A lot of people have pointed out that Andrew Neil's lunatic rant in the Mail about the SNP-Green deal has shamed the BBC, who forever more will be known to have tried to pass off a right-wing nutter as an "objective, forensic interviewer" for the last couple of decades. But even more than the bias of the article, what strikes me is just how poor it is as a piece of punditry. It's full of factual inaccuracies, and analysis that is embarrassingly wide of the mark. Why was this guy ever so highly regarded?
"After all, they [the Greens] failed to win a single constituency, and only ended up with seven seats thanks to Scotland’s absurd voting system"What Andrew appears to be talking about here is simply proportional representation - and if that's "absurd" then clearly the entire continent of Europe has lost its marbles. The UK is practically the only European country that doesn't use a proportional voting system for national elections.
"Sturgeon failed to win an overall majority in the May elections, which undermined her promise that she would have a ‘mandate’ to demand a second independence referendum."
Interesting use of inverted commas around the word "mandate" there, given that Nicola Sturgeon stood on a manifesto commitment to hold an independence referendum and won a landslide victory on the back of it. She'll be claiming to have been "elected" as "First Minister" next. Maybe she'll even call Andrew a "journalist".
"But the Scottish Greens are also big fans of separation. By merging their seven seats with the SNP’s 64, hey presto, you get what Sturgeon would consider a rock-solid majority for Indyref2 in the Scottish parliament"
And in what sense is that unreasonable? Seven plus sixty-four equals seventy-one, which amounts to 55.5% of the seats in the parliament (excluding the non-voting Presiding Officer). Someone who regards that as a rock-solid majority is known variously as "a democrat" or "someone who can count".
"Whatever the majority in Holyrood for another referendum, it comes up against the cold, hard fact that only Westminster can sanction a second vote."
That may have been the fiction that the BBC gave Andrew licence to peddle, but in the real world it's a dubious claim that is contested by legal experts and has yet to be tested in court. The Scottish Parliament may well have the legal power to call a referendum without external 'permission'.
"It’s clear Sturgeon will accommodate just about anybody if it furthers independence, which is all the SNP really cares about."
If only that were true, but the evidence suggests otherwise. Was Andrew snoozing when Nicola Sturgeon made abundantly clear that she would refuse to work with the Alba party to bring about independence? And if independence is the current SNP leadership's first and only love, why does the SNP-Green deal specify a one-year deadline for introducing self-ID for trans people, while the timetable for an independence referendum is rather more elastic, to say the least?
"The Scottish Greens are led by inexperienced chancers Patrick Harvie and Lorna Slater"
Hmmm. Patrick Harvie can be legitimately accused of many things (most obviously intolerance and extremism on identity politics), but I'm not sure "inexperience" is one of them, given that he's been a parliamentarian since 2003 and co-leader of his party since 2008. Did Andrew even bother to check Wikipedia before penning his piece?
"There is no word, of course, about where the money will come from to pay for all this [the Green policy programme], though no doubt the much-derided UK will be expected to stump up most of it."
Expected to? You mean the Scottish Government sets policies and the UK Government adjusts its block grant to Scotland accordingly? As opposed to the actual system whereby the Scottish Government has to set policy within the confines of a fixed block grant, and the only wiggle-room comes from the ability to adjust income tax rates for residents of Scotland?
As Andrew has been telling us, practically since the day I was born, that the oil is just about to run out, there's more than a whiff of pro-cakeism and pro-eatism about this line of argument. "You're turning your back on all that OIL you don't have!"
Was the first task of Sturgeons new Strategic Adviser to get her close pal Clegg from N. Ireland to stick the boot in to Salmond again? What lovely people they are. I am sure the nasty numpty Jim on WGD will just lap it all up.
ReplyDeleteIs Sturgeons Strategic Adviser working hand in glove with the Britnat media and you don't get more Britnatty than Clegg and Andrews.
The Tory Party in Scotland got 7 first past the post seats. Thats the system used for Westminster. The overwhelming majority of FPTP seats went to the SNP. The "leader" of the "Scottish" Conservatives got "elected" on the lists. The Westminster FPTP system is the undemocratic part of the electoral system. For any credibility he should fulmanate against that at Westminster.
