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Saturday, March 5, 2016
YouGov eccentrically release four EU referendum polls all at once
Strangely, though, this can't be taken as an indication that online polling from other firms will necessarily show the same trend. The fieldwork for the first two of the four newly-released polls either preceded or overlapped with the fieldwork for the most recent ICM online poll, which not only failed to show a swing to Remain, but was actually the joint second-best poll for Leave that ICM have produced. Perhaps that poll will turn out to be a red herring, but it's at least possible that YouGov and ICM are parting company on the trend in the same way that Ipsos-Mori and ComRes have done recently on the telephone side of the divide.
As you'd expect, the release of four new polls in one go has had a telling impact on the Poll of Polls, with Remain nudging back into the lead on the online average...
SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
50/50 ONLINE/TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 45.8% (-0.1)
Leave 38.6% (-0.9)
ONLINE AVERAGE :
Remain 40.7% (-0.3)
Leave 39.8% (-1.9)
TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 50.8% (n/c)
Leave 37.3% (n/c)
(The Poll of Polls takes account of all polls that were conducted at least partly within the last month. The online average is based on thirteen polls - six from YouGov, four from ICM, one from ORB, one from BMG and one from TNS. The telephone average is based on four polls - two from ComRes, one from Ipsos-Mori and one from Survation.)
Tuesday, March 1, 2016
Dazzling double-header of Holyrood polls suggests SNP support is soaring into the stratosphere
Let's start with the TNS poll, because the numbers are pretty extraordinary -
Labour 21% (n/c)
Conservatives 13% (-4)
Liberal Democrats 4% (+1)
Regional list ballot :
SNP 55% (+3)
Labour 21% (+2)
Conservatives 13% (-4)
Greens 6% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 4% (-2)
It's not unheard of for the SNP to break the 60% barrier in TNS polls, but the only previous times they've done it were in three consecutive polls during their post-election honeymoon last spring and summer. After that, they slipped down to a consistent range of 56-58%, so today's finding is a bit unexpected. It could be a freak result caused by a weird sample, but it has to be said that there have been several recent polls from a variety of firms showing at least a small increase in SNP support. It could be real, therefore, but if so, it's quite hard to pinpoint where the extra support is coming from. Superficially, this poll would leave you with the impression that it's coming direct from the Tories, but for obvious reasons that's highly unlikely.
It's certainly not clear that it's coming from Labour, because the other big story of the TNS poll is that last month's swing from Labour to Tory (which at the time seemed to corroborate evidence from other pollsters) now looks like a mirage. Labour have been restored to a commanding 8% lead for second-place, both on the constituency ballot and the all-important list ballot. Ipsos-Mori have shown a similar trend - a big Tory surge in one poll followed by slippage in the next, so it's not impossible there was a genuine (albeit transitory) spike in support for the Tories, but I can't think of any obvious reason for the timing of it.
I'm now back to my original view that the bookies' very generous odds on Labour finishing second are practically free money. (The operative word being 'practically', and I'm far too risk-averse to go down that road myself!)
TNS are always the firm that causes the greatest excitement amongst the "tactical voting" brigade, because they consistently show much higher SNP figures than anyone else, leaving the impression that we're heading for a complete "yellow-wash" in the constituency seats.. They're a 'real world' pollster, of course (they conduct interviews face-to-face), so it's perfectly conceivable that they're getting it right and everyone else is getting it wrong. But the most important reason for a degree of scepticism is that the other 'real world' firm (Ipsos-Mori) have slotted in at the other end of the spectrum, and have shown the SNP as 'low' as 50% - as have Panelbase and YouGov. If the true figure slipped down to the high 40s, we'd be well into territory where the SNP might need list seats to retain their majority. On the basis of 45% of the constituency vote last time, they won just 53 of the 73 constituency seats, meaning they required a minimum of 12 list seats for a majority (they got 16).
To return to the point that I raised a number of times in my debate with Tommy Sheridan, the evidence is pretty clear that a so-called "tactical vote" on the list for either RISE or Solidarity is highly likely to be wasted and might as well be thrown in the bin. (The only possible exception is in the Glasgow electoral region, where it's conceivable that Solidarity has a small concentration of support that the polls are unable to pick up.) On the headline figures, the TNS poll found just one respondent who is minded to vote Solidarity, and just one respondent who is minded to vote SSP. That works out as 0.2% of the list vote for both parties. UKIP, you'll be pleased to hear, find themselves in precisely the same predicament.
