As I've previously mentioned, I was told by an informed source prior to Alba's creation in spring 2021 that Alex Salmond planned to model the organisation of his new party on the Brexit Party. His intention was apparently not to have party members, but a sort of fan club of 'registered supporters'. The reason for this was to guarantee that he, his family and his close friends would always keep total control of Alba, and that they could never even theoretically be replaced by a rival faction, as had happened in the SNP.
And yet when the Alba Party actually appeared on the scene, its original constitution was if anything somewhat more democratic - at least on paper - than the SNP's. So what had changed? Was my source just simply wrong? In retrospect I don't think he was. I believe Mr Salmond belatedly realised that he would pay too high a price for setting up an ostensibly progressive party with himself as dictator-for-life. The look would have been terrible. So instead he convinced himself that he could achieve exactly the same effect by different means. Alba would nominally have an internal democracy, but Mr Salmond would retain total control in practice through sheer force of personality. After all, the vast majority of Alba members would indeed be his 'fans', or less pejoratively his keenest supporters, and it was unlikely that they would ever vote against his wishes if he expressed or indicated a clear view on how an internal election or conference vote should go.
But the key question remained - what would actually happen if force of personality proved not to be enough, and party members voted in a way that he strongly disagreed with? Would he uphold, however reluctantly, the party's internal democracy as set out in the constitution? Or would that democracy be exposed as a sham, with Mr Salmond reverting to the role of dictator and overturning the members' decisions? We found out the answer to that question in the latter months of 2023.
Something very strange had happened in the summer of 2023. Three senior female Alba office bearers, who had all previously been close allies of Mr Salmond, suddenly and dramatically fell out of the leadership's favour. Those three were Denise Findlay (Organisation Convener), Jacqui Bijster (Membership Support Convener) and Eva Comrie (Equalities Convener). I have spoken to several people who were in the know about the sequence of events, and they all agree that the sudden hostility towards those three was largely inexplicable with no obvious trigger-event, although a chaotic group trip to London was often cited as an apparent turning point. By far the most common guess for what had suddenly changed is "Tasmina's jealousy" - in other words, Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh couldn't cope with other strong women having Mr Salmond's attention, and she started dripping poison into his ear about them. Denise Findlay in particular had become invaluable to Mr Salmond for a prolonged period - she had been his own choice to become Organisation Convener (he directly appointed her on an interim basis after her predecessor stepped down), she had proved extremely active and effective in the role, and at her own expense had often driven Mr Salmond across Scotland for Alba events. A number of people have suggested this was simply too much for Tasmina to bear.
Whatever the exact reasons, though, Mr Salmond and the wider leadership made a firm decision that Ms Findlay and Ms Bijster had to be replaced. (With Ms Comrie the position was less clear-cut, perhaps because the Equalities role carried less direct power.) The snag was that their positions were directly elected, they both fully intended to stand for re-election, and as incumbents it was highly likely they would win. But the leadership meant business about getting rid of them, so a strategy was devised.
A 'big-hitter' preferred successor was identified to both Ms Findlay and Ms Bijster and persuaded to stand against them. In Ms Bijster's case it was the retired civil servant Daniel Jack, and in Ms Findlay's case it was Alba's former Local Government Convener Leigh Wilson. Pro-active steps were taken by the leadership to boost the profile of both Mr Jack and Mr Wilson as the vote approached. A one-off newspaper column was secured for Mr Jack, and the Alba website hyped it to the max.
But naturally Ms Bijster and Ms Findlay, who by then were only too well aware of what the leadership was doing to them, had no interest in just rolling over and letting it happen. As incumbents, they had perfectly legitimate ways of boosting their own profiles. Ms Bijster was able, for example, to email the full party membership with answers to frequently asked questions about how the elections would work - a matter that was entirely within her remit as incumbent Membership Support Convener.
Ms Bijster's email, which was very short and to the point and contained no electioneering whatsoever, coincided with the fanfare over Daniel Jack's newspaper article. In other words, the leadership's cunning plan to make Mr Jack better known to Alba members than Ms Bijster had been completely foiled, as it probably deserved to be.
Mr Salmond and Chris "Disgruntled Employee" McEleny hit the roof. Ms Bijster was immediately stripped of her right to email members, and McEleny publicly announced this was happening as a punishment. I was one of the candidates standing against both Ms Bijster and Mr Jack, and I received a phone call from Mr Salmond (as it turned out, the last I received from him before he died). He was fizzing with anger. He insisted that Ms Bijster was clearly "at it", and had been "put up to it by Denise". He sarcastically claimed that Ms Bijster had been totally invisible during her year as Membership Support Convener, and that it was very convenient timing for her to "suddenly start emailing members now".
My response was that when I had first seen Ms Bijster's email, I realised that it probably would give her an advantage over me and the other candidates, but it was the type of advantage that any incumbent would unavoidably have, and I therefore didn't think it was that big a deal. Mr Salmond replied by saying "oh it's OK for you to say that, James, you have a platform and people know who you are, but the other candidates aren't so lucky".
Supposedly as remedial action to make the election "fair", McEleny sent out an email listing the names of three of the candidates for Membership Support Convener (myself, Mr Jack and the young activist Scott Fallon) but excluding the fourth (Ms Bijster). Subsequently, Alba members were sent yet another email containing election pitches from myself, Mr Jack and Mr Fallon, but once again excluding Ms Bijster. (Mine was initially regarded as slightly too long, so I received stern instructions from Mr Salmond and Corri Wilson to shorten it. I couldn't go stealing the chosen one's thunder, now could I?!)
But these superhuman efforts to scupper Ms Bijster and Ms Findlay failed. In the case of Ms Findlay, that failure was almost inevitable, because not only was she wildly popular in her own right, but she was also closely associated with Mr Salmond. Alba members hadn't received the memo about Mr Salmond suddenly turning against her, and they probably wouldn't have believed that memo even if they had received it.
The election software being used allowed the leadership to monitor the votes in real time. Mr Salmond and McEleny almost certainly did that and knew that Ms Findlay and Ms Bijster had been comfortably re-elected. After the ballot closed, Mr Salmond had a huge decision to make. Would he do the right and natural thing, accept the results and allow them to be announced at conference as scheduled? Or would he stop the announcement, hush up the results and then nullify them - something he had no moral or ethical right to do, and certainly no power to do under the party constitution? Extraordinarily, he chose the latter course of action, but it was plainly fraught with immense danger for him. I literally cannot think of any precedent for what Mr Salmond did in any other UK party of significance, at least in modern times.
The chosen excuse was that the elections supposedly hadn't been fair because people had been making uncomplimentary comments about Mr Salmond's family and party staff on chat rooms while the vote was taking place. This was clearly a preposterous explanation which was unlikely to be regarded by reasonable people as sufficient, so again, a strategy was devised to save face.
Firstly, the announcement would be made at conference in closed session. The live stream would be switched off, and no non-members (ie. journalists) would be allowed into the hall to hear what was going on. Secondly, the waters would be muddied by starting the announcement with a long, meandering discussion about unrelated and essentially irrelevant complaints that members had raised about the voting process. In retrospect, these were just the totally routine niggles that would occur during any election process, but the hope was that talking about them in so much depth would plant the misleading notion in members' heads that these elections were unusually troubled and contentious, and would soften people up to accept the otherwise ridiculous claim that Mr Salmond had to overturn the election results because people had been saying things he didn't like on chat rooms. It was a reasonably effective tactic, albeit a very cynical one.
