"The BBC Prime Ministerial Debate"
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 6, 2019
Oh go away you chancers. This is not a presidential system. It's just a cover story to justify excluding most of the major party leaders.
Nick Robinson says he will ensure that the debate is "fair". Presumably Nicola Sturgeon, Jo Swinson and Sian Berry will shortly be ushered into the room, then. #BBCDebate
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 6, 2019
Boris Johnson using the platform the BBC have given him to attack Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP in his opening statement. Doubtless the BBC will now be ensuring fairness by clearing their schedules after the debate to give Ms Sturgeon a right of reply. Or perhaps not. #BBCDebate
— James Kelly (@JamesKelly) December 6, 2019
Didn't watch it, it just encourages them if you do.
ReplyDeleteI did not watch it as I was watching a documentary about those murdered by Franco. However Boris is our potential leader who will hopefully remove the UK from the fascist EU.
DeleteWere you in drag while you were watching it? Are you also called Annie Wells?
Delete"However Boris is our potential leader who will hopefully remove the UK from the fascist EU."
DeleteYes, of course. And when your dear leader sell your NHS to American Big Pharma you will blame the EU for that, as well. Right?
Absolutely guarantee GWC was wanking himself senseless whilst watching a documentary about fascists murdering people.
Delete"The execution of Catalan leader Companys..."
"Phwoar, my cock will be as hard as diamond after watching this separatist filth get his brains blown out. Yes baby, that's the stuff, spit on the filthy separatist's corpse, uhhh, UHHHHH, ARGHHHHLISTAIRDARLINGPUMMELLINGTHATCHERUPTHEARSE!"
A right of reply from Knickerless would mean a half days holiday and ear defenders.
ReplyDeleteAre you in drag again?
DeleteHis maw made him dress in drag when he was a little boy. That's why he is screwed up like a yank serial killer.
DeleteBoris Johnson is a gutless coward little boy using the broadcasters to protect him from real people by threatening to remove their licence to broadcast
ReplyDeleteThere was once a german guy who did that to his country too
There is a German wummin who wants Scotland and surrounding satellites to join the Forth Reich. Zeig Heil Jocks youz are velcome in der fatherland uber alles.
DeleteDon't worry comrade. When Batyushka Boris will sell NHS to Trump and Insurance companies you will blame the EU for that, as usual.
DeleteThe point about leaving the EU is not blaming them. We will have left. However the Scottish Nat si will continue to blame the English if we get independence. Jocks are natural moaners.
DeleteJames, am I right in thinking none of the Scottish papers, Record, Herald, Scotsman etc have conducted a poll this election? If so is that a first in modern times? Is it the end of the print media in elections?
ReplyDeleteAlthough a travesty of democracy, on this occasion I thought Johnson and Corbyn have ground to a standstill. I don't sense the same feel of Corbyn momentum in 2017, when he was newly exposed to the electorate.
ReplyDeleteTo me it didn't feel like so much of a win-win for the big 2. As much as anything it felt like is that the best we've got?
Difficult for Johnson to handle actual questions when his boss Dominic Cummings isn't handy to tell him the answers
ReplyDeleteI haven't watched a single debate across any of the channels, a first for me. Far too many of them anyway, one per major channel (BBC, ITV, C4) would have been more than enough. Do we have viewing figure for any of the debates as I'd be interested to see just how many people, unlike me, took the time to watch them.
ReplyDeleteI think the rigged ITV debate a few weeks ago got 7 million viewers, so a little over 10% of the population. But far more will have seen clips afterwards, or read about it in the papers.
DeleteIt may be difficult for non-viewers to discern which clips came from which debates/interviews, when they see them on their social media feeds of wherever else. And given all of the leaders have appeared in various debates and so many clips flying around, the impact is lessened.
DeleteIts' not 2010 territory anymore or even 2015 when Sturgeon and to a lesser extent Wood burst on to the UK scene. Media is now much more individualised and consumed in a much more on-demand fashion.
The potential impact of 'big' live TV events is therefore much less than it was, as it's the clips and the edits that will be more widely viewed.
Having said that however, had Sturgeon matched up against Corbyn & Johnson, without the noise of the other party leaders, I think it would have been very, very favourable for the SNP.
Unfortunately the BBC's 'reputation in Scotland' doesn't matter. What matters is its reputation among the 20% of Scots voters who use it as their main news source, and with them it remains unimpeachable. I used to think that that demographic would never support independence until Tories in fox-funting gear were shooting them in the streets but after hearing some recent vox-pops from people who would rather die from starvation, homelessness and loss of essential medicines than lose the Precious Union and Blessed Brexit, even that little chink of light has disappeared.
