Every so often, Stormfront Lite makes a plucky attempt to Anglosplain Scottish politics to us, although just this once - and rather irritatingly - I'm finding it hard to disagree with the overall thrust of David Herdson's piece on Saturday (he's still wrong on a number of details). Basically he argues that divisions over the trans issue could unexpectedly cost the SNP its chances of an overall majority, and that the fault does not predominantly lie with the rank-and-file but instead with the leadership for giving too much weight to the views of a relatively small minority. I think that's right - when the zealots called for Joanna Cherry to be sacked, the response should have been to point out that both sides of the debate were represented on the frontbench, and that was exactly as it should be. The SNP was a broad church, it should have been said, and that was how it intended to stay, rather than letting itself become the hostage of one faction. Nicola Sturgeon's intervention on social media should have been an even-handed denunciation of both transphobia and any trampling on women's rights, and should have assured both sides of the debate, not just one side, that they were welcomed and valued within the SNP.
There's nothing wrong with wanting your own viewpoint to be represented at the top - but the problem with the zealots is that they're not satisfied with that, they also want the opposing view to be totally annihilated. Joanna Cherry's ill-judged sacking did not succeed in appeasing them - it just emboldened them to start preparing the ground for her suspension or expulsion, presumably using the synthetic tool of an absurdly broad definition of the word 'transphobia' which will shortly be written into the party's rulebook. When I suggested that one solution to the damage that had been done by the sackings was simply to reverse them, it was pointed out to me that although that would reassure a lot of people, it would also cause others to leave the party. But I do wonder if it might be no bad thing to lay down a marker - to say to people that they're welcome in the party, but that they're not welcome to spend every waking moment trying to drive other good people out.
However, plainly the leadership have no intention of reversing the sackings, so I'd suggest we need something in lieu of that. Mike Russell argued at the weekend that the danger of division was that it demotivated SNP activists who needed to be wholeheartedly behind the campaign for an SNP majority win in May - but actually the onus has to be on the leadership itself to help solve that problem. Asking passionate supporters of Joanna Cherry to campaign without reservation for the SNP in these circumstances is a bit like randomly punching a marathon runner in the stomach, and then lecturing him about how he owes it to you and to himself to carry on running for another ten miles. The problem is particularly acute given that the reshuffle looked like a way of effectively overturning or defying the NEC election results - there can be no clearer way of demonstrating to members that they have no stake in their own party than to treat their votes with contempt. They indicated that they wanted a change of direction and the leadership's response has been to continue in the original direction at even greater speed.
So we need evidence of the leadership listening, and quickly. If we can't have Joanna Cherry and people of like mind back on the front bench, probably the best available substitute will be some red meat on Plan B, and it will have to go quite a bit further than Mike Russell's 11-point plan. We need specifics and dates, and also a Plan C for a plebiscitary election in the event that a legal challenge by the UK Government succeeds. That, I think, would be the recipe for an enthused membership chapping on doors (or the figurative pandemic equivalent), regardless of any misgivings they have about recent events.
It also goes without saying that there can be no further big concessions to the zealots. Everyone has their breaking-point, and if MPs or even ordinary members start being suspended or expelled on the basis of bogus allegations of transphobia, people will quite rightly conclude that enough is enough.
So what is the logic - seems to me it is about suppressing the vote - enough to be in power but not enough to make a move for Indy - using the there are still people who need convincing number.
ReplyDeleteOh dear......this again? The SNP leadership are too cosy with their sinecures? If you're a unionist troll, then you need to try harder. If you're a yes voter, then you are either an idiot, or an attention seeker.
DeleteWhichever you are,we are getting too close to success to listen to your kind anymore.
Go away.....
I don't always agree with you, James, but you are completely right here.
ReplyDeleteSturgeon's caving in to the woke fringe is a sign of her weakness and another serious blow to her claims to being a feminist. Nothing she does will ever be good enough for that element, and caving in to their demands will fuel their narcissism.
Will the public like it? Probably not. And the fact that independence supporters are essentially painted into an electoral corner does not help.
This exemplifies the rot at the heart of Scottish politics. How will it affect the election in May? I can only speak for myself, but I cannot in any conscience vote for a party whose social policy agenda has become so utterly bizarre and authoritarian. I have nobody to vote for. How many nominally-SNP voters feel the same? I'd say a significant proportion. So are they to once again lend the SNP their vote in order for Sturgeon to not even march to the hill, never mind get halfway up? All the while, introducing Orwellian laws and destroying freedom of expression? Not for me, thanks. I held my nose and voted for them in the last three or four elections. I won't be doing it again unless they change course.
“ I held my nose and voted for them in the last three or four elections.”
DeleteYou must have a fine nose for future problems not yet evident in any way.
No sign of a change of course. I feel same way about voting with my nose held but there comes a point where that’s not possible on principle. I’ve found myself looking at wings again searching for some searing analysis but all you get is bitterness.
DeleteI can’t do the trade off between anti democratic stitch up/witch hunt and some sort of Plan B that James is asking for. One is a policy while the other is about truth, justice and integrity. The idea of voting for corruption and intrigue In “wheest for Indy” has its limits.
Excellent article James. Obviously, I agree completely.
ReplyDeleteOh ffs, Plan A has to be thwarted by Bozo before we can move to Plan B, or do you think we should show our cards now?
ReplyDeleteOn what planet has it not already been "thwarted by Bozo?"
DeleteWe first asked for a Section 30 almost four years ago - I mean, patience is a virtue and all that, but this could get a bit silly...
"Show our cards now " The cards are all jokers!!!! and the 11 point plan is a load of baloney.
DeletePlan A is to go ahead with a referendum with or without an S30. The legislation in Scotland would be identical whether there is one or not. The Scottish courts have just declined to rule that as illegal.*
DeleteSo Plan A is good to go. No need for a Plan B. That would only be needed if for some magic reason the Scots courts ruled at Holyrood couldn't consult Scots on any matter according to the referendums act 2020.
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*The task of courts is to decide whether on whether something is unlawful. They do not decide what is legal because everything is legal unless specifically outlawed.
20 polls in favour of Indy, some almost at 60%, but this is not good enough for SGP, we've got an election to win, before anything else, lets not get sidetracked, wi Plans B an the like.
DeleteA good Indy majority and we can go down the S30 route, if Bozo decides to ignore the mandate, then and only then can we look for another route.
It seems to me that the leadership are listening very, very carefully. If they were not, they'd be like Scottish Labour or the Lib dems.
ReplyDeleteNow that probably means they are not going do be doing what everyone wants, but then hey, that's not possible. SNP are not a party, but a movement. The unity is quite exceptional. It's really something.
If the SNP don't represent most Scots, they won't be in power. It's a PR system after all. If they start representing small groups alone, they'll be out of power and someone else will be leading Scotland to indy.
Evidence is they are pretty in-tune to members and the electorate, which is what's key to a movement.
I'm a total 'woke anti-trans transfan transphobe' apparently, yet I don't think for an instant Sturgeon is threatening to have trans pedos attack my teenage daughter as per English blog predictions. FFS.
Enough of the English warm beer garden daily mail shit is my general message.
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - says " SNP are not a party but a movement. "
DeleteWRONG - SNP are a political party. The YES movement are a movement hence why it is called a movement.