Let's turn now to the Survation poll -
Labour 21% (-1)
Conservatives 16% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 5% (-1)
Regional list ballot :
SNP 43% (-2)
Labour 19% (+1)
Conservatives 14% (-1)
Greens 9% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 7% (+1)
UKIP 6% (n/c)
The fly in the ointment here is that the SNP's list vote has once again slipped below the 44% achieved in the 2011 election. That could be slightly ominous if it turns out that list seats are required for a majority, although in all probability Survation are overestimating how many SNP constituency voters are likely to switch to the Greens on the list. John Curtice thinks that the question Survation ask is leading respondents to wrongly think that the list vote is some sort of second preference vote. If you look at the exact wording used, it's a debatable point -
"Your second vote will be a party list vote to elect representatives from your region of Scotland by a form of proportional representation. If the election were tomorrow, which party would you be most likely to vote for with your second, regional list vote?"
Arguably the second use of the word "second" is a bit redundant. Whatever the explanation, though, the empirical evidence is that Survation are showing a wildly implausible gap between the SNP's constituency and list share of the vote, which in turn makes it pretty likely that something is going wrong and that the Greens (and probably UKIP as well) are being significantly overestimated on the list.
This poll doesn't show quite as big a gap between Labour and Tory as TNS does, but nevertheless the Labour advantage has widened on the list vote, which adds to the weight of evidence that the Tories are highly unlikely to claim the runner-up spot (barring a total Labour meltdown beyond even anything we've seen thus far).
Minor party news : Survation don't ask about Solidarity or RISE, but the "another party" option claims just 1.1% of the list vote.
By far the most amusing and satisfying detail of this poll, which was commissioned by the Mail, is that it shows a plurality of support for the BBC replacing the network Six O'Clock News with a "Scottish Six" produced in Glasgow and tailored for a Scottish audience. 36% of respondents supported the idea, and only 33% were opposed. The Mail, of course, have been wrongly telling us for days that the people of Scotland don't want the Scottish Six.
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SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
Constituency ballot :
SNP 53.4% (+0.8)
Labour 20.4% (-0.2)
Conservatives 16.4% (-0.8)
Liberal Democrats 5.4% (n/c)
Regional list ballot :
SNP 47.4% (+0.2)
Labour 19.6% (+0.6)
Conservatives 15.8% (-1.0)
Greens 6.4% (n/c)
Liberal Democrats 6.2% (-0.2)
Monday, February 29, 2016
"Leave" campaign narrows the gap to just 6.4% in latest EU referendum Poll of Polls
There have been a couple of online polls published since I last updated the referendum Poll of Polls. ORB have Leave in a 52-48 lead, which is at the upper end of their normal range for Leave, but on the other hand BMG have Remain in a 3-point lead, which is at the upper end of their (relatively narrow) normal range for Remain. Taking the two together, then, it looks like the changes are probably meaningless margin of error 'noise' - but what we really need is another telephone poll, ideally from Ipsos-Mori, because the last two ComRes polls have suggested Remain's big telephone lead may have slipped, even as the online state of play remained fairly steady.
The gap between Remain and Leave on the headline 50/50 online/telephone average is down to just 6.4%, which is the lowest figure since the Poll of Polls started. That's been caused purely by two Remain-friendly telephone polls from January dropping out of the sample.
SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
50/50 ONLINE/TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 45.9% (n/c)
Leave 39.5% (+0.7)
ONLINE AVERAGE :
Remain 41.0% (+1.0)
Leave 41.7% (+1.0)
TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 50.8% (-1.0)
Leave 37.3% (+0.5)
(The Poll of Polls takes account of all polls that were conducted at least partly within the last month. The online average is based on nine polls - four from ICM, two from YouGov, one from ORB, one from BMG and one from TNS. The telephone average is based on four polls - two from ComRes, one from Ipsos-Mori and one from Survation.)
Friday, February 26, 2016
In case you missed it : the debate on the voting system between myself and Tommy Sheridan
If you didn't catch the live debate about the Holyrood voting system between myself and Tommy Sheridan earlier, it's available to watch at your leisure HERE.
The rest of my evening has been dominated by Eurovision and rugby. I am absolutely dumbfounded by the public's choice for the UK's Eurovision entry. Just for once, I had been totally relaxed about the outcome - there was no John Barrowman on the "experts' panel" steering the public towards the wrong decision, and yet somehow they managed to screw it up all by themselves. I can only assume it was a young female audience voting for good-looking guys, regardless of the song.
