A few weeks ago, the senior Alba Party member Mike Dailly made the extraordinary declaration that he thought there should be a referendum on abolishing the Scottish Parliament and reverting to direct rule from London (with the clear implication that he'd be voting in favour of that) unless Maggie Chapman was removed as Deputy Convener of the Equalities Committee. I know, I know, it doesn't sound any less bonkers with the passage of time. And given that Alba is theoretically supposed to believe in Scottish self-government rather than London rule, it was even more remarkable that there was no apparent attempt on the part of the party leadership to distance itself from Mr Dailly's views.
The idea also seemed to instantly capture the imagination of the controversial and increasingly far-right "Stew" blogger, who has come to loathe our democratically elected national parliament because it keeps having the temerity to pass legislation he dislikes. But in much the same way that he tactically decided to "both sides" the Gaza genocide rather than just baldly saying "it's all the fault of Hamas so please let Bibi get on with exterminating the Palestinians in respectful peace and quiet", he also realised that he couldn't be seen to be openly campaining for the abolition of devolution, because he's trying to keep up the increasingly fatuous pretence that he's still some sort of "pro-independence blogger".
So he came up with what he thought was a brilliant wheeze. He suggested modifying Mr Dailly's idea so that the referendum would be a binary choice between abolishing the Scottish Parliament altogether, and Scotland becoming an independent state. In other words the devolved system, which was set up after attaining landslide majority support in a 1997 referendum, would be abolished by a new referendum in which nobody is allowed to vote to retain it. It's self-evidently a batsh*t crazy idea, a total non-starter that any serious commentator would have been embarrassed to have even thought about, let alone to write it down and advocate it. But the general rule of thumb with Stew is that the more preposterous the wheeze, the more his enthusiasm for it just seems to grow with time. And from his own narrow point of view you can see the attraction, because it allows him to pursue his anti-devolution agenda while innocently posing as someone who is just trying to come up with fresh thinking for delivering independence. Given the seemingly limitless credulity of his hardcore cult followers, it even allows him to attack the SNP for "not being serious about independence" simply because they very sensibly refuse to give the time of day to the latest Nutty Stew Idea De Jour.
Unsurprisingly, he's devoted a question in his latest propaganda mini-poll to his madcap plan. But tellingly, he hasn't asked whether voters support the idea of holding his referendum, but instead the somewhat less important question of how they would vote if it was held. Presumably this is because he has just about enough self-awareness to realise that if he asked voters whether his idea was a good one, they'd inevitably and resoundingly tell him that it is in fact a very, very stupid idea indeed.
If there were to be a second independence referendum tomorrow and the ONLY options on the ballot were full independence or the permanent closure of the Scottish Parliament at Holyrood and a return to direct Westminster rule, how do you think you would vote? (Norstat / Stew, 27th-30th May 2025)
Full independence: 63%
Return to direct Westminster rule: 37%
To a limited extent this is good news, because what it tells us is that a significant minority of the hardest-to-reach No voters care strongly enough about having an autonomous parliament in Edinburgh that if the only remaining way of saving it was to switch to supporting full independence, they would do so. That means, as I and many others have pointed out in recent months, that if a Reform UK government came into power and started trying to roll back devolution, it could be the game-changing moment that finally leads to an overwhelming and stable Yes majority.
But what the poll categorically does not tell us is that full independence would be the winning option in Stew's proposed referendum, for the very simple reason that no such referendum will ever take place. And if you want to know why it will never take place, all you have to do is pay proper heed to the words of Stew himself.
"There is not, in our lifetimes, going to be another independence referendum on the terms of the first one. The UK government has no conceivable reason to agree to one, because it has nothing to gain. It conceded one in 2014 because it was confident it would win handsomely and wasn’t really risking anything"
Precisely. The UK government will not hold a referendum when there is nothing forcing it to do so and when it would risk Scotland becoming an independent country. There is nothing forcing the UK government to agree to the #StewRef, and they would be even less likely to agree to it than to a standard indyref, because as the poll demonstrates, it would carry an even greater risk of independence actually occurring. So the whole plan falls apart on Stew's own logic. The other reason London would not agree is that all UK governments feel obliged to superficially pose as supporters of devolution, so they wouldn't ever allow themselves to be framed as viewing the potential abolition of devolution as some kind of 'reward' or 'bait' for offering the vote. That would just make it even harder for them to stop the momentum for independence.
The SNP would obviously never propose the idea in the first place for two very good reasons: a) they'd know the answer from London would be no, so they wouldn't make a fool of themselves by making such a silly request, and b) they wouldn't allow themselves to be seen to be willing to irresponsibly gamble away a parliament that millions of Scots care about and that took decades to win. It would be a fundamentally unserious thing for any political party to do, and it might well destroy their credibility, and the credibillity of the wider independence movement, forever.
Stew may be highly unstable but he's not a fool - he knows full well that there's a hopeless logical contradiction in what he's proposing. He's not banging the drum for the idea because he thinks it's remotely viable, but instead because he thinks it's a neat way of getting the option of abolishing devolution onto the political agenda and talked about. And at least with his own disciples, he may get away with such a cynical stunt because they always reliably fail to apply the slightest scrutiny or logic to anything he says.