That is not where the harm to your daughter will necessarily come from but an increased risk of such things is obviously not a problem for you.
ReplyDeleteMay I ask who gave you the right to decide things for my daughter without even asking her opinion?
DeleteIt's people doing that who present the biggest immediate threat to her.
The harm to Smearers daughter is likely to come from having a lying charlatan like Smeaer for a father. What a role model - not.
DeleteFirst of all: it's not the Gender Recognition Act that is in question - it's some amendments to the GRA to align it with the Human Rights Act. Can't say I'm interested - the only trans people I've met were definitely originally declared female, and I couldn't care less if they use a stall in a men's bog.
ReplyDeleteThe SNP: There doesn't seem to be many people who come up with their policies (corporate lobbyists - some of them actually paid by the government! How's that allowed? And PR), and SNP party actions (Nicola and Peter). Those responsible have lost the plot. The only question is how far they have lost it.
It looks nothing like a mass-participation political party.
There is no concrete 'pan b' and the PR riposte goes all way to 11. It's comical, and it's sad. Over the last seven years, that's where we are at. Arguing about how to have a referendum about something.
I get a strong feeling that the first thing an independent Scottish government would do was repeal the freedom of information act.
Polling starting to get to you huh?
DeleteIt looks nothing like a mass-participation political party.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like a shampoo advert.
And I get the feeling the kind of people who come up with shampoo adverts are running the Scottish government.
ReplyDeleteRant over.
You ok hun?
DeleteCertainly head and shoulders above the opposition parties
DeleteWell done Anne Harvey. It is good to see there are still honest people who are not afraid to tell the truth.
ReplyDeleteHow long before Sturgeons storm troopers go for her.
Unionists you mean. BNP, National Front...UDA.. folk that bomb Glasgow and threaten EU port staff.
DeleteFunny how you turn a blind eye to them.
Smearer Skier - you just love a good smear Skier. A bit like Ruddick.
DeleteTell me Skier do you tell your daughter not to lie. Do you tell your daughter to always tell the truth. If you do you are a hypocrite.
Twitter and other online platforms greatly overestimate people actually being 'gender critical', liking Joanna Cherry or reading tomes about any of this. They are happy with the leadership and livid at self serving aggrandisment and constant threats of litigation against those who stand up in support of the leadership.
ReplyDeleteOn the contrary, Twitter and other platforms greatly overestimate people who are so obsessed with this issue that they want talented frontbenchers like Joanna Cherry sacked or expelled. Most members want unity, not McCarthyism.
DeleteUnity can come from not threatening litigation against your parties LGBT group and not donating to a fund to sue one of your own parliamentary colleagues.
DeleteUnity can also come from not making false claims about colleagues in the first place.
DeleteAndypoliticsscot - truly unbelievable stuff. What about designing a whole process specifically to smear Salmond and then when that fails leak the details to the Daily Redcoat and then try and fit him up in a criminal trial. Did that escape your mind Andy!
DeleteJames Kelly: On the contrary, Twitter and other platforms greatly overestimate people who are so obsessed with this issue that they want talented frontbenchers like Joanna Cherry sacked or expelled. Most members want unity, not McCarthyism.
DeleteI like Joanna Cherry, but to be honest she personally and the circle around her are just as much obsessed with the whole trans-thing as the other side.
I've come to the point where I wish that she and the 'other side' would just FO.
That was a very good post James. I also recommend today's offering from Barrhead Boy, 'Awkward Questions'.
ReplyDeleteThe leadership of the party has lost its way, pandering to a tiny minority and totally endangering our hopes for the future. I really think it's time for all bloggers to get together and put your differences aside, because these differences between are really minor in comparison to the growing cleft dividing the ordinary members and the leadership of the SNP.
I want what the SNP leadership do not want -.a massive majority for the SNP.
ReplyDeleteOnly voting snp on the key PR list and constituency can ensure that.
DeleteIf even IfS, who believes the SNP is deeply criminally corrupt, is a "both votes SNP" guy, it's not looking good for the newbie parties.
DeleteKeaton - correction - the current leadership not the SNP.
DeleteCorrection - I have never said I was a "both votes SNP" guy. I never voted SNP in 2016 on the regional list. I am for independence and I vote that. Too many people are just the party and nothing but the party.
I want a massive majority for the SNP and independence because it will force the SNP to do something or the current leadership will be forced out. Either way it progresses independence.
If you want to ruin the SNP leadership's scheme and give them an overall majority, there's objectively no better way of doing it than voting for them in both the constituency and the list. Giving either vote to anyone else indisputably increases the probability that the SNP will fall short. Why play Sturgeon's game?
DeleteKeaton - nonsense a vote for the SNP in the west of Scotland regional list will be a wasted vote in 2021 just as it was in 2016.
DeleteSet England free, vote 1 and 2 S.N.P. Do not try and rig the system.
DeleteA 2nd vote for the S.N.P. is not WASTED. It removes a vote from another party. A % of the vote has to be obtained before a party can have a member elected.
DeleteWilliam - you seem a real party man. Party above everything is it?
Delete"Do not try and rig the system" - more nonsense. I vote for who I want to and that is based on what I calculate is best for Scottish independence. If people like me followed what people like you said in 2016 there would be no independence majority in Holyrood for the last 5 years.
The dumbest party instruction is vote SNP twice without thinking.
Keaton - nonsense a vote for the SNP in the west of Scotland regional list will be a wasted vote in 2021 just as it was in 2016.
DeleteOkay, who should you vote for on the list in order to achieve an SNP majority?
Keaton - I will try again but m o r e s l o w l y j u s t f o r y o u.
DeleteThere is no national list only regional lists. In my region it will not make any difference if I vote SNP. In other regions it may well elect an SNP MSP, like in South of Scotland, but of course I do not vote in South of Scotland I vote in West of Scotland.
People who make out "the list" is a national list are ignorant or misleading. If it was a NATIONAL list then there could well be a case for me voting SNP on a NATIONAL list but it isnt a NATIONAL list. So me voting SNP in my region will not elect any more SNP MSPs.
In summary, if the polls are correct the SNP will get an overall majority of MSPs on the consituency vote alone and I will vote SNP constituency even if it is some headbanger picked by Surgeon who is standing in my consituency.
check out this wiki page and see if it's worth voting SNP 1 and 2.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Scottish_Parliament_election
Why was my comment removed?
ReplyDeleteBecause, as I've explained umpteen times, it is not appropriate to use the comments section of this blog to lecture me on what subjects I should or should not blog about, or what opinions I am or am not allowed to hold. If you want to decide the content of a blog, start your own.
DeleteIncidentally, your "why was my comment removed?" would normally be removed also. It can generally be taken as read that a comment was removed because it breached the moderation policy - either that or it wasn't removed at all, and has fallen foul of the spam trap or another technical glitch.
James, if I may call you that, I do apologise if I have offended you, I meant no disrespect, on the contrary I do read all you write here. My only reason could be my age and distance from Glasgow. Valde mihi paenitet. Sorry don't know how to change to Italics.