I don't think Bianca's song (which was so obviously the best of the six, it was almost painful) was quite a Eurovision winner, but with good staging it might have had an outside chance. Ah well. At least nobody will have to worry about success at Eurovision influencing the EU referendum one way or the other!
Wednesday, February 24, 2016
Friday, 6.45pm : I'll be debating Tommy Sheridan on live-stream
Cacophonic ComRes contribution conceivably confirms that the EU referendum gap has contracted
The reason? ComRes conducted their poll by telephone, and it's extremely unusual for a telephone poll to produce a Remain lead as low as 12 points. In fact, over the last few months there has only been one other phone poll that showed a Remain lead of lower than 15 points, and that was the most recent ComRes poll from earlier this month. So we do now have one phone pollster that is pointing in successive polls to at least a moderate narrowing of the gap since the shape of the deal began to become known. Ipsos-Mori have so far failed to corroborate that trend, but there has only been one recent Ipsos-Mori poll, so it's possible it will still happen.
The online YouGov poll is less encouraging for Leave because it shows the state of play firmly back into the 'normal range' for online pollsters, after a brief period when it looked like Leave had achieved a telling swing on the back of the reaction against the emerging deal. The last two online ICM polls have also shown a return to business as usual, and that's probably not a coincidence. So we could - and it's still only a possibility - be starting to see an indyref-style convergence between telephone and online polls, with the Remain lead drifting downwards in the telephone polls, while the online polls show a broadly static position.
There's a new article on the YouGov website suggesting that the massive divergence between telephone and online polls can be mostly explained by the reluctance of some people to admit to a telephone interviewer that they are undecided, and their inclination to instead opt for the easy answer of saying they support the status quo. That's just speculation, but it is consistent with the fact that there are significantly fewer Don't Knows in telephone polls (which is the complete opposite of what you'd normally expect). If there's any truth in that theory, it means the sizeable Remain lead in phone polls could be quite soft, and it also means there's no reason to suppose that online and phone polls will show the same trend over the remainder of the campaign - a dramatic convergence could be on the cards as the 'knee-jerk Remains' among telephone respondents start to give more considered answers. We may be starting to see the very early signs of that.
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SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
50/50 ONLINE/TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 45.9% (-0.8)
Leave 38.8% (-0.4)
ONLINE AVERAGE :
Remain 40.0% (-1.4)
Leave 40.7% (-1.2)
TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 51.8% (-0.2)
Leave 36.8% (+0.4)
(The Poll of Polls takes account of all polls that were conducted at least partly within the last month. The online average is based on ten polls - five from ICM, three from YouGov, one from BMG and one from TNS. The telephone average is based on six polls - three from ComRes, two from Ipsos-Mori and one from Survation.)
Tuesday, February 23, 2016
Yes campaign's legacy is now secure
Monday, February 22, 2016
For the attention of Boris Johnson : your cut-out-and-keep guide to the overwhelming evidence that Scotland will NOT vote in line with the rest of the UK in the EU referendum
"I also accept there is a risk that a vote to Leave the EU, as it currently stands, will cause fresh tensions in the union between England and Scotland. On the other hand, most of the evidence I have seen suggests that the Scots will vote on roughly the same lines as the English."
Luckily for all of us, the evidence on this subject is publicly available, and to state the bleedin' obvious, "most" of it does not suggest that Scotland is in line with English public opinion. In fact, absolutely all of it suggests the complete opposite.
SCOTLAND : AVERAGE OF LAST THREE ONLINE POLLS
Remain 53.7%
Leave 28.3%
BRITAIN-WIDE : AVERAGE OF LAST THREE ONLINE POLLS
Remain 40.0%
Leave 40.0%
Remain lead in Scotland is 25.4%
Remain lead across Britain is 0.0%
Remain lead in Scotland is 25.4% higher than in Britain as a whole
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SCOTLAND : AVERAGE OF LAST THREE TELEPHONE/FACE-TO-FACE POLLS
Remain 57.0%
Leave 23.0%
BRITAIN-WIDE : AVERAGE OF LAST THREE TELEPHONE/FACE-TO-FACE POLLS
Remain 50.3%
Leave 36.7%
Remain lead in Scotland is 34.0%
Remain lead across Britain is 13.6%
Remain lead in Scotland is 20.4% higher than in Britain as a whole
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Now, to be fair, full-scale EU referendum polls are conducted less frequently in Scotland than across Britain, so the above numbers aren't directly comparable - some of the Scottish fieldwork is quite a bit older, which might potentially give a distorted impression. But that's where the Scottish subsamples of Britain-wide polls come in so handy...
