Wednesday, January 22, 2025

THE ALBA FILES, Part 4: read the full text of my written submission to the Constitution Review Group, setting out my proposals for democratisation of the party - a blueprint that was dangerous enough, it turned out, to get me expelled from Alba

I do still intend to publish the remaining three installments of the story of the "disciplinary" process I was subjected to by the Alba Party.  But as the root cause of my expulsion was the stand I took on the Constitution Review Group in favour of democratisation of the party, and as the report produced by that group will apparently be considered by Alba members at a National Assembly in only a few weeks' time (before a final vote at conference in March), it's probably a good moment to publish the written submission I made to the group just under a year ago, setting out my detailed proposals for democratic reform.

In retrospect, it seems that some leading Alba figures felt extremely threatened by the contents of my paper - which is really odd, given that they had the numbers to easily vote it down.  But it appears they felt threatened even by the presence of a persistent dissenting voice.

To give a little background to this document, the Constitution Review Group was set up in response to the outcry over the blatant rigging of Alba's 2023 internal elections.  The leadership obviously refused to admit that the rigging had occurred (quite the reverse, in fact - they instead started expelling and suspending people who publicly pointed out what had happened), however they did grudgingly accept that some people were unhappy with the party's constitution at it stood.  In an email to Alba members, Alex Salmond went out of his way to say that the new working group would be free to consider introducing one member, one vote for NEC elections - which you may recall I interpreted as meaning that the leadership had accepted that this change was inevitable, because I couldn't see why else they would risk mentioning it.  In retrospect, I was completely wrong about that.  It looks like the plan instead was to stuff the Constitution Review Group with leadership loyalists, so they could come back in a few months (after the anger about the vote-rigging had subsided a bit) and say "oh, we considered one member, one vote, but it turns out there was no appetite for it after all".

The group consisted of eight members, with four appointed by the leadership and four elected by National Council.  The four appointed members were Yvonne Ridley, Hamish Vernal, Robert Slavin and Daniel Jack, and all of them were firmly opposed to democratic reform.  (Yvonne Ridley was replaced by Suzanne Blackley after the second meeting, but that made no difference because Ms Blackley was also vehemently anti-reform.)  So that meant the only hope of the group recommending reform would be to get a clean sweep of reformers among the four elected members.  That almost happened but not quite.  The four elected members were Alan Harris, Mike Baldry, Chris Cullen and myself, with Mr Harris, Mr Baldry and myself being pro-reform (although we disagreed with each other on some of the details), and Mr Cullen being anti-reform.

So the leadership had an in-built 5-3 majority, and that played out within the very first minutes of the first meeting.  The reformers all voted for Alan Harris as chair, and the anti-reformers all voted for Hamish Vernal, with Mr Vernal winning by 5 votes to 3.  However, Mr Vernal then went out of his way to state that he wanted the group to produce a consensus report, and that he would consider it a "failure" if a minority report was produced. On the face of it, that offered grounds for optimism, because there was clearly no way that consensus could be achieved without some concessions being made to the substantial minority of reformers on the group.

It turns out that wasn't what Mr Vernal meant, though.  His idea was that there would be a straight majority vote on each individual proposal, and then the outcome of those votes would be put together to produce a report, which he expected us all to approve on the nod as a "consensus report".  I told him it was completely unrealistic to expect the reformers to vote in favour of a report that was bound to contain almost none of our proposals, and I pointed out he was making a minority report inevitable through his own actions.  (Again, I was being a bit naive there, because it turned out the leadership were keeping in reserve the option of expulsion to prevent me from even having the chance to produce a minority report!)

Eventually, after a lot of very difficult discussions, an uneasy compromise was reached.  Some of the proposed democratic reforms would be allowed to go forward to the members for a discussion and vote, but with the report making clear that the majority of the group were opposed to them.  There'll be a real moment of truth in a few weeks when we find out whether that compromise has been retained in spite of my expulsion.  If not, and if Alba members aren't even allowed to vote on things like one member, one vote, it'll be reasonable to conclude that part of the reason for my expulsion was to cynically overturn the compromise.

The most important of the proposals you'll see below were opposed by a 6-2 majority rather than 5-3, and the reason for that is Alan Harris resigned from the Alba Party altogether after the second meeting, due to his disgust at the procedural irregularities on the Disciplinary Committee and repeated breaches by the leadership of the existing constitution.  In a nightmare scenario, his replacement was the immature and rabidly anti-reform Shannon Donoghue, who nominally came in as an elected member of the group on a "lucky loser" basis.  That severely distorted the composition of the group and ensured that the arguments for democratic reform were met with a wall of total derision, and playground bullying from Ms Donoghue and Mr Cullen in particular.  (More about that in a future post.)

There is one interesting caveat, though, because one specific reform is likely to be strongly recommended by the group - and ironically that reform is an overhaul of the farcical disciplinary procedure which eventually resulted in my own expulsion from the party.  The reason that got through is because Hamish Vernal is a former convener of the Disciplinary Committee, and he saw disciplinary reform as both his baby and his legacy.  All of the anti-reformers magically fell into line with him on that point, setting up what could be a truly fascinating conflict between Mr Vernal and Chris McEleny.  Very much a case of the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object.

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MY PROPOSALS FOR AMENDING ALBA'S CONSTITUTION

My first proposal is that Ordinary Members of the National Executive Committee should in future be elected by one member, one vote.  There is now a widespread view across the party that the current system which restricts voting rights to the 5% or so of members who pay extra to register for conference is profoundly undemocratic and open to abuse.  The NEC is effectively the party's governing body when conference is not in session, and thus all party members have a stake in its composition, and all members should have equal rights to determine that composition.

My second proposal is that the number of ordinary members of the NEC should be increased from eight to twelve, with six elected from each of the male-only and female-only ballots.  This would be a modest expansion that would increase the representativeness of the NEC and the range of voices heard in its deliberations.  As I understand it, the only real argument that has been advanced against this change is that people are better off spending their time chapping on doors rather than sitting on committees, which is not especially convincing given that the NEC typically meets for around two hours per month.  Taking just four more people out of circulation for just two hours per month is likely to have literally zero impact on the party's door-knocking potential.

