It's only around six months since the controversial and increasingly far-right Somerset-based blogger Stuart "Stew" Campbell told us that we had to vote against the SNP on the list because voting for them would be pointless - there was "zero" chance of a pro-independence majority in Holyrood next year. That was Version 1. And it's only four weeks since Stew told us that we had to vote against the SNP on the list because there was a 100% chance of a pro-independence majority in Holyrood next year, due to the fact that the SNP were guaranteed to win at least "65 constituency seats", meaning any SNP list votes would be "wasted". That was Version 2.
As I pointed out a few days ago, the Hamilton by-election result completely eviscerated Stew's Version 2 claim that the SNP were certain to win 65 constituency seats and thus destroyed the whole basis of his Version 2 argument for "tactical voting on the list". And as I also pointed out, this made it absolutely inevitable that sooner or later we'd be getting Version 3 from Stew of why we definitely mustn't vote for the SNP on the list, which would be completely different from Version 1 and Version 2, and would be thrillingly much more complex than either of its predecessors because it would have to be somewhere in the middle, ie. it would need to be predicated on the assumption of the SNP doing neither outstandingly well nor particularly badly.
He's got cracking early, and it must have taken him ages, because he's given a new prediction for each and every individual constituency. Presumably having realised he was going to have to contradict himself yet again, and so soon after the last time, he decided he could only hope to maintain even a veneer of credibility if he went into much more detail than before.
So of course the first thing I looked at was his new prediction for East Lothian, which he had previously listed as one of his 65 guaranteed SNP wins, even though I pointed out to him repeatedly that the opinion polls clearly showed Labour were likely to gain it by some distance. Has he at last given up the ghost on this one? Well, yes he has, but in doing so he has put forward such a clueless and factually inaccurate reasoning that all but his most brainwashed cult followers will stop listening to him from this point on -
"Ah, the East Lothian Question. A certain self-described “expert” analyst is very excited about this one, and it undoubtedly represents a strong possibility for Labour, in the sense that if they can’t take East Lothian, they probably can’t take anywhere.
Actual current national polling says the SNP will hold it (since the fall in their support since 2021 is almost precisely identical to Labour’s), but the Labour, Tory and Lib Dem vote combined here was almost 10,000 higher than the SNP’s, so let’s give the baby his bottle and chalk another one up for Anas Sarwar’s boys."
WHAT? The fall in SNP support since 2021 is "identical" to the fall in Labour support? Let's take this nice and slowly, Stew. The SNP's national vote share in 2021 was 47.7%, an all-time record high, and Labour's was 21.6%, an all-time record low. The last few opinion polls show the SNP's vote share at somewhere between 33% and 36%, which is a drop of between 12 and 15 percentage points since 2021. And they show Labour's vote share at somewhere between 19% and 22%, which at the lower end is a drop of only three points since 2021, and at the higher end is a no change position. That is why all projections based on opinion polls show the ultra-marginal seat of East Lothian as an overwhelmingly likely Labour gain from the SNP. That's what the projections show now, and that's what they showed four weeks ago when Stew first made his bonkers claim that the polls were somehow pointing to an SNP hold in East Lothian.
Although it's always been obvious that Stew's "psephological analyses" are propaganda-driven and wildly divorced from reality, I must say I had always assumed that he at least understood the basics perfectly well, and that he was just bluffing his way through and hoping no-one checked the details of his deceitful claims too closely. But in this case it really does look like he doesn't have a sodding clue what the 2021 baseline numbers are, and that all of the thousands of words he's written to try to support his case for tactical voting on the list have been based on the schoolboy howler false premise that Labour's vote is down by just as much as the SNP's since 2021. In all seriousness, Stew fans: how did you manage to read that East Lothian prediction without bursting into hysterical laughter? And having gained that insight into his utter cluelessness, how did you carry on reading the other predictions with a straight face?
