Scottish Parliament constituency voting intentions (Survation / Sunday Post):
SNP 50% (+1)
Conservatives 21% (-)
Labour 21% (+1)
Liberal Democrats 7% (-2)
Greens 2% (+1)
Scottish Parliament regional list voting intentions:
SNP 35% (-3)
Labour 22% (+3)
Conservatives 20% (+2)
Greens 10% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 7% (-1)
Alba 3% (-)
Seats projection (with changes from 2016 election): SNP 67 (+4), Labour 24 (-), Conservatives 22 (-9), Greens 11 (+5), Liberal Democrats 5 (-)
SNP: 67 seats
All others: 62 seats
SNP OVERALL MAJORITY OF 5 SEATS
Pro-independence parties: 78 seats
Anti-independence parties: 51 seats
PRO-INDEPENDENCE MAJORITY OF 27 SEATS
Bear in mind that seats projections at this stage have to assume that Alba's vote is evenly spread, which is unlikely to be the case in the real world. So the projection that Alba are on zero seats should be taken with a pinch of salt. With a national vote of 3%, there's a good chance that they'd be on 5%+ in one or two regions, and thus might take one or two seats.
The other point that should be treated with a little caution is Labour's second place. Over recent months, Survation have repeatedly shown Labour doing better, relative to the Tories, than other firms have. So although the general consensus is that Anas Sarwar has had a better campaign than Douglas Ross (hasn't everyone?), and although it may seem intuitively plausible that Labour are re-emerging as the leading opposition party, I wouldn't find it at all surprising if other firms continue to show the Tories in second place.
Should Scotland be an independent country?
Yes 49% (-1)
No 51% (+1)
I'd say the independence numbers are mildly encouraging. Given that ComRes and YouGov both showed 2% drops in the Yes vote to 48% and 47% respectively, I wouldn't have expected Survation - who in recent times have been a relatively No-friendly pollster - to report a figure as high as 49%. Election campaigns often produce dips in support for independence, simply because unionist parties fire up their base by making the case against indy, while the SNP tend to shy away from making the case for indy and try to win on bread and butter issues instead. But there's certainly no sign of the roof failling in.
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Are these polls in any way weighted by 2014 referendum recall vote, or is that only used for when the Independence question is asked specifically?
ReplyDeleteHow long is it reasonable for the pollsters to continue to weight samples using this method, if they are continuing to do so?
They are fully weighted to 2014 referendum vote, so Holyrood intention is affected. There does seem to be evidence this is reducing calculated Yes / Yes party support.
DeleteWe will see in few weeks. If the pollsters get it wrong, they will update.
IPSOS MORI don't weight this way so maybe they are closer...?
So the pro & anti independence parties still polling essentially 50-50, as is the independence question itself.
ReplyDeleteThe more things change, the more they stay exactly the same!
I think the prior Savanta/Comres poll was just wrong - 9% for Others on the List?
ReplyDeleteI was expecting a Panelbase poll to appear having received an invite on Friday but not accepted once I put which electoral region I was in. Must be a lot of internal polling going on.
ReplyDeleteA fair amount of the postal votes will have been cast and do they align with the polls? We will have to wait and see.
PoP averages really do look a bit like voters took Salmond's advice to maximise pro-Yes MSPs and are voting Green on the list.
ReplyDeleteChuck in 3% for Alba concentrated in some regions yielding a seat or two, and while not delivering a fantasy 'supermajority', results could give fairly big one of variety.
Old Shirl Williams died a week ago. Which reminds me that when the SDP was created they were never of the TV and had massive coverage going into the 1983 election.
ReplyDeleteAnd that was despite being a proportionally smaller party than Alba.
The SMSM are and always have been the enemy. It was good to hear AS reflect on his mistakes to think that they would uphold their duty to fairness under electoral law in 2014, and that he wouldn't make the same mistake of treating journalists as human next time.
50% and a majority would do nicely. Fingers crossed for the 6th.
ReplyDeletePro-Independence parties 78 seats, Anti-Independece parties 51 seats
ReplyDeleteConstituency... Pro-Independence parties 52%, Anti-Independence parties 49%
List...Pro-Independence parties 48%, Anti-Independence parties 49%
Here Iam thinking the Westminster FPTP voting system is unbalanced, unfair and off kilter, and then i look at the Scottish voting system (see stats above)and i have ccome to the conclusion that neither system extols the virtues of a great voting system.Thoughts?
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The Holyrood system is a British one, designed by unionists. So it would be somewhat ironic for it to backfire. Of course under independence, the parliamentary system / constitution becomes matter for Scots. One of the reasons to vote for indy!
DeleteOf course matter how super democratic we might make Holyrood if we could, Scotland can't be democratic while it's under Westminster control. As we see, London just overrules it all the time, taking powers back as it sees fit, making a mockery of democracy.
However, that said, to date, the AMS system has actually only ever delivered something pretty close to PR, just as it was designed to. Only once has it ever delivered a single party majority and that was because the SNP did actually get >50% of PR list votes once those parties that failed to meet the threshold were eliminated. And that's key to understanding things. Under PR if you get 45% of votes but 10% of total votes went to minnows that failed to hit the threshold, you get 50% of (45% = half of 90%) votes that could for seat allocations.
Thresholds exist in all PR systems, so even full party list PR may deliver something that actually isn't proportional. In Scotland, the regional list means it is actually quite easy for minnows to get a seat as the 5% isn't national, but regional.
Your numbers do show that pro indy parties should get majority as have more support than the anti-indy parties, and a clear majority after threshold elimination. In terms of iref2, that's all the matters ultimately. For all other domestic legislation Holyrood works by consensus where a number of parties back bills. Legislation as a rule just isn't 'forced through'. As a result, 'strong (arm) government' isn't needed.
Anyway, vote Yes for more democracy!
Neither UK & Scots Parliament are proportional. In 2014 SNP was elected with a majority on just 45% of the vote, as did the Conservatives with 45% in 2019.
DeleteIt will be interesting to see vote shares vs seats again (my guess:50/50!)
I really like the AMS system, especially as it contains a constituency and regional link with elected representatives and their local areas. It also delivers some proportionality although as you've said this isn't perfect in any way. Personally I'd prefer to see the number of constituency and regional MSPs equalised instead of the 73/56 split at the moment. This would increase the proportionality by reducing the over representation caused by a greater balance towards first past the post. Plus they'll have more work to do after independence anyway.
Deletein 2014 SNP was elected with a majority on just 45% of the vote
DeleteThe SNP won 53% of seats on 51% of the PR list vote (after parties that did not make the 5% regional threshold were eliminated).
It was classic European social democratic PR. A world away from British FPTP.
There is no perfect voting system. Least of all any invented by Brit Nats designed to be less than democratic. Brit Nats and Tories hate democracy. They would rather not deal with any kind of democracy. The Brit Nats certainly hate the Holyrood System and fail to see the irony of the SNP wining with any systems designed to keep them out of Govt and stop them getting elected at all. Eff the Yoons. Of course the SNP has elections by the Holyrood System and FPTP and then refused to exercise their mandates anyway.So what does it really matter what system we use if the winning Parties the SNP in this case dont exercise their mandates.
DeleteSTV is and even more abysmal voting system.
‘The SNP won 53% of seats on 51% of the PR list vote (after parties that did not make the 5% regional threshold were eliminated).’
ReplyDelete...and 100% of those who voted voted for independence if you discount all the no voters!