Monday, September 30, 2024

In Liz We Trussed - but could Jenrick be Just The Ticket?

When Boris Johnson resigned just over two years ago, it seemed like a setback for the independence cause, because he was regarded as the best recruiting sergeant we could ever have.  But I and others believed that there was one remaining hope.  In Liz We Trussed.  If Truss rather than Sunak won, there would be a potential Thatcher-like figure in Number 10 who would be electable in England but loathed in Scotland, which might just be the decisive factor in pushing Scotland towards independence - just as Thatcher herself had been decisive in transforming the slender pro-devolution majority of 1979 into what John Smith famously called "the settled will" of the early-to-mid 90s.

Of course what none of us anticipated, and in fairness there was no way we could have anticipated it, was that Truss would literally prove to be the most hapless Prime Minister in British history, would bring the economy to the brink of collapse within a month-and-a-half, and would single-handedly make a Labour government in 2024 a nailed-on certainty, thus allowing Scottish Labour to ride the momentum and narrowly defeat the SNP.  In retrospect, the Truss victory in the 2022 leadership election was not only bad for the SNP and the wider independence cause, but worse than we could ever have imagined.

So it's obviously dangerous to be too confident in any assumptions we make about knock-on effects from the current Tory leadership vote. The opposite of what seems obvious could easily prove to be true. But for the fun of it, let's have a go anyway.

For reasons that are probably self-evident to regular readers, I haven't been paying as much attention to the vote as I normally would, and I've been a bit puzzled as to why Robert Jenrick has emerged as a strong favourite with the bookies.  I know he's topped the MPs' ballots, but that shouldn't really matter if Kemi Badenoch is the darling of the membership in the way we were told until recently.  But if the bookies are right and Jenrick wins, the Tories are going to move into space associated with the far right.  I had wondered if some of his extremist rhetoric was designed to win the vote and he would tack more to the centre thereafter, but I watched his video about the ECHR earlier today, and he hasn't left himself any wiggle-room at all.  It seems clear he would turn the Tories into a "leave the ECHR, no ifs, no buts" party.

Now, that only matters if he's capable of winning a general election.  My verdict on Jenrick's video is that he has that kind of generic Tory 'slimy toad' speaking style that makes my flesh crawl, but then I'm not really his target audience.  He does have fluency, he does have confidence.  He could potentially win back a lot of voters from Reform without necessarily alienating the voters who stuck with Sunak in July, and that's all he'd really need to do unless Labour can get back to the sort of popularity they haven't had since 2017 when they took 40% of the vote under Jeremy Corbyn.  At the moment that's hard to imagine.

It's just conceivable, then, that Jenrick could become Prime Minister in 2028 or 2029 and that Britain really could leave the ECHR.  What would be the reaction of moderate, pro-European No voters in Scotland?  They reluctantly reconciled themselves to Brexit, but would they really be so sanguine about Brexit II: This Time It's The Kitchen Sink?  It would be an extraordinary opportunity for the independence movement, essentially an unexpected second chance for us to take advantage of the golden opportunity we somehow managed to squander in 2016-19.  But the SNP would need to have the right leadership and strategy in place.

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52 comments:

  1. Does it really matter to Scots who the UK prime minister is. We've had Tory after Tory after Tory. We say we don't want them but do we do anything about them.

    And now with a Labour Government in Westminster more Tory than the Tories, and as brutally committed as the Tory neo cons, how may of us in Scotland realise that they are only in power in consequence of the English right wing Tory vote that was spread across Reform and the Tories.

    Yes, that's right, England voted for twice as many Tories as they did for labour!

    Scotland sadly suck up what it doesn't vote for. Its a right wing neo con immigrant hating country where the rich prosper as standards of living go down for the rest.

    Indeed, only this weekend Johan Lamont had a position paper published asking the question if it was right in Scotland to give free bus passes to the elderly and the young, free prescriptions, free education and free school meals.

    And they Labour having already announced the cut in winter heating for something like 10 million pensioners, do you think any of this is going to make any difference to the Scots. And all the while Scotland is being turned into one big generator where its wind resources will power the " nation " or should I say the nation down south.

    Interesting article James,

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    1. The unionist case, at its core, is: sure, thanks to the Union most of the time you'll have Conservative governments, you'll be stuck outside the EU, and countless other miseries will be visited upon you; but the only possible alternative is being an outright third-world country because Scotland needs English largesse to survive. Mainstream politicians rarely state it in those terms, but it's what the median, non-extremist No voter believes, and it's the belief that sustains the UK. As long as that's the case, it doesn't really matter how bad things get, because things could always be worse.

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    2. Exactly. It's still "too wee, too poor, too stupid." And the trouble is: most folk still believe it.

      We won't convince them without answers to the questions which beat us in 2014: currency and the border. And why don't we have those answers with all these years to work on them since?

      Because "somehow". indeed, someone isn't interested in independence. The only someone who matters: the public face of the whole concept: the leader of the SNP.

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    3. Interesting article, James. I could see our window of opportunity closing when Truss tanked and Nicola stood outside Holyrood that chilly night telling us the usual pish the day she'd squandered Plan A at the "supreme" court. Labour were on the ascendancy by default, and we had lost our rudder.

      What I hadn't considered, until now, was that it was the Tory leadership election that year which set our fate. I hadn't paid much attention, as they were picking a replacement for a man I loathed from a gallery of despicable alternatives. Little did any of us realise one of them, dear Lizzie, was an authentic lunatic, far more dangerous than even Johnson.