DeleteI don't understand. Plan A is to proceed with a referendum using the May 2021 mandate with our without an S30. This referendum will be held according to the Referendums Act 2020 which allows for Holyrood to consult the electorate on any matter it chooses via referendums. It's the law of the land.
ReplyDeleteThe only way that can be stopped is the UK government trying to do so in the Scots courts. They just failed at their first attempt.
The UK gov (in the form of the Advocate General) allied with the Scotgov ( in the form of the Lord Advocate James Wolfe who sits in the Scottish Cabinet) to argue against the independence supporter Martin Keatings.
DeleteSo why does Smearer Skier ( liar since 2014) omit to say it was the Scotgov and the UK gov who did not want a decision and argued against all the independence supporters who crowfunded smarting Keatings case. Why did Smearer Skier not call Wolfe a Unionist for siding with the UK gov?
Huh? Did the court say a referendum was illegal? I don't believe that was the conclusion.
DeleteYou can't get a judgement form a court that something is legal, only that a specific something is illegal. They don't decide on legality, only on illegality. And so iref2 was not found to be illegal.
Smearer Skier - (liar since 2014) - nowhere in that post did I say the court found a referendum was illegal. I didn't say that because I tell the truth. Unlike you Smearer Skier.
DeleteYour post is just deflection from the point I made namely that Wolfe ( Scotgov cabinet member and appointed by Sturgeon) sided with the UK gov against independence supporters.
It's not possible to take an opposite side to indy supporters unless you argue a referendum was illegal, which wolfe didn't do.
DeleteI honestly don't know why the case was taken to court as it could never rule a referendum legal. That is not the job of courts.
They can only rule if something very specifically defined is illegal in part or in whole. I lost count of the times I've said this on here and I'm just a chemist.
So they concluded no, that a referendum isn't illegal. It can go ahead for now unless someone comes up with a claim that it is illegal in some specific way, which they'll look at if that happens. They don't rule on hypothetical scenarios. Even if they found something wrong in the future with specific legislation, that might simply result in some modifications to Holyrood bill.
To try and stop iref2 in the courts is not likely to succeed. Delay maybe, but stop, no.
And if it is stopped, then we become Myanmar, and all that entails. The UK government will need to overrule the result of an democratic election, handing the win (in effect) to unionists and be prepared to use violence to enforce that. You have no choice if you want to overrule democracy as the people will take to the streets.
Dictators always think they can just make stuff illegal and the problem goes away. Then they find that doesn't work at all, and jackboots are required every time. If you overrule one election, you have to overrule them all as you can be bloody sure overruling one will just really piss of the electorate so you will lose the next one even more badly.
So much for 'brand Britain' if that happens.
Smearer Skier (liar since2014) - a long post which does not deny the truth that Wolfe sided with the UK government in arguing against the case brought by independence supporters. But you fail to call him a Unionist because he is in Sturgeons cabinet and following her instructions. Sturgeon wants to keep the matter of legality undecided so it can be used as a stalling tactic in the future.
DeleteHe argued the law; that a referendum is not illegal.
DeleteHe'd hardly argue the contrary ffs.
DeleteHe argued on the side of the UK Advocate General against independence supporters.
DeleteYou argue against indy supports all the time. It's all you ever do on here.
DeleteHe didn't argue against the legality of a referendum.
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - it has escaped your notice SGP is NOT a court of law. Also I do not stand in a court of law on the same side as the Advocate General the UKs lawman in Scotland.
DeleteWolfe spent public funds arguing against a decision being made that a referendum is legal.
I argue for Scottish independence and against liars and charlatans.
We will see what happens in the next few polls but I very much doubt the Cherry sacking and the fallout from that will have any real effect on the SNP polling. Boris had a much larger purge pre 2019 election and still managed to win with a huge majority. The SNP are using the same tactics to make sure they get a majority what ever they do. For The Conservatives is was vote for us or you won't get Brexit; for the SNP its vote for us or you won't get Indyref. Both the Conservatives & SNP also were/are helped by ineffective oppositions. So I very much doubt that the SNP leadership will feel any need to throw any form of red meet - why should they parties only do that when they are struggling to get votes, not when they are miles ahead.
ReplyDeleteAs for Salmond, I'm still not convinced that he has any intention of setting up a party, but its getting clear that the SNP are worried the he might (or that he is going to pull the pin on a hand Grenade that is going to do them serious damage).
Senior SNP staffers don't highlight acts of physical aggression dating back 13 years (in which the police found no evidence of wrongdoing) unless you want to discredit someone and you don't try to discredit someone if you don't think they are a threat.
"why should they parties only do that when they are struggling to get votes, not when they are miles ahead"
DeleteBecause the lesson of both 2016 and 2017 is that this sort of lead is incredibly fragile when the pro-indy vote is demotivated. That doesn't necessarily mean the leadership will learn that lesson, of course, but we'll all pay the price if they don't.
Adam, they may think he is a threat to their personal liberty and standing rather than a threat to the SNP.
DeleteSo Ruddick Chief Operating Officer SNP issues a statement on the day her boss goes in front of the Committee NOT explaining whether she actioned Murrells messages to get folks to pressurise the police but to try and smear Salmond with more made up nonsense. Not to tell us who these folks were that Murrell wanted her to pressurise.
Anne Harvey has issued a statement saying Ruddick is telling porkies.
Ruddick, like Murrell, is not member of the Scottish government so it is impossible for her to be in any way responsible for the botched investigation. Same for murrell.
DeleteThe buck ultimately lies with leslie evans; hence Salmond calling for her to resign.
What do Ruddick and Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) both have in common?
DeleteAnswer: they both love smearing and lying.
Why? Ruddick - well that is easy - to cover up her wrong doing in conjunction with others. Smearer Skier - well that is trickier. Why does Smearer Skier defend them so vigorously? What is his motivation?
I'm not defending anyone. I just said only people in the UK civil service in Scotland can be held responsible for the botched investigation carried out by said civil service under Leslie Evans. This is what salmond said after the civil case.
DeleteI'm happy with what the police judged re ruddick and salmond. Unlike you, I don't judge from my armchair when I have not been witness to events
DeleteSmearer Skier (liar since 2014 )says - " this is what Salmond said after the civil case" - yes and that was in Jan 2019 and this is now Jan 2021. He thinks differently now 2 years on.
DeleteSmearer says - "I'm not defending anyone. " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He thinks differently now 2 years on.
DeleteSo you are speaking for him now? You are able to tell us all what he thinks? Have you even ever actually met the man?
I'm looking forward to hearing his story at the committee. I'm not going to try and speak for him like you do.
Smeaer Skier (liar since 2014) - try reading Salmonds submissions to the Inquiry. He is speaking for himself. You don't need to wait for him to attend you can read his submissions.
DeleteAs before I have never said I speak for Salmond.
You on the other hand said previously you will wait till you hear from Salmond. Well it is all there in the Inquiry website and in the Spectator. His "story" as you call it has been there for you to read. What's the problem - oh that's right Campbell did say once that you really really cannot read well. I guess that fits in with bashing rocks for a living.
When I read stuff like this, about the "divisions" in the SNP, my first thought isn't "How will this affect the morale of "rank and file" SNP members". None of us (nor the SNP leadership) should have to worry about the loyalty of rank and file members. That should be a bloody given!!