I have managed to obtain an audio recording of most of Mr Salmond's "secret speech" and I have transcribed it below. There are a few words missing from both the start and the finish, but this is the meat of what he said -
"...of complaints surfacing about the conduct of the office bearer elections, these were in a variety of chat rooms that the party wishes to use, but they also surfaced in the NEC chat group and among NEC members. I wanted to examine this to establish for myself whether there was a technical issue, and what the quantity of that technical issue might be, to satisfy myself of the integrity of the election process. However, during yesterday, there was widespread questioning of the ballot, and that included in a WhatsApp message [from] one of the candidates for office to another candidate for office. You may wonder why I know that - eh, they put it on the wrong WhatsApp group. There was also a letter in from Aberdeenshire LACU group which [word unclear] the interest because I am a member of Aberdeenshire LACU. So I took it on myself to investigate, and this is what I've got to report to you.
In total, there were fifteen complaints, and remember we're talking here about an electorate of many thousands, there were fifteen complaints of people who couldn't vote because their link wasn't working. We think we know the technical reason for that, it's about transfer of our membership [word unclear] on the electorate. There were a number of complaints, we have four but I think there were probably more than that, about the review section of the voting - not being able to change your vote. It says you're able to review the vote, some people interpreted that as you're able to change the vote. No. Once you put your paper in the ballot box, ye cannae get it back oot again. Right? So review just means you can check how you voted and how you voted, but I do accept that is a...that could cause some misunderstanding.
There was one complaint, a person didn't receive a vote because of using a shared email address. This is another technical issue we've got to deal with. As you'll understand, I mean I can't imagine using the same email address as Mrs Salmond, that would cause us both great consternation, but some people do with their partners or with their spouses. And of course our systems only allow to go to one email, once you vote once, and therefore somebody in that position has to request another ballot paper.
There were two complaints that the vote had actually been actively compromised, and there were six demands for a re-run of the ballot, which were articulately made. Significantly, however, none of the people who demanded a re-run of the ballot had personal experience of the difficulties they thought were arising. Now, because one complaint had come from Aberdeenshire LACU, and from the Secretary of Aberdeenshire LACU, a woman who I hold in the highest regard, I made it my business to investigate the two members who made the complaint. The first of these, a lady contacted to complain, but when contacted by headquarters transpired she had no issues herself, but had heard there were issues on a chat group and therefore thought she'd complain. The second lady said 'I provisionally completed my voting records a couple of weeks ago but did not complete the process 'til last night, but it appears to have been completed' - yes, that's because you can only vote once, and once you vote, that's it.
Now, folks, if this had just been it, and that had been all there was to it, given the low level of technical problems in a huge electorate, then I would have said I am satisfied, this is OK, let's go on. However, it's not something that comes up in isolation, I'm afraid. Two weeks ago, I was sent this [displays prop], rather old-fashioned way, through the post. It's a list of I think three, perhaps four, chat groups, WhatsApp groups circulating in the party at the present moment. In this dossier, let's call it that, a black dossier, there are attacks from party members on candidates standing for election, there are attacks on my family, there are attacks on headquarters staff, attacks on other office bearers, and plans to disrupt the proceedings of this conference. Which apparently according to the note, would be difficult for the party but all worthwhile in the end. In fact the only person in this lot who isn't attacked is me. I seem to be invulnerable from chat group attack.
Now, the point I'm going to make to you is this. The elections and the conduct of elections have to be fair, and they have to be seen to be fair, and they have to be believed by all those participating in the elections. That is absolutely essential. And before, during and afterwards, I will not accept questioning of the conduct of the elections on chat groups, and suggestions of improper behaviour by the party staff or anyone else for that matter. Therefore, it's my decision, my decision after consultation with the General Secretary, that I'm going to suspend the office bearer elections. We're going to re-run them in five weeks' time at National Council in early December in Aberdeen. It'll be exactly the same party electorate, as I'll freeze the electorate as it is now. The National Executive elections will be run from the National Council as well, again with the people who've registered for this conference, so the electorate will remain the same."
Unsurprisingly given Mr Salmond's determination to keep the above comments secret, it turned out that they were factually inaccurate or misleading in several respects. Most importantly, the "dossier" he used as a physical prop was not real, and he later admitted that himself. An Alba member quite legitimately submitted a subject access request to see if he was in the dossier, and the leadership reacted with blind panic. Mr Salmond sent an extraordinarily angry email in reply, and explicitly stated twice that no dossier existed, directly contradicting what he had said in his secret speech. These are the relevant quotes from the email -
"So let us now be absolutely clear.
There is no 'dossier' and never has been. As I explained to Conference I was copied into chat groups by concerned Party members whose contents indicated that up to a dozen people prominent in ALBA were clearly in flagrant breach of the Party’s code of conduct."
"The online pantomime of a procession of people proclaiming their 'innocence' because they get a nil subject access return from material which the Party does not hold from a dossier which does not exist could keep a team of welfare officers in guilt counselling working overtime for many years."
The dossier prop was a form of psychological warfare that Mr Salmond clearly hoped people would forget about five minutes later, but they did not, and let's be honest - he was caught out telling a direct fib. The claim in his email and the claim in his speech are utterly irreconcilable with each other. Perhaps he and McEleny hoped that making the speech in secret session would mean there would be no recordings with which the fib could be verifiably quoted - but that was very naive in this day and age.
I have spoken to several people who were on the chat groups that Mr Salmond is believed to have been referring to, and they have all confirmed that no improper attacks on his family took place. The reference to plans to "disrupt conference" seemingly referred mainly to discussions about raising legitimate points of order about whether certain NEC candidates had been properly nominated according to the rules - because the executive of Aberdeenshire LACU had apparently broken the rules by nominating candidates themselves, whereas the matter should have gone to a vote of the whole branch. Yes, a couple of those candidates were members of Mr Salmond's family, but that doesn't change the fact that the planned points of order were perfectly proper and would in no way have 'disrupted' conference. And on no planet would they even have begun to justify the overturning of the results of a properly-conducted election. (Note: the office bearer elections were separate from the election for ordinary NEC members, and therefore couldn't be affected by whether the planned points of order were upheld or rejected.)
Of course simply nullifying the results and re-running the elections were not sufficient to stop Ms Findlay and Ms Bijster from being re-elected, because they could stand again and would still have had the advantage of incumbency they started with. But that's where the leadership's second abuse of power came into play. By all accounts, wholly improper pressure was placed upon Denise Findlay to 'voluntarily' withdraw her candidacy, on the basis that the leader had to be able to work in harmony with 'his' office bearers. Now come on. If the leader has an effective veto on who can be office bearers, what the hell is the point of those positions being elected in the first place? If Mr Salmond saw the NEC as a sort of "Cabinet" with himself as "First Minister", why did he not drop the pretence and make it an appointed body?
Leigh Wilson also withdrew from the re-run of the Organisation Convener election for his own reasons. The rumour is that he worked out that he had been used by the leadership to try to bring down Ms Findlay, and that to his immense credit he wanted no more to do with such a sordid process. Rob Thompson was elected instead, which apparently the leadership were happy enough with - all that really mattered to them was ousting Ms Findlay.
Jacqui Bijster apparently withdrew from her own race before the pressure needed to be applied, but she very specifically only withdrew from the Membership Convener election and did not withdraw from the election for Ordinary Members of the NEC. McEleny performed his usual stunt of pretending to have misunderstood her message, and removed her from the list of Ordinary Member candidates as well - an intentional and malicious act of election-rigging that should have resulted in his immediate resignation as General Secretary. (Just one of so many acts of malpractice that he should have resigned over long before now.)
