Tuesday, January 7, 2025

So I discovered one thing last night - at least one person is keen enough on Ash Regan becoming Alba leader that they are willing to manipulate internet polls to astroturf momentum for her

Although self-selecting online polls are hopelessly unscientific, there's a case to be made for paying some slight heed to them in situations such as the Alba leadership election, because one thing we know for almost certain is that no polling companies will be conducting polls of Alba members.  I suppose straw polls could be taken at branch meetings to get a sense of who is winning, but the results would still not be reliable, because people who attend branch meetings are not necessarily representative of the wider membership.  (Indeed, that was one of the very points I repeatedly made at the Constitution Review Group before Mr McEleny got me removed from my elected position - ie. that all members should be democratically empowered, not just the minority who are able to turn up for meetings.  It predictably went down like a lead balloon, but I stand by that point absolutely.)

Curiously, the first Twitter poll that I saw of the leadership election was run by, of all people, Mike Small of Bella Caledonia.  It showed Ash Regan with a decent lead over Kenny MacAskill. However, I wondered if that might have been partly due to the four-way format, with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh and Angus MacNeil included as candidates, even though they are unlikely to stand.  So I decided to see what would happen if I ran a head-to-head poll between Mr MacAskill and Ms Regan, and initially, as I suspected would happen, Mr MacAskill did better and built up a slight lead.  

But then I checked back half an hour later and suddenly 500 votes had appeared out of nowhere, and almost all of them were for Ms Regan, who had raced away into an almost 9-1 lead.  It was obvious one or more Regan supporters had manipulated the poll.  Someone suggested there may have been an innocent explanation, perhaps due to Regan supporters enthusiastically sharing the poll among their fellow travellers, but having thought about it, that just doesn't make any sense.  500 people is getting on for 10% of the entire Alba membership, and the idea that they're all reachable within 30 minutes is stretching credibility somewhat.  More likely, perhaps, is that somebody was able to use a large number of fake accounts to give the appearance of widespread support for Ms Regan.

So in a sense this is good news for those like me who are horrified by the thought of a Regan leadership installing Chris McEleny as Alba's éminence grise, because if my poll was manipulated by a Regan supporter, there's a fair chance the same thing happened to the Bella Caledonia poll, which would call into question Ms Regan's lead in that one.  My gut feeling remains that Kenny MacAskill is likely to be elected leader if he stands - with that 'if' being the key variable.

I'd have to say that reading some of the replies to the poll was like stepping into Narnia.  Graeme Spence, Number One Super-Fan of the Regan / McEleny combo, is still pushing the line that Mr MacAskill's 1.5% of the vote in Alloa & Grangemouth is a sign that he is unpopular and out of touch with the electorate.  News-flash, Graeme: Kenny MacAskill took 1.5% of the vote because he was the Alba candidate, not because he was Kenny MacAskill.  His result was bang in line with all Alba candidates in Scotland, including Chris McEleny himself, who took just 1.8% of the vote in Inverclyde. It's likely that part of the reason Eva Comrie outpolled Mr MacAskill in Alloa & Grangemouth is precisely that she ran as an independent and wasn't weighed down by the baggage of the Alba brand.

Someone else claimed Ash Regan should be leader because she's an MSP and "polls show" she will hold her seat.  It's as if Chris McEleny saying something in an email is enough to make it real.  To reiterate, the true position is as follows: all polling companies with the sole exception of Find Out Now currently show Alba on course for zero seats, which would mean Ash Regan would lose her seat.  And even if Find Out Now are right and every other polling firm is wrong, there's still no guarantee she would hold on, because Alba would only be taking a list seat in three out of eight regions.

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99 comments:

  1. Whoever is leader will make pro impact on independence for Scotland

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    1. We need to get celebrity endorsements to move the whole thing on. Has anyone thought of reaching out to high profile high worth individuals like Billie Eilish or Harry Styles to get there support? ... That's the way forward in my opinion.

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  2. Yet another mail in the Alba coffin. The barefaced audacity is almost unbelievable. They are treating their own members like idiots. No wonder they want to suck up to Musk. So much in common. By 2026 they should be finished.

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    1. I mailed your mom.

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    2. In a seance you cretin?

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    3. Carole-Anne PuffnidgeJanuary 8, 2025 at 2:50 PM

      What a horrible question to ask!

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  3. It's sad to see the indy movement descend into this type of in fighting.

    We've always been like this haven't we?

    I don't have any problems with the public pronouncements of Alba but the stories on here make me pause. No idea why like minded indy supporters can't bury the hatchet and unite the people. I'm addressing this at Chris Mceleny more than anyone.

