First of all, let me acknowledge that Chris Hanlon's own personal reasons for considering a leadership challenge may be very different from my own reasons for believing Humza Yousaf needs to be challenged. What I'm about to say is based on the premise that it would be a good thing if Yousaf is dislodged because it could save the SNP from a defeat next year that the wider cause of independence might never recover from. From that perspective, the objective of a challenge by a relatively unknown figure like Hanlon is not to oust Yousaf in one go, but instead to weaken his position in preparation for a better opportunity later on. The only exception to that would be if a more high-profile figure uses the opening up of a leadership contest to put themselves forward as a candidate, but at the moment that seems unlikely.
It has to be said that a leadership challenge does not in itself weaken the incumbent. The total opposite can even be true if the challenger underperforms, as for example Tony Benn did against Neil Kinnock in 1988. Allowances will be made for Hanlon given his low profile, but nevertheless if he was to be defeated by, say, 95% to 5%, that would probably strengthen Yousaf's position in the short term, especially given that Kate Forbes and her supporters would probably feel obliged to explicitly give their backing to Yousaf during the contest. Team Humza would doubtless spin it as an astounding surge in their man's popularity in a short space of time due to people seeing him in action as First Minister. They would say he had gone from narrow victor in the spring to having the party totally united behind him in the autumn.
So that's the potential danger, but in this case it's outweighed by the urgency of the electoral crisis the SNP face. As I keep pointing out, Yousaf really needs to be dislodged before a general election defeat occurs, not afterwards, and time is running out if that's going to be done. Kate Forbes, assuming she still wants the top job, appears to be biding her time until Yousaf crashes and burns at the general election, which may make perfect sense from her own personal point of view, but will be too late from the point of view of the independence cause. Others will have to take the initiative, and a 'stalking horse' leadership challenge may well be worth trying just to see if it's the pebble that starts the avalanche. Even if it goes wrong and Yousaf is temporarily strengthened, that may not make much difference in the long run because an SNP defeat at the general election would swiftly undo the effect anyway. (And if the SNP somehow avoid election defeat under Yousaf, he'll have proved us all wrong, in which case fair enough.)
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Other leadership challenges I recall were John Swinney vs Bill Wilson and Jeremy Corbyn vs that weird Viagra guy. In both cases the challenger was crushed comprehensively enough that the incumbent was seen to be strengthened, and they both still went on to lose at actual elections.
ReplyDeleteI'd disagree with you on both of those. Owen Smith wasn't "crushed", he took around 40% of the vote, but he was a very different sort of challenger, the centrists rallied round him as someone who they believed could actually become leader. Bill Wilson took 16% of the vote, which for someone so obscure wasn't particularly unhealthy. Swinney was gone within a year.
DeleteA leadership challenge might spur Yousaf into making serious moves, or at least serious statements, as regards to radical measures towards gaining independence which might, in turn, spur the britnat media to go full-on in their [anti] independence coverage thereby pushing the independence question as a whole onto the most indifferent of electorate minds and also forcing Yousaf to rebut and attack the britnat media and double-down on his moves/statements on independence.
ReplyDeleteYes on 52%!!!
ReplyDeleteLittle wonder the Tories want to block a referendum that even my grand daughter can see Yes would be guaranteed to win!!
Yup. Your granddaughter is a smart cookie.
Delete53%, surely?
DeleteMy grand daughter says hello.
DeleteYour granddaughter is right - the last poll putting Yes on 52% was just one month ago, ie. June 2023. Happy days!!!! (Please say hello back.)
DeleteMad dogger Dr Jim is now of the opinion that Yousaf is doing just fine. The reason for this change of heart is that he also is now of the opinion that the best ever leader in the whole of the history of humankind - Sturgeon - is Yousaf's puppet master. So it follows in Jimbo's thinking that Yousaf must be doing a great job. What a collection of weirdos on WGD.
ReplyDeleteWhat Dr Jim should note is that the only thing Sturgeon did for Scottish independence was create massive division in the yes movement and go to an English court and get them to declare it was unlawful for Scotland to have Indyref2.