ReplyDeleteYour regular reminder that this election will only result in the UK constitutional (and socio-economic) crisis becoming much, much worse.
ReplyDeleteThere is no possible outcome whereby a happy unionist Britain sales off into the sunset.
Scottish unionists should not hope for any particular party to win, but pray they wake up in the morning and the last 70 odd years of union decline that brought us to this neck deep in the shit point were all a dream.
There is now net emigration of skilled workers out of the UK, beginning in the spring of this year.
ReplyDeleteThere is no darker sign for a country's future than that.
Over 100k left in search of a better life to end September.
DeleteThe British nationalist BBC is disappearing up its own self-regarding arse.
ReplyDeleteBoycott all British nationalist media. Don't give them your money.
The Herald online reporting that a YouGov poll for The Times shows support for independence falling.
ReplyDeleteNow what a surprise. The weekend before a GE where the SNP are set to gain seats and the Tories set to lose some in Scotland and a Yoon rag publishes an independence poll. And what a bigger surprise independence support is falling.
DeleteWhy I am not in the least bit surprised.
Statistically, this looks like a freak / outlier, as probability dictates will happen from time to time.
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The fact that SNP is on 44% in the same poll reinforces this, as the %Y vs %SNP data point is way off the normal linear relationship between these two for Yougov (R2 = 0.86).
If the %SNP had fallen with the %Y, that would suggest Yes falling. Not the case. Likewise, if %N had increased, that would likewise suggest Yes weakening. Again, this isn't the case, and the %Y fall mainly moves to DK. Possible, but suggests more sampling a sampling variation.
So, unless we have another couple of polls showing exactly the same thing, this one has to be ignored as an outlier, as is the case for every poll in isolation.
Of course while it might be a little worrying for Yes (albeit there is no referendum planned in the next few months so it's not really important), it's actually, in the context of all the other polls, more worrying for No. This is because it shows SNP on 44% for a based that is unusually low in Yes voters / more pro-union (certainly true based on tables). That would imply if the poll had picked out a base which was more reflective of reality (as polling averages conclude), SNP share could be notably higher than 44% for Westminster, and more like 2015. That would not disagree with trends to date of movement to SNP as voting day approaches.
Certainly, if only 44% Yes is delivering 44% SNP, then a more correct 50% Yes base would mean.... aye, you guessed it.
Only time will tell.
The alternative is that Yougov doesn't want Scottish indy and it's never been more of a threat than it is right now.
DeleteHowever, they need to accurately predict December 12th, at least within MoE, as their business is built on such things.
Westminster VI must be bang on, but Yes can fall within MoE to take the wind out of SNP sails. They just need to be correct for Yes a few days before iref2.
It's not as if Yougov are not known for trying to set agendas.
The Yougov actually fits nicely into the steady weakening of No over the course of this year.
DeleteIt's even more worrying for No here too in the sense this poll does seem freakishly low for Yes.
With such a low Yes in the base, unionist should be looking for a boost to No, but that's not the case.
http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-you-vote-in-the-in-a-scottish-independence-referendum-if-held-now-ask#line
It would be very strange if yes has suddenly fallen considering Ipsos Mori showed 50% in line with the trend just last week. One thing I would suggest is that as minds focus on the GE, many people may think Corbyn will become PM or Brexit will be stopped. I remember in 2017 the final poll saw the SNP and support for indepndence both falling to 39% but afterwards things returned to normal. Otherwise it maybe is just an outlier or something else has happened.
DeleteGoing back to the election seat wise im going for:
ReplyDeleteSNP: 44
Conservative: 9
Labour: 2
Lib Dem: 4
with the caveat that three more seats could easily swing from Conservative to SNP if things pan out right
What is to stop an organisation registering thousands of mobile phone numbers, then calling those numbers to get the result they want?
ReplyDeleteAt this point in the campaign the issue of the "Prime Ministerial debate" is likely less of convincing voters to change camps, but more one of convincing core support to come out and vote. Supporters of Johnson or Corbyn watch this debate and have a reinforcement of their views and encouragement to come out to vote. Not having other parties on the platform causes their supporters to lack this reinforcement (all it creates is a negativity to Johnson/Corbyn) and even encourages disengagement (as per other posts on this thread). This then threatens turnout, although not intrinsic support. This is especially problematic for the SNP where many supporters, obviously, want nothing to do with Westminster in the first place.
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