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    1. I don’t think we have. In the lead up to 2014 the movement was pretty much United. Subsequently SNP took their eye off the ball, were infiltrated by Westminster and we know all too well what happened thereafter. John Swinney has at last shown a bit of political guile, and we need more of that, and we need it applied directly to Indy and the 2026 election. I hope Alba just go. They are toxic and hugely damaging. J S is quietly disarming the gender brigade and focussing on the issues people need SNP to be good at. Competent government, NHS, cost of living and pursuit of Indy. Where the hell is the rebuttal unit to counteract the BBC MSM, who are ramping it up with each passing positive for Indy poll?

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    2. Hi thanks for reply, I agree completely.

      The likes of Wings when good is what is needed. Someone who will fight against the drip feed of nonsense criticism.

      I do think some criticism is merited but there are parts of Scotland which are measurably better than rUK which you wouldn't know..

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    3. "The likes of Wings when good is what is needed. Someone who will fight against the drip feed of nonsense criticism."

      When did he last do that? Eight years ago? Mosy of his posts these days are about trans issues.

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    4. Hi , yes that's what I was alluding to.

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    5. Most of the posts on this blog are about alba issues. At least trans issues are more relevant

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    6. More relevant to who?

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    7. This is an ALBA issue in the main. How lucky most of the agitators left the snp. Will Cherry join them?

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    8. 6.19pm Correct you don’t want people who want independence in the SNP as it is a party of devolution.

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    9. Anon 5.24 to the voting population as opposed to the small and irrelevant Alba membership

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    10. Anonymous 6.24
      Alex Salmond Hugo Young Lecture January 2012:
      "...I recognise that there is a significant strand of opinion in the country which might want to consider an alternative for Scotland which lies between the status quo and outright independence.
      To consider an additional referendum question which takes account of popular opinion is simply being democratic. The fact that such an option might be popular isn't a good reason for denying people the right to choose it."
      ...and Kenny MacAskill in 2021 in Grousebeater:
      "Building a coalition to expand the powers of the Scottish Parliament without breaking the Union must surely be possible. It also has the benefit of allowing proponents of both absolute positions to see it as a basis for either going forward incrementally or entrenching the foundations more firmly."
      The hypocrisy (or is it just ignorance?) of some alba supporters is utterly breathtaking.

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    11. Stewart Dredge - I am not an Alba supporter and the fact you assume that says more about you. I thought people like you take the view Alba is irrelevant so why are you ranting about Alba as a reply to the fact that the SNP have done nothing to advance independence for the last ten years despite being handed mandate after mandate by voters like me.
      I am sure many people could quote all the promises made by Sturgeon and others in the SNP about independence over the last ten years that they failed to deliver on. Alba is not and has never been the vehicle for independence. The SNP claim ownership of independence but do nothing to deliver it. That makes them like so many other political parties - untrustworthy liars.

      You quote Salmond but at the end of the day he delivered an independence referendum back when the SNP actually delivered on its promises.

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    12. Just replying to your ridiculous "party of devolution" statement in the context of this alba-themed post.
      I suspect you really are an "alba anonymous" but unless you use a proper name you can hide behind your anonymity.
      If you're going to get all offended why not have the courage to use your own name?

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    13. Stewart Dredge - I am offended by all political parties who say one thing and do the opposite. There is nothing ridiculous about saying the SNP is a party of devolution. The last 10 years provide the actual proof. I prefer evidence to someone on the internet saying otherwise. How do I know that is your real name? Not that I care anyway. Your comment is just deflection. I used a real name on this post just to keep you happy. Hope you like my choice.

      You can suspect all you want but some of you SNP people seem to be obsessed with Alba even though you keep saying it is irrelevant.

      It should be obvious to you the quotes you posted of Salmond and MacAskill do nothing to disprove my point that the SNP is a party of devolution as both Salmond and MacAskill were SNP members. Clearly you have nothing to counter my argument so you try to throw in a jibe at Alba which to me is irrelevant.

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  4. James all of this only concerns users of social media. I don't and the majority of the population don't use the likes of Twitter, I think it's dropped to circa 10 pc. Is any of this stuff relevant?

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    1. That's a very odd comment. Whether you realise it or not, you're amplifying my point rather than undermining it. If very few people are on Twitter, where did those 500 votes for Ash Regan within 30 minutes come from? That's a rhetorical question, for the avoidance of doubt - the answer is clear enough.

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    2. It reminds me of an incident years ago in the Sunday Post where they got four letters complaining about the state of Coylumbridge post office. It was clearly an orchestrated campaign.