Beyond that disgraceful incident, what is the overall picture here? A leadership breaking the rules to nullify and hush up the results of a properly-conducted election simply because the "wrong" people had won, and then making very sure by improper means that those "wrong" people weren't even candidates in the re-run of the vote. That means the people who were validly elected in the original ballot were replaced by people they had soundly defeated in a fair process. Those are Putin-style practices on the part of the Alba leadership, and yes, they entirely justify the term "election-rigging". Incidentally, in the re-run of the Membership Support Convener election, I narrowly topped the poll on first preference votes (probably because many of Ms Bijster's supporters had switched to me in her absence) and was defeated by Mr Jack by a margin of just 50.5% to 49.5% after Mr Fallon was eliminated and his votes were redistributed according to second preferences. A number of senior people I've spoken to have called into question whether that result passes the smell test. I know of absolutely no evidence that the numbers were falsified in any way, but one thing that does seem clear is that the leadership were able to monitor the progress of the vote in real time, and if Mr Jack had needed a handful of extra votes from down the sofa, they would have been able to find them for him by making some urgent phone calls. By contrast, I was flying completely blind and had no idea that the vote was so close. That in itself arguably made the election unfair.
The fiddling of the NEC elections was if anything even more extreme. Unlike office bearer elections, ordinary NEC members are only elected by the small minority of Alba members who pay to purchase a delegate pass for conference - and there is no requirement for the holders of the delegate passes to actually attend conference in person. This makes it a "pay per vote" system that is wide open to abuse, because the wealthy supporters of specific candidates can just buy up conference passes in bulk. All the indications are that the little-known Abdul Majid topped the male-only ballot by such an unrealistically massive margin that if the results had been published it would have been blindingly obvious what had happened. So, yet again, a cynical decision was taken to hush the results up, with only the names of the successful candidates being published. Candidates were allowed to see partial results that applied to themselves, but even these had inconsistencies in them. The best-known inconsistency relates to the stage of the count at which Christina Hendry was elected.
Comically, McEleny and co totally contradicted themselves with the "reasons" they came up with for keeping the results secret. The utterly risible excuse that they started out with was that candidates who received zero votes had to be protected from embarrassment, because they might stand for parliament in future! That later morphed into the nutty claim that election results were personal data belonging to the candidates, and couldn't be legally published without their permission - which plainly made no sense, because election results had been published in previous years without candidates' permission. During my time in 2024 as an elected member of the Constitution Review Group, I challenged Daniel Jack on who had actually refused permission for their data to be published. He rather pompously batted away the question by telling me to ask the people I was so close to who had already left the party (I felt like he was hinting at Alan Harris) because that's where the problem had come from. I have since been assured that is not true, and that Mr Harris and others of like mind had played no part in blocking publication. If anyone had genuinely withheld permission, it must have been a leadership-loyalist candidate and it must have been done as a wrecking tactic to spare blushes.
Incidentally, everyone I have spoken to has said that Abdul Majid is basically a nice enough guy with no real political ambitions for himself. He seems to have been an almost accidental beneficiary of a vote-buying strategy intended to benefit someone else - with by far the most popular theory being that Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh needed to lock down first place in the female-only ballot to justify her ongoing role as the appointed Party Chair.
There's a deeply squalid little postscript to this. The whistleblower Denise Somerville uncovered what may have been evidence of how the vote-buying-in-bulk strategy was implemented, with a large number of new international members being quietly added to Alba's "HQ branch" where few people would know of their existence. McEleny flew into a rage and abused the disciplinary process to get Ms Somerville suspended for six months as an act of revenge, and as a deterrent to any other Alba member who might be tempted to speak out about the vote-rigging. Even more appallingly, McEleny got Colin Alexander expelled from the party for writing this wholly reasonable guest post on the Iain Lawson blog which raised legitimate questions about the conduct of the elections. More about that in a jaw-dropping future installment of "THE ALBA FILES". Stay tuned.
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Very interesting to read this about Alba. Tells us a lot about that party.
ReplyDeleteWho would have thought Salmond would have been like this when left to his own devices - sounds like the structure and the discipline of the SNP kept him on course. It is still sad to see how he lost his way.
ReplyDeleteAye James. Oot of the frying pan and into the fire.
ReplyDeleteSo you are telling me Salmond lied to members? Shock horror there.
ReplyDeleteNo dossier. I know one person who was not in a good way at conference because they were apparently in the dossier.
The reason for this was to guarantee that he, his family and his close friends would always keep total control of Alba, and that they could never even theoretically be replaced by a rival faction, as had happened in the SNP.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it the case that Salmond's problems in the SNP following his resignation were exacerbated not by the party being open and "member-led", but because it was the opposite, in large part due to the culture created during his own leadership? It's not like he was ousted by some democratic process: he voluntarily handed over the reins, and once he realised that his chosen successors were, eh, somewhat less personally loyal to him than he'd believed, it was too late and there was no way back in
I just become more and more convinced that, although our rancid political parties will have a role to play in achieving independence because of the way our political structures operate, we are going to need a separate activist movement. It looks like our leading politicians are simply not up to operating openly and democratically so we are going to need means of keeping them straight.
ReplyDeleteDepressing and deeply disappointing. Perhaps in their quiet moments some politicians hope that independence will arise 'accidentally' from some twist or turn of UK decline/collapse rather than an active mass campaign which might make it difficult for them to regard the new Scotland as their private swill trough.
Agree.
DeleteHe’s telling the truth. Cover your eyes and ears if you like but I don’t want to waste another ten years like we did with Sturgeon. I’m very grateful James has done this series
ReplyDeleteYou folk can’t stop. Salmond is proven to be a liar and a cheat and you use it as an opportunity to attack Nicola. You need help
DeleteSalmond WAS proven to be a liar.
DeleteHe's in the ground. We can refer to him in the past tense & then forget he ever existed.
The NEC today is made up of lucky losers the also rans. They gifted themselves an extra 6 months in power when Alex died
ReplyDeleteAstonished Salmond would get so bothered about pretty superfluous admin and bureaucracy.
ReplyDeleteWould it have mattered a jot if these people remained in post? Nobody is or was voting for Alba for anything to do with its internal admin.
A surprising error to elevate this stuff out of all proportion and risky too given the fallout.
Aye - I think given a lot of the folk who were attracted to Alba it would be hard to keep it together. It was faction that seems to be turning into more factions.
DeleteWhy are you astonished? You clearly don’t understand the purpose of Alba. What else do you think it was for but to act as a vehicle for Salmond to pursue his multiple gripes. The naivety of people commenting here is what’s really astonishing
DeleteMy one criticism of you, James, concerns why when you knew all of the above you still wanted to remain within that party?
ReplyDeleteAye I wondered the same myself - the SNP has been attacked and demonised and then you look at these claims and these actually stink in comparison. Makes me feel that egos, agendas and vendettas are at play here - they’re very good at attacking the other pro independence parties - but what do they actually have to offer anyone? Ash Reagan?
Delete"My one criticism of you, James, concerns why when you knew all of the above you still wanted to remain within that party?"
DeleteI wrote a blogpost a few months ago answering that question. It was called something like "Why I Stay In Alba". Basically the answer boiled down to "switching between parties is a serious matter, and should not be done casually 'like a girl changes clothes' in the words of Katy Perry. If you find all is not well in the party you are in, the best thing to do is stay and fight for change." In the end, of course, I was not even allowed to stay and fight for change, so the decision was taken for me.
I understand your reasoning, James. Resigning from Alba in outrage in the heat of the moment would have been the easier choice to make, and in retrospect the right one, given you were doomed. Staying on to fight the good fight was noble and all, but your failure leaves a bad aftertaste. The while you stayed put (unfairly) makes you seem complicit to Salmond's dirty tricks. Staying there gets you smeared in it. "Why did you put up with all of that?" is the natural political reaction, followed by "How much more would you take?" There's nothing fair about it, but that's politics.
DeleteWell, let me put it this way. I was an elected member of the Disciplinary Committee, the Finance & Audit Committee and the Constitution Review Group, and I still would be if it hadn't been for my expulsion. Stepping down would arguably have been an irresponsible thing to do, especially as far as the Disciplinary Committee was concerned, because McEleny was abusing the disciplinary process to get people suspended and expelled for ridiculous reasons, and myself and Morgwn Davies were the only two members of the committee standing up to him. Now Morgwn is literally left as the only person on the committee with a mind of his own who is not acting as a rubberstamp. I don't see how walking away six months earlier would have improved the situation.