ReplyDeleteNo, my first thoughts are always "How will this affect Jean or Mark?" - the undecided no voters I've been speaking to. If the answer is "Hardly at all", or "none at all", then I put it out of my mind, because it doesn't MATTER!!
The only thing that matters, is if we see the polls dropping back, and that's only going to happen if the MSM can make a "thing" out of "SNP division".
Let's not follow Stu Campbell down HIS dark alley, folks.....
I haven't noticed any real division. It's just unionists saying there is a civil war on. Stu Campbell isn't SNP. He's a unionist party voter that didn't oppose brexit.
DeleteAlex - it is INTEGRITY versus CRIMINALITY
DeleteThere is no dark alley as the truth will always provide the light.
On the other hand you can go down the deep dark hole of lies, deceit and cover ups where you will find no light just people like Smearer Skier.
No division!! Where have you been hiding?
DeleteI'll give you 3 reasons why around 40k to 50k members have left in the last 2 years.
1. Failure to push Indepence / Plab B etc
2. The organised vindictive attack on Alex Salmond.
3. The absolute control of the Party surrendered to the Transcult.
Julia - you better watch out Smearer will soon be smearing you as a Unionist.
DeleteJust how many people who Smearer disagrees with has he smeared as a Unionist on SGP.
Do you have the reliable membership figures? I mean I see a huge error band in your figure, which suggest you are making some sort of guesstimate?
Delete'Transcult' sounds like Qanon stuff. The sort of thing a right wing englishman who self-ids as scots would say.
Murrell and Ruddick are obviously too busy covering up their misdeeds to count the membership.
DeleteSo that's a no then. OK.
DeleteI get the impression stu would like to put on some high heels and a dress and hates himself for it. He's just protesting way too much.
DeleteSmearer Skier (liar since 2014) - is now smearing a stu who is not even involved in the posts above. Smearer has lost the plot. Or has his multiple identities problem come back again. Or is he calling Julia stu? Or is Smearer just a confused person?
DeleteSmearer certainly likes to smear and lie.
Erm, the posts are all replying to alex birnie who talks about stu 'willies in the ladies on the brain' campbell.
DeleteJulia Gibb, you seem to have missed my point entirely. I really don't care about snowflake members of the SNP, whose loyalty is subject to the SNP "behaving themselves".
DeleteAs I said, the only people whose opinion matters to me are Mark and Jean, two former no voters, who are inching towards voting yes. They seem to be oblivious to the SNP's "poor tactics" (your opinion, not mine), and haven't mentioned the "apparent" rift between Salmond (my all time political hero) and Sturgeon. The "Stalinesque" leadership style at the top of the SNP seems to be passing them by as well.
For that reason, I don't CARE that Sturgeon is insisting on trying again for a section 30. I don't CARE about anything that the SNP are doing, EXCEPT the fact that the polls seem to be indicating that whatever the SNP are doing, it's WORKING with the wider electorate.
Perhaps the fact that I have no intention of voting SNP after independence makes me less invested in the importance of INTEGRITY v CRIMINALITY than IFS is.
All I care about is getting me and my family out from under Tory rule. I'm going to hold my nose and vote SNP/SNP at the next election, and encourage everyone I converse with to do the same.
Constitutional conventions should be held AFTER independence is in our grasp, not in the middle of a bloody knife fight, which some purists seem to have forgotten about, or are unaware of just how vicious our REAL opponents are.
Alex Birnie it is your right to just ignore wrong doing if you want by a government but you are delusional if you think that somehow a lead in the polls will miraculously be turned into independence by the current leadership. I remember Sturgeons surrender speech in Jan 2020.
DeleteThe current leadership are totally compromised by their actions. The Britnats know what they have been doing and will use it to prevent independence as long as the current leadership are in power.
IFS, it is your right to believe anything you want. "A lead in the polls" is essential before we can get independence, so getting independence as a result of " a lead in the polls" turning out to be accurate isn't "miraculous". It's consequential. What kind of universe do you live in where you think that independence following a lead in the polls is miraculous?
DeleteThe current leadership may or may not be " totally compromised" (nothing has been oroven - yet. Let's just wait for the verdict - just as we waited for the Salmond verdict. But, even if it turns out that they are totally compromised, are you SURE that it will cause a failure in May? A failure in May will set back Indy for years. Success in May MIGHT be the signal that Scotland will be free in a matter of a couple of years. Sheesh! And I thought that I was the arch pessimist!!
I don't understand. Why would you demand documents be put into the public domain if it's not the public / unionist media making the judgement in a case, and certainly shouldn't be? Not only that, but you are not even being judged yourself?
ReplyDeleteIf the committee (aka the 'jury') get to read documents accompanying your testimony, that's all that's needed. You can attend and say your piece freely with honor.
There is no need for stuff to be published unless your aim is not dignified justice, but courting public opinion for your own personal ends. Or at least it looks very like that.
And well, if you e.g. did a press conference for the unionist media, I suspect you'd get a lot of public opinions for that, and probably not good ones.
Anyone leaking / handing meat to the unionist media will never make it in frontline politics these days.
All the plotters/alphabet women/ Rape Crisis Scotland ( funded by the Scotgov) have been working with the British media. They helped out Dani Garavelli, they helped out Kirsty Wark and her disgraceful programme. They seem to have a direct line to the Daily Redcoat.
DeleteSo based on Smearers post above they should not " make it in frontline politics these days." But there they are spending public funds and spending contributions meant for Scottish independence on themselves and lawyers to try and cover up their misdeeds.
You read this in the daily telegraph right? Or was it the mail?
DeleteSmearer Skier (liar since 2014) - you are the one always quoting Britnat media as a trusted source not me.
DeleteNo i don't. I quote mainly Irish and international news. That or the national.
DeleteYou never provide any source for anything by contrast.
And remember, I'm Irish. Born and bred irish on my mum's side.
DeleteFar less unionist than you I imagine.
It's rich you telling Irish people we don't support indy. While you armchair moan, we fought for freedom. We didn't keep key evidence on the future of our nation under wraps, persecuting our heros.
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - you post a right load of pish.
DeleteWhen we got a big influx of previous Labour Party members I said I hope they leave all the cliques at the door and don't bring their back stabbers and divisive methods but looks like too many wormed their way to places of prominence and sure enough we got their troubles they brought with them. I'd rather they went elsewhere and left us to be the way we were.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't previous Labour Party members. This cult organised the infiltration of Labour, the Greens and the SNP. The have one objective and it is not Independence for Scotland.
DeleteNichols Sturgeon says - I will make all information/documents available to the Inquiry. Full transparency she says. NO SHE DIDNT!
ReplyDeleteNicola Sturgeon says yesterday - I am willing to answer all and any questions put to that Committee.
What she didn't say is NOW THAT I HAVE MADE SURE THAT ALL THE INFORMATION /DOCUMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE!
Am I right in understanding that you believe people who won't attend the committee are guilty / hiding something?
DeleteYou used words to that effect about murrell. That he was 'scared' right?
And I think you have caps lock on.
Smearer Dkier (liar since 2014) - wrong understanding and wrong about caps on lock.
DeleteMurrell was scared - he was forced to attend under threat of prosecution and what a performance he gave - he wouldn't get away with that in a court of law as he may find out. He won't have Fabiani protecting him in a court of law.
