On the other hand, the crisis does distract from the SNP's election win and the renewed mandate for the two main pro-independence parties. The one thing we mustn't allow to happen is for the independence issue to go back to sleep as a result of Labour's woes. We have the mandate and we must maintain a sense of urgency and use it. The vote on a Section 30 order must go ahead, and if Westminster then say no, it's reasonable to conclude after so many exhaustive attempts that the intransigence is permanent and an alternative means of exercising the mandate must be found. The independence movement is not going to be tolerant of any further procrastination, and justifiably so. As Believe in Scotland said last year, the obvious way forward is to use the next UK general election as a de facto referendum on independence.
I was criticised for making that point the other day by Angus Brendan MacNeil, the former MP for Na h-Eileanan an Iar. He wants a snap Holyrood election to be held within months instead. I really don't think that's a helpful suggestion. I have no problem with the principle of using a snap Holyrood election further down the road, but if you did it so soon after the election we've only just had, many voters would be furious at what they would see as self-indulgent game-playing, and pro-independence parties would be punished. The beauty of using the Westminster election is that everyone would know it would be taking place anyway. The other advantages are:
* If Reform UK appear to be on the brink of taking power UK-wide, the crisis would be imminent and voters might well be highly receptive to the message that voting for independence is the "last chance" to stop Farage.
* In a Westminster election, it's feasible to run on an independence-only or independence-dominant platform. In any Holyrood election, a devolved government is being elected and the SNP would be seen as irresponsible or frivolous if they did not set out their stall for what they would do with devolved power.
* There are still plenty of sceptics about the principle of a de facto referendum, and if it's going to happen in the real world we need to build a consensus for it. That consensus is much more likely to emerge if we focus on the Westminster 2029 option, given that the mainstream and SNP-allied organisation Believe in Scotland have already proposed it. The more outlandish proposals like MacNeil's just make the whole idea seem unserious. Stick to the credible plan and let's actually make it happen this time.
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one of the key tactical wins was Salmond saying the referendum would take place towards the end of the parliament.
ReplyDeletei think having a date and building towards a date really helps focus minds and creates a campaign.
i personally dont feel a momentum towards actually wanting a vote among the population which is a pre requisite. how do we build the enthusiasm?
French King Louis XIV used knitting needles as a fashion accessory.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDelete1. Get the Section 30 debated in Holyrood, drafted, ratified and sent to Starmer/Streeting/Rayner/Ed/Cooper/Burnham while the iron's hot.
2. Use the outrage of their rejection—WESTMINSTER SAYS WHEESHT—to trigger a cross-party response. A Constitutional Convention. Bring in all the Yes parties, all the Yes groups, and everyone else who favours a a de facto referendum on independence. Get the alliance in place.
3. In the 2029 UK General Election, stand 1 candidate in every seat on an Independence ticket. No vote splitting. No silly buggers. Let those votes be our national vote for Yes.
Then when Prime Minister Farage kisses Charlie's hand, we have an internationally recognisable mandate for independence.
Anything less, and we'll look back on this for a long, long time, like it was 1979.
It's not credible to postulate a world where Farage has won a majority AND then meekly agrees to Scottish independence, whatever the strength of the de facto vote.
ReplyDeleteNo, that simply is not the point, and I'm afraid that's no longer going to wash as an excuse for doing nothing. We do not have the power to force a UK government of *any* persuasion to respect a mandate for independence. What we do have the ability to do is *win* that mandate, and that's what we need to get on with doing.
DeleteJames is right. There's a world of difference between talking about a thing and actually doing a thing.
DeleteA real de facto vote for Yes changes everything. Suddenly, the world's eyes are upon us, and Farage's response to our declaration of intent.
The world's eyes? Fat lot of help that'll be, a bunch of international media showing up for a week, then losing interest and leaving.
DeleteOnly a handful of foreign nations would like to see us split the UK up. The rest of them are indifferent or consider it damaging to their national interests, they're certainly not going to pressure the UK to let us go.
You may as well pray for divine intervention.
That's the ballot paper sorted Yes for Independence.
DeleteMr Farage is about to be investigated concerning the £5million he received and could very well find himself in serious doo-doo.
DeleteDisagree. Swinney needs to begin drawing up legislation for a Referendum free of Dirty Foreign Money from Thursday. Anything else is Procrastination and making any Indy vote dependent on the Sassanach GE just means they get to wash us with dirty foreign money.
ReplyDeleteDont waste any frekking time asking for a Section 30.
Run along please little irrelevant Atlas person.
DeleteFarage has the wind in his sails since the election. Two polls with field work conducted since then.
ReplyDeleteYouGov, 10th to 11th May; RefUK 28% absolute, 11% lead, +4% week on week movement.
More in Common, 9th to 12th; RefUK 30% absolute, 9% lead, +2% week on week movement.
If you want a hearty guffaw, check out the latest Campbell rant on Wings.
ReplyDeleteHis foot-stamping tantrums against the SNP and Greens are now so huge, that they register on the Richter Scale.
He is turning a smashing colour of Gammon-Puce, as his new pin-up Offord is already getting sidelined for being racist Reform trash.
Popcorn all round!