My third proposal is that the constitution should require full and prompt publication of all internal election results, including the exact number of votes obtained by each candidate at each and every stage of the counting process.  There was rightly enormous concern last December that the result of the ballots for ordinary members of the NEC was unexpectedly kept secret (other than the names of those elected) from party members, and to a large extent was kept secret even from the candidates themselves.  Without transparency, democracy does not exist.  As we've now had a vivid demonstration that transparency cannot be guaranteed in the absence of a constitutional requirement, I would suggest that it has now become essential that the constitution does require the full and prompt publication of all internal election results.

My fourth proposal is that the procedure for selecting the Party Chair and the General Secretary should be changed.  After the Party Leader is elected at conference, he or she should nominate their preferred Party Chair and General Secretary, with those individuals then going forward to confirmatory online ballots of the whole party membership in which they can be either accepted or rejected.  If a nominee is rejected by the members, the Leader will then have the opportunity to submit a new nominee for a fresh confirmatory ballot.  Ideally, I believe the Party Chair and the General Secretary should be directly elected positions, but I presume the argument against that is the danger of dysfunction if the Party Leader finds himself at loggerheads with the holders of such key roles.  I would suggest my proposal squares the circle by ensuring that no Chair or General Secretary can be installed against the wishes of either the Leader or the party membership.  Given that the constitution confers upon the Chair and the General Secretary far more powers (including powers relating to the disciplining of individual party members) than it does upon other national office bearers, it seems somewhat perverse that those two individuals are currently subject to far less democratic accountability than other office bearers.  My proposal would at least go some way towards addressing that contradiction.

My fifth proposal is that the power to elect members of the Conferences Committee, Disciplinary Committee, Finance & Audit Committee and Appeals Committee should be removed from the National Council and transferred to the full party membership in the form of a one member, one vote online ballot.  This would put an end to the farcical situation we saw a few weeks ago where a party of several thousand members was only allowing a few dozen people to choose the composition of bodies as powerful as the Conferences Committee, and where candidates were mostly being elected on the basis of fewer than five votes on first preferences.  The only argument I've heard in favour of retaining election-by-delegate is that delegates may vote more wisely and knowledgably than other party members, which can't really be taken seriously given that it is obviously analogous to arguing against universal suffrage on the basis that the propertied classes, or men, understand the ways of the world better than the working classes or women.  We should be taking every opportunity to maximise internal democracy wherever possible, rather than dreaming up unconvincing arguments for standing in the way of it.  Given the importance and powers of the elected committees, it's vital that there is a clear chain of democratic accountability back to the members.  The election-by-delegate system simply does not provide that, because in the real world delegates are selected by only a tiny and potentially wildly unrepresentative minority of the members of each LACU.

My sixth proposal follows on from the fifth, in that it would allow all members of each LACU to select the delegates who will represent them at National Council via an online ballot conducted by one member, one vote.  This proposal becomes particularly vital if one member, one vote for committee elections is rejected.  I've heard it suggested that if members can't be bothered to attend LACU meetings, they shouldn't have any right to a say in selecting delegates.  That is, frankly, an insulting argument that takes no account of the practical barriers that prevents many members from attending LACU meetings, especially if in-person meetings are insisted upon by the local executive.  In any case, the idea that people need to 'earn' their right to vote through work or effort is an antiquated one that belongs in the 19th Century.  The technology exists to allow all members to easily participate, if they wish to do so, in a ballot selecting delegates for National Council, and that technology should be utilised.

My seventh proposal is that the Appeals Committee should be able to select its own convener.  I actually think there's a strong case that all committees should be able to do this, but the case is strongest of all for the Appeals Committee, which must act and be seen to act as independently as possible from both the NEC and the Disciplinary Committee.

My eighth proposal is that the Disciplinary Committee should be renamed the Conduct Committee (another appropriate option would be the Complaints Committee).  The new convener of the Disciplinary Committee feels that the current name is almost "Stalinist", and I certainly think it is forbidding enough to put off potential new party members who don't want to join an organisation that will subject them to school-style or military-style discipline.

Below are suggested amendments to the constitution needed to give effect to the above proposals (although this is probably not an exhaustive list) - 

The first sentence of 4.4 in the 'Party Campaign Structure' section should be amended to read - 

"4.4 The LACUs shall, by means of an online one member, one vote ballot, elect two representatives to be delegates at National Council."

5.1 in the 'National Conference' section should be amended to read- 

"5.1 National Conference shall be the supreme governing body of the Party, and shall be responsible for:

(a) determining ALBA Party policy;

(b) announcing the result of direct elections from the party membership of the national office bearers of: Leader; Depute Leader; Women’s Convener; Equalities Convener; Local Government Convener; Member Support Convener; Organisation Convener;

(c) announcing the result of direct elections from the party membership of 12 ordinary members of the National Executive Committee (NEC) from two sex-based lists (6 from each);

(d) ensuring the prompt publication and communication to all party members of the full results of the elections for national office bearers and ordinary members of the National Executive Committee, including the exact number of votes obtained by each candidate at every stage of the transferable vote counting process."

6.1 in the section 'National Council' should be amended to read - 

"6.1 National Council shall be composed of:

(a) Two delegates from each LACU, who must be elected on a one member, one vote basis in an online ballot open to all party members belonging to that LACU;

(b) Party Office bearers and ordinary members of the NEC;

(c) Two delegates from each Affiliated Organisation;

(d) All ALBA Members of Parliament;

(e) One ALBA Party councillor member of each Scottish local authority"

The existing 6.5 in the 'National Council' section should be replaced with the following - 

"6.5 National Council shall be responsible for announcing the results of direct ballots from the party membership to confirm or reject the Party Leader's annual nominations for the positions of Party Chair and General Secretary, and the results of direct elections from the party membership of the following:

(a) Six Members of the Party’s Conferences committee

(b) Six Members of the Party’s Conduct Committee

(c) Six Members of the Party’s Appeals Committee

(d) Four Members of the Party’s Finance and Audit Committee (FAC)

6.6 National Council shall be responsible for ensuring the prompt publication and communication to all party members of the full results of the ballots to confirm or reject the Leader's nominations for Party Chair and General Secretary, and the full results of elections for members of the Conferences Committee, Conduct Committee, Appeals Committee and Finance and Audit Committee, including the exact number of votes obtained by each candidate at every stage of the transferable vote counting process."