Thats obviously a lie about Morrell being forced; he is attending voluntarily under threats of jail from unionists.
DeleteThat aside, do think people who consult with lawyers and say they might not attend are scared and being forced to come?
Too late! Nicola made her "unrehearsed speech" and declared war on the members who seek balance between a minority groups demands and current legislation on Women's Rights. She did not seek to unite the Party she made a clear declaration that the trans issue will be driven through and any opposition will be crushed. However what was worse, much worse, was the green light she gave to the aggressive, abusive cult. Nothing will satisfy them now. The manipulation of the list vote to remove supporters of Women's Rights and replace them with Trans supporting activists was the final step for me. I left the Party the day after that vote.
ReplyDeleteJulia do you think Sturgeon wants to change the party name to STP - Scottish Trans Party - she did say once that she didn't like the middle word in the name.
DeleteYour obsession with trans people is kinda weird. I'm assuming deep down its sexual, as seems to be the case with wings.
DeleteSmearer Kier (liar since 2014 ) - you are starting to sound like that pair of disgusting pychos GWC and Juteman.
DeleteIt's not me that posts a lot about trans folks. Wings is particularly obsessed with 'female willies'.
DeleteIncidentally, since most Scots back the SNP, are most Scots trans cultists? What about Joanna Cherry and Joan McAlpine? Are they secret trans cultists woke fans or whatever it is?
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - you are obsessed with Campbell.
DeleteAs ever Smearer - you misrepresent - I never said anything about Trans cultists. I asked Julia a question about the party name.
Wealthy posh Edinburgh lawyer type loses job Westminster. She even said herself Westminster is irrelephant. Scottish public reaction. Do you know what time the football is on.
ReplyDeleteI remember when Robert the Bruce led Scotland to indy.
ReplyDeleteHe did this by mounting a campaign against 'woke trans cultists' funded from the south of England.
I'm glad I'm not standing to shoulder to shoulder with the likes of 'Rule Britannia / no surrender' Murdo Fraser and Margaret Mitchell here.
ReplyDeleteCross party Yes support for not turning a parliamentary enquiry into a unionist press free for all.
The committee of course gets to read his submission in full - and question Salmond on it if he chooses to attend - and that is all that matters as it is them tasked with the investigation, not the unionist press and associated armchair experts.
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,msps-split-over-alex-salmond-submission-publication
MSPs vote against publishing Alex Salmond submission
Jackie Baillie, Alex Cole-Hamilton, Murdo Fraser and Margaret Mitchell were outvoted by Alasdair Allan, Tom Arthur, Linda Fabiani, Maureen Watt and Andy Wightman.
So who was standing with the unionists here? Anyone?
I actually stand for free media, were the media can report on and publish information about the countries Goverment, government enquires etc. Of course some information can't be for legal reasons etc but this can be redacted.
DeleteYou seem to be standing up for censorship of information, ie you only hear what the Government wants you to hear - standing shoulder to shoulder to the Chinese and North Koreans on this matter...
Erm, nice personal attack on me and the MSPs in the committee, including Andy Wightman.
DeleteIt is normal in a free democracy for court cases or parliamentary enquiries to only release information that is relevant and not confidential, such as material relating to court cases and or separate enquiries.
I respect the democratic decision of the cross party committee here and don't want to overthrow the parliament like some Trumpist.
If the committee was all SNP I'd very concerned, but it's cross party and the SNP don't control it; they are a minority on it.
Really comparing a minority government of a PR parliament with North Korea. You normally debate with some sense and fair points. You sounded like some raving right wing brexiter there.
DeleteI have consistently said I wanted to hear / see Salmond's submission. However, I respect Scottish democracy and understand that I can't get everything I want. These matters are serious and not tabloid fodder.
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - Salmond has two submissions published in the Inquiry website and a large list of papers sent to Evans by his solicitors re the Judicial Review and the unlawful process.
DeleteIt is his submission on the Ministerial code where he says why, where and when Sturgeon broke the code that the Committee are not publishing hiding behind some unspecified legal problem that has not stopped the Spectator of Wings publishing it.
Not a peep from you about their damning contents. You are a charlatan.
Sorry, I missed an 's' and I wanted to hear him speak.
DeleteHow did you know that two English right wing sites have already published the document in question? Are you a reader?
Do you really get your info from English media sites, especially those that don't publish accounts?
Pretty easy to guess which blogs I'd be pumping cash into If I were Johnson.
Every time I posted on Wings in the past asking where his accounts were published I got blocked.
Smeaer Skier (liar since 2014) - I don't give a toss about Wings accounts. I don't vote for Wings and I don't give him money and I don't expect him to give me the right to vote for independence. So why are you so obsessed with Campbell and his accounts?
DeleteI can tell all readers on this site one thing - you won't get the truth from the proven liar Smearer Skier but you will get smeared if you don't agree with him.
They are serious hence the need for complete transparency. You can't pick and choose what the public get to see (unless for legal national security reasons) in which case redactions for the first and if necessary a court ruling for the second.
ReplyDeleteOnly raving right wing Brexiters try hiding things from the public, hence sitting on the Russian interference report till the election was well out of the way incase what was in it hurt him/his parties performance at the election. Once can only assume that the SNP/Independent members of the commision have the same fears that what Alex has said in submission could effect their /their parties performance in the upcoming election
Yes, people on the committee don't pick and choose. They discuss it, consult with lawyers/authorities, then have a democratic vote if need. No single party can outvote the others, such is the nature of PR democracy.
DeleteIt's like in court where a judge rules on what is admissible / inadmissible... what must be kept confident / would be in contempt of court, except all parties have a say.
I assume you're not familiar with data protection? Sometimes we can't get to see something just because we want to.
Since I am not charged with investigating the botched Salmond thing, I appreciate that I may not be able to see all the material. Murdo fraser etc all do get to see it. The only reason they can want it released to the media trump-style, overruling democracy, is for party political reasons.
Alex Salmond is free to speak at the committee and refer to the document concerned, so he has no reason not to attend. It's just the Daily Mail won't get to see everything.
can only assume that the SNP/Independent members of the commision have the same fears that what Alex has said in submission could effect their /their parties performance in the upcoming election
DeleteYou think Andy Whightman is in on the trans cult conspiracy against Salmond?
Oh this is glorious. Did Whightman not leave the greens over their self-id stance?
A trans cult double agent maybe?
#leastbelievableconspiracytheoryever
Easiest way to stop conspiracy theories, of course, is just to give the public all the information. That way you can show that there is nothing sinister going on and that is all in the mind of unionists /bloggers from England.
DeleteOut of interest do any of the members of the enquiry have any legal qualifications? I understand that the reason they have given for blocking the free press right to report on the Government is because it could cause legal problems, for them to do this they must have some sort of qualifications to make this decision, if not it should be up to a judge to decide if the submission should not be in the public domaine. Even right wing Brexiter Tories have to get a judge to agree if they don't want information getting to the press
At this move by Whightman seems to have infuriated the 'salmond supporting' 'anti-trans-cultists', which previously cheered the an on for his stance on self-id, we can only assume he is someone of great principle, and so made the submission decision fairly and in the interests of the nation.