DeleteDr Jim has a new fan on WGD called Gay Sandy. Now Gay Sandy is also a big fan of Yousaf as can be seen from this post:-
Delete" One hundred percent correct Dr Jim he does what is requested as the 1st Minister but his number one priority is Scottish independence and a direct vote that the legals say is ok."
Independence is his priority is it Sandy? So that would be why he visited LGBT Youth and blanked once again an independence march. You would almost think Sandy had met Yousaf at LGBT Youth and had his post written for him but that would be silly.
Sandy should really just change his moniker to Gay Gullible Sandy.
His number one priority says Sandy 😂😂.
Has Yousaf EVER been to an independence march? At least Sturgeon attended one just before the 2014 Referendum.
As the SNP fall in the polls Yousaf's puppet master has clearly told him to serve up a plentiful supply of carrots to the gullible as it worked year after year for her.
Top nicophant Dr Jim believes his beloved Nicola can see the future as well as being the best ever leader in the whole history of humankind.
DeleteJimbo says:- " Nicola Sturgeon warned and predicted all of these events in 2014 and Scotland didn't listen, now look where we are."
Now I have no idea what these events are that Jimbo is prattling on about as he doesn't specify them but I would bet that Sturgeon didn't forecast she would be arrested by the polis and interviewed for 7 hours in 2023.
A question for Jimbo - where is the £600k?
Forbes was relieved shes didn't get the Job the first time around. So give it to Ash Regan and we might get something different from the SNP other than capitulation acquiescence and treachery of a colonial administration.
ReplyDeleteThe quality of the BTL comments section is one reason why you *will* meet your funding target, James, just keep plugging away and you'll get there.
ReplyDeleteThe burgundy coloured carrots seem to be going down well with the WGD numpties. The man, Yousaf, who during all the election Hustings showed no interest in Scottish independence and consistently trashed Regan's plan of using elections as a de facto referendum now seems to have convinced the numpties he will deliver a de facto referendum.
ReplyDeleteWhat an about turn by the numpties - they used to trash me when I promoted using Holyrood 21 election as a de facto referendum but now Yousaf has convinced them he will do what they used to trash and the numpties are now delighted.
Thicko Hamish who always calls anyone who disagrees with the SNP a Unionist is now back to calling me a Unionist. I guess he is missing his old buddy yesindyref2.
It may have passed you by Hamish so I'll spell it out for you - I have been right about Sturgeon and the SNP. You and your fellow numpties have been wrong.
The reason we will not get independence is that the SNP members are full of slavish numpties like Hamish100 who would try and kick their own arse if the leadership told them this would deliver independence.
Sturgeon could have called a Holyrood de facto in 21 or 22 and Yousaf could call one this year to fulfill the promise made for Oct 23. She didn't and he won't. Two useless chancers making fools of a bunch of numpties.
WGD numpty Hamish100 says:- " Support the SNP or by action you support the Brit Nat parties. It is that simple."
ReplyDeleteNo Hamish it is you who are simple. You are saying the Scottish Greens, you know, the party your hero Sturgeon gave government power to is a BritNat party. Confused and simple - the WGD numpties.
Heartening to see a de facto referendum back on the agenda and being talked about so much. A long overdue outbreak of common sense.
ReplyDeleteHear hear. My grand daughter agrees.
DeleteI don't normally comment on the astroturf efforts that I leave unpublished, but I must just take a moment to point and laugh at the person trying to convince us that JENNY GILRUTH and SHONA ROBISON are more likely successors to Yousaf than Kate Forbes! That's ambitious, mate...
ReplyDeleteGilruth and Robison? LOL. Did he think John Mason is in with a shout too? ROFL.
DeleteI posted this on that other blog, it actually appeared no idea how long it will last though:
Delete"There are three major problems here, none of which further the cause of Independence, quite the opposite:
1). The increasing anti-England and anti-English comments below the line on Wee Ginger Dug
2). That only one person is actively trying to stop it
3). That as this blog doesn't welcome different views it's very unlikely anyone here will see my comment."