Delete"If you find all is not well in the party you are in, the best thing to do is stay and fight for change"
DeleteObvious question to ask in that case: Why didn't you do that originally with the SNP?
Because I felt the positive reasons in 2021 for joining Alba were overwhelming. I didn't realise that I was getting myself embroiled in an authoritarian freak show. Remember Alex Salmond had phoned me several times and he assured me that Alba was going to be relentlessly positive in its campaigning and would not be used as a revenge vehicle against Nicola Sturgeon. To put it mildly, that is not how it panned out.
DeleteI agree with most of that. Apart from part of the second-last sentence.
DeleteVroom! Vroom!
The SNP is better than Alba in terms of organization.
ReplyDeleteYou writing the material for Mhairi Black's comedy career?
DeleteI have to say knowing what you knew then I am a bit surprised you continued to support ALBA for so long. I do suppose the hope is things will get better. As for the SNP the current FM has steadied the ship and vote share is steady but can be improved upon. For those posters who want another party then on you go but I predict it would fail. The reality and the practical choice is to vote SNP for Scotland.
ReplyDeleteThe Alba Party seem to be totally corrupt but voting SNP - as things stand with respect to the leadership cabal in charge of that party - is merely a vote for Devolution and continued kowtowing to our colonial oppressors.
DeleteCorrect 11:36. All out of alternatives, and locked out of leadership change, the only leverage we have left is whether to vote for them or not.
DeleteWith the SNP doing more now to please the Liberal Democrats than independence supporters, I will withhold my vote until they stop abusing our trust.
Here are the usual vote snp get devolution. Didn’t Salmond accept that decision? Vote SNP is for independence and there is no alternative.
DeleteThe funding provided to S G cannot be used to further Indy. The Lib Dem’s are too stupid to realise they were sold a pup. So are you apparently. As for voting, good luck when Farage gets a degree of power and scraps devolution on the basis of low voting numbers for SNP. And of course privatises your health care. Can you give a single example of someone being elected as leader of any party who was not already part of the ruling block? Stop falling for the crap spouted by the wings brigade. Think for yourself.
Delete12.33
DeleteYou are saying nothing.
Vote SNP is for independence and there is no alternative"
DeleteYes Nicola.
People who are interested in Independence , can't vote SNP because the SNP have promised to do nothing to progress the case. Labour have promised the same. These 2 devolutionist parties are identical. That is why they will together form the new Scottish government in 2026. Indy voters must find an alternative. If you are such a person, and if you don't find an alternative, then you must today accept, that you will die in a Unionist Scotland.
DeleteAnon 11.36. New Scotland Party is the way forward !
DeleteI can confirm that the New Scotland Party provides the way forward. It benefits from the experience of a major writer and thinker who will ensure that disruptive lying bladders and other troublemakers get their chips.
DeleteHe's a listener too. None of his opinions are immutable, YOU IMPUDENT CHILD.
DeleteAnon at 10.35. I agree, and much of the corruption criticism of SNP governance is based on as yet unproven accusations. I have predicted there will be no prosecutions arising from the glaringly political police investigation, orchestrated from outwith Scotland. Sturgeon was undoubtedly hijacked by the gender brigade, many of whom have no real interest in Indy and simply used and abused SNP to further their own agendas. The result was disastrous. And the Greens appointed to Ministerial positions proved themselves to be little more that student politicians, and hopelessly incompetent to boot. Governance deteriorated significantly. The unionist media had a field day. J S is I believe quietly and effectively addressing and defusing these issues. There remains however the make up of the NEC. This has to be restored to its pre 2014 make up. And J S needs to be more specific about progressing Indy. These two issues are relatively easy to achieve if there is political will to do so, especially when half a million former SNP voters are sitting waiting. There is time to retrieve the situation. History beckons. Step up John.
ReplyDeleteYou really think Swinney himself isn't part of the problem? He was right there by Nicola's side during all of this. His fingerprints are all over the NEC and leadership election rule changes, pulling up the ladder for any new talent or membership-driven threat to his and Nicola's faction. The man's right there, and it's continuing on his watch.
DeleteJudge them by their actions. Swinney's tell you he's intensely relaxed with devolution and keeping things exactly as they are, without dissent.
We’ll agree to disagree. The year ahead is crucial. You don’t know J S and his passion for Indy.
DeleteSome folk don’t like Nicola Sturgeon at all. Mysoginists? Unionists pretending to have Scotlands cause at heart. Maybe they will attack Labour, Tories, Lib-dems and reform at some point. Plenty to choose from if you are pro independence. But no NS is their target. Based on that she must be good.
DeleteCriticism of N S is justified. She took a govt with a reputation for competence and integrity and turns it into a shambles with a cloud of suspicion hanging over it. J S is hopefully up to the task of rejuvenating SNP and Scottish governance and leadership.
DeleteAfter looking at John Swinney's entire political career... what are some people seeing to suggest that he's a bold risk taker?
DeleteBe like going back and asking Salmond to not rock the horses. It's just not in their nature.
Who complained to the police?
DeleteAnon at 1.31. Who suggests he is a bold risk taker? Straw man argument.
DeleteAnon at 1.34. About what? And what is your point?
DeleteAnon @ 1:42 PM
DeleteAnyone who thinks he'll do what Anon @ 11:46 AM is suggesting.
11.46am. Your prediction is worthless as you are an anon.
DeleteAnon @ 11.46am are you the same anon that predicted Yousaf would be a roaring success. I bet you were.
DeleteAnon 1.34. I suspect that it was 'Outraged of Bath' who called the polis.
DeleteMore important question: Why are the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service sitting on their hands?
DeletePolice Scotland presented their findings to them on August 9, 2024.
Anon at 3.52. Your comment is worthless as you are…. Complete the sentence. Silly you, think things through.
DeleteAnon at 3.14. Nonsense. You’ve been called out. Put the shovel down and away back to WOS.
DeleteAnon at 3.58.No response to the actual post then? Dimwit.Away back to wings.
DeleteAnon 1.34. I suspect that it was 'Outraged of Bath' who called the polis.
DeleteWasn't it Sean Clerkin?
Weren't there complaints from 19 people, for starters?
DeleteAnon 5.07pm - you are the dimwit. That was a reply to the original post. Away back to WGD the home of the dimwits.
DeleteKeaton multiple people complained. Clerkin was only one of many.
DeleteAnon at 5.59. Stop drinking during the day. It is the only explanation.
DeleteGuilty as charged because 19 politically motivated people complained? New version of justice. Waoh!!
DeleteBut if there were 9 accusers it might justify a trial?
DeleteSame crowd attacking the FM. They are minnows and it appears to me wish to undermine independence.
ReplyDeleteThe idea of independence is utter lunacy. Any sensible person would undermine it!
DeleteZzzzzzzzz. Silly billy boy. Time for flute practice? Shame your queen thought you were a shower of arseholes.
DeleteI’m very sensible and Independence is the way forward for Scotland. Stop our resources being stolen by foreign states and to have a more socially democratic country.
ReplyDelete“…….. and Independence is the way forward for Scotland”
Delete🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thankfully you lot remain in a minority.
Get a grip!
Why are you lying? Nice flute by the way. I see you smashed up Manchester again. No wonder your beloved queen thought you were a shower of arseholes.
DeleteGood band Shower of Arseholes. I saw them supporting Cradle of Filth at the GEC back in the '90s.
DeleteTwo dimwits at 1:40 and 2:49, or maybe the same dimwit.
DeleteNot a lot between the ears anyway, that’s for sure.