DeleteCertainly, I can't see how it would help him electorally. Unless he plans to seek out the principle and fair voters.
You can only assume, with no evidence of his reasoning behind his vote people are entitled to assume what they want.
DeleteAll we do know is that he and four other MSPs decided (without giving any reasoning) that the public should not see the submission, exactly the same as when Boris decided that the public should see the Russian interference report and gave no reason for suppressing it.
The reason understood is that it is not relevant to the enquiry? Which is a perfectly acceptable reason. And if Salmond is not going to appear, it won't be referred to (as he wanted to refer to it), so what does it have to do with proceedings? It's part of a separate investigation. If he did decide to come and referred to it, it would make much more sense to publish it. As things stand though, it looks like he's not. It's not normal to publish documents which nobody has used during testimony in any sort of case.
DeleteI thought it was in the public domain anyway. It was leaked to right-wing English sites who published it.
My understanding was Salmond made too many demands and these just couldn't be satisfied.
I read he asked for immunity from prosecution apparently. That is not within the power of parliament. It's why murrell was scared by threats of him being jailed from unionists but he came all the same.
If his written submission is not relevant to the enquiry how comes they are going to use it as part of their decision making process? If its not relevant then it should pay no part in their process.
DeleteCan you provide a link please, I can't see to find it. The only thing I can find is this :
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-text-alex-salmond-s-submission-to-the-hamilton-inquiry
Which is his submission to the Hamilton Inquiry.
Are you saying the Police Scotland and the Scottish judiciary are corrupt and have been infiltrated by unionists? They are the only people that could make the decisions that could result in Murrell being jailed.
Ok, I stand partly corrected. It was submitted by Salmond ahead of his appearance so available to the committee, but if he's not going to appear and refer to it, it completely loses relevance.
DeleteHowever, I understand the main reason if can't be published even if Salmond attends is because it was already leaked to the press, it cannot be properly published with redactions as needed. The leak to the press made it unpublishable legally.
I quote the Scottish parliament, as widely reported, including by Andy Whightman:
"“The committee would have been able to publish Mr Salmond’s submission, in line with the committee’s statement, as it has his other submissions to the committee.
"However, publication of the full submission in a manner that is readily accessible has made it impossible for the committee to make the redactions needed to meet its legal obligations.
"This is clearly regrettable and something outwith the committee’s control, but the committee will not breach its data protection obligations or the court orders. This reasoning has been made clear to Mr Salmond on numerous occasions.”
On this matter, I like Whightman:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/andywightman/status/1359142136365649924
@andywightman
Furthermore I condemn the ongoing leaks from the SGHHC Committee of legally privileged information, the apparent regular breaches of the Code of Conduct of MSPs and the failure to observe the duty of confidentiality.
I think we can guess who's doing the leaking to attack sturgeon. It won't be Yes party MSPs on the committee, that's for sure.
IFS has assured us of that for example.
Phase 4 - Scottish Ministerial Code
DeleteThe Inquiry is also looking at the Ministerial code therefore Salmond sent his submission on the subject of the Ministerial code to the Inquiry and to the seperate review by James Hamilton who is looking at Sturgeons self referral to see if she broke the code.
It really isn't complicated. The Inquiry Committee have not published Salmonds Ministerial submission but they have published two other Salmond submissions. One on the Judicial Review and another on documentation. They have been available to read for some time now.
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) is just running interference. A bad faith actor.
The Inquiry that stopped inquiring.
ReplyDeleteWhy was that?
Answer : Nicola said you are getting to near the truth - stop it now. Ok says Andy and his new pals in the SNP on the Committee.
Bang crash wallop. What's that sound?
Answer: the integrity of the Scottish parliament crashing to the floor.
Bang crash wallop. What's that sound.
Answer: the last of the SNPs integrity crashing to the ground.
Is whightman a secret trans cult double agent?
Deletehttps://www.holyrood.com/news/view,andy-wightman-resigns-from-scottish-greens
Andy Wightman resigns from Scottish Greens
Andy Wightman, Green MSP for Lothian, has written a letter to the co-leaders of the party, Patrick Harvie MSP and Lorna Slater, submitting his resignation.
In it, he criticises a lack of “open and mature dialogue” on questions around sex and gender and accuses party spokespeople of being “provocative, alienating and confrontational” on the subject.
He was your hero the other week for his questioning of Murrell.
Jeez, at least be consistent with your story.
#leastbelievableconspiracytheoryever
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!"
There is a top American golfer called Patrick Reed who has won the famous US Masters and 9 USA PGA Tour tournaments. He has also played in the Ryder cup. However, he has a cloud hanging over him - he cheats and he has cheated since his college day. The big discussion is over how thick skinned he is - it just does not bother him that everyone talks about him as a cheat.
DeleteYou Smearer Skier ( liar since 2014) remind me of Reed. It just doesn't bother you lying all the time does it.
Scottish Skier: just on a point of pedantry, his name is Wightman, not Whightman.
DeleteAlex Salmond declared himself a legend in his own lifetime.
ReplyDeleteScotland version of Muhammad Ali. Only one of them could back it up. Trapped us in the gold standard.
Some of the views expressed about trans people. We will look back in later years and be shouting doon with the bigoted people's statues
ReplyDeleteScottish posh rugby players. Don't understand racism. Am I the only person who wasn't surprised by that.
ReplyDeleteFor heaven's sake, nobody told them there was going to be taking the knee. They're essentially being criticised for not being mind-readers.
DeleteSome of the people who comment on here make me think. What's the difference between a Scottish right wing loon ball and an English right wing loon ball
ReplyDeleteAccent?
Not a lot really, apart from habitual residence, ergo voting rights.
DeleteScottish right wing loon balls have the right to vote in Scotland, English loon balls England.
Worth a read. I like this guy. Pity he's not on the borders list.
ReplyDeletehttps://andywightman.scot/statement-on-the-publication-of-evidence-to-the-sghhc-committee
Below is a statement from the Scottish Parliament in response to the votes this morning in the Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints on the publication of written evidence from Alex Salmond on the Ministerial Code.
I agree with this statement.
Lost count of the documents/information hiding behind legal issues. It is plain that some people raised their spurious complaints against Salmond at the criminal trial so they could hide behind the anonymity protection that would help keep hidden their actions/ responsibility during the Scotgov persecution of Salmond and the Judicial Review.
ReplyDeleteHowever, Salmonds submission on the Ministerial code is not being published or referred to by the Inquiry because Salmond specifically states where Sturgeon broke the code and the craven Committee members who voted for it to be made to disappear don't want anyone asking Sturgeon about it when she appears before the Inquiry.
This is your modern SNP under Sturgeon and Murrell. Same as Westminster.
The Inquiry that stopped inquiring.
ReplyDeleteThe remit includes looking at the actions of special advisors. Not one special advisor has come before the Inquiry for questioning and only Liz Lloyd Sturgeons Chief of Staff was asked for a written submission.
This is why you should not try and assign any form of blame until facts are fully know:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/iainmacwhirter/status/1359207539313963008?s=20
a couple of days ago we were being told that 'unionists' were responsible for this without any evidence what so ever.
