Wednesday, December 4, 2024

It's Disciplinary Eve here at Scot Goes Pop HQ - so I can't help but note the irony of the sudden emergence today of a new genre of Alba tweet, about how "expelling independence supporters from political parties is BAD"

Several months after the Alba leadership started targeting me, first by unconstitutionally removing me from my directly elected position on a working group that was (ironically) reviewing the party constitution, and then by arbitrarily suspending my party membership altogether, I will finally, at long last, face an actual "disciplinary" hearing tomorrow night.  Yvonne Ridley boasted that she had inside knowledge that it had been long since pre-decided that I will be expelled from the party outright - I've no idea if that's true, but I will very shortly find out, and I must say that based on what I've witnessed as an elected member of the Disciplinary Committee in recent months, I don't find the idea inherently implausible.

Given the irony of the timing, I couldn't help but be thoroughly bemused by the sudden emergence today of a new genre of tweet from leading Alba figures, which essentially amounts to "expelling independence supporters from political parties is BAD". An attitude I thoroughly approve of, if it's actually put into practice and means something.

Neale Hanvey: "Expelled for demanding *checks notes* action on independence. 

Independence is the @AlbaParty priority. 

@AngusBMacNeil will fit right in."

Suzanne Blackley: "Expelled for putting Independence front and centre.

No one should doubt his commitment to the cause and having people like Angus in Holyrood will actually see us make some progress!"

Robert Reid: "*Expelled for being too radical in pursuit of Scottish Independence.

Fixed it for you"

Crikey, this is inspiring stuff, isn't it?  "In our party, you can be bold, be radical, be yourself, speak your mind.  There's no need to self-censor. If you see something that's wrong, don't shut up, make demands.  Join us, and we won't take disciplinary action against you for doing these things like the SNP did.  You'll fit right in!"

I've gotta say, chaps, that is exactly the sort of party I thought I was joining when I joined Alba in 2021, but can you put your hands on your hearts and say it's actually worked out that way in the real world?  No, you can't.  Good independence supporters have been expelled from Alba this year, while others were subject to obscenely lengthy suspensions.  None of them were guilty of anything that anyone with an ounce of common sense would regard as genuine wrongdoing.  They weren't violent or threatening, they didn't defraud anyone, they didn't sexually harass anyone, they didn't use racist language.  All they were "guilty" of was trying to win independence in what the Alba leadership deemed to be the "wrong" way (ie. by continuing to work with indy supporters outside the party), or speaking out about what they genuinely - and in my view rightly - felt to be disturbing irregularities in the party's internal procedures.

In my case, I'm facing disciplinary action because I spoke out strongly and persistently about the need to democratise the party's system of internal elections. So whatever the outcome of tomorrow's hearing, I trust the committee won't make a total mockery of today's official narrative of "speak out, demand radicalism, and in Alba you'll fit right in!"  It would be rather odd if away from the public gaze that narrative suddenly morphed into a barrage of questions along the lines of "why didn't you shut up?  why did you speak publicly about your own personal views without authorisation? don't you realise Alba is a secret society and you can only say these things behind closed doors and even then THERE ARE LIMITS?", etc, etc, etc.

In 24 hours we shall see.

59 comments:

  1. It’s not just expulsions. Many of the people that resigned have been deemed ‘public resignations’ by the NEC. Many of the NEC members did not realise what they were voting for.

    Chris McEleny reads out a list of names and the NEC rubber stamps them. Allan Petrie did understand what was going on and he resigned on principle from the NEC. Others didn’t understand, were complicit or were too scared to speak up.

    But it means the person deemed a public resignation can’t return without a vote of the NEC

    Although in practice the NEC is not told a person has tried to rejoin.

    Maybe the NEC should ask Chris McEleny if anyone has tried to rejoin. Because he isn’t informing the NEC but rather he is directly telling the ex-member they can’t rejoin

    Many of the people deemed public resignations did not say anything against Alba when they resigned and those that did were mainly about the complete of farce last years elections.or were speaking out about other injustices similar to what happened to James

    I’m not sure Mike Dailly or Angus McNeill understand the club they have joined.

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    1. "Maybe the NEC should ask Chris McEleny if anyone has tried to rejoin. Because he isn’t informing the NEC but rather he is directly telling the ex-member they can’t rejoin"

      If he is doing that, it's almost certainly another direct breach of the party constitution. It's supposed to be the NEC that makes the decision on whether someone can rejoin in those circumstances, but they can't make that decision if Mr McEleny doesn't bother to inform them that the person has applied to rejoin.

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    2. Others did understand what was going on but chose to remain silent for fear of losing their own position

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  2. Maybe they will keep you in just to prove how fair and democratic McEleny and co. are. The Judge and Jury. Very economical.

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  3. James. James? James! Are you still there? They didn't, did they ...?

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    1. I did say in 24 hours' time. If Mr McEleny is reintroducing the ultimate penalty, I've yet to be told the grim news. Maybe he'll settle for the birch.

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  4. McEleny needs to lose some weight. Too young to be that fat.

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    1. Gordon Hazeldene - RickettsDecember 5, 2024 at 4:05 AM

      He's expecting a hard winter.

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  5. Looks like we've run out of road.

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  6. If they keep J K in as an attempt to save face, but nothing otherwise changes, what does he do then? Stay in an undemocratic party? Not really a good look. If McEleny has thought this through, that is what will happen. That is however a big if. It is all of course an issue here and nowhere else. The BBC and MSM will use it only if and when they deem it helpful in their 24/7 opposition to Indy.

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    1. That’s kind of one of the points being made. It will only become an issue if the BBC and MSM want it to be. The dilemma is the personal one for J K. Do you really want to be in Alba?