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    3. James I meant in the wider realm. That a poll on twitter will not affect the way ALBA members vote if they are not exposed to the 'numerical propaganda'. That is, Regan could show up on twitter poll to be massively ahead but ALBA members who don't use twitter are insulated. As far as I am aware a lot of ALBA members are older people.

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    4. Most Alba member are on Twitter
      The main promotion of alba is via Twitter and other social media platforms as the MSM ignored Alba
      There is no ability to join Alba by a paper form it has to be online
      If you look at Twitter polls Alba is a Lot more popular than in the real world. Most supporters have access to Twitter

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    5. Anon at 10.55. So Alba is popular with Alba supporters. Who woulda thunk it. They are an embarrassment and a distraction. The sooner they are gone the better.

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  5. I don't do twitter, but it's very likely even just one person registering multiple votes, or just a handful like 10. Perhaps by having the poll open in multiple tabs, and voting in each one and closing it.

    Upvotes on the likes of the National and Herald are easy to do multiples - you vote, refresh, vote, refresh. Having about 4 tabs open doing this works best. But it would depend on where you are and the speed of the internet connection - favouring those with superfast fibre.

    But it's also possible it's just done by a program - extract the HTML / code for the poll, and just do it via computer. It's surprisingly difficult to defend against that, similar I guess to DDOS attacks which are generally defended upstream at router level for that very reason. When I had a dedicated server I manually frigged the firewall to do a lot of it, the likes of rate limiting, but the hacking software is even more sophisticated these days, and distributed. Multiple accounts can almost certainly be bought for pennies by the hour.

    'tinternet ain't the trusting animal it used to be, with Guest FTP accounts and so on (laughs). I'm very rusty on this by the way. No need thanks be to eff.

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    1. "but it's very likely even just one person registering multiple votes, or just a handful like 10. Perhaps by having the poll open in multiple tabs, and voting in each one and closing it."

      No, you can't do that on Twitter polls, it's strictly one vote per account. It's still easy enough to manipulate, but only with a large number of multiple accounts.

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    2. Yes, that's the theory and presumably the claim. On the other hand something like sometwitzzzzz.comzzzz/cgi-bin/polls/albatwit/ldrvote.cgi?vote=Regan might do the job. Or not.

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  6. There is a Twitter API that allows users to post so given enough Twitter accounts 500 votes in 30 mins is child’s play.

    To add to the likelihood of funny business - after an hour or so and the extra 500(ish) Ash votes the number of views was 1300 and votes 650 so 50% of people that viewed the poll voted. That is quite high.

    Today the poll stands at 5,500 views and 1100 votes only 20% of those that viewed voted, more normal
    Backs up the idea something fishy went on

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  7. I would like everyone to know that I have a new plank in my manifesto. (No, it's not Chris McEleny.)
    If I am elected I will pardon al-Kilsythi.

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    1. Extremely humorous.

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    2. I still want to know how you found out I come from Kilsyth originally. Maybe I mentioned it years ago and forgot that I did, but if so I'd be grateful if you'd let me know because it would set my mind at rest. It also freaked me out when you impersonated my former girlfriend and called me "Jimmy".

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    3. Mike Thurston of Thurston Air Handling SolutionsJanuary 7, 2025 at 6:22 PM

      Think you mentioned it on the Grant Parker thing a few years back.

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  8. After reading this blog we have come to a new conclusion. Readers, it's time to end political parties.
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/dreaming-of-perfection/

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    1. Start with the Tories.

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    2. I hate Wings and I always loathed Paul McArtnay.

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    3. What do you think of John Le Non?

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    4. A total twat with a whining voice.

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  9. Ash is a good candidate.

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    1. A certain bearded cricket fan who moonlights as a political commentator certainly thinks Ash has her finger on things.

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    2. Honestly, you cannot have seen her at meetings.

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  10. Since she came on board, well the party's been a mess, but we'd miss her ginger hair and the way she likes to dress.

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    1. Anagram of Ash Fan club is Alba's Chuf. That doesn't add anything to the debate but it's an undeniable fact.

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  11. Self selecting polls aren’t worth the paper (or bandwidth) they’re printed on. Why are you getting so hot and bothered?

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    1. Even if this one hadn’t been so obviously rigged, it would have been skewed one way or another. Restricted to X users - tick. Restricted to folk who can be bothered voting in such a thing - tick. Restricted to folk who follow news about Alba - tick. etc etc hardly scientific and weighted.

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    2. Maybe you could try the first sentence of the blogpost, where I addressed that very point? Just a thought.