Adam, that would be Smearer Skier who claimed it was unionists. I said I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of Sturgeons storm troopers.
DeleteThe guy is an SNP member and a dangerous bampot.
Smearer Skier gets it wrong again.
Huh? I thought the SNP had been infiltrated by unionists who were attacking the good guys like Cherry? Were Salmond trans cultists lying about that and everyone in the SNP is pro-indy?
DeleteSurely there must be some MI5 plants? If not, we need independence as the British secret services are shite.
Anyway SNP member doesn't equal indy supporter right IfS?
DeleteSmearer Skier (liar since 2014) - you just cannot accept you are wrong on anything can you Smearer. PATHETIC.
DeleteI said it was most likely a unionist. You have said the SNP is infiltrated by unionists. It's easy to put two and two together.
DeleteAt no point did I said the perpetrator was definitely not going to be an SNP member, just that they are most likely a unionist.
If you want to claim there are unionists in the SNP, then you can't turn around and say they are all indy supporters when it suits.
Why would an indy supporter attack cherry? Makes much more sense for a unionist infiltrator to do that. Maybe one of the 'woke trans cultists that don't support indy' you QUKAnon folks talk about?
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - see when I said the guy is an SNP member and a dangerous bampot - I meant you Smearer - you are nuts.
DeleteMost of the public don't get the intracacies of the Holyrood/Salmond enquiry or even care. But I do because I'm concerned it will impact the SNP campaign in May and set back the cause of independence.
ReplyDeleteIf you're reading this Alex, choose your moment carefully or you really will destroy your own legacy.
Nothing matters more to me than family and Scotland.
I think most SNP members feel the same way. Now is not the time for an internal rammy.
We have an election and a referendum to win first.
Ramstam, I have never seen any sign from your posts that you have read any of the papers in the Inquiry website never mind understand any of the intricacies.
DeleteI do agree that most of the public do not care at present.
I do not agree that a referendum is on the near horizon unless the current leadership is given its jotters and a room in Barlinnie.
Aye. I could never vote for someone who seeks revenge. Revenge is for the weak.
DeleteWhy are you addressing Alex?
ReplyDeleteHe is not in the Party. People in the Party were focused on destroying his career and ending Women's Rights.
Focus on the CURRENT leadership of the SNP.
Alex is the victim and an ordinary citizen.
James you are attempting to bargain with people who have no intention of meeting you anywhere in the middle. It’s futile. We don’t share interests with these people any more, unfortunately. We need to realign with people who do share our primary motivations for an independent country where justice, truth and freedom prevail.
ReplyDeleteA look at the from pages and it's only the Daily Mail + Daily Express headlining with the Salmond story again.
ReplyDeleteI expect IfS will do the same.
'Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose'.
So says Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - they are all Britnat papers so it makes no difference to me. You are the one who reads them.
DeleteOf course you are the one who wants the Tories to remain in power for the next five years to lord it over Scotland just to get the vote for independence higher. That sums up gradualists like you. There will always be a reason to do nothing.
MALICIOUS PROSECUTIONS
ReplyDeleteWolfy the Lord Advocate apologises in Holyrood for wasting vast sums of public funds on malicious prosecutions. Just what do you have to do to resign or be sacked in this current Scottish government.
Next up will be Mark Hirst suing for another malicious prosecution carried out on behalf of two alphabet women. Mark has a crowdfunder underway.
This is what happens when people in power believe they have absolute power and good people look the other way.
Have a lie down dear. You will make yourself unwell. The Judiciary are to be blamed not the Government. Everyone has the right to ask for redress if they were wrongly convicted.
DeleteUnknown please stay unknown as you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. It's the opposite of what you say. No one was convicted. Try and get yourself informed before you post rubbish.
DeleteThe Lord Advocate sits in the Scottish cabinet as part of Sturgeons government.
Fan of new Rangers are we IFS?
Delete#1690
Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - nothing but a sad troll. You and GWC two sides of the same sad coin.
DeleteSmearer Skier ( liar since 2014) - see when I said this is what happens when good people look away - just to be clear I do not include you in that category.
DeleteYou've been arguing that Wolfe is anti-independence, unlike me.
DeleteIt's revealing that the Spectator can publish Salmond's statement to the corruption committee minus one paragraph, but the corruption committee / the corruption government say they can't publish any of it. Meanwhile, we can all read it, right now, and no-one has, or will be prosecuted.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile the Spectator is fighting in court to publish the remaining paragraph. The corruption committee couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag.
The corruption committee sits and shouts out on megaphones 'we are doing a whitewash', and the general reaction is 'that's normal - who would expect anything else?' That's where we have gotten to. That's what we expect from politicians in Scotland.
Spectator is an right-wing English media outlet yes?
DeleteHardly a surprise for it to attack scots.
I predict that the inquiry into us all giving Rangers F.C. £24,000,000 due to a malicious prosecution (by the Lord Advocate, who sits on the Scottish government) will be another whitewash, and no-one will be sacked (oh! woopsie! I just lost £24,000,000 of taxpayer's money. For nothing. Oh dear, what a shame, never mind......).
ReplyDeleteThat's what we expect in Scotland. It's the New Normal. We are drilled that apparently this is all 'competent'. There is also a large group of balloonheads who think that nothing should be done about pretty much anything, 'because Scotland hasn't left the UK'. Not that leaving the UK would make any difference to their inertia.
There is no money being given to Rangers FC. The money went to two individuals who were administrators of Rangers FC when the club went into administration.
DeleteYou mean 'new' rangers. IfC.
DeleteYou seem keen to stick up for the Rangers IfS.
IfS, you were saying the other day that Wolfe sides with unionists in court against indy supporters?
DeleteSmearer Skier (liar since 2014) - unlike you I stick up for the truth and facts - so away and stuff your smears you ignorant twat.
DeleteNo, you like personal insults.
DeleteThat's £24,000,000, and we didn't even get the rudder for a ferry.
ReplyDeleteThe result of the ferry rudder inquiry was the government entirely rejecting the findings of the injury. And that's it. End of story.
Welcome to the New Normal Scotland.
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DeleteAccording to IfS, Wolfe sides with unionists against indy supporters, so must be a unionist.
DeleteSmearer Skier (liar since 2014) - no according to the case details the Lord Advocate ( he of the malicious prosecutions) sided with the Advocate General UK.
DeleteSo you are saying the Lord Advocate is a unionist IfS?
DeleteIn this new world everyone's a unionist. And Salmond is beloved of the people.
DeleteFirst Ministers Questions Today
ReplyDeleteWhat a black farce. Davidson and Sturgeon both pretending to have the interests of the alphabet women at heart. Both Sturgeon and Davidson know who these women are and they know what has been going on but they play out this pathetic charade.
The Scottish government had its day in court and were found wanting.
The alphabet women had their day in court anyway and were found wanting.
What a state the Scottish parliament and the Scottish government is in.
Sturgeon saying she wants Salmond to attend the committee so everyone can hear his side of the story.
DeleteMake sense to me.
I think the committee should look at compelling all relevant people to attend.
My local SNP MSPs are great, so I'll be voting for them.
DeleteSmearer Skier (liar since 2014) - you are nuts. His story as you put it is in his written submissions.
DeleteWhy should Salmond be able to escape questioning?