7.1 (f) and 7.1 (g) in the 'National Executive Committee' section, ie. "(f) Approving the Party Leaders Appointment of Party General Secretary; (g) Approving the Party Leaders nomination of Party Chair at the First Meeting of the NEC after National Conference each year" should be entirely deleted, meaning that (h) and (i) would become (f) and (g) respectively.

7.2 (b) in the 'National Executive Committee' section should be amended to read - 

"(b) Twelve ordinary members directly elected by party members;"

8.3 in the section 'National Office Bearers' should be amended to read - 

"8.3 The National Office Bearers shall perform functions as set out in the National Office Bearers' Job Descriptions (Annex D). The Party Chair, nominated by the Party Leader after National Conference and confirmed by direct ballot of party members, will chair all national meetings of the Alba Party in person or by nominating another National Office Bearer or NEC member."

11.3 in the section 'Code of Conduct' should be amended to read - 

"11.3 A Conduct Committee of 6 members directly elected annually by the party membership and 2 members appointed by the NEC shall be established in order to hear complaints and take disciplinary action, where it considers necessary, against members of the Party. The NEC appointments, including Convener, to the Conduct Committee shall be decided by the NEC in its first meeting after National Conference;"

11.4 in the section 'Code of Conduct' should be amended to read - 

"11.4 An Appeals Committee shall be directly elected annually by the party membership.  As soon as practical after being elected, it shall meet to elect its Convener. No member of the NEC may be a member of the Appeals Committee;"

(submitted 15th February 2024)

167 comments:

  1. Democracy must be central to the workings of a political party.

    Transparency in elections is vital to trust in democracy.

    Your proposals would have put these at the centre of Alba, and would in fact have transformed their electoral chances.

    Surely now is the time for whoever takes over as leader to listen to members and make the changes!

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    1. I agree, especially the bit about listening to members.

      However, if Robin McAlpine is to be believed that the SNP leadership cabal are moving to make their tight control over the party even more impregnable and removed from the membership.

      Seemingly moves are afoot to increase the threshold for a leadership challenge from 100 signatures (across 20 separate branches) to 2.5% of the total membership i.e. assuming 60000 members that means 1500 nominations.

      If passed into the party constitution that makes a challenge virtually impossible and would allow John Swinney to stay as leader for as long as he feels like it. (The hurdle will not apply to the incumbent).

      I have no idea what the rules are in the Alba Party where Kenny MacAskill and Ash Regan have declared that they are running to take over the leadership of that party.

      But this move is a strong indication that any changes that the Scottish National Party are going to make are not in the direction of greater democracy.

      Quite the contrary in fact.

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    2. Here's the link to McAlpine's article:

      http://robinmcalpine.org/the-snp-is-about-to-become-unreformable/

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    3. "Your proposals would have […] transformed their electoral chances."

      That's a leap of faith. I had high hopes for Alba and voted for them in 2021, but the result was awful. Alex Salmond had been made toxic enough to put off all but a trickle of voters.

      In the alternate timeline where McEleny never got his paws on power, and Salmond is lucky enough to still be alive, perhaps Tasmina quit and Alba may well have the internal democracy it needed from the start. But would anyone notice? How does something like that break through to the voters?

      Alba's real mistake was fluffing it in Rutherglen. That was the chance to make a public breakthrough. They didn't—for McEleny apparently!—and that was the end of their chances. Salmond's death wraps up the whole story.

      Besides of course for independence…

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  2. The SNP is better than Alba in this regard.

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    1. I think that's a bit of a stretch. The only parts of the SNP constitution that I could really identify as being more democratic than Alba's related to the composition of the Conduct and Appeals Committees.

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    2. Bet that was a thrilling read

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    3. Page Turner. Fact.

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  3. Meanwhile, their clique tightens its grip on the SNP, according to Robin McAlpine's latest blog

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    1. Robin does write some amount of unreadable drivel.

      All rhetoric questions and no answers.

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    2. Honestly, does anyone really follow McAlpine and his witherings over the snp.

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    3. Yes. Unlike you, he's often proven right. He was absolutely spot on about Nicola and her destructive legacy for the party.

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    4. About time that McAlpine put his money where his mouth is and started a new Indy party.

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    5. Anon at 10.41. When and where did he warn us about the Westminster controlled police smear of N S which has been ongoing for four years without a single prosecution to date? Sad that the unionists can rely on useful idiots to do their work for them.

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  4. Just so am clear do you know what my opinion is on the maeda red card tonight?

    I'm unsure about it but you can let me know?
    Cheers

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    1. Your opinion is that 👌 the ones on the other side didn't. Or maybe 🚢 did. Or vice versa. 🐕

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    2. Thanks for clearing this up crispy.

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    3. We must seize control of the maedia!

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  5. This "hiya pal" troll always make me nostalgic for the late Gerard Kelly doing pantomime at the King's Theatre.

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  6. James - you've made a factual error here. The new constitution review group was created because of a conference resolution, submitted by Mike Baldry and Morgwn Davies, if I remember correctly. This was selected for debate at the Glasgow 2023 conference in preference to constitutional amendments submitted by other members, which the party chair refused to even discuss for inclusion on the agenda, because other mostly incompetent constitutional amendments had been submitted by Inverclyde LACU plus one by the son of the Depute General Secretary. The party chair (who also chaired the Conference Committee) insisted that ALL constitutional amendments submitted must be considered by conference delegates and therefore there would not be time on the agenda for discussion of such amendments. She was twice asked where it said that in the constitution, without giving a response. There is nothing in the constitution which insists on this.
    The constitution is a running sore. At the first (Greenock) conference, several constitutional amendments were submitted (I don't believe that they were published for members to read) and, because some members were not happy with the situation, it was agreed to form a group which would review the constitution. That ended up with the 'oral' report at Stirling 2022 conference where they still did not publish proposed constitutional amendments, and the report was voted down. The next conference (Glasgow) was where some members decided to take matters into their own hands and prepare a small number of constitutional amendments.

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    1. "plus one by the son of the Depute General Secretary"

      I forgot she had a son as well. What a family.