Given that he seems to have armed himself with such a wonky abacus, you won't be surprised to hear that many of his other predictions and reasonings are similarly nutty. Here are the most dodgy ones -
* He has Aberdeenshire West, Eastwood and Galloway & West Dumfries as SNP gains from the Conservatives, when in fact current polling suggests a net swing from SNP to Tory, meaning all of these seats are likely to be retained by the Conservatives
* He has Aberdeenshire East, Aberdeen South & North Kincardine, Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr as SNP holds, when in fact current polling suggests all of these seats are likely Conservative gains
And it's not just projections from opinion polls that point to likely Tory resilience in battleground areas - that pattern was clearly already visible in last year's general election when the Tories were holding seats they should really have lost on nationwide trends. Where they were able to credibly portray themselves as the only hope of keeping the SNP out, they were successful - with the obvious exception of Aberdeenshire North & Moray East, but even there Douglas Ross came much closer to holding the seat than should ever have been possible in the circumstances.
Of course what Stew is engaged in here is an attempt to get his "projected" SNP constituency numbers as high as possible (while making a few grudging concessions such as East Lothian and Hamilton itself to try to avoid looking like a complete idiot), so he can claim that the SNP won't win any compensatory list seats and thus any SNP list votes will be wasted. But nothing has changed since Version 2, Stew - your numbers still don't add up. The only thing that has changed is that it now looks like you don't even know that your numbers don't add up.
UPDATE: The Sage of Bath has seen this blogpost and hurriedly deleted the key section of his East Lothian prediction. Don't worry, Stew, I took the precaution of taking a screenshot of the incriminating evidence...
Campbell has just admitted on Twitter that he did make the mistake you identified, James, and has also admitted editing it out. But he dismissively says "not that it makes any difference". That means ALL of his constituency predictions are based on him measuring from baseline figures of Labour 35%, SNP 30%, rather than the correct baseline figures of SNP 48%, Labour 22%.
ReplyDeleteAnd everyone is supposed to just nod along and say "oh well, minor error, easily done, no biggie"? Come on. There comes a point where this stuff is just embarrassing. Campbell should stick to what he's good at: video games and transphobia.
I should clarify: the reason we know he was measuring from baseline figures of Labour 35%, SNP 30% is that he says he got mixed up between the 2021 Holyrood results and 2024 Westminster results.
DeleteOh well that's fine, Stuart, say no more! Not like there was much difference between those two elections...
I still don't get it. How would what the Rev said about East Lothian make sense even if he got 2021 and 2024 mixed up? If he's calculating from 2024, Labour are down 15-20 points and the SNP are up slightly. There's no "identical fall" for both parties.
DeleteGood point. Even the excuse makes no sense.
DeleteI always get a little chuckle out of it when I see Mr Campbell has added the "psephology" label to one of his articles. He thinks he's John Curtice, but his casual correction today is rather like Curtice saying "we'll have to scrap the exit poll, because I've just noticed I was calculating from the 2019 European elections by mistake, sorry about that".
ReplyDelete😂
Indeed. He's humiliated himself. (But is he intelligent enough to realise that?)
DeleteNo wonder RevStu didn't see the Hamilton by-election result coming!
ReplyDeleteLOL
DeleteCamlbell's only real talent is preaching no-hope garbage to his dwindling bunch of gullible galoots.
ReplyDeleteStuart Campbell needs professional psychiatric help. I'm sorry if that offends anyone but I'm just saying what everyone knows.
ReplyDeleteHasn't Campbell already said that he would not want Scotland to be independent if that meant another SNP Scottish government and didn't he previously encourage pro independence folk to actually leave Scotland itself?
ReplyDeleteAllied to his pretty obvious present support for staunch unionist party Reform UK, it really makes you wonder just what else he has to say before his small clique of true believers open their eyes to the waste of space he really is.
But the point is not how accurate his predictions are but that given these predictions, there is no point in voting for SNP on the list. He is right if there can be hard confidence in prediction, you are if there cannot.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but that's nonsense. If his predictions are based on a wholly false premise, as they are, then the implications for the list ballot if those predictions are accurate are completely irrelevant. You may as well ask about the implications for the list ballot if a series of totally random numbers happen to be accurate by chance.