DeleteI think if he wants to make accusations, he needs to at least answer questions about these.
If he isn't prepared to defend what he's submitted under questioning, it's very hard to accept it as truthful.
Democratic transparency is key; the committee should compel all relevant people to attend and if they refuse, their submissions should be discounted.
I want to see everyone grilled just like Whightman grilled Murrel. You said he did this really well; very tough questioning.
Mr Salmond’s apparently wants to attend and account for all of his submissions. The committee are withholding parts of it which means Mr Salmond’s cannot be “grilled” as the committee wil not ask him about serious allegations
DeleteNo, the committee can grill him on everything; he's been told he can speak freely as he wishes.
DeleteIt's just one of the documents he submitted won't be published due to legal constraints.
He's also demanding immunity from prosecution it appears, which I was taken aback at. He's not above the law; nobody is. It's not the parliaments gift to do that, not for Sturgeon or anyone.
https://andywightman.scot/statement-on-the-publication-of-evidence-to-the-sghhc-committee
...The Committee would have been able to publish Mr Salmond’s submission, in line with the Committee’s statement, as it has his other submissions to the Committee. However, publication of the full submission in a manner that is readily accessible has made it impossible for the Committee to make the redactions needed to meet its legal obligations. This is clearly regrettable and something outwith the Committee’s control, but the Committee will not breach its data protection obligations or the court orders. This reasoning has been made clear to Mr Salmond on numerous occasions.
The Committee has corresponded extensively with Mr Salmond and his legal representatives since July (when he was first asked to make this submission by early August). In addition to the issues around Mr Salmond’s submission, there are a number of conditions to his appearance that the Committee simply could never meet, including waiving threat of all legal prosecution. It is simply not within the Committee’s gift to make such a commitment.
Unionists leaking stuff and publishing it on English websites has caused this problem.
More absolute bullshit by Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - running interference - Smearer is a bad faith actor who when caught out lying then tries to claim he is acting as a devils advocate. He is a charlatan.
DeleteEveryone's a unionist. Everything is a conspiracy. Where's Plan B? Oh that's fine, but where's plan C and D through Z? Eh Nicola? Why show up next week at all. We've already decided. Real leaders obfuscate and don't show up.
ReplyDeleteJeez, I see the English right wing spectator is siding with Wings and trying to interfere with the Scottish parliament committee on the pro-brexit unionist side.
ReplyDeleteSalmond needs to distance himself from these sort of people and quickly.
The last thing AS needs is to be associated with Wings. Utterly toxic, and the main reason the BBC and MSM were able to run a “Wicked Nazi Scot Nats” narrative in the lead up to the Referendum in 2014. That narrative was pivotal in the eventual result. Undecided voters are put off by the foul and abusive language of WOS. You can only persuade people through informed and civilised debate and discussion. No one has ever been persuaded by abuse and shouting.
ReplyDeleteInformed and civilised debate and persuasion, as per WoS wee blu book perhaps?
DeleteWings loves England and prefers being English to Scottish. He says Scots are cowards and the English brave. He's explained this many times, including to right-wing English papers.
DeleteHe's historically a right-wing (orange book) lib dem voter but didn't oppose brexit in 2016 I understand.
He's against self-id saying people should have legal proof of identity, yet self-ids as 'Scottish' without legal status as that.
His website / campaign is based in England and not transparent about funding. If you ask to see accounts, including all donations (including if you make one yourself), your posts are banned.
The collaborative effort that was the WBB seems very long ago now.
Smearer Smearer Skier (liar since 2014) - just why are you obsessed with Campbell?
DeleteAnother brexit bonus.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-freight/road-freight-prices-from-france-to-britain-jump-50-in-january-data-idUSKBN2AA1T0
Road freight prices from France to Britain jump 50% in January - data
Hold on. Did Salmond really demand immunity from prosecution? Why are people climbing on this boat?
ReplyDeleteAndy Whightman has said he agrees with the statement from the Scottish parliament, which says, among other things, that Salmond asked for immunity from prosecution.
DeleteThe official statement is reported widely, but Whightman saying he backs its contents (on his own blog) means I can't see reason to not believe that.
Whightman gave Murrell a real grilling and is hardly one of the, ahem 'wokeista' or whatever the QUKAnon call folks. He's certainly not under Sturgeon's thumb that's for sure. Clearly not under Salmond's either, but his own man.
https://andywightman.scot/statement-on-the-publication-of-evidence-to-the-sghhc-committee
I cannot for the life of me think why Salmond would ask the impossible... Unless he just doesn't want to actually be questioned, and is really trying to wiggle out of it.
Kind rocking my faith in Salmond here.
I have been of the belief that the UK civil service have been after him, what with 7/9 in court on the direct whitehall payroll. So I don't know why he would not take this opportunity to say his piece.
" Rocking my faith in Salmond" - what a lying arse you are Smearers Skier.
DeleteI believe he may be referring to being advised he may be in contempt of court depending on what he says to the committee.His legal team have written to the committee asking for clarification
ReplyDeleteYes, but that applies to Murrell, Sturgeon and everyone else too. I think if they can manage to describe events from their perspective without naming any names directly, then Salmond can too. Unionists already directly threatened Murrell with prosecution but he turned up. To me that suggests he has nothing to hide. Same for Sturgeon.
DeleteAlex Salmond was IMO wronged in the charges brought against him.
ReplyDeleteThey were rebutted because they were outlandish and implausible in their variety and the jury just didn't find them credible.
But mud sticks and whether he seeks revenge or closure he'll need to tread carefully lest he destroys what he helped to build - the modern day SNP.
The notion that Nicola Sturgeon is solely responsible for his present position outside the SNP is plain wrong.
No man or woman is above the party, or is trying to destroy anybody's rights.
BTW IFS, I've read lots of info on this.
The fact is, unlike you I'm not blinkered into believing what I see on websites that claim to know it all.
Nicola Sturgeon is an asset and at the moment Alex Salmond, in attempting to take down the FM is risking everything he's ever worked for in politics.
Alex is fond of the term "realpolitik", well we're just three months from the most important SP elections since the start of the Scottish Parliament. Let's screw the nut and get this done.
Ramstam - I note you did not mention the Inquiry website and all its papers. Try reading them.
Delete"Mud sticks" you say and that was the point of it all. Who threw the mud- Sturgeon and her hubby and her pals. If your conscience allows you to condone this then that is up to you Ramstam . I'm pretty sure Sturgeon told me at George sq Nov 2020 that the next election was the most important ever.
Ps how can you be blinkered in to believing something 😂😂😂
To be very, very clear there was nothing 'bogus' about the fact that Joanna Cherry contributed to the organisation'We are fair cop'. Why is there something wrong with that? Because it is a hate organisation. Is that just my claim or the claim of the SNP? Well if so, you have to come up with an explanation of WeAreFairCop tweeting in response to a a West Yorkshire Police tweet decrying transphobia and violence against trans people "Thanks but no thanks. Hate is as legitimate as love..."
ReplyDeleteThat is BRAGGING about being a hate organisation. There was absolutely no choice except to remove those supporting that organisation. I honestly think that (and surveys seem to support) that only a minority want a Scotland based on hatred and bigotry.