Struck a chord with you then?
DeleteAnon at 2.49. That’s actually on the edge of being funny. Did you see them?
DeleteThere is a wee cheat called Tasmina
ReplyDeleteYou really can't get any meaner
Bought votes, there were lots
So she took the top spot
Then withheld results because "beamer"
'Meaner' and 'beamer' dont rhyme with 'Tasmina'. At least not in this country.
DeleteFunny how James Cook gives a report on the Court of Session decision that Westminster and oil companies had broken the law. Just by chance he is in Norway - why is a rig being built there and not Scotland? I thought our wages were lower? yet basically promotes the scheme from a greedy London perspective. Others contributing on the piece from opposing views were from England and Australia. Obviously bbc couldn’t find any “scotch”.
ReplyDeleteJames Cook is Scottish
DeleteCook was born here but he’s a true blue Brit to his core. Lying little arse as well. Queens/Kings shilling boy.
DeleteDo you consider him impartial?
DeleteJames Cook? Is that Kirsty Wark's and the Hon. Sarah Smith's wee errand boy? The one who embarrassed himself on the BBC documentary about the Salmond trial when the jury failed to deliver the verdict the BBC were campaigning for? That James Cook?
DeleteI recall a message from Chris McEleny to all Alba members a short while after the NEC elections explaining why the number of voters in the NEC elections was higher than the number of registered conference delegates. Some people thought this strange because only those registered for conference could vote. The message soon vanished from the Alba members' website. The explanation was around 20 people (I think) turned up at the conference, held in a hall on a side street in Glasgow, and not only joined the paty as HQ members but also registered late for the conference, and hence got to vote. Has anybody ever seen any of these members?
ReplyDeleteGosh, sounds like an enthusuastic bunch of people! I don't normally wander in off the street to become a member of a political party AND a conference delegate instantaneously. I hope they bought some T-shirts and merchandise too.
DeleteThere were 100 (A HUNDRED) more voters than registered delegates for the Glasgow conference
DeleteThe number of registered voters at conference start was 288
Quota was 62 for 4 places
The number of eligible voters according to Chris McEleny was 393 by end of conference
So more than a hundred wandered in, paid and voted - it insults the intelligence.
And this is despite the fact that Salmond states the electorate was frozen at start of conference
It was the most cack-handed vote rigging Ever
My partner and I were two of them. We turned up and joined at the door.
DeleteISP members in disguise.
Delete"My partner and I were two of them. We turned up and joined at the door."
DeleteBut why? Don't you have the internet?
"My partner and I were two of them. We turned up and joined at the door."
DeleteOh only another 103 to find
It did not happen. And it is insulting to pretend it did, people are not as stupid as the Chris McE thinks they are.
I was at conference people were not joining Alba and buying tickets at the door, giving them the right to vote
In addition the franchise was frozen at the START of conference if you read Salmond’s speech not at the end.
It was rigged everyone knows it.
Re Paragraph 2: Stalin's 1936 Constitution of the Soviet Union was possibly the most democratic, inclusive, rights-based and egalitarian constitution ever produced in the history of the world. It coincided with the start of the Great Terror which saw 900,000 people murdered by the same regime over a two-year period. No equivalence, but authoritarianism once entrenched is seldom thwarted by rules or supposed ideals.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, there's no equivalence. Alba are far worse
DeleteMany of these stories vindicate Nicola Sturgeon who had to ensure Alex Samond after she took over. She did remarkably well to strike out an independent direction for the SNP given that Salmond was not an easy ex leader to have as a predecessor.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 4.04pm you couldnae even ensure your first sentence made sense. Your second sentence is poor as well.
DeleteShe did strike out on a new direction, namely, to save the union.
Looking back what did she actually accomplish?
DeleteHer outstanding achievements seem to mainly have just been the Baby Box. Hardly a legacy for the ages.
She all guided Scotland through two crises: first, the Brexit crisis during which she was a strong voice, and, second, the Coronavirus crisis during which her communication skills stood out in marked contrast to other leaders.
DeletePretty sure the poster above is doing a bit
DeleteGoodness. We have P1 pupils from primary on here.
ReplyDeleteI've sent Shannon to clean her room for making that post.
DeleteThere's no need to call attention to things best dealt with by the party.
I just want to assure "Shhhhh Anon" that my deletion of her comment does not detract from my appreciation of the genius of her chosen name.
DeleteDo you get primary one pupils from Secondary schools?
DeleteCanadian men are (on average) 4% older than women.
DeleteThe big dug Mr Kavanagh says this at the end of his most recent article:-
ReplyDelete" The 2026 Scottish elections could be our last chance to escape this increasingly toxic so called union. The next Scottish elections must focus on providing the Scottish Parliament with a mandate for independence itself, not a mandate to ask for a further referendum which will surely be rebuffed. "
Exactly what I have been saying on SGP since 2020. Trouble is Kavanagh you are 5 years too late and it is your support for the SNP leadership over that period which has led us here. Here being a position that Swinney, the long term devolutionist, has said independence is on the back burner and his puppet master Sturgeon has said independence is not currently on the radar.
Kavanagh your words are too little too late. You and your SNP/WGD numpties are responsible.
Many people are returning to SNP and see it as the best option for them.
DeleteWhatever you or anyone else may think of Wee Ginger Dug it's very hard to contend that when all is said and done he has not done a lot for the SNP movement in terms of regularly and consistently putting out worthwhile thought pieces on the state of Scottish politics from an SNP perspective.
DeleteEndlessly bleating on about the BBC while his beloved SNP are just as bloated, corrupt and infiltrated by enemy agents.
DeleteWGD is part of the problem.
Another good article by robin about the care act debacle and how the SNP squandered another 24 million quid.
DeleteWGD - nonstop articles on Trump, Musk, Farage, Starmer, Trump, Musk, Trump, Farage, Starmer, Trump. There seems to be a bit of a pattern.
Delete"Exactly what I have been saying on SGP since 2020." Such prescience. Have you got the Euromillions numbers for tomorrow night, oh wise one?
DeleteWee Ginger Dug is an EXCELLENT Indy Site, as is Bella and this one.
DeleteThe fact that WGD seems to upset both the dwindling number of totally irrelevant Albaists and their Anon Yoon counterparts on here, is just a bonus.
Also interesting that the usual coterie of SNP/Sturgeon Haters are so parochial as to want to seemingly ignore the World-effects of Trump and Musk which might clobber Scottish Exports with tariffs, the destructive policies of Starmer and Reeves, the sheer lunacy of Farage and the good old Unionist BBC which will use every trick in the book to undermine Indy and Scotland itself - all because they cannot use those to get an 'angle' to attack the ONLY target they really have.....SNP/Sturgeon.
As for McAlpine - he used to be quite a level-headed bloke, but has now gone completely off the deep end in relation to the SNP/Scotgovt.
Does anyone really take his bitter wee diatribes seriously anymore?
Still..........watching wee frothing nonentities froth, is reasonably good entertainment on a cold night.
Vote SNP in 2026 - the BEST Political Party on these islands!
IFS at 4.25 PM: "I've been spouting the same old shite since the start of the Boer War." Yeah... we've all noticed... those of us who read your spouting. And don't disappoint us, be imaginative and use the word 'numpty' in your response. You know you want to.
DeleteDave Francis claiming the SNP are the “best political party on these islands”
DeleteThis guy appears to be on a different planet.
Ifs- you have no idea for independence but merely comes on here criticising. You’re prob a latent unionist.
Delete6.46pm are you for real. His comment actually says he has been saying there should have been a referendum at a Holyrood election since 2020. What the f**k is a “latent “ unionist.
DeleteAnon af 6:43
DeleteOK, pal.
Name a better one.
I will try not to guffaw...........
The SNP is shite and the others are too. Tell us something we don’t all know already!
