Tuesday, September 10, 2024

BREAKING: Propaganda outfit "Scotland in Union" caught fibbing about their own poll - the claimed numbers in the press release do not tally with the data tables, which actually show the SNP 1% ahead on the Holyrood constituency ballot

As you may already have seen, I have an analysis piece in today's edition of The National about the new Scotland In Union / Survation propaganda poll, and you can read it HERE.

Once again, Survation have agreed to use Scotland In Union's slanted question as a substitute for a genuine independence question, and I remain baffled as to why, because by this point they know perfectly well that it always, literally always, produces purported "independence support" several points lower than genuine independence support in conventional polls.  This is precisely the sort of stunt that brings the polling industry into disrepute, and Survation do have to accept some direct responsibility for it, because they're not usually shy about standing up to paying clients about the wording of poll questions that are potentially unclear, confusing or biased.  Indeed on headline voting intention questions they would generally say a flat no to the client changing the standard question, even by a single word.  My guess is that they very foolishly allowed a precedent to be set and afterwards found it impossible to say no to repeat runnings of the dodgy question.  However, the good news is that the 59-41 "pro-UK" split is very much within the normal range for the question, and thus lends support to the impression from the recent Norstat poll that support for independence has remained relatively stable since the general election two months ago.

Of much more interest are the Holyrood voting intention numbers from the poll, because Survation haven't distorted them by allowing their client to rewrite the question.  Not for the first time, though, I'm slightly confused by the reported results from the press release, because they don't seem to tally up with what would appear to be the definitive figures from the newly-published datasets on the Survation website - at first I thought it may just be an innocent mistake and that someone was looking at the wrong table, but no.  Having re-read the press release, it's obvious that Scotland in Union are intentionally playing silly buggers. Here are the real results, which contrary to the impression given by the press release actually show the SNP one point ahead on the constituency ballot.  

Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

SNP 31%
Labour 30%
Conservatives 12%
Reform UK 9%
Liberal Democrats 9%
Greens 6%
Alba 1%

Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:

Labour 28%
SNP 27%
Conservatives 12%
Greens 10%
Liberal Democrats 10%
Reform UK 9%
Alba 2%

Now that we know the real numbers, it doesn't actually feel like a radically different story from the recent Norstat poll - for the SNP to have any sort of lead in what should be Labour's honeymoon period is an extraordinary achievement and probably bodes well for what we can expect once the Labour government's unpopularity grows.  However, although I'm optimistic about the SNP remaining the largest single party in 2026 and possibly remaining in office, I'm not at all optimistic about the pro-independence majority being retained, and a big part of the reason for that is the 9% vote share for Reform UK, which would easily win Farage's party list seats.  This is one of the big problems we have with media bias - it's much easier for an anti-independence "insurgent" party to make a breakthrough due to the passive benefits of UK-wide coverage, whereas a pro-independence party will by definition by Scottish-only and will struggle to get a look-in.

This is a poor poll for Alba, there's no getting away from that, and it confirms what I and others pointed out about the recent Norstat poll, ie. that the 5% figure supposedly showing Alba on course for list seats was an illusion caused by Norstat's house effect.  Norstat is the successor firm to Panelbase, which all the way back to 2021 has repeatedly overestimated Alba's share of the vote, possibly due to the chance factor of having a disproportionate number of committed Alba supporters signed up to their polling panel.

In my blogpost last night about the Alba leadership's decision out of the blue to strip me of one of my three elected positions within the party (something which as far as I can see they have no right under the party constitution to do), I made reference to one of the uglier features of Alba internal politics recently, namely the leadership's cultivation of a "stab in the back" mythology that blames all the party's ills on a "wee gang" of "malcontent" ex-members.  In a recent email to Alba members, the party chair Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh made a song and dance about the Norstat numbers and then said this: "Inevitably, all signs of success from ALBA will be met by a handful of ex and disgruntled members who, when not fighting with each other, spend their lives on X tweeting offensive material about their former colleagues."

Don't shoot the messenger here, but as today's poll shows, those "signs of success" are largely imaginary.  Alba have been stuck on 1-2% in every election they have fought so far, and they remain stuck on roughly 2%.  The past and present do not necessarily predict the future, but as things stand Alba are not on course to win list seats, let alone to get close to Alex Salmond's stated target of 15% of the list vote.  That may be a brutal truth that people don't want to hear, but it is the truth.  Scotland desperately needs a real independence force with substantial list representation, but if Alba are going to achieve that or even play a partial role in achieving that, a fundamental rethink is going to be required, and the sooner we face up to that fact, the better.

