Wednesday, April 9, 2025

What would be the consequences of Reform taking power in Wales next spring?

As I always point out, YouGov's Scottish subsamples are of more interest than those from other polling firms, because they appear to be correctly structured and weighted (albeit they still have a very large margin of error due to the small sample size).  The latest one is healthy enough, giving the SNP a big 14-point lead, and with Labour in third place - but behind the Tories rather than Reform UK.

What I'm not sure about is whether YouGov follow the same practice with their Welsh subsamples.  If they do, alarm bells should be ringing, because these are the up-to-date numbers: Reform UK 24%, Plaid Cymru 23%, Labour 23%, Conservatives 15%, Liberal Democrats 11%, Greens 3%.  Those are Westminster numbers, but nevertheless they're within the margin of error of the recent full-scale Senedd poll from Survation which gave Labour a slender three-point lead over both Plaid and Reform.  They're also very similar to the last full-scale Welsh poll from YouGov themselves a few months ago, which famously had Plaid in a one-point lead over Reform.

It's clear there is a genuinely competitive three-way battle for first place at next year's Senedd election between Plaid, Labour and Reform, and it's difficult to read what is most likely to happen.  There's actually an argument that Reform might do even better than the polls suggest, because their support base skews older, and it's older people who turn out to vote most reliably.  But the counter-argument is that Reform voters are largely Brit Nats, and a fair few of them are actually English immigrants to Wales, who might not see much point of voting in a Senedd election.  So if anything next year will be a home fixture for Plaid, and they might just out-perform the polls and dramatically clinch first place.

One way or another, though, this looks like being a major story and predictably it's barely even being covered by the London media.  Reform's first chance to take power, with control over (among other things) the NHS and education, will not come in 2028 or 2029, but as soon as next May.  And that thought must privately fill Nigel Farage with absolute horror, because if they make a complete hash of ministerial office in Wales, as they probably would, it might well destroy their chances of winning UK-wide at the general election.

In which case, the good news for Farage is that Plaid, Labour and the Lib Dems between them will almost certainly have the numbers to freeze Reform out if they so choose, even if Reform are in first place.  It remains to be seen whether such an arrangement would be under a Labour or a Plaid First Minister, which is obviously of huge psychological and symbolic importance.

That would be the ideal scenario for Farage as 2028/9 approaches - the status and momentum of first place but without any of the responsibilities of power.

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52 comments:

  1. Grok, could you give me a funny joke where the punchline is "and it's all thanks to Shannon Donoghue of the Alba Party!"

    Sure. Here's a funny joke for you:
    Why did the Scottish independence rally suddenly turn into a wild dance party? Because someone spiked the haggis with disco dust, and it's all thanks to Shannon Donoghue of the Alba Party!

    All right, AI still has some distance to travel.

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    1. Take 2: Grok, could you give me a funny joke where the punchline is "and that's why Chris Cullen and Shannon Donoghue swapped clothes!"

      Sure. Here's a funny joke for you:
      Chris Cullen and Shannon Donoghue walked into a party dressed to impress, but the host announced a last-minute costume contest with a twist—everyone had to trade outfits with someone else. Chris, a towering gym buff in a tight tuxedo, looked at Shannon, a petite yoga instructor in a flowing dress, and said, "This is going to be a stretch!" They struggled through the swap, with Chris tripping over the dress's hem and Shannon flexing awkwardly in the tuxedo’s sleeves. By the end, the crowd couldn’t stop laughing at the mismatched chaos—and that’s why Chris Cullen and Shannon Donoghue swapped clothes!

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    2. Never mind the tuxedo and the flowing dress, judging from Shannon's X feed they're getting married in a prison wearing tracksuits.

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    3. Shannon is fuming because of the campaign for every language in the world to start their word for cheers with an S. French has shanty, Gaelic has slanty and so on. She thinks it's people gagging up on her and there's nearly 200 languages in the world. So she's ragin

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  2. Shannon Donoghue is jealous of the influence James has through his blog.

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  3. Don't really understand Wales.

    They now must know the massive mistake they madein voting for BrexShit.....but are still gonna vote for the pillock who was the main cheerleader for it???

    Is it just the sheer number of Right Wing White Settlers from Englandshire driving this?



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    1. My point remains.

      Why might Reform now be the most popular party in Wales, given Farage's disastrous history with a BrexShit which hit Wales probably the hardest of any country in mainland Britain?

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    2. islam will destroy the anglo saxon menace

      inshallah

      fuggedaboutit

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    3. Wales is complicated. Firstly, we have a large chunk of the population that speak Welsh as a first language. Second, 30% of the population are not from Wales, overwhelmingly from England. At the last census, 55% identified as Welsh only, and a further 9% as Welsh and British. The remainder had no Welsh identity whatsoever. While there are English people who support independence etc, most are indifferent or downright hostile. Brexit would not have been won in Wales without the presence of 100s of 1000s of people from England, including many, many pensioners who have chosen our fair land for their retirement. Many Welsh people will vote Reform next year as they are sick and tired of being ignored. Plaid, rightly or wrongly, is perceived as being too concerned with climate change, Islamophobia, trans rights etc and not sufficiently engaged by housing, education, health, crime and, yes, immigration. On a lighter note, Reform wont take power. No chance. There will be a coalition of the centre-left.

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  4. What point? The point of gribble?

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  5. This is a job for Welsh Sion of WGD.

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  6. The spoiling of the blog began early I see. I think reform as a party is odious. It feeds on concerns of ordinary folk based on the lies of the media. Let’s blame an innocent child is so much easier than spending time analysing the Russian oligarchs so loved by the right wing. Let’s not look at the tax havens under U.K. territories but blame immigration for our woes. Just a big lie

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    1. Note that Scottish people reject Reform. It is the English who go for such ideas.