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    3. Perhaps you should try not deleting posts which answer your point. Just a thought

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  12. Imagining top loading the voting system for this poll. How sad that person must never.

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  13. James - your straw poll won't impact the outcome, but any member of Alba who thinks that Regan would be a better choice than Kenny MacAskill needs their head examined.

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    1. Any member of the SNP who thought Yousaf was a better choice than Forbes or Regan needs their head examined. Oh wait, thousands of them did vote for Yousaf the Brief.

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    2. I was at some of the debates - you weren’t, and regan was by far, the worst candidate.

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    3. Anon at 10.27am - I wasn't at any hustings as I am not an SNP member but I did watch them on line and I posted my comments live on SGP as they took place. Surprised you don't remember.

      Regan was the worst candidate if you are a devolutionist because she was the only one with a consistent focus on independence. If you wanted a competent politician then Forbes was the best choice but SNP members did what Sturgeon told them to do and vote for her useless protege. The worst option for both the SNP and independence.

      Your comments don't change the fact that SNP members voted for Yousaf the Brief because Sturgeon told them to vote that way.

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    4. If only the SNP ha voted for Ash...Kenny would now have a free run for Alba leadership.

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    5. If Regan gets rejected by Alba members then the ISP will welcome her.

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  14. I see Musk's best pal Trump has just REFUSED to rule-out using MILITARY FORCE to 'take' Greenland, if Denmark refuses to capitulate to his tariff threats and 'give' it to him.
    And to hell with what the Greenlanders want/don't want.
    A Putin-Clone, nothing more!
    As I said previously, any Scottish Politician who voluntarily sooks up to that cretinous megalomaniac Musk, is made of the same keech as him and his bestie.

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    1. Trump would have had his eye on an independent Scotland for sure.
      If 2014 had gone to Yes and iScotland had been daft enough to pull out of NATO (and may well not have full EU membership), Trump would be claiming the oil and gas fields, probably under the guise of protection from Russia. The US navy and US air force would have bases in Scotland to protect the oil interests and there would be Trump golf courses up and down the coasts.
      The world is a very different place than it was a decade ago.

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    2. How many countries did the Trump administration invade, again?

      Meanwhile, Scotland's been occupied by your beloved Brits every moment since.

      Trumpet talks a lot of shite, like all politicians. Judge them all by their actions. He's a pussy, and Nicola, like you, is a Brit.

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    3. It wouldn't all be bad. Trump would probably have paid iScotland a bit of rent. Enough to keep your men in Buckfast and pink brollies anyway. As we now know, women wouldn't have existed in post independence Scotland.
      Lucky escape all round.

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    4. Your men? Buckfast- produce by a religious order based in Engerland.

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    5. Trump wants American companies to locate in USA. Will he be moving Turnberry and the Aberdeenshire one to Florida? Asking for a South African friend.

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    6. Anon at 8.46. You sound as though you need to lay off the Buckie. Away to the Daily mail, your kind of people.

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    7. Anon @10.28 Yes, Buckfast brewed in Devon, makes up 0.5% of Scotch alcohol sales but contributes to 80% of alcohol based anti social behaviour.
      There's a lesson in the blood.

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    8. Anon at 12.49. Thanks for confirming. Away and sober up.

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  15. Every single alba politician EVER was elected as an SNP politician before they jumped ship, betraying the SNP activists who campaigned for them and the SNP voters who elected them.
    In the second half of 2020 the SNP, led by Nicola Sturgeon, had support for independence and the SNP at their highest ever levels and alba's deliberately divisive strategy on its formation in early 2021, played a major role in undermining that support.
    Much of alba defectors' on-line campaigning in the 2021 Scottish election involved abusing SNP members AND voters as cult-following morons and carrot-chasing sheep while begging SNP members to join alba and begging SNP voters to vote alba2 while re-electing Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister via SNP1.
    Kenny MacAskill nor Ash Regan nor any of the other of the potential alba leadership contenders are going to turn a monumentally stupid strategy into something positive for the Scottish independence movement and the best we can hope for is that they remain on the fringes while they quietly fade away.
    Ignore flirting with Elon Musk and votes of No Confidence, does anyone really believe that this person is going to advance the cause of Scottish Independence?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ZzwA2vcmM

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    1. "Too wee. Too fringe. And far, far too impactful."

      I don't support Alba either. But let's not pretend they are magically the cause of all the SNP's problems. Alba didn't write the HCA, Alba didn't mess up the ferries, Alba didn't put Isla Bryson into the women's prison, Alba didn't sell off Scotland's windfarms, and Alba didn't waste the opportunity of Brexit and Covid.