Delete"He is right if there can be hard confidence in prediction"
DeleteWell how many predictions are you referring to? For Campbell to be right, not only would his constituency predictions have to be precisely accurate (and those really are junk predictions), but his assumptions of a relatively low SNP list vote would also have to be accurate. It's a statement of the obvious to say that if the SNP perform poorly on the list vote, they won't get many list seats. The simple solution to that problem is for more people to vote SNP on the list, but that's exactly what Campbell is telling people not to do. It's an absurdly circular argument.
That is not quite true. There is still a point in looking at liminal cases i.e at what set of predicted outcomes would it become pointless to vote SNP on the list. Once that has been established you can ask with what sort of confidence can you outcomes results in that territory. Your answer is assume , 'not much''. That might be right but it would not negate the point that there is a set of outcomes, where that would be the case. they might be vanishing likely but not impossible
ReplyDeleteWhere does he say that he's presenting a liminal case, designed simply to prove a theoretical concept? He doesn't. His predictions are supposed to be hard predictions rooted in solid evidence (although in reality they're anything but).
DeleteYou're trying to get him off the hook by turning his point into something it's not.
Campbells in the soup again.
ReplyDeleteif everyone voted SNP they would win
ReplyDeletefact
I would love to see the day when the SNP take all 129 seats at Holyrood and all 56 seats at westminster.
ReplyDelete- the still find some fucking excuse not to go for indy
"the english say we're not allowed"
"they are better than us"
"they went to private school"
what happens if you vote SNP
ReplyDeleteON THE LIST ONLY
I bet the yoons never thought of that one
if no one votes SNP on the constituency can you imagine how big their fudge factor will be
I like Mr Campbell's predictions because they remind me of Mystic Meg. Aberdeenshire West, Dumfries & Galloway and Easrwood will be celebrating toooo!
ReplyDeleteIf I thought voting SNP would get rid of Jackson Carlaw as my Eastwood Constituency MSP I would most definitely do it. Carlaw is a big supporter of Israel's right to commit genocide by whatever means. Carlaw courts the Jewish Giffnock vote. A disgusting human being. I would just have to accept that it will make some anon SNP carrot munching numpty happy as a price to pay to get rid of that shit Carlaw.
DeleteJust remember it would not be a positive vote for the devolutionist SNP and I certainly would not vote SNP on the regional list.
I foresee a blogger, not tall dark and handsome like an Italian, but of average height, scrawny with a wispy beard from a snooty part of England, make a twit of himself with unhinged predictions.
Deleteoff topic. I had dug out an old laptop today and tried it out to check if it was still up to scratch - it was. However, on my favourites I found a link to Broadcasting Scotland and when I clicked on it found it was still going. I had assumed it had folded. Does anyone watch the channel? It strikes me as odd that this never really took off. Surely the likes of James's podcasts (and possibly others) could help bolster their content.
ReplyDeleteMaree Todd was terrible on Debate Night. Todd says Swinney is doing well and is for independence and she has no idea who the 25 in the SNP are. I guess she has to say that as Swinney is her boss.
ReplyDeleteBrian Cox said that the SNP have been knobbled. He is not the only one who thinks this. He is not happy with the progress on independence.
Cox also said that a genocide is happening in Gaza. The opinion of the Scottish public in the audience couldn't have been clearer. Israel are murdering children. Labour have blood on their hands as they still support Israel and arm them. The politicians are miles behind the public. People are sick of the slaughter and the barbaric blockade of aid.
@IFS 10.23PM
DeleteWhen Brian Cox said he believed the SNP had been nobbled he clearly meant by the organisation employing the presenter of the programme, but if he'd said it then he'd be the next to be nobbled by that same organisation to never appear on TV again
Why are you twisting the obvious once again to suit you're anti SNP agenda?
Anon at 10.25 am says " he clearly " oh no he didn't say anything of the sort you are suggesting. The only one doing the twisting is you anon. It's only an obvious interpretation to you anon. One you made up in your mind.
DeleteI didn't twist anything. I just said Cox said the SNP had been knobbled and thats exactly what he said. Read my post again ya diddy.