What this reminds me of most is the period somewhere around 2018 or 2019 when he announced that he'd come up with a cunning plan for how the SNP could get an independence referendum out of Theresa May. All they had to do was offer to get her out of a fix by voting in favour of her soft Brexit deal in direct swap for an independence referendum, and she would have no option but to agree. And of course because the SNP didn't go down that road, he's castigated them ever since for missing a supposedly golden opportunity to win independence.
Now, as regular readers know, I don't think the SNP did anything like enough to pursue independence during the key Brexit years of 2017-21. But it was literally impossible for them to win independence in the specific way Stew claims they could have, because they simply didn't possess the arithmetical leverage that he alleges. Theresa May would have said no to the Stew Deal for two reasons: a) she was a conviction politician on the question of 'Our Precious Union' and wouldn't have betrayed everything she believed in, even to save her own skin, and b) she'd have known it would have been pointless because she would never have been able to sell a deal involving an independence referendum to her own backbenchers, many of whom were hardline unionists. She'd have gained 30-odd votes for her soft Brexit through one door and simultaneously lost 100-odd votes for it through another door.
Leading Alba figures understand this perfectly well, of course, but one of the disreputable things they've done over recent years is pretend not to understand it, because they know Stew has successfully convinced his followers that the fairy-tale deal with May was there to be done. For as long as people are daft enough to believe that, it's a useful stick for Alba to beat the SNP with.
Can I just add. James do you think Greta’s mission to Gaza is a good or bad thing?
ReplyDeleteA good thing. I'm getting Reform troll vibes from your question, but prove me wrong.
DeleteTo me the 4d chess and madcap wheezes in this post of his were just justification for future Reform endorsements.
ReplyDeleteThe real reason he wants to vote Reform is there is that independence isn’t realistically on the agenda for the time being and he wants to vote on domestic policy and therefore for Reform. That’s perfectly fine and fair. It’s getting embarrassing that he can’t just come out and say that.
Nonsense and you know it. By intentionally backing Reform is clear he has no longer any interest in independence if he ever did. He is one unhappy individual in his wee bit of England shire.
DeleteHe wants to vote Reform cos he's a fascist.
DeleteIt's all convoluted rubbish. We are where we are. The SNP needs to be persuaded and dragged into a situation in which it convincingly offers an inclusive and humane future which appeals to the better instincts that we know exist among the voters of Scotland.
ReplyDeleteComplex drivel is for those in darkened rooms who have little contact with political reality in our country.
Reform UK candidate for Somerset.
ReplyDeleteStewie's kindergarten clique really are as dumb as they come.
ReplyDeleteNo matter what skitter the fake rev spouts, they swallow it whole and then ask for more.
Cultish chaff.
Campbell is either a Farage fanboy or a Farage rentboy.
ReplyDeleteCheck out Bonnie Prince Bob's latest excellent satirical video about "the Rev". It's an uncomfortable watch in places but it reveals an important truth.
ReplyDeleteSaw it earlier. An instant classic.
DeleteBPB is an Adam Curtis like genius in his own way. His film is also upsetting all of the right people.
DeleteJust watched PMQs. Far more SNP baaad than usual - almost as if there is a by-election soon. Starmer reading his answers, as always, but what most annoys me is that the Labour MPs spend most of the time laughing, as if they are high. There was only one serious question, about Gaza, when they all calmed down and tried to look troubled for a minute or so, then it was back to the silly stuff. It's a farce. The SNP just shouldn't be there.
ReplyDeletedevolution is a con trick - it pretends to give you something, it is a bait and switch
ReplyDeleteindependence is the only situation worth a damn
holyrood is a deviant sideshow designed to make independence look ridiculous; they are also incompetent across the board - ferries, bottle return scheme, dualling the A9 ... fuck all that, let's all just tell each other our pronouns and get ourselves down the gay disco
The equalities minister would not be involved in bottle returns, the A9, or the ferries. You can do both.
DeleteAre the SNP even doing anything relating to gay discos, or discos, or gayness? This is all just coming from the OP's dreams
DeleteWhat's the obsession with ferries? Are you the editor of the Daily Mail?
DeleteJust like SF from Ireland. Makes no sense not to participate however irritating it is to watch.
ReplyDeleteIf I vote SNP, will I get Scottish independence?
ReplyDeleteYes. Soon (that's official).
DeleteI agree the May would never have agreed to
ReplyDeletean indyref in exchange for SNP support but the SNP could have got advantages for Scotland in return for supporting the May m deal
They had the numbers to pass May’s deal the third time she tried.
They could for example have asked for immigration and powers relating to fishing to be devolved
The result would have been a softer Brexit and no Boris Johnson well at least not then
It was a huge dereliction of duty by the SNP. I am sure Alex Salmond would not have missed that chance
Not much point in gaining more devolved powers when the likes of Campbell just want to throw them all away again.