      Believe it or not, the SNP was running Scotland and leading our independence through all of that. The buck stops with them.

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    2. Do you work for the BBC?

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    3. As long as there are people like Stewart Dredge and anon @9.48pm independence is going nowhere because these people cannot face reality. There has been a mandate for indyref2 and a supposed independence majority in Holyrood since 2021. What have they done about independence - nothing. That’s your SNP - devolutionists and grifters.

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    4. Anon at 10- what’s your plan?

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    5. The plan is to vote Alba 😄

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    6. Anon at 10.00. Come into the real world and tell us what can be done? No? Didn’t think so.

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    7. Anon 12.40pm. I thought the SNP owned independence. That’s what its members/ supporters keep claiming. That’s how they get votes and money. If that is true it’s their job - your job - to deliver not me.

      So anon what is it - the SNP are phonies and it’s my job to tell you “what can be done “or it’s the SNP’s job.

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  16. What was the “opportunity” of Covid?

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    1. The sustained majority for YES in polls throughout 2020.

      If we held Indyref2 that year—make it a postal ballot, why not—we would have won.

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    2. There was absolutely no reason indyref2 could not be held in 2020/21/22. There was a Holyrood election in 2021.

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    3. You are clueless. The BBC and MSM would have had a field day with a damaging narrative that SNP value Independence more than people’s lives.

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    4. Anon 10.29am - typical surrender monkey stuff - too scared of the Britnat media to even breathe. I don’t remember anybody saying the 2021 election cost any lives. Referendums were held throughout the world during the pandemic. It’s you who is a clueless coward. 2021 could have been made a de facto referendum.

      Some clueless coward can always be relied upon to pop up to try to justify the SNP doing nothing.

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    5. Simplistic nonsense.
      Holding a Referendum requires all Local Autorities to play along.
      There was absolutely NO chance at that time, that the unionist-controlled LAs would co-operate, as Covid and its immediate aftermath provided the perfect 'excuse'.
      In my opinion, it would have been a complete non-starter.

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    6. Just to prove my point along comes David Francis. Ace apologist for SNP inaction. As I said some clueless coward will pop up to try to justify SNP inaction.

      If you can have an election you can have a referendum.

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    7. Anon at 2.32. The anon at 10.29 was agreeing with you. You really are a moron. And surrender monkey? What age are you. Away and sober up.

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  17. So, we are now in 2025. What’s your plan of attack to aid independence?

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  18. Wonderful to watch the Anon BritNat Bedwetters on here battling with the Albaist Amoebas, to grab the title of 'Most Irrelevant/Impotent Twat'.
    My money is still on the former........but only by a margin as miniscule as a Trump-Tadger!

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    1. Really???
      Explain to me WHY, in that case, theEURef went ahead in 2016 - mandated SOLELY by the Pro-EURef Parties (Tories/Ukip) getting just 37% of the vote in the 2015 UK General Election???
      WAY below 50%.
      According to your 'logic', it should have been "kicked into the long grass for years to come"!
      Why wasn't it???

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    2. I didn’t vote for Brexit, but like most people accept the result. Unlike independence supporters of course, who still refuse to accept the 2014 referendum result. It really is pathetic. Get over it and move on, for pity’s sake!

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  19. Seems you have a pretty high opinion of yourself. Still pride comes …..

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    1. Seems you have a pretty high opinion of yourself. Still…… Anything to say about Ash Regan and Alba?

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    2. Yes. 2 dumplings.

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  20. Is see in Wales that “.. Senedd First Minister Eluned Morgan said Plaid would be "held to account" if it did not support the budget, calling the politician "Rhun ap Negative". Do you think labour folk talk to each other at their britnat meetings called two-faced?

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  21. I'll be very interested to see how Ash Regan goes in a leadership contest. She wasn't good at all in the SNP hustings but people can improve their public speaking skills.
    An obvious example in politics would be David Cameron who was very stilted when he first became Tory leader but was a good performer at the despatch box in his last year's as PM.
    Alba leadership contenders need to be pushing each other throughout the contest for the best outcome.

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  22. The fact is many Loyal SNP supporters look on her as someone who dug the dagger in when she saw an opportunity supported by Salmond, Cherry and co. From and ALBA perspective what she couldn’t have predicted was what has happened in the past few months with AS passing and the vicious in-fighting and totalitarian approach by some in ALBA. Their members must be scunnered. Does not look good for her at the moment.

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  23. Fair enough, but if she is eventually chosen by upticks from anonymous friends she will not get ALBA elected anywhere. She is likely to lose her seat stolen from the SNP in 2026.

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  24. What's an uptick?

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