ReplyDeleteThere is no doubt that the Sturgeon leadership is emerging as a significant blockage on the road to the kind of participative and openly democratic independent Scotland that I signed up for. We should all keep this at the front of our minds and, even the slow ones like me, act on it eventually.
ReplyDeleteHowever, just for a moment, let's savour the way that Neil is destroying himself as he gives in to his instincts and shows what a mouthfoaming, right wing bam he really is. Thank you Mr Neil and good night - close the door behind you as you go !
Next thing you know there will be a video on YouTube showing Neil raving it up in a nightclub in Paisley. That seems to be the thing at the moment for extreme right wing Britnats.
DeleteAndrew Neil seems to consider constituency seats as the only legitimate representation. In which case he must surely acknowledge that the SNP won a massive landslide in the constituencies (62 out of 73 constituencies) and therefore have all the mandate they could possibly need for indyref2.
ReplyDeleteWGD numpty quote of the week.
ReplyDeleteComing in at the very last minute to beat all the other numpty quotes, and as ever there have been some crackers, is this one by Indyref2yesplease Nicola.
" Indy Ref 2 real soon now"
Is this a forecast or a begging letter to Nicola/Patrick/Lorna.
Independence for Scotland have you no comment on SGPs Superb debunking of Andrew Neil's critique of the SNP/Green agreement? Or are you only interested in fostering division.
ReplyDeleteJames, That's one of the best pieces you have ever posted. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Mair power tae yer pen.
I agree with your comment Ramstam that it is an excellent article. It's not a surprise to me that Neil is a Britnat bampot who punts a lot of rubbish. More specifically, I would comment as follows:
DeleteI agree Harvie is not inexperienced - he has plenty of experience as a chancer gathering votes from independence supporters on a fake basis.
The money to fund Harvie's pet policies will not come from oil because all the money goes straight to Westminster anyway.
The "only wiggle room" also comes in a very limited way from LBTT.
There you are Ramstam - happy now. I have noticed a pattern with you Ramstam. You pose questions to me - I reply. I pose questions to you - silence.
It seems some people want me post less others like you Ramstam want to tell me what to post about.
I am interested in Scottish independence and the truth. If you think that is fostering division you are entitled to your opinion. I would say that was the British Labour way for many decades - wheest don't rock the boat. The SNP and your attitude amounts to the same - don't mention any wrongdoings no matter how despicable.
That's not for me Ramstam.
The WGD numpty Capella blames the Scottish parliament election system D'Hondt for Annie Wells being an MSP.
ReplyDelete" - Ruth Wishart excellent article on the D 'Hondt system which throws up gems like Annie Wells. "
Well YA NUMPTY thats your both votes SNP nonsense.
If numpties like Capella have their way it will be both votes SNP again in 2026 and more posts on WGD complaining about Britnats like Wells for another 5 years.
( of course it is an AMS based on D 'Hondt but the numpties get so much wrong it is only to be expected)
A couple more WGD types to keep an eye on:
DeleteGrizebard: similar to Skier in his initial courting of ScotGoesPop. Long-term hunter of 'malcontents'. Astroturfer?
Alec Lomax: A bad-mouther of Alba. Has been seen grovelling for his masters on the Guardiab messageboard
For comic relief not even the biggest numpty on WGD can rival this from Amazon on Cleggs new book.
ReplyDelete"..... and with rigorously fair minded reporting, journalists David Clegg and Kieran Andrews go behind the headlines to uncover the truth." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sturgeons Scotland.
So I can both discount the Green seats (because seats gained because of this absurd proportional system don't really count) and in the same piece say the SNP didn't really win the election? How many constituencies did the SNP win?
ReplyDeleteOn balance I believe the deal is a good move as far as independence is concerned. Only if the leaders make use of it for independence that is.
ReplyDelete#Independence for Scotland - you are a complete turn-off with your invective. In fact, I wouldn't put it past you to be a Britnat parading as a Yesser. If you truly want Independence then you will have to work with others. If you truly support ALBA what did you do with your constituency vote?