DeleteSo........which one should form Scotgovt?
Delete'Cause one of them has to.......
My bet is SNP plus Labour coalition. Give it a year and you and Kavanagh will be arguing how vital it is we WE BOTH VOTES SNP so that Swinney is in the better bargaining position to be First Minister in their coalition.
DeleteWGD used to be good but is now always boring on about the far right and doesn't bother with Indy any more. Yawn.
DeleteHere in Edinburgh, the council’s Labour run, despite them being not the largest, or even the second largest party. They rule from joint third place!
DeleteSo I wouldn’t rule out something just as hideously undemocratic in Holyrood as Sarwar being FM with the SNP propping him up from first place. What’s more important: independence or their careers? Get the lion’s share of the ministerial briefs and an alliance becomes a cynical career sustaining exercise they try to pass off as “constructive unity against populism”
8:13
DeleteI liked Kavanagh better when he wrote about what independence could do for us all. The positive case for independence is there to be made and he was good at it. He really should get back to it again (anyone mind “the wee ginger book” project?) as it’s the constructive contribution that we need, instead of finger pointing at red/yellow/fash Tories or indeed at each other!
The goal’s still there. Without leadership, we can’t get to it, but we can still talk about it, write about it and debate what we want to achieve.
I asked which Party do you think 'SHOULD' form the next Scotgovt, not which Party(ies) by betting/polling might.
DeleteFor me, the SNP should form the next Scotgovt, either by majority of as the lead partner with another credible and electable Indy Party.
That would be my choice.
Robin takes Robin seriously!
DeleteThen what happens? Seriously we're essentially fighting to keep things as they are.
DeleteThe status-quo is shit & we're being asked to keep things this shit?
Anon @9:09 PM we get 5 more years of SNP Government??
DeleteChrist why isn't that enough for some people...
Famagusta Nell - so you prefer people who get it wrong. Says it all about people like you.
ReplyDeleteRepeating the same old twaddle for years doesn't make the twaddle right. Just makes the twaddlemonger look like a tit and one trick pony.
DeleteTwaddle like no indyref in 2023, and no plebiscite election by the SNP?
DeleteMust be nice living in your world where Nicola did what she promised and Scotland was an independent nation again. The rest of us are stuck in this one where the SNP failed us all and left us stuck in the UK.
Aw. Poor wee you. You're bringing tears to my glass eye, you wee sowel.
DeleteWESTMINSTER ARE TO BLAME FOR THAT NO IFS NO BUTS REFERENDUM NOT HAPPENING!
DeleteFucking hell...
Anon at 6.36pm posting it twice disnae make it any more correct. Are you that thick that you don't know that if you use " .... " it is to be the exact words used . It seems stupid people like you cannae help but be stupid. Best you remain an anon.
ReplyDeleteBetter check on punctuation conventions. Happy to help.
DeleteHilarious that Idiot for Scotland tries to criticise other people’s use of the rules of grammar and punctuation and gets it completely wrong. He is Idiot of the year and it’s only February. Comedy gold.
DeleteAren’t you a sharp wee spoon, laddie.
DeleteDavid Francis6.32pm. WGD is an excellent SNP propaganda site and it's not surprising you like it. Its people like you and Kavanagh that are responsible for independence being taken off the table by Swinney.
ReplyDeleteGood to see you are getting the hang of the paragraph thing and you have restricted your shouty cap words to only three in your rant.
WGD’s great for reminding folk that Nigel Farage is still bad, Tories are still Tories, and Labour are too. Tbf. he writes better than the National does, but it’s just as informative and effective. London Rule is still shite for Scotland then? Glad you cleared that up.
DeleteSo, eh, what are we doing about setting Scotland free then? Is Swinney giving a great speech at conference by any chance? Will he even mention it?
Still, at least WGD’s comments section keeps Skier off the streets. That part is a service to us all.
What are you doing? Easy to criticise. Jog on.
DeleteWithout Swinney giving us a political event to campaign for, we’re all stuck and you know it.
DeleteOr are you busy chapping on doors telling folks the End (of the Union) is Nigh again? I bet you’re as popular as the Jehovahs.
Hullo! Cold tonight, isn’t it! Say, can I interest you in the case for indep…
DeleteWell, gosh, you didn’t have to slam the door. Why must they all do that?
“Soar Alba!”
The blank bit was (slips a folded print out of the WGD homepage through the letterbox) but I used the wrong kind of brackets. 🤓
DeleteIFS just fuck off with your shite.
DeleteONLY The SNP can form the Government you inbred imbecile.
Actually, the Greens would definitely give Labour a chance. What an achievement that would be for Yes! As uninterested in independence as FM Swinney.
DeleteIfs- everyone is stupid but you apparently. Sadly you have no self awareness. You don’t support the SNP, ALBA but demand independence. Saying it over and over doesn’t get independence.
ReplyDeleteIFS is the neighbourhood kook!
DeleteHo does nothing to promote Indy. He is a sad we troll, one hand on his keyboard, the other under his desk. Ignore him and he will eventually go back to WOS.
DeleteYou’ve been saying that for a fair while now, twitching away there pleasing yourself too.
DeleteIFS likes saying the same thing over and over. At least that's what she said earlier.
DeleteOnly by voting SNP can we get independence. Just like Nicola there's a secret plan in the works!
DeleteDoes this one involve saying Beetlejuice three times? Or have we moved on to feeding Gizmo after midnight?
DeleteWee Ginger Dug is a fairly decent read if you have even a passing interest in Scottish politics. Paul Kavanagh has a way of cutting through the noise with analysis that is somewhat insightful and has just the right amount of humor. His commentary on Westminster is occasionally decent, and his support for Scottish independence is consistent. Not the worst place to keep up with the debate.
ReplyDeletePaul Kavanagh's endless begging-letter drivel has not bore any relevance since 2016.
DeleteWings Over Scotland is blunt in style and focuses on calling out political opponents in a way that is combative towards the SNP and leading SNP figures. Wee Ginger Dug is gentler in tone but still sharp in analysis. It is more narrative-driven. Paul often intersperses his pieces with news about poor health. His blog is more about making positive case for SNP politics. If Wings is the battering ram, Wee Ginger Dug is the persuasive storyteller. One thrives on poking the hornet’s nest, the other on rallying the troops with warmth and wit.
ReplyDeleteAgent Campbell is doing sterling service for the Union !
DeleteWith Wings you can tell that he has some genuine anger towards the SNP as well and that anger resonates with many.
DeleteIt's partly why there's a divide in the movement as we've got one side calling for unity behind the SNP and the other side are pissed off as they see the SNP as the problem.
Peter A Bell is the solution.
DeletePeter Bell wishes he was as sexy as John Swinney.
DeleteI don't remember posting that.
DeleteDo I have a doppelganger on here, James?
Did someone say something? I was just admiring John Swinney signing a deal with the Mayor of London. Love seeing UK regions working together!
DeleteHis top secret wheesht for indy hold until you see the whites of their eyes plan is…
DeleteSeriously, don’t tell the unionists. Not a word, right?
…to hug them really close and cop a little feel. That’ll get it up em! They’ll be dissolving the union in the streets of Arsenal tonight.
For 18 years, the Scottish National Party has led Scotland, boldly navigating from one crisis to another with an unwavering commitment to... well, mostly staying in power. From the abandoned Deposit Return Scheme to the scrapped National Care Service, the SNP has repeatedly proposed ambitious policies, mismanaged them spectacularly, then quietly abandoned them. Yet, as the 2026 Holyrood election looms, it is clear: the only way to change Scotland’s future is to vote SNP for another term in government!