Ipsos-Mori telephone poll (13th-16th February) :
Across Britain, the Remain lead was 18%
In Scotland, the Remain lead was 57%
Remain lead in Scotland was 39% higher than in Britain as a whole
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TNS online poll (11th-15th February) :
Across Britain, the Leave lead was 3%
In Scotland, the Remain lead was 25%
Remain lead in Scotland was 28% higher than in Britain as a whole
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ICM online poll (12th-14th February) :
Across Britain, the Remain lead was 4%
In Scotland, the Remain lead was 19%
Remain lead in Scotland was 15% higher than in Britain as a whole
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ComRes telephone poll (11th-14th February) :
Across Britain, the Remain lead was 8%
In Scotland, the Remain lead was 28%
Remain lead in Scotland was 20% higher than in Britain as a whole
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On and on it goes. Heaven only knows what "most of the evidence" is showing on Planet Boris, but back here in the real world it's pointing in one direction only. There are two realistic outcomes - either a) Britain will vote to Remain, and Scotland will vote to Remain by a much bigger margin, or b) Britain will vote to Leave, and Scotland will vote to Remain. We all know what the likely consequences of the latter would be.
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Many thanks to the 577 people who voted in this blog's readers' poll yesterday. 87.7% of you want the UK to remain in the EU, while 12.3% of you want to leave. That's almost identical to the result of the previous poll a few months ago (although the Remain lead has grown very slightly).
Sunday, February 21, 2016
VOTE : Have you changed your mind about the EU referendum?
I thought it might be interesting to repeat the exercise, because we now know the package we'll be voting on, the date of the referendum, the Rogue's Gallery of Tories that will be lining up on both sides, and there's also been a long-overdue discussion about the fact that an unintentional side-effect of Brexit would be a substantial and more-or-less automatic increase in the Scottish Parliament's powers.
You can find the voting form at the top of the sidebar (desktop version of the site only), and the poll will close overnight.
Implausible Welsh figures put a slight question mark on first post-agreement EU referendum poll
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? (Survation, telephone)
Remain 47.6%
Leave 33.2%
With Don't Knows excluded, that's a 59-41 lead for Remain, which is roughly similar to the advantage the Better Together campaign enjoyed among the three No-friendly pollsters with a few weeks to go until the independence referendum. The important difference with 2014, of course, is that the Leave campaign already have a small outright lead in the polls that tend to be most favourable for them (ie. online polls).
The oddest feature of the Survation datasets is that Wales, not Scotland, is the region of the UK with the biggest Remain lead. That doesn't tally up with the polling evidence we've already seen that suggests public opinion on the EU in Wales is roughly the same as in England. OK, freakish subsamples can even themselves out within a poll, but the fact that the raw Welsh sample has had to be sharply upweighted from 34 to 63 isn't ideal. It's not impossible that the sampling issues in Wales may have led to the overall Remain lead being slightly overstated.
If the rumours that Boris Johnson will declare for Leave today are true, Survation's figures will soon look out of date anyway, and we'll start looking ahead to the first post-Boris poll. I know that very few people who read this blog rate the guy, but if he actually fronts the campaign and represents it in high-profile TV debates, I think that could make a huge difference and potentially swing the balance. Apart from charisma, he brings a bit of optimism and sunshine to the table - the six Tory cabinet ministers who came out for Leave yesterday look like such a dreary bunch in comparison.
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SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
50/50 ONLINE/TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 46.7% (-0.8)
Leave 39.2% (-0.7)
ONLINE AVERAGE :
Remain 41.4% (-0.6)
Leave 41.9% (-0.5)
TELEPHONE AVERAGE :
Remain 52.0% (-1.0)
Leave 36.4% (-0.9)
(The Poll of Polls takes account of all polls that were conducted at least partly within the last month. The online average is based on nine polls - four from ICM, two from YouGov, one from BMG, one from ORB and one from TNS. The telephone average is based on five polls - two from ComRes, two from Ipsos-Mori and one from Survation.)