ReplyDeleteDear Bill, sorry I failed to turn you on. That certainly was not my intention. I think you are on the wrong type of site so please stop hassling me with your invective.
DeleteWhat is it about people like you. I wouldn't put it past you to be a Sturgeon stooge, a pal of Skiers or one of the numpties from WGD.
" If you truly support Alba what did you do with your constituency vote." I did what I said I would do and voted SNP constituency and Alba Regional list. I got that moron Jackson Carlaw as my MSP. That is the last time I will be voting SNP with the current leadership in charge. And by that I mean all of Sturgeons gang.
I wouldn't put it past you to be a numpty trying to pass themselves of as an intelligent human. As you seem to like the word truly. This is for you Bill. I TRULY support Scottish independence.
Dear Bill, I see you have been boasting on WGD that you were taking me to task on SGP. Bill I was wrong when I suggested you were a numpty - naw you are a 🤡🤡🤡🤡 and a coward. You also slagged off James Kelly. Once again James I thought the moderators on WGD were stopping this abuse of you. These moderators are as reliable as a chocolate teapot.
DeleteI couldn't resist having a quick read of the liar Skiers attachment he posted on WGD detailing only his side of the matter in his desperate attempt to get money back from James Kelly.
ReplyDeleteComedy gold. He truly fits in well on WGD.
Skier has clearly been getting some coaching from John ( redactor man ) Swinney. Perhaps he even used the great mans own redacting equipment. I am sure he only made available the communications he wanted people to see ( the Swinney method ).
First of all he hassled James Kelly and then he hassled some poor guy on go fund me. All this to get a few pounds back from James.
He justifies this because James now dissappoints him by being a member of Alba. He says the SNP are refunding people who are not happy about the referendum fund. As ever with Skier he misses out that the SNP refused refunds until people started going to the police to complain.
So should I hassle Sturgeon and Evans to give me back the money I contributed to Salmonds legal costs fund raiser on the basis that their actions were judged to be unlawful.
Nope because I am not a numpty like Skier.
Some numpties on WGD think this shows he is a fine upstanding citizen. As I say comedy gold reading it but probably not for James or the go fund me guy on the receiving end.
Is this something he's posted today? If the moderators aren't deleting his allegations, then I'm going to have to post a full public rebuttal as originally planned. This is getting way, way beyond a joke.
DeleteYes today. it's part of what I was saying on the other thread. He seems to think that by not mentioning you by name but stating he has been defamed again and has to reply. He attaches correspondence from him to you with your name redacted but not your correspondence to him. At the risk of Ramstam saying I am creating division it does not seem to me that they are living up to what you say was agreed with WGD.
DeleteIs there anything more silly and embarrassing for Police Scotland than the National reporting that the Police actually charged Salmond with "culpable and reckless conduct" because he opened a bottle of sparkling water in a Ministerial car and it exploded and soaked everyone in the car. The charges were dropped before the criminal trial. Keystone cops doesn't come in to it. It just shows that the WGD numpties are not the only ones in Scotland. It also shows how desperate the Police were to get Salmond on anything. Just who was putting all this pressure on the Police?
ReplyDeleteOf course it could all be false.
Sturgeons Scotland. It's at the same time embarrassing, funny and a disgrace.
ReplyDeleteI'm in favour of PR but not the list system. It offers a back door to third-rate party hacks who are incapable of winning a public vote and who have no connection to a constituency. I would divide the country into 100 constituencies, each electing one MSP by single transferable vote. While far from perfect in terms of proportionality, at least this would ensure the winning candidate secured some degree of approval from a majority of the local electorate. Can anyone imagine the likes of Annie Wells securing enough transfers to win a seat under STV? My system would also remove 29 snouts from the Holyrood trough as the standard of some MSPs is lamentable at present.
Patrick Harvie is quite right to condemn the disgusting bigoted chanting of Rangers fans in Glasgow. Does Patrick want to now apologise for his part in removing the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act. When this act was removed there was an upsurge in trouble at football matches by morons. Patrick own up and accept responsibility.
ReplyDeletePatrick you are in government now - what are you going to do to resolve this problem?