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  7. Shannon Donoghue has become obsessed with James, tweeting about him a lot and constantly referencing him. She is quite unsubtle and lacks the sophistication needed to make a point in politics. She probably is jealous of James who is very articulate and eloquent in his blogs.

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    1. I find her creepy

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    2. Deffo. She isn't fighting for equality when her aim is to be creepy.

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  8. Chris Cullen of ALBA is not Sottish or even highly regarded as a councillor - he is thought of as being very lazy indeed. He has been found out.

    James is 100% right to shine the spotlight on these two.

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  9. It is a matter of deep regret to all of us in the Alba Party that Chris McEleny has chosen to personalise this.

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    1. Totally agree. Poor show, Chris.

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  10. I see the anti-English Unionist troll brigade are jumping in with both feet, trying to pretend we're anti-English. Well we ain't.

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  11. I see from the National that "Scottish Labour misspell Scottish on by-election leaflet"

    I disagree. Scotish is completely correct for Scotish Labour who clearly have recognised that both their party and policies are, indeed, archaic, like their spelling of the word Scotish - only suitable for pre-devolution as in last century.

    Welcome to the 20th Century.

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  12. Surely the term is skittish labour?

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    1. I'm sure they meant Sottish.

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    2. Aye well the way Starmer has docked Sarwar's tail it could be Scuttish Labour.

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  13. The consequences will be shock and awe and beautiful tariffs, free trade deals, tariffs anyway, and gorgeous, beautiful, spectacular real estate opportunities on the Med.

    What was that about whales?

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  14. I always put these people ghrough what I call the Rekjavik Test. They think there that important in there own back yards but has anybody in Finland ever heard of them?

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    1. Helsinki, Sweden.

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    2. Reykjavik is in Iceland. Helsinki is in Finland, Stockholm is in Sweden.

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    3. Ooh, little miss no it all

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    4. And if ma auntie had baws she'd be ma uncle.

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  15. I would like to see various UK Government ministers and ex-ministers prosecuted for war crimes. But it might be 10 years before it happens.

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    1. I mean... we're still waiting on it happening to Tony Blair. I'm not holding out much hope!

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  16. If I were to say Wales, you might think of the fish with the biggest dick in the ocean. But, believe it or not it is also a country that is less than 100 miles from England.

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  17. Cobblers- it borders England so can’t be 100 miles away.

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    1. It can't even be a millimetre away, if we're being pedantic.

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    2. It's a quote from Ali G.

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  18. contrary to what the BBC is saying, the truth is nobody in Italy is interested in the visit of the English king, most people aren't even aware of this

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  19. OT - Media bias
    Trump has suspended the new tariffs on countries that haven't retaliated. According to media, he backed off because of Gov bonds being sold off following the stock market slump. This was a few hours after the EU passed a retaliatory 25% tariff.

    So the question should be - was Trump as mad as a box of frogs and forced to back off, or did he achieve his target and get a trade war with China, AND his other main grouch - the EU? So far no idea if the tariff pause includes the EU.

    Meanwhile of course the rich get richer as people in the know, sorry sorry so sorry, people in the guess, shorted the stocks before the slump, bought them after the slump, and now sell off any left over ready for next time.

    It's Magic Roundabout time. Boooiiiiinnggggg!

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    1. Meanwhile the chances are that the EU defence industry is going to reduce or remove reliance on USA tech, and that may well include the UK. What price hard power AND soft power?

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  20. Of course Scotland is anti English, what's wrong with that? every other country is
    Stop pretending we're not, start telling them the truth to their faces

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    1. the english are really vile people, (yes, there will be outliers, but I am talking of the broad mass), the worst people on earth for the last millenium and pretty much to blame for everything, when you trace back to source, to origin. They also have a way with words, like they never done "gen0cide", they just did "famine". Turned out nice again. Blue birds ov-er the white cliffs of dover. Then we had "the clearances" which sounds like a grand litter picking expedition.

      Even if they gave us all the oil revenue, all the cheapy leccy, truly subsidised us to an exorbitant degree, gave us half the stash in the tax havens, gave our MPs 20 votes each at westminster and a veto on all policy, 3 sex slaves each and a porsche - I would still say : get the fucking bastards to fuck because you are just vile subhuman garbage, in any case we need to be ourselves alone, doing our own thing.

      - that they are little englander ethno supremacists who want to rob you senseless, you and your kids for decades to come, should make the matter more pressing for the Scots.

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    2. The inventors of the concentration camp fist established in 1888
      in South Africa where England slaughtered and starved people to death

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  21. Stop lying britnat

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  22. I AM SHAPING MY FUTURE. I am on fire, exhilarated and empowered. I AM ME

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  23. The Phoney Rev at 9.33 ... you come across as a bit desperate today.

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  24. The son of a Celtic legend has announced he will be running as a candidate for Nigel Farage’s Reform.

    On Wednesday night, the party revealed that Stiliyan Petrov’s son, Stiliyan Jnr, will be standing for election to the Lapworth and West Kenilworth council.

    Reform UK made the announcement on Twitter stating: “Meet Stiliyan Petrov, our candidate for Lapworth & West Kenilworth. He’s ready to fix his local area by cutting wasteful spending, lowering council tax and ensuring proper funding for key public services.”

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  25. Jimmy Johnstone, Ronnie Simpson, McNeil etc are legends in the Scottish football world and Celtic. Petrov and his wayward son don’t.

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    1. Which way did Billy McNeil vote in the referendum?

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  26. Not me. My relations are reasonably intelligent

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