I see all these Britnat MSPs sitting in the Scottish Parliament I think that is down to the SNP and their both votes SNP.
ReplyDeleteWell done you numpties in voting in so many Britnats - no doubt you are proud and happy that you can keep moaning about Murdo and Annie for another five years.
IfS
DeleteI too can complain to myself about other peoples votes but to call people numpties for voting for the party they believe in is surely daft.
Is it not correct that broadly speaking the scottish parliament make up reflects the intent of the votes cast? The real numpties are the people that believe in and vote for unionist parties, not those that fail to do something like vote for a party that they maybe don’t believe in to achieve something that may or may not work.
Donald I am not referring to the accuracy of the semi proportional voting system imposed on the Scottish parliament by the Britnats. Your comment is accurate re the end result. But where we differ is that I seen no reason to give the Britnats anything. You want to play fair when the Britnats have NEVER played fair since 1707. Ever thought that is why we are not independent? Think about all the unfair actions imposed on Scotland by Westminster but you want to ensure an accurate representation in a devolved parliament.
DeleteHow many SNP MSPs did all those Regional list votes deliver for the SNP? So no my comment is not daft. SNP voters have always had the option in front of them to get rid of many of these list British MSPs but like sheep followed the mantra of both votes SNP. They are numpties because most vote not understanding the voting system for Holyrood.
Ok Donald you ain't going to answer my question are you. The answer is two SNP MSPs from the massive SNP Regional list vote. TWO Donald just TWO but plenty of English controlled party MSPS got MSPs on the list.
DeleteI guess you, like many others, just like to avert your eyes from the truth and facts.
BBC are claiming Greta Thunberg saying "Scotland not leaders in tackling climate change".
ReplyDeleteI didn't hear her using these exact words but hey its a good anti-Scottish Govt soundbite. REPEAT REPEAT job done.
The strongest ever government for independence was Salmonds second government. You know the one that actually won a majority without a coalition, promised a referendum, set a date and carried out the referendum.
ReplyDeleteFunny how so many SNP numpties want to rewrite history and act as if it didn't happen. It's normally Britnats who like making up their own history of Scotland.
Currently in the lead for WGD numpty quote of the week is
ReplyDeleteRobert Kerr.
Robert thinks that the TV series Borgen is a great example of the success of coalition government and of course the great leader is known to like it. Therefore all will be well - is that the message Robert? Does the numpty think this is how she got the idea?
Comedy gold as ever on WGD.
For goodness sake Keith Brown. Night clubs are open and 50k crowds at Ibrox/Parkead but Brown is still talking about no juries and/or virtual juries and video statements that cannot be cross examined.
ReplyDeleteSurely proper justice is more important than nightclubs/football.
Stop kidding yourself on SNP members. Put forward a motion at your party conference to change the party name to the BDP. British Devolution Party. That would at least be more honest than the fraud being perpretated on independence supporters.
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