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26 comments:

  1. Of course the brit press and media such as STV and BBC wont interrogate the figures the same way you do. They have no intention to either.

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  2. I hear arguments that for small percentages such as that for Alba, the results should be produced to one decimal place.

    Obviously, anyone familiar with stats in any way knows that it doesn't work like this and it's just not possible to say any more.

    I don't think that stats is taught well enough at school.

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  3. Alba members can achieve a role in creating a real independence force by rejoining the SNP and helping us get the numbers we need to regain control of the party.
    Alba was a brave attempt to try something else but it hasn't worked and the sooner we face up to that fact, the better.

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    1. But that literally was already attempted before Alba came into existence?

      Remember the "good guys" campaign to the SNP's NEC that was actually successful, but all of those on that NEC who attempted to implement reforms faced marginalisation and were undermined?

      Many left the SNP because they came to the realisation that it can't be reformed. You'd have a hard task to convince them it now can.

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    2. Also looking at the numbers those who ended up in Alba are just a small drop of the amount of people who left the SNP.

      Alba have a problem that they haven't managed to appeal to those people, but the fundamental reasons for why both groups left the SNP haven't changed.

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    3. Alba went too hard on the trans issue and some of the candidates let the team down.. the boxer etc. It needed to work 1st time and didn't.

      Hindsight an easy thing. I'm glad they tried and at least give an option to disgruntled indy voters.

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  4. 1-2% ALBA is still a failure.

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  5. Aye right ya Britnat bampot.

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  6. So many variables that I can think of that will especially lower the labour vote share of the next 18 months or so, such as a New Tory leader bringing back several percentage points from Labour due to renewed hope of change in that party.

    Maybe even a new SNP leader too such as Kate Forbes getting a honeymoon period

    And as you've pointed out Labours unpopularity losing them percentage points

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  7. “We will not let you down” said Sturgeon in 2015. Aye but you did didn’t you. You let down Scotland. You should clear off to England assuming you are not in prison soon.

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    1. A good Ayrshire person. Her mum and dad active in the movement before you had you even had your first movement.

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    2. Irrelevant to the point I made and childish movement talk. She let Scotland down big time.

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    3. Pity we never saw any movement towards independence when she was in charge.

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    4. Anon at 10.19. Tell us what you have done to promote Indy. Did N S let us down? In my opinion she did, as did A S but ad hominem attacks achieve nothing. Give it a rest or come up with proposals and suggestions. Not abuse and personal attacks. How is Idiot For Scotland these days?

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  8. There’s too much negativity at the moment. Independence will happen, we just have to be in it for the long haul.
    Maybe, just maybe, the SNP losing the ‘26 Holyrood election wouldnt be a bad thing. Give Labour 5 years in government, probably mess up, then the SNP can come back stronger than ever in ‘31, with a big push for Indy.

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    1. You have a point. Maybe a term in opposition wouldnae be such a bad thing for the snp

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    2. Devolution would be dismantled and there would be no chance of an Indy party getting back in to power to promote and push for Indy. I despair at the naïveté and lack of awareness of some on here.

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  9. Maybe if the snp lost would be good? Really the red tories, blue tories and Lib Dem’s together? You don’t like the people of Scotland if you want that. Maybe Regan will get a job but then she is going to be kicked out anyway.

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    1. You really are a thick plank of wud.

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  10. The Edinburgh gov seem tohave spent the whole £750MM from the Scotwind auction this year (£350MM in January, another £400MM right now). Next year they will still have to find £400MM to cover unbudgeted pay rises from this year. That's the entire Fire Brigade budget and more. Looks like things will get worse. And Shona Robison will be doing the sums again.

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    1. That's the crap devolution settlement for you. We pay Westminster pounds and they gie us back pence. Unless Holyrood get one of those magic money trees .

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    2. Let us keep our tax receipt and we will be more than ok. Your mates in Westminster will however be completely flucked.

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    3. Anons 2:32 and 6:48,
      You are both either deluded or totally brainwashed!

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