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    2. "because other mostly incompetent constitutional amendments had been submitted by Inverclyde LACU"

      I read those as part of the paperwork for the Constitution Review Group. They were mostly gibberish. A typical McEleny tactic - presumably he instructed Inverclyde LACU (his home LACU) to propose them, and presumably they were intended as procedural wrecking amendments.

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    3. That was exactly their intention. Blocking amendments. A couple of the ones from Inverclyde didn't even contain the text of the proposed constitutional amendment - just a description.

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    4. What a shower of arseholes they sound. Academic now. Alba will get no seats and at most 2% of votes cast, and that’s being optimistic. Whether that hands any seats to unionists remains to be seen. No doubt that would be a cause for celebration amongst Alba supporters and the dickhead in Bath.

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  7. What kind of political party prefers its tax policy written by a former Sparkie - in preference to former tax inspectors, accountants and financial advisors? What kind of amateurish clique would rather give power to the said former Sparkie to make policy on the hoof, rather than permit the creation of a Policy Development Committee which would be responsible to conference and its NEC?

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  8. I've just read Robin's blog then this one. What the hell has happened to us? It's an utter embarrassment that our leading Yes politicians behave in this way.
    We've worked damned hard and very successfully to dispel the Unionist's too wee, too poor, too stupid line but we now seem to be hanging another one round our own necks - too corrupt.
    I am rapidly coming to the opinion that if the SNP and Alba disappeared overnight it might be a positive step towards independence. If a new political Yes vehicle emerges somehow, somewhen none of these self serving scumbags should be allowed anywhere near it.

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    1. I like to think that Alba is the best at developing immature processes.

      (And I still luv Nessie!)

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    2. Bring back RISE !

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    3. Evidence of SNP corruption please. Not speculation, and take account of innocent until proven guilty and the political dirty tricks brigade in Westminster.

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    4. Anon at 12.23pm - give it a rest with your head in the sand stuff.

      Mathieson fraudulently helping himself to £11k of public money. There you go.

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    5. That’s it? Really? So no evidence of corruption? Abject stupidity yes. And no surprise you relate to that. Try again.

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  9. If what Robin has written is true about the SNP: Introducing a rule change requiring leadership candidates to secure 1,500 nominations—2.5% of party membership—while maintaining restrictions on accessing member contact details (the incumbent doesn't require any nominations) making it next to impossible to replace the Party Leader... wouldn't that make them more unreformable than Alba?

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    1. But the SNP struggle to get 1,500 members to attend the Party Conference, how are potential leadership candidates supposed to obtain that many signatures without access to member contact details?

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    2. ALBA’s woes are due to the SNP? Personally, they are down to ALBA leadership/ dictatorship.

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    3. Anon @ 9:19 AM

      Who mentioned Alba?

      Isn't it worth discussing that while there are some issues reforming Alba that the SNP are even worse?

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    4. "wouldn't that make them more unreformable than Alba?"

      No, because Alba already have a similar rule. I once had a conversation with someone who explained to me that for an ordinary member to challenge for the Alba leadership or depute leadership, they would require nominations spread across more Alba LACUs (branches) than were actually in existence. So on a literal reading of the rules, it was *impossible* to challenge for the Alba leadership. Such ridiculous rules don't come about by accident.

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  10. Stay tuned for the next part of The Alba Files.
    To quote my colleague Pete Wishart "I think you'll like it!"

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    1. I've still got to work on a title, though. I was thinking of "You've Got Mail! (Yes, It's Tas Again.)"

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    2. I am looking forward to that episode
      Tas is keeping her head down but IMO she is the most poisonous of the cult.
      Narcissistic, controlling, domineering
      She undoubtedly forced your expulsion James and was behind the bullying of many others
      The worst person for Salmond to trust
      His tragedy was lack of judgement, trusting the totally wrong people and it killed him

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  11. SNP and Alba - two energy draining dud parties regarded as private property by their leaders who show deep distrust of their own supporters.
    Think for a moment about the implications of this if we had the misfortune to have either of these cliques controlling the government of a newly independent country. What chance for a responsive, inclusive political environment ?
    They may posture a bit to the left now to give them an edge against Labour but the same old arrogance of the 'suits' prevails .
    We have to vote tactically in this nasty mess but neither merits the activist energy and financial input of membership.

    To hell with both of them. Build the non party independence movement.

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    1. I feel the same way you do, Clut. But how does the public at large vote for "the non-party independence movement?" Apparently both the independents running in my seat last summer were pro-indy independents, but even I didn't know that, let alone the average punter. They got 1% between them. "Saor Alba!"

      We need organisation and public recognition. Political parties are the entities best placed to achieve and command this. Everyone's heard of the SNP and knows what it's supposed to stand for. Like it or not, that brand === Scottish Independence for all but the handful of us who read James and Robin and even Wings. To build its replacement… while it and the media are against you… where do you even start?

      I agree with James's conclusion: at the end of the day, the SNP is the only game in town. I think he may be about as skeptical as I am about reforming it from the bottom up, but at least Nicola's out of the way now and the toxicity is starting to fade. The SNP needs its most committed supporters and voters as much as we need it for our independence. We can't be at war forever, not while independence is the desire of so many Scots.

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    2. It's a catch-22 though.

      If there's any hope of reforming the SNP it will take a great number of members to band together to push for that reform. But if those pursing it are at best sceptical surrounding their chances how do you convince those who don't think it's possible and would be a waste of time to join you in the attempt?

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    3. "What about us ?" - the ISP 😀

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    4. @11:58 Right now, yes, that's the feeling, but politics is never static forever. Or even very long…

      Swinney won't be leader forever. He's saying what they all say, but everyone knows he's a caretaker, ready for retirement.

      Will some Nicola-approved stooge from the same clique succeed him? It's very likely. But how well will they do in elections? How long can "indy tomorrow" hold on?

      At some point, the SNP's going to feel the squeeze. They really should have in their brutal thrashing last year, but Humza's resignation before the election allowed the leadership to squander the chance. Fortunately for all of us, democracy goes on and they will always face elections. At some point, Scots will have had enough of kicking independence into touch.

      Timing is the key in politics. Like the union, itself, they only have to fail once for us to win.

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    5. Anon @ 12:09 PM The proposed rule change for SNP leadership candidates mentioned in other comments is concerning though.