Poor ifs. Nothing new to say.
ReplyDeletePoor anon nothing to say. What a waste of space.
DeleteIdiot for Scotland still harping on about NS. He must have been asleep when the police, after a lengthy, exhaustive and expensive (not to mention politically motivated) criminal investigation found no grounds to proceed against N S. Such a shame Idiot for Scotland didn’t submit all the detailed information he apparently holds about N S. It’s almost as though he made things up and has no information. Perish the thought.
ReplyDeleteMany Sturgeon supporters make the accusation that the police investigation was politically motivated without any evidence. They seem to forget her husband was charged. At the same time many still cast aspersions at Salmond, when there's overwhelming evidence the whole thing was politically motivated. As to the SNP they have definitely been nobbled, they did it to themselves.
DeleteIdiot for Sturgeon at 11.35am stop repeating the same lies. I have posted many times why you are posting lies. You are simply a liar. No better than papers like the Express.
DeleteYou say in your post the police found no grounds to proceed against NS. A straightforward lie. The Police passed a file to COFPS on Sturgeon's activities and COPFS then took more than 6 months to take a decision. The same COPFS who report to the Lord Advocate who Sturgeon appointed and Swinney is the Lord Advocates current boss.
Also as WT reminds you, as I have done on numerous occasions, Sturgeon's husband has been charged with embezzlement. Sturgeon was his boss when he was SNP Chief Exec. She is responsible for any wrong doing as much as him.
Finally, once again you prattle on about me holding detailed info on Sturgeon. That is just made up lies by you - Liar for Sturgeon.
Perish the thought that you may some day post a comment without it containing a barrage of lies.
Anon @11.35am you say IFS is “ still harping on about NS”. Yet IFS does not mention NS in any of his posts btl. That makes you look like a liar and a shit stirrer.
DeleteCheck again moron. And move away from the mirror.
DeleteAnon at 3.25. Try again. Silly billy.
DeleteWrong, moron. Look again.
DeleteIFS. No action against N S. Fact. Unless your imaginary evidence says otherwise. Guilt by association? . Is that your new position? Your wee pal can support you all he wants. There is plenty to criticise N S for. You and your pal don’t seem able to understand this. You spend your time on here badmouthing. Troll. Back to reading your Mail/Express and beg the fake revolution to take you back.
ReplyDeleteTroll @3.58pm You seem to be pretty thick. If you are the leader of a party and you are married to the Chief Exec it is your responsibility to ensure that no funds mysteriously disappear. Sturgeon said the accounts were fine. The Police say differently as they have charged her husband and SNP Chief exec with embezzlement. It’s not difficult to understand unless you are a troll and you are certainly one.
DeleteSturgeon has been completely cleared of any criminal misconduct by Police Scotland, after the most detailed investigation in Scottish political history.
DeleteWhether some folk like that, or not, is irrelevant.
Daftie anon@6.41pm.
DeletePolice Scotland did not clear Sturgeon. That is a lie. They sent a file to the COPFS who then decided to take no action.
Just how do you know it was “ the most detailed investigation “. Did you carry out a comparison over the last century have you - no you have not.
Whether you like it or not only an ignorant daftie could post that rubbish at 6.41pm.
Grow Up
ReplyDeleteAnon infant at 1.54 am
ReplyDeleteHave if your way, then.
The Scottish Criminal Justice System completely cleared Sturgeon of any criminality after the most lengthy and detailed investigation in Scottish political history.
Put your dummy back in now.
Hypocrite anon at 10.40am. Well a jury in the Scottish Criminal System cleared Salmond but people like you and Sturgeon kept on saying he was guilty.
DeleteSturgeon was cleared by her very own appointed Lord Advocate who reports to Sturgeons old deputy Swinney. A cosy arrangement for Sturgeon versus a jury of the people for Salmond.
Sturgeon was responsible as leader and she was right to resign in disgrace.
Your childish comments about dummies reflect the paucity of your case. Also you just make a claim about the investigation being the longest etc but have no facts to back up that claim.