ReplyDeleteOf course, change isn’t easy. Just ask the architects of the Ferguson Marine Ferry Scandal, where two ferries commissioned in 2015 have cost taxpayers over £400 million, with no completed vessels in sight. Or consider the crisis in Scotland’s NHS, where record waiting times, chronic staff shortages, and funding issues continue to spiral despite years of SNP pledges to fix them. Scotland also remains the drug death capital of Europe, with successive SNP administrations failing to address the crisis. Meanwhile, Michael Matheson, the former Health Secretary, attempted to claim nearly £11,000 in expenses for his family’s data roaming charges before finally resigning in disgrace.
The SNP’s commitment to environmental policies has been just as impressive. The Deposit Return Scheme was so well-planned that it collapsed before even launching, leaving businesses frustrated and the public confused. The Highly Protected Marine Areas Bill, which aimed to restrict fishing, was scrapped after backlash from rural communities. Climate change targets, once hailed as world-leading, have quietly been abandoned as the government admitted they were unachievable.
Education has fared no better. Closing the attainment gap was meant to be the SNP’s defining mission, yet after years of bold rhetoric, Audit Scotland reported that progress has been limited, and in some areas, the gap has widened. The Curriculum For Excellence continues to attract criticism, while Scotland’s standing in international education rankings has fallen. The long-promised Tenants' Rights Bill, meant to deliver rent controls and eviction protections, remains delayed despite growing housing insecurity. Former SNP farming minister Fergus Ewing also accused the government of diverting £86 million in rural funds, meant for Scottish farmers, to public-sector wage rises.
Yet the biggest failure of all has been the SNP’s inability to deliver independence, despite holding power for nearly two decades. Brexit was an opportunity, but instead of capitalising on it, the SNP hesitated. During Theresa May’s weak government, when she relied on DUP votes to survive, they did nothing. Boris Johnson’s chaos provided another opening, but rather than seizing the moment, the SNP focused on an ill-fated Supreme Court case, which only confirmed the UK Government’s legal authority to block a referendum. At one point, the SNP even appointed a Minister For Independence—then quietly scrapped the role. More recently, they took the bold step of cutting all independence-related spending from their budget, showing just how committed they are to the cause.
And yet, dear reader, there is only one way to bring real change to Scotland: vote SNP! Yes, the very party that has been in power since 2007, abandoned countless policies, mismanaged public funds, and wasted every opportunity for independence, is the only option to change Scotland’s trajectory. Because if we’ve learned anything over the past 18 years, it’s that real change only happens when you let the same people stay in charge indefinitely.
So, at the next election, don’t let Scotland fall into the hands of those who haven’t had nearly two decades to prove themselves. Vote SNP—because only by doing the same thing over and over again can we ever hope for a different result!
David, mate, calm down—it's me, David! Why are you shouting at yourself?
DeleteWe both know the SNP is the only way forward. I mean, sure, 18 years of government, policy failures, and missed opportunities, but who else is going to promise change while keeping everything exactly the same?
Now, let’s not argue with ourselves. Vote SNP—for consistency, if nothing else!
Folks, there is a FANNY on here posting under my name.
DeleteIt really ain't too difficult to spot that WANKER-COWARD and his Anti-SNP bilge.
Treat that Slime as you wish.
David, please, we talked about this. You said we’d stop fighting ourselves in public. Stay calm. Breathe. We both know the SNP is the only answer. Now, let’s go have a chat in the mirror and sort this out like rational people.
DeleteVote David Francis 1 & 2
DeleteDavid Francis is absolutely right! Less of the narrow minded exclusionary zeal by the like of David Francis and more sharp-eyed perspective by David Francis. Down with David Francis and long live David Francis!
DeleteThank you for the support. I'm honoured!
DeleteGet lost, you. I’m talking about David Francis!
DeleteFor once I agree with David Francis... the one @ 9:36 PM.
DeleteHe does make some very good points & the absurdity of expecting change by just keep doing the same thing that doesn't result in change.
James I think you need to ban IFS.
ReplyDeleteIt's clearly him impersonating me, that inbred weasel. His anti-SNP stance is known and shouldn't be tolerated on a SNP blog!
Come on David, IFS has got his faults, but I’m sure he wouldn’t do that.
DeleteYou’re jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Wasn't me, pal.
DeleteHave emailed James to get my 'alias' removed.
Would the real David Francis please stand up!
DeleteDavid Francis at 9.57pm - the last thing I would want to do is impersonate a bampot troll like you.
DeleteSo according to David SGP is an SNP blog. Yet it says at the top of the blog it is a pro Independence blog.
Since you turned up as David Francis you have been acting as if you own James Kelly and his blog and telling him to do this and that.
No, I’m David Francicus!
DeleteDavid Francis is James Kelly's fanboy stalker.
DeleteIfs, you're obviously replying to a fake David Francis. Come on.
DeleteAnon at 10.42pm - why are you so sure?
DeleteThe relationship between @ScotGov and @cityoflondon will be underpinned by a renewed Partnership Agreement focusing on investment, green finance and fintech.
ReplyDeleteFirst Minister @JohnSwinney formally signed the Agreement in Edinburgh with @citylordmayor and @citypolicychair.
Don't you just love having a unionist First Minister?
Indeed. On top of the SNP's track record of incompetence and political hari-kari (especially the gender zealotry), there's also the fact that their 'leadership' is unwilling to accept the nature of self-determination. No country which ever sought independence asked permission from its occupying or colonial power. Indeed, even those states which have separated, such as Czechoslovakia and the Nordic states, sought velvet divorces. Given the UK's spiral of decline and its economic dependence on Scotland's resources, we cannot expect such reasonable treatment. Salmond was at least right that you have to use political opportunities to your advantage. There's been a total absence of strategic or tactical nous from the SNP for the past decade. That's really the killer point which reveals that the redactions were there for a reason and that the leadership was perfectly happy with devolution in its present form, if not for more treacherous reasons.
DeleteI would add that the proposed change to the SNP constitution, which would make it practically impossible for a serious challenger or stalking horse to stand for the party leadership should be the final proof that the party is captured. It may be possible to rescue it even at this stage, but it will require a mass campaign and probably a legal challenge to boot.
DeleteFinances is another way. Everyone knows the party’s accounts are dodgy AF. Requisitioning still more cash from local branches to stuff the hole is another piece of the rule change proposal. They’re worried, about getting caught and about getting caught out.
DeleteThe REAL DF here, folks.
ReplyDeleteSigning off for tonight until James gets his act together and bins my impersonater.
I will let the usual Anon/False Name Dross talk to themselves.
Ta ta.
You could like log into your Blogger account?
DeleteWithout logging in you might as well be another Anonymous as without having an account you don't own any name being used. There's no way for James to know who's the real David Francis is.
That’s asking a lot of me, pal. Where’s your login, smart arse? Jog on.
DeleteI mean you're asking James to figure out which comments under your name are fake and delete them, and keep doing this every time it happens for the rest of time. Compared to that I'm not sure logging in to your account is asking that much.
DeleteTalking trash. Agreement’s have to happen all the time. Tory councils , labour U.K. government and the rest. Try your best but Independence is our goal unlike some.
ReplyDeleteNa Swinney has form. He willingly took part in Starmer's 'Council of the Nations and Regions' placing himself on equal standing with a London Mayor.
DeleteActions speak louder than words and Swinney seems to always be all smiles and eager to be part of those kind of obvious attempts to bring the United Kingdom closer together.
Yes. You may also remember that Jim Cuthbert pointed out the bum deal which Swinney did as regards the funding formula for Scotland, which has since been embedded even further by Shona Robison. I believe that one aspect of it was population increase - and the recently published projections for the UK make it crystal clear that Scotland will continue to lose out on that alone.
DeleteShoulder to shoulder for the master. It’s The Bridge on the River Kwai strategy! Brilliant.
Delete#dontcallusnationalist
Just before I sign off for the night folks,
ReplyDeleteI’m more than certain IFS is a unionist plant.