      They may have anticipated what you're saying and are planning ahead to make it more difficult if not impossible for there to be any serious challenges to the approved stooges.

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    6. Anon at 10.55. Well said. How many of those on here bemoaning the SNP have ever done anything to try to change it?

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    7. Agree Alt Clut - we need an independent independence movement, at least a pressure group to push the independencr parties (if there are any) to get more radical. The 'excuse me' 'pretty please' route obviously isn't working

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    8. "Build the non-party independence movement."
      Oh puleeeeze!.

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  12. Hot air. Let’s “not vote party”- suits labour tories Lib Dem’s

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    1. Spot on

      Right-Wing Labour/Tories/Reform all raking it in from rich donors and big business - but let's not bother funding Scotland's main Left of Centre Pro Indy Party SNP.
      That'll show them!
      The political naievity and lack of realism of some 'Yessers' is off the f#cking scale!

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    2. Though a key point: We don't vote in an election to give Party power just for its own sake, and if the only reason to vote a certain way is to keep someone else out just how bad has our country become?

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    3. The usual drooling and dribbling from DF.

      There's is nothing 'left of centre' about a party - the SNP - that endorses 'Green' Freeports and Special Economic Zones that sells off assets to private foreign corporations, exploits workers and gives nothing back to the people who live here.

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    4. Lol.
      Yeah - SNP spending £Hundreds of Millions mitigating cruel Right Wing WM Policies like Bedroom Tax, Rape Clause, WFP, etc... and supplying Left Wing Policies like Game-Changing Child Payment, Baby Boxes and a MUCH MORE humane Social Security System are obviously too 'Right Wing' for cretins like you, pal.
      Moron.

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    5. "MUCH MORE"

      Please expand and don't include anything introduced under Alex Salmond like the SNP typically do when listing their achievements.

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    6. It was the SNP when Salmond was on charge and is still the SNP now.
      And if you are even too dumb to see the context of 'much more' in what I posted, I have no more time to waste on you.

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    7. "It was the SNP when Salmond was on charge and is still the SNP now"

      Yeah but he stood down as First Minister nearly 11 years ago, it's quite telling that there's still a need to ride on his coattails.

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    8. Dave Francis defence of the SNP is quite incredible at times!

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    9. Anon at 10.44. Do you speak from a position of abject ignorance or are you simply being untruthful?

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    10. "Yeah - SNP spending £Hundreds of Millions mitigating cruel Right Wing WM Policies like Bedroom Tax, Rape Clause, WFP, etc... and supplying Left Wing Policies like Game-Changing Child Payment, Baby Boxes and a MUCH MORE"

      More dribbling deflection. That was all pre-November 2014.

      You can't address the GF and SEZ fiasco.

      If you gave a list of 'achievements' I wonder what they'd be?

      Gender Recognition Reform bill
      Hate Crime Act
      Highly Protected Marine Areas
      Deposit Return Scheme
      A9 dualing delay
      Ferries debacle
      ScotWind sellout

      and MUCH MORE ... pal.

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    11. GF and SEZ? What are you talking about?

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    12. Green Freeports and Special Economic Zones. Is your Google broken?

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    13. David Francis conveniently forgets a lot of things. No mention of the right wing ex SNP President Mike Russell who authored a book advocating privatising the NHS and giving everybody vouchers to use. Is that left wing diddy David?

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    14. Anon at 5.33. Not the brightest are you? The need for SNP to temper Tory actions meant becoming involved in these areas amongst others. Giving the tories free rein would have been disastrous. They have to operate in the real world, not your simplistic wee on line bubble world. You need to grow up.

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  13. “What do we want”, “Independence!”, “When do we want it!”, “Now!”, “Who do we vote for? Eh, the “ non party independence movement”. lol.

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    1. Big Eater From PerthJanuary 23, 2025 at 10:57 AM

      I really, really 'ate the SNP!

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    2. Aye, instead of voting we'll get independence by having a wee walk doon the Canongate and afterwards enjoying a nice picnic in the park !🤣

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    3. But the SNP will be in power though, whether or not they actually pursue independence is neither here nor there!

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    4. What do we want?
      JAM!
      Where do we want it?
      IN A BUTTY, NOW!

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  14. Let's get a few things straight -
    In my lifetime, SNP has been the fairset, most compassionate, most progressive and most humane Party of Govt Scotland has had - and STILL IS.
    Labour/Tories are not even in the same league and most Scots understand that.
    I would go even further and say that the consecutive SNP-Run Scottish Govts since 2007, have been the best administrations on these islands, for many, many decades.
    No Party is remotely 'perfect' and SNP is certainly no exception - but it still MILES ahead of any REALISTIC alternative (which does NOT include Alba or ISP).
    Those 'Yessers' who come on here - and seem to pollute cess-pits like WoS - and consistently criticise and talk-down the SNP, would have a lot more credibility IF they could suggest an electable, feesible alternative Party to run Scotland, in their place.
    But they cannot.
    Alba and ISP are non-starters - so who is left?
    Are those morons REALLY going to go 'Full-Campbell' and recommend 'voting Unionist'???
    Are they REALLY advocating 'abstention/spoiling ballots' as a credible strategy, which would be a GIFT to Unionists everywhere???
    They have NO idea who to 'replace' the SNP with and some of them simply do not give a shit in any case, such is their hatred of that Party and their desire to destroy it.
    As I have said many times - they are complete and utter Nihilists, who would rather burn down everything they dont like.......and then stand back and piss of the smoking ruins, while clapping their wee flippers like seals-on-crack.
    Total Wastes of Space.



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    1. The trouble, Davey pal, is when the SNP gives up on independence. How does anyone address that?

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    2. They have not given up on Independence. They inhabit the real world. Give us your simplistic plan to secure Indy.

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    3. David Francis is deluded.

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    4. Yawn, just doing the same thing on every blog post: Posting a ramble without any paragraph spaces (The enter key is that big one on the keyboard) and random words in all caps is just tiring now.

      Everyone is wrong and if you disagree with David Francis you're an idiot. Can we move on now?