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    2. Could join the SNP, hop from the dumpster fire into a steaming pile of horse manure.

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    3. get in sharpish, so as to enjoy criminal charges

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  7. Good luck with the process James - maybe the worm has turned

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  8. The Herald. That bastion of political and editorial neutrality. It’s as bad as quoting Campbell. And that’s bad.

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  9. After all the blog posts and criticisms of certain people in Alba if James is not expelled would anyone believe that all is well?

    Like after everything's that been said it's extremely difficult to walk back from. Regular readers on here will rightly believe that irreparably damage has been done regardless.

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    1. In what I presume is the unlikely event that I am not expelled, I'm certainly not going to be pretending that all is well. My eyes have been well and truly opened about what is wrong with the way the party is being run and my focus would be on pushing for thoroughgoing internal democratic and administrative reform. It would be a very difficult road, though, because most of the reformers have already been thrown out or driven out.

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    2. Is that not what you were suspended for ?

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    3. For pushing for democratisation? Yes. But in the unlikely event that Mr McEleny's case against me is dismissed, that will be a green light for me to go back to pushing for democratisation, uphill struggle though it will be.

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    4. james should form his own party

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    5. Anon at 2.34: I'm sorry but you're completely wrong in each and every respect. The majority of people that Mr McEleny has targeted with bogus disciplinary cases have left the party in disgust before the hearing was held, which has allowed leading figures within the party to cynically brand them part of a "wee gang of malcontents" who were never committed to the party. Sorry, but that's not going to happen to me. If I'm expelled, there's nothing I can do about it, but it's not going to be tarted up as a "resignation".

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  10. Noticed that the unionist media is rejoicing that the SNP have included no provision for spending money on independence in the budget.

    There's already headlines like this: John Swinney 'waves white flag' on Scottish independence at last as allies turn on the SNP.

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    1. Kind of true though isn't it? Basically saying that unless the SNP have a proper working majority they're not even going to mention independence.

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    2. What's the point of the SNP in that case?

      Without independence they're just another Labour Party.

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    3. Anon at 9:29 ... could you tell us where that headline is, please? I can't see it anywhere, not very surprisingly.

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    4. Anon @ 10:23 AM

      Scottish Daily Express, not surprising from them but still.

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    5. Anon at 10.49 am .... thanks.

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  11. Anon 8:04 You are Brian Wilson and I claim my fiver.

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  12. Good luck with the hearing! I bet they're raging that you haven't just given up and resigned, so now they need to fabricate some evidence.

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    1. I bet it’s all vague. He’s getting expelled for vibes, not reality.

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  13. I don't agree one iota with too much bueauracy in a party and probably disagree with some of your views on party direction but it's absolutely, utterly not right what's happened to you. And it's shocking and self defeating the management by the secretary.

    We must be able to disagree in a political party and there must be an ability to have concerns raised in a fair manner.

    I wish you well.

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    1. What’s your name? You’re going on McEleny’s lifetime ban list!

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  14. Best Wishes Mr Kelly. I hope you get the result you desire.

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  15. Good luck although it seems with MacNeil wanting to be on the regional list with ALBA it must be galling for all the ALBA activists to see someone walking straight in to a position. No debate, no discussion. Just do as the anointed tell you.

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    1. A party's job is to get elected, not please it's members.

      You would have McNeill not top of a list? In all seriousness?

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    2. And if another 7 ex-SNP MPs defect to Alba, should they all go to the top of the other 7 lists, leaving none at all for the likes of Sheikh, McEleny, and loyal hard workers?

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    3. MacNeil got a massive personal vote in the Weatern Isles. He will surely give a great speech and conference and settle into the rôle.

      /s

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    4. I'm sure local activist Joe Bloggs would easily get elected instead.

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  16. No be from Alba will get elected. McNeil joining despite the attempts by the Alba leadership to push it has gone down like a damp squib.
    SNP need list votes and the new kids on the block Reform will be picking up seats
    Alba will be nowhere

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    1. Reform - new halfwits on the block.

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    2. Won’t someone PLEASE think of the devolutionists!

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    3. there is unlimited potential to be tapped among the self loathing cuckold Scots wanting a bigger, badder assraping from john bull ... to eat english shit and say more and thankyou master - what would the scotch do without you ... reform will tap into this

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    4. true fact - it's like if I lost my wallet and a superior englishman found it, I would say "you keep it, I will only spend it on deep fried mars bars, heroine and buckfast" - save me from myself

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  17. Bow down and KISS the RING. Go on! Doon on yer knees, sonny.

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    1. "FREEEEEEEEEEEE-DOOOOOOOOOOOM!"

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    2. Is that a result, or a prediction?

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  18. "Free Billy Connolly exhibition to be held in Glasgow gallery"

    Why, what did he get locked up for?

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  19. greatly impressed by john swinney - exclusive sources have revealed to me he has threatened to email starmer absolutely devastating demands

    - give indpenednce, pls. thx John

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    1. Take independence.

      The confusion that it must be politely asked for is what got us stuck. What can be requested can be refused.

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    2. By all means plot out a real world solution for us. Thanks in advance.

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  20. great impressed by the indefatigable anons of this blog and the studied autism of the name posters

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    1. Tiziano FlederminsieDecember 5, 2024 at 5:03 PM

      I thought it was the same person posting every few minutes,

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    2. I don't believe it is.

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  21. if the SNP win another mandate, westminsters position will be untenable ...

    - no one has said that for a while, maybe for 2026

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    1. Please sir, could you kindly take your boot off our face-fwffwwmmfffhhhh-gah-hhhhfffffummmpah—no, sorry? Thanks very-mwuhhhhh

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    2. “Westminster’s position will be untenable “

      LOL.

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