A rose or a thistle. Who to believe? A phoney David Francis or someone who called it right about Sturgeon?
DeleteI like to be thought of more as an Aspidistra, myself. Thanks for asking.
DeleteTHIS is the actual David Francis and I'm finding it utterly pathetic that James has allowed these anti-SNP imbeciles to tarnish my good name.
ReplyDeleteSort it out!
Goodnight Daveyboy. Dinnae worry yourself, we’ll keep the David Francises within reasonable limits.
DeleteMight want to register a Google Account the morn, tho, so James has any idea which Davey you are.
Well, you and whoever else is motivated enough. Sleep tight old man.
loool The Front page of The National for Friday 31st January.
ReplyDeleteDavid Francis loves to troll other people but disnae like it when he gets it back. I don't know who the other David Francis is but it couldnae
ReplyDeletehappen to a more deserving person. Perhaps it is the person that Francis keeps calling all manner of coarse names - Campbell of Wings.
Tomorrow's front page: Nicola Sturgeon says she couldn't have done anything differently to get a referendum ... and we're in The Hague covering a major global news story on fresh action against Israel
ReplyDeleteWe miss you Saint Nicola! Please come back to lead the party and faff about on pointless publicity seeking shite again. With Farage terrorising us from London soon, Scotland needs a toxic, narcissistic waster more than ever!
DeleteAction against Israel? Who from? Has Bibi pissed off Trump already? All the other usual suspects are out of ammo.
DeleteMy guess is Humza Yousaf.
DeleteThe Notional. The newspaper that loosely supports an independent Scotland.
DeleteI saw this on LBC via elsewhere:
ReplyDelete"Trump insists tariffs are paid by the country they are imposed on, but this is not true - tariffs are paid by American companies that import goods and services from those countries."
Tariffs can be pre-paid by the supplier before collection for export and couriers can handle this, plus for the likes of food and drink there is already a US portal which may already allow prepayment by the supplier in advance as well as "booking" it in.
For a country like the USA which represents about 12% of the global import market (China being about 10%) it would be no great shakes to insist that ALL imports have prepaid tariffs or be rejected by Customs. This would as a bonus probably make customs cheaper for the US, and even reduce the need for storage waiting for payment before release.
Just thought you'd all like to know that!
Basically speaking just because something is the norm, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
DeleteI'm surprised that some here still seem to believe that Alex was an independence "fundamentalist" when he spent the 1980s and 90s promoting the gradualist strategy within the SNP.
ReplyDeleteWhen the SNP was developing its manifesto for the 2011 Scottish election it believed it could never win an overall majority of MSPs so it felt it safe to commit to an independence referendum should it win an overall majority.
We were all astonished but delighted when it actually won that majority but the party was then faced with a huge dilemma. At the time, support for independence was down below 40% and it was clear to many of us that we'd lose such a vote in 2014. This was confirmed by our voter ID (in Edinburgh Pentlands) at the time.
Alex knew how such a referendum defeat would undermine the SNP and desperately tried to have a DevoMax option included in the referendum question so he could argue afterwards that the Scots were "moving towards independence". Westminster, however, also recognised our dilemma and refused to countenance DevoMax.
Alex had no option but to continue to push for it but David Cameron knew he was onto a winner right to the signing of the Edinburgh Agreement in October 2012 and refused to countenance a DevoMax option in any form.
We should ALL learn from history! The myth, which was being touted in 2021, by Alex and others, that the SNP was now a "devolutionist" party and that only alba was interested in independence, was a deliberate lie to attract impatient, naive and, I would argue, in some cases ambitious activists in the independence movement to the new party. As James has revealed, it should be no surprise to anyone that it has crashed and burned.
I'm pleased to see some of those, who genuinely saw it as a sound strategic development to forward the cause of independence, now returning to the SNP but I'd remind them that there will be occasions when they will, once again, find themselves at odds with SNP strategy and policy down the line. This has always been the situation in the SNP and, as a member of the 79 Group from its inception, I recall the internal warfare, much of it phoney and ego-driven, in the 80s and 90s SNP.
The fundamental and over-riding lessons I learned then and the next generation should learn now, is that...
1) when we are seeking to win the hard and sustained support of over half the population of Scotland, there will always be considerable disagreement on policy and strategy.
2) we will never win independence behind a divided movement.
As James has pointed out in his statistical analyses over the years, support for independence continues to grow even when our political earth is at its most scorched and barren. Yes, that growth is often slow and incremental and every three steps forward will be, almost inevitably, followed by two steps back but the "alba experiment" is only the latest illustration that unity and focus are the key prerequisites for achieving our ultimate goal of independence.
Every claim in this comment is flawed, revisionist or ignores how the SNP worked under Salmond. Saying he wasn’t an "indy fundamentalist" is misleading. He played a strategic game to make indy electable, but he was never a gradualist. The SNP under him used devolution as a stepping stone, not an end goal. His govt’s policies and rhetoric framed indy as the logical next step, with a referendum always the aim.
DeleteThe idea the SNP never expected to win in 2011 and only included a referendum as a throwaway promise is nonsense. Salmond was a sharp strategist who knew Scottish politics better than his opponents. The 2011 manifesto was designed so that if the SNP won, it had an undeniable mandate for a referendum. The landslide may have surprised some, but the SNP clearly planned for it.
Saying indy support was below 40% and doomed in 2014 is another misrepresentation. It was always going to start below 50%, as with any major constitutional shift, but the campaign took it to 45% by referendum day.
The claim the SNP was "desperate" for DevoMax is false. Salmond admitted it was just a tactic. He knew Westminster would reject it, letting him frame the referendum as a clear choice. Far from being forced to drop it, he used it as leverage to get what he really wanted, like votes for 16 and 17-year-olds.
Saying Cameron controlled negotiations is laughable. The Edinburgh Agreement was a huge concession, as it legitimised the referendum and put it in the hands of the Scottish Govt. Cameron didn’t "refuse DevoMax" because he was winning—he refused it because a three-option ballot risked overwhelming support for more autonomy, boxing Westminster in.
The real issue now isn’t multiple pro-indy parties, it’s the SNP wasting every real opportunity. Instead of using their mandates, they stalled, focused on other issues, and alienated the movement by refusing to act.
Alba might not have succeeded electorally, but it exists because of SNP inaction, not as a cause of division. Saying unity wins indy ignores that the movement *was* united in 2014. The problem isn’t division, it’s leadership.
Scotland sent 56 SNP MPs to Westminster in 2015, yet nothing was done. Brexit changed everything, but instead of acting, the SNP hesitated. When Boris Johnson’s govt was in chaos, the SNP went to the Supreme Court, which predictably gave Westminster legal clarity to block a referendum.
The movement isn’t divided because people argue—it’s divided because the SNP won’t act. If indy is going to happen, waiting for the SNP is pointless. The party that negotiated the Edinburgh Agreement now can’t even outline a plan for indy. The movement doesn’t need patience, it needs leadership, urgency and action. Otherwise, another decade will pass with nothing but excuses.
There is a little known condition that can be brought on by excessive rubbing of the bishop. Call it the two tier Keir syndrome. This often manifests in moments of political clarity and a soft cuddly feeling. Often it can appear to the lay person that two entirely different people are writing on political blogs when in fact it is the same person experiencing their cuddly side.
ReplyDeleteGiven time this gladly can pass.
If the political wind changes see yesterday Findoutnow poll showing Reform on 27 points this can leave the sufferer of the Kier syndrome frozen in one or the other state. If Dave has this condition then the best outcome is for the frozen state to be the cuddly with the associated clarity. This is much preferable to society as they tend to get less abuse and benefit from the clear and well argued political musings.
ReplyDeleteOff to enjoy my porrage.