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    5. David, do you think your attitude is going to attract anyone towards voting yes? You attack people who are yes voters but seems to be not the right type of yes voters, only those who vote SNP will do. Can't we have less agro and more opinion

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    6. WT,
      I am merely stating facts.
      There are some 'Yessers' who want to tear down the SNP and dance on its grave.
      Problem is - they have not the slightest clue, or, in some cases, the slightest concern - about which Party will take their place in Scotgovt and some of them even believe that NOT having a Pro-Indy Scotgovt would be OK.
      I have absolutely NO time for those Nihilistic Nonentities.
      None after all.
      Those idiots need to wise up and live in the REAL World.

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    7. "Problem is - they have not the slightest clue, or, in some cases, the slightest concern - about which Party will take their place in Scotgovt and some of them even believe that NOT having a Pro-Indy Scotgovt would be OK."

      The SNP are clearly not "Pro-Indy".

      Actions are more important than words.

      Words they have aplenty.

      Actions, not so much.

      Why would voting SNP to be the Scottish Government now advance Scotland towards Independence when successive election victories at all levels - UK, Scottish, local authority and European - have not moved us one millimeter nearer in the last 10 years?

      (No attempted deflection or distraction please).

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    8. Anon @ 2-13pm
      " The SNP are clearly not Pro-Indy."
      Do shut-up you blithering idiot or go and play with the traffic.
      Your choice.

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    9. Anon at 2:13.

      Give your realistic alternative, then.

      No un-realistic pish, please.

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    10. While the Scottish population are not overwhelmingly pro-indy, there is only so much a pro-indy party can do and expect to be backed.

      If the Scottish population were overwhelmingly pro-indy and pro having a referendum right now, and the SNP were still not putting into action anything, you would have a point.

      It's ambigous on one (independence) and fairly unambigously negative on the other (referendum now).

      What are you expecting the SNP to do right now?

      They could give better answers on currency, border and economic prospects for independence. But in terms of actioning a referendum, they've just lost a whole load of seats and there is no mass movement for one to happen right now.

      What the hell do you want to happen?

      It's blatantly obvious independence will only happen when the SNP are hugely popular again. For this to happen, they probably need to be out of power and ride back on a sea of change.

      SNP could be in devolved power for years off independence votes (and likely see a slow decay of goodwill) but they won't have that sea of change required from a burst from opposition, which will be required to change the independence narrative. Unless independence simply becomes hugely popular and the people hold their nose and vote SNP to make it happen.

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    11. David Francis ultra nasty SNP propagandist. Follow him if that's your type of person but it will not be in an independent Scotland in your lifetime. The SNP leadership have been taken over by unionists and not once have I read in his many posts has he said a new leadership is required. The fact is the current leadership have had 10 years and we are further away from independence than when they took over. It is people like Francis who supported this leadership who are the problem.

      19/10/23 - some people need constant reminding of the betrayal of this leadership that they supported and continue to support.

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    12. "Give your realistic alternative, then" says the obviously deflecting DF.

      Is there something about "No attempted deflection or distraction please" that you fail to understand?

      You're clearly more of a simpleton than a twat.

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    13. the SNP went to shit post Salmond

      Sturgeon replaces the saltire with the trans-rainbow flag and proceeds to give Scotland and Indy the strapon dildo up the arse

      fix your paragraphs you halfwit

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    14. Ifs answering his own post again.

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    15. As usual, the morons calling for the demise of the SNP - or for SNP to be out of power for a while ' to make them more popular again' - have not got a single, solitary clue about which Party to replace them with in Scotgovt, or for how long that would last - let alone the implications for Holyrood at the almost inevitable, unfettered discretion of a Unionist Scotgovt.
      And their memory is also cretinously short, as well.
      They seem to have completely forgotten just how long the SNP spent as a fringe Party in the Scottish political wilderness and how fucking hard they fought to get anywhere near power in Scotland, let alone form successive Scottish Govts for almost 18 years in a row, now.
      They also seem to have forgotten the MASSIVE MOUNTAIN of Unionist MSM DISINFORMATION - particularly BBC 'Scotland''s constant Lying by Ommission - which would do its utmost to sideline, ignore, downplay, denigrate and cripple that Party out of power and its attempts to get back into Bute House.
      I really do wonder about the sanity of these so-called 'Yessers' whose only motivation seems to be to hobble THE most powerful Pro-Indy Party Scotland has ever seen and who seem to think that another Indy Party 'of the proper sort' will come galloping over the horizon to 'rescue the Cause' - when the Scottish Electorate has consistently shredded and spat out their 'alternatives' and all polling suggests they will do the same thing in 2026.
      Thankfully, as SNP Support continues to rise again, these fantasy-freaks will become less and less important, but will probably shout louder and louder.
      NB - I see our favourite Yoon-Plant 'IFS' has now joined the fray.
      Wonder how many of his aliases will join him, today???
      3, 4, 5, .....10???
      Time will tell.............

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    16. Seriously, do we need to draw a diagram of where the Enter/Return key is on the keyboard?

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    17. "They seem to have completely forgotten just how long the SNP spent as a fringe Party in the Scottish political wilderness and how fucking hard they fought to get anywhere near power in Scotland, let alone form successive Scottish Govts for almost 18 years in a row, now."

      Ironic considering you and the SNP have the same arrogance and levels of entitlement that Labour did in their last years of power in Scotland.

      You're laughing at and demeaning anyone who isn't a SNP supporter in exactly the same way Labour supporters used to laugh at and demean the SNP.

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    18. Davey boy's doing good work to put people off voting for his party. Screaming to all and sundry that THEM/THEY’RE THE PROBLEM is absolutely the way to make friends and influence people. Maybe Swinney's "hotly anticipated announcement" will begin with "GIRFUY!"

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    19. Wrong.
      I am laughing at the genuine imbeciles who say they support Indy, but want to REMOVE the most powerful Pro-Indy Party from power and, inevitably, replace it with a Unionist Party.

      They really are so unbelievably dense, that light bends round them.

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    20. Though they would have said:

      "I am laughing at the genuine imbeciles who say they support left-wing policies, but want to REMOVE the most powerful Left Wing Party from power and, inevitably, replace it with a unknown & inexperienced Nationalist Party"

      They stayed in power for decades by claiming they were the only viable alternative to the Tories. In their last years of power all they needed to say was "We're not the Tories, vote for us" and people would.