DeleteIn 1993, the SNP under Alex Salmond did actually do a deal with the Tory government and agreed to vote with them on a specific vote about the Maastricht Treaty. The Tories reneged on their side of the bargain and pretty much laughed in Margaret Ewing's face when she later brought the issue up in the Commons chamber. Salmond said afterwards that he would be going back to his previous position of never trusting a word the Tories said and never doing deals with them.
Deleteand yet he believed Cameron.
DeleteThat was a fair conclusion by AS, once bitten, twice shy but Sturgeon did a deal with the Scot Greens which has done irreparable damage to our chances of independence and Swinney may well try make another one if the numbers require it. As long as there is a possibility of another SNP-SG government I'll be abstaining. Swinney must categorically rule it out.
DeleteThe blame lies with the dafties who voted for Brexit.
Delete604- You have to laugh at he abstainers. They sit on the cludgie with a smugness suggesting they would vote for the snp except they dont have the right leader for them. Sturgeon, Sarwar, Swinney..... any excuse. At least if they said they were a britnat would allow them to evacuate with a degree of honesty.
Delete9.34 Can you remind me when Anas Sarwar led the SNP? Or do you mean 'the other one'?
DeleteYou casual racist.
That Waste of Space (WoS) person, sitting in his little Englandshire bath-house, is now making a 'joke' about the Gaza Genocide.
ReplyDeleteSlimy cnut.
I have written before of my disdain for Stewart Campbell, a disdain which began around 2016 and whose growth has kept pace with his steady political drift to the far right. However, a stopped clock is correct twice a day and even charlatans like Boris Johnson and Michael Gove had some progressive policies on the environment. Campbell's poll question, even if motivated for nefarious reasons, produced an answer that is gold-dust for independence campaigners. What it shows is that there is 37% of our population who will very probably never vote for independence. It establishes a floor which was uncertain previously. And even more encouragingly, it demonstrates that 63% are open to supporting independence.
ReplyDeleteI feel there is no need to engage with his wider agenda. Just take the nugget of value and discard the detritus.
I sometimes wonder if James is wasting his time critiquing Campbell's views. Firstly it allows Campbell to set the agenda/narrative. Secondly, like Trump, Campbell is a narcissist for whom being ignored is worse than being condemned by opponents, so his outrageous statements (like Trump's) are as much performative as born of conviction. Thirdly, I think James is an excellent psephologist and political commentator and I would rather read more of his views on the reality of Scottish politics and the people who actually shape opinions and take decisions. Which takes me on to the fourth point, which is that many have voiced the suspicion that Wings Over Scotland is not as widely viewed as Campbell has claimed. My entire family out to cousins and those from other families who married my blood-relatives and have since produced two more generations creating a very large conglomerate are almost all independence supporters. I also have a large number of friends, colleagues and acquaintances who are yessers, yet none - I repeat none - of those roughly 100 people read WoS. What I know of Campbell's erratic opinions actually comes from reading James's blog since I ceased to access the Bath Bampot's unpleasant tirades about 4 years ago.
Similarly I'm not terribly interested in the inner machinations of Alba and think they should be left to their own private grief as they melt away like the Arctic icecap. I understand James's justified anger and bitterness at the way he was treated because I've been there. I worked for a company for 10 years and was sacked for outrageously spurious reasons. I harboured a grudge for too many years, but now I never think about it or talk about it and feel much better for not allowing those arseholes free space in my head. My advice - leave yesterday's people behind to shrivel in their own caustic bile.
Good post.
DeleteWell said David White. The claimed popularity of WOS is a fiction, partly the creation of a readership calculation system that is fundamentally flawed, and simply wrong. He has a hard core of supporters which at best is in the low hundreds, who provide daily repeat hits for his site. A couple of hundred (at most) committed mouth frothers, each posting multiple times daily, soon mounts up. But the reality is still a small core of gullible dullards, and even that is diminishing. On Alba, like you I am not interested. They are dead in the water. The potential yes supporting 67% is where James, the broader Indy movement and the SNP should be directing their attention with an unremitting campaign of positivity. Scotland is blessed with energy resources that already mean it is self sufficient in renewable electricity. The Westminster govt is currently involved in building infrastructure to steal that energy from us and take it down south. Oil anyone? Deja vu? Top quality agricultural produce and food production. Fisheries. Top rated research institutions and Universities. Excellent Banking and legal systems. A rapidly growing tourism industry that is not weather or season dependent. We already manage to provide an NHS that outperforms the rest of the U K. Not perfect by any means but we are constrained by a large chunk of our tax revenue being kept by Westminster and spent on projects we are not in agreement with. HS2. London transport and infrastructure projects running into tens of billions annually. We are paying a part of that. Reduction in child poverty, and a benefits system that in so far as is possible tries (and succeeds) in mitigating the policies of the Westminster govt. When is the last time any of us heard an SNP MP or MSP speak with commitment and passion on any of these issues?
DeleteDavid White at 8.09 pm ... well said. I gave up WOS nearly two years ago and have no desire at all to go back there.
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