      Not you're essentially just saying "We're not Unionist, vote for us".

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    21. Where’s indyref2, Davey? Did you mind to vote Yes again in 2023?

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    22. So if the SNP has been in existence for 90 years and is now getting further from its supposed goal where does that put them in the world league table of independence parties?

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    23. Speaking of other national independence movements: when did a moderate, gradualist devolved government last secure independence for their nation? Honest question. I don’t know if it’s ever been done.

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    24. "Speaking of other national independence movements: when did a moderate, gradualist devolved government last secure independence for their nation? Honest question."

      Honest Answer: I can't think of one.

      What is for certain: Power is always taken, never requested.

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    25. David Francis continues to reference me in his Talisker fuelled rages. Francis keeps trying to imply that I have aliases. Some anon (Francis?) even said I was yesindyref2. Not one of the anons on this thread has been posted by me. Francis is just clearly annoyed that there are many people who do not trust the SNP so like the numpty he is he tries to pin it all on me. The SNP vote is in the order of 20% below the independence vote. Its people like Francis who are responsible. All I have ever done is try to warn independence supporters since 2020 that the SNP leadership are phonies and they needed to remove them. Francis will spend a long time looking for anything from me stating that I want the SNP gone / destroyed. It may well be that option will have to happen in the future if Scotland is to progress independence but the obvious and best option is for the SNP members to get real independence supporters in charge of its party. Like Alba the SNP leadership seem intent on holding on to power for power's sake and independence is just something you talk about when an election is on the horizon.

      Francis says I have joined the fray. It is a fray because of Francis and his appalling coarse language and abuse rather than debate.
      Francis's main contribution has been to abuse people and tell James to get rid of other posters and posts like some sort of mini dictator. If Francis is actually a member of an SNP branch I feel sorry for the rest of them.

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    26. check the paragraphs on independence for scotlands post, dave francis, and weep

      that lad knows how to do it

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    27. You have posted as an anon. Fact. Silly billy.

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    28. Anon at 4.04. Give us some examples of your civil disobedience.

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    29. IFS answering his answer. Hilarious.

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    30. A lot of people on here seem to think each sentence needs a new paragraph. Hilarious.

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    31. David
      Id rather the SNP rode to independence off the back of 20 years.of devolved.govt.

      My issue is I don't see that happening. I think it's far more likely they'll just lose goodwill. They'll be back as long as they're the alternative to Labour. Which they are.

      Like Labour in Scotland, they need to be out of power for a bit for them to be popular again. Albeit Scots quickly remembered how bad Labour were, quickstep!

      I'm looking at it dispassionately. SNP can win elections but they need to build to a win that will rock the foundations.

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    32. > Seriously, do we need to draw a diagram of where the Enter/Return key is on the keyboard?

      Wish he had the same trouble locating the caps lock key.

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  15. When someone addresses you as “pal” you know your not.

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    1. Or even you're not .

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    2. We should discontinue Pal and start calling David Francis Winalot. Or Wonalot - but not for Scotland.

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    3. I prefer "Winalot" ... but I think DF likes it a lot more than me.

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  16. There is always the hope that David will pass-out by tea-time, or not be able to gather enough coordination to type.

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  17. Ot - I hope everyone is taking time to take the grey, blue and bins in from the predicated storm tomorrow? Too dangerous for road users, council and emergency services. Stay safe.

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    1. Our bins are predicated on how bad the wind is tomorrow morning. They’re really full and need done…

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    2. Edinburgh council has officially suspended tomorrows bins now.

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  18. Robin McAlpine says:- " Nicola Sturgeon is a fading star driven by neediness and paranoia who injects herself into public debate in her own interests at the expense of others. But why do the rest of us have to live with this? "

    The answer is that numpties like David Francis continue to support her and her gang to the detriment of Scottish independence.

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    1. Never mind IfS, the ISP will get us independence.

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    2. Anon at 6.05pm - I’m guessing you are the same anon who said Sturgeon the Betrayer, then Yousaf the Brief and then Swinney the Redactor would get us independence. Not good at forecasting are you - you must be Declan Skier.

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    3. But Robin McAlpine is a gossipy wee crab scuttling from one group to another causing division, because division means Robin elevates himself to getting attention and being seen as valid. To be serious, Robin gives his personal interpretation of what he wants you to believe about Nicola Sturgeon - because she tends to get more public attention than Robin does. That's what worries Robin. Gossiping about Nicola Sturgeon negatively is what Robin feels elevates him and gets your adoration and attention. He needs her airbrushed out. Robin's problem is that he's the one who is needy and paranoid. Feels she rains on his parade. She's just getting on with life - and Robin is scuttling around fuelling division and the anti Nicola Sturgeon trope - because he knows he has a malleable unsophisticated audience who just love the gossipy negative stuff and can't handle the really nitty gritty serious complexities of how to progress independence in the current global shifting sands very dangerous climate.

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    4. Anon at 10.22 pm ... well said.

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    5. David Francis at 10.22pm - I doubt McAlpine told Sturgeon to say recently that independence is off the radar or to slagg off Salmond again.
      Who forces Sturgeon to do press interviews where she slaggs off a range of people. If she had any grace at all as a person under investigation for embezzling the organisation she led for 10 years she would do the same as her husband and disappear in Val's flat.

      10.51pm - Congratulating yourself is not a good look David.

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    6. Learn to spell.

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    7. IFS for ISP. Tee hee.

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  19. Robin McAlpine and the disrupters are fixated by her. She has talent and they are jealous.

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    1. She has so much talent that she finds herself homeless and living with her successful crime fiction author who no doubt will be able to give Sturgeon plenty of tips on how to write her own crime fiction book.

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    2. and yet she is so much more successful than you. It must grate with the misogynists.

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    3. David at 7.57pm thinks Sturgeon being homeless, under investigation by the polis for embezzlement and divorcing her husband who has been charged with embezzlement is how success looks. I'm laughing now. More please.

      Wait a minute she did pass her driving test in her fifties.

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    4. IFS at 8:29 pm. You're absolutely obsessed with NS. I think you're in love.

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    5. David at 10.53pm - that's 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Many thanks. More please.

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    6. The feelings of inadequacy positively ooze from poor wee IFS.

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    7. How so drunk at 3.02am.

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  20. Yeh, not sure if they are just mysoginists pretending to be lefties but the ex FM can run rings around them.

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    1. Would be nice if she did some campaigning for indy instead of other shite.

      Better late than never.

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  21. Poor, wee, insignificant Albaists are like a bunch of Zombies who don't know they are deid.
    Even though Scottish Voters keep on telling them.
    They will be re-buried next year, but, like the Undead, will just keep digging their way back to daylight on the Wings of a Clown.

    However, between now and the next Scottish Election, I fully expect some, if not all, of them - and their Unionist Pals/Stooges/Aliases of course - to inhabit SgP (unfortunately) and WoS (definitely) venting their spleen at SNP, until their BP Pills run out.
    With absolutely NOTHING to offer as an alternative, they are about as useful as a fart in a spacesuit.

    I also look forward to James getting more fully involved with the SNP Campaign for re-election in 2026 and using his poll-analysis skills to help guide its direction.
    I also hope to see more co-operation between this site, WGD and Bella.
    In the real world, THOSE are the ones that matter to the Yes Movement, not Campbell's Collective Crap.

    BTW.........Remember to stash away all your exterior bits and bobs before they are destroyed by the Big Wind (NOT 'IFS") tomorrow and avoid high Bridges on yer travels.
    Stay Safe!

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    1. You're getting better with the paragraphs, few issues at the start but you're getting there!

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    2. That unimportant wee 'spacing' thing really bothers some folk.

      Sad.

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    3. I'm really rather concerned by all this. No pancakes.

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    4. Just basic formatting tbh.

      But I'm not one to attack people with learning difficulties. You're improving and that's what matters!

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    5. No need to self-harm, pal.
      Can I get your colouring-in book when you have finished with it???

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    6. David, that's far better. It makes it much more readable.

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    7. I said no pancakes. NO PANCAKES. NO PANCAKES!!
      I've been in Suceava and what I say goes. Bitch!

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    8. David Francis at 6.04pm - a lightweight balloon like you has no chance. Stay indoors or prepare to find yourself flying up a Norwegian fjord.

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    9. You're a pr!ck ... pal

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    10. A prick would certainly burst David’s balloon. Is that you David.

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  22. These files confirm that Alba is a problem party. Its better to vote SNP.

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  23. yes the SNP Party broadcast was good and yes Independence is deemed necessary.

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  24. Anon at 2.52. How stupid are you if you are actually doing that? It’s the level of stupidity normally associated with Campbell’s cultists. Oh wait, silly billy.

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    2. Ok David Francis at 9.04pm I will if you do as well.

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    3. Anon at 8.05 is not D F. Do you see him everywhere? Get help.

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    4. 3.00am it’s obviously a wind up except for idiots like you.

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  25. Stay safe tomorrow. And for those in the read areas like me, batten down the hatches and the bins, and stay indoors. I need to go to the bank to do branch banking or a DD bounces. Oh well, just £2.70 or whatever, though the chances are I hope, that the bank is shut - some staff at least drive in. Banks should of course waive penalty charges for those who have to leave the banking till Monday ... it's not my fault!

    Meanwhile bin collections cancelled in North Ayrshire, and Tesco at least shut. Probably the rest. Either we're getting too soft these days, or this could be the worst storm for way more than 13 years. It just feels a bit ominous, and life is too short to take a chance on 7 hours of the worst of it.

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    1. read? READ? Try "red".

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    2. And spare a thought for the emergency services, who still have to work, one of mine being one of them. May your God, if any, be with you.

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    3. If you leave things till the last minute it’s your fault. Spend less time on here and more on your banking. No surprise to hear you deny it’s your responsibility. At least you don’t blame SNP or N S. That’s progress of sorts.

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    4. He was talking about the weather, you slime of runny dogshit.

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    5. Anon at 4.45. Class will out. Hate to be your neighbour. And he was talking about his banking. Not difficult really, except for you.

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    6. Anon at 4.45. Is a bad man saying things about your wee pal? Aw, give him a wee hug.

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  26. James, do you think the changes the SNP are making to make it more difficult ( impossible ) to challenge the leader, as per Robin McAlpine's article, a direct result of you rejoining the SNP. If the changes are as McAlpine says then it looks like the leadership will be completely 'ring fenced ' from any attacks.

    We don't have democracy in Scotland and two independence parties
    ( SNP and Alba ) do not do internal democracy either.

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    1. Gullible Graeme McCormick "disrupted" the process for all of 24 hours ... until he was bought off by Swinney.

      He didn't stand in exchange for false promises of the Redactor Man that he would pursue GMcK's petty project of Ground Rent to replace Council Tax as source of local authority funding.

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  27. What a load of undermining guff. Can I suggest the non snp members to sort out their own problems. ISP - who knows who they are for example

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    1. Going by that example should James stop doing these blog posts and leave Alba to sort out their own problems?

      Or is it only an issue when it's the SNP being discussed?

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    2. 1.17am - “ who knows” - clearly you do - you mentioned them.

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  28. What gets me is the stupid news programs sending their stupid news reporters into danger to show viewers that it is stupid and dangerous to be out in this storm. That is totally irresponsible.

    Same as they have them standing by the sides of roads pointing to the snow and icy bits as any traffic passes just feet from them.

    Clowns.

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    1. I just seen bbc news refer to Largs east of Glasgow. The wind is stronger than we thought. The bbc basic knowledge of Scotland is beyond ignorance.

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  29. As others have said, the SNP Constitution Review is becoming a blatant extension of leadership control.
    Our branch submitted six resolutions to HQ earlier this month.
    We suspect we were one of the very few branches who did so.
    We were seeking simple changes to help ensure more transparency and accountability. Basic stuff; familiar to any decent, modern membership organisation.
    To absolutely no-one’s surprise, none were included in the draft agenda for consideration by members at the special conference in March. Not even an acknowledgement or an explanation of the process for how resolutions were chosen.

    The leadership really has circled the wagons.

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  30. Omg, the SNP have finally actually made a by-election gain from Labour! But was it a real gain or an STV by-election quirk? Not sure

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  31. Oh dear. That must annoy you. Well done to the snp candidate

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