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    4. Johan Lamonts piece was sensible.

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  2. Yes, and when did we first start truly detesting a Tory leader.

    Back in the 70s with Thatcher when she started closing down Scottish industry. That was a long time ago!

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    1. I'm old enough to remember Heath and the shipbuilding carryon. People hated Heath but he was so leftwing compared to Sir Starmer and Sir LibDem.

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    2. Imho every leader between 1945-1979 was more left wing than every one who came after

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  3. Craig Houston’s piece on Yousless is worrying. Just how was taxpayers money used for the Gaza donation? It must be coincidence that his relatives managed to get to Turkey. To think otherwise would be a blow to the Indy cause.

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    1. Ask Ridley she may be able to explain how this works?

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    2. Craig Houston? You mean the far right podcaster and friend of Shannon Donoghue?

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    3. The Telegraph.. far right rag have mentioned the Gaza money. What if they and Houston are right?

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    4. Do you think Hitler and Mussolini were right too?

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    5. Anon at 11.26. You’re one nasty little scumbag. Far right unionist. What else should we expect? Bugger off back to the Mail and the Telegraph.

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    6. Anon 7.18 Houston is Right (wing).

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  4. A bit too soo to say what Jenrick's leadership will be like.

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    1. Yes, he's like the French Revolution, except less fun.

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  5. Not sure about this sort of aversion therapy view of how support for independence might grow.

    Is it not just as likely that, as the steps taken to squeeze out more and more wealth into the hands of the parasite minority continue, the political tools of that process will decide that it is time to stop piddling about and will opt for authoritarian populism or outright fascism ?

    Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, Farage and a host of others show the trend. Starmer and Macron are indicators showing that there is no real opposition to the authoritarian trend in establishment circles. Harris and Waltz are anomalies because, with Trump, the American right has saddled itself with a mentally disintegrating freak.
    Somehow we have to find a positive way forward for ourselves. I think that what worries me most is that there seems to be little sense of urgency on our side. Our parties are a mess and not fit for purpose, our resources are being pumped out etc etc.

    Our time to resolve this and get moving is not unlimited.


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  6. Why are you here then?

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    1. Because they don’t believe the dream is over. They don’t realise for us it is a necessity, a right and our cause for our children and children’s children. They are feart.

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  7. Jenrick’s election would boost the Scots Lib Dems due to a flight of mainstream Tories away from their old party to their nearest neighbour to the left of it.

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  8. Reassuring to see your post today is the same as yesterday's. I wonder what tomorrow's might be.October 1, 2024 at 10:32 AM

    Cut and paste

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  9. A lot of people living in Scotland have a great capacity to take a beating from lunatic Tories and Labour politicians and still believe we are better together. Others just love getting a beating. A lot of stupid sad people in Scotland represented by that poster KC.

    There is an endless supply of corrupt lunatic Tories and Labour standing in line to get power in Westminster. These people are Scotland’s future prison guards.

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    1. The issue is though when they look to Holyrood they no longer see a competent Government running things up here either (especially for the past few years).

      It doesn't give people great confidence to support independence when the 'Party of Independence' are making a mess of things.

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    2. Says the Daily Express reader.

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    3. Anon@10:44,
      You are a deluded fool.

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    4. A lot of these pensioners now moaning about losing their winter fuel allowance will have voted Labour and would probably vote Labour again. For some of them it is a self imposed hardship . For others it is a self imposed death.
      Labour’s next election leaflet should say vote Labour to freeze your granny.

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    5. 11. 18 anon
      When someone refers to “ us”being “ up here” it implies their mindset, loyalties and possibly where they are blogging from is “doom there”.

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    6. 12.57pm - a spot on comment.

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    7. Anon @ 12:57 or perhaps since the original comment is talking about the Government and Parties down south saying "up here" is a way to refer to the Government up here?

      In any case why are we talking about semantics?

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    8. Because semantics and framing matter.

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    9. Could also be seen as deflection to have a discission about something trivial rather than the subject matter.

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    10. Not uncommon among some!

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  10. Woke up on the wrong side of the bed again?

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    1. Is it not "got out of the wrong side of the bed"?

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    2. No. In the sense that waking up on the wrong side if the bed can lead to confusion and possibly distress. It has only happened to me twice. The first time was in a hotel in Gran Canaria. I had been expecting to see the sliding door to the balcony but instead I saw a wall. Very unsettling. I had better not mention the other time! Oo-er matron!

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    3. Alright then, if you insist! Nosies!
      The second time was when I feel asleep after a night's carousing as a student in Aberystwyth. Not only was I on the ring side of the bed, but I was upside down! I was like a bear with a sore throat for the rest of that day. Just ask anyone. It's an oft-told tale.

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    4. The ring side of the bed? That’s a bit too much info.

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    5. Eek! Oversharing...

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  11. None of these people will be PM

    Jenrick wore a hoodie. Nope.
    Badenoch is reckless.
    Tom is boring
    Dont even know if there are others.

    SNPs best bet is Labour find govt more difficult and bruising than they thought. First signs are good.

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    1. There would also need to be no further cock-ups, scandals or developments in the multiple legal cases involving the SNP. I don't hold out much hope for that tbh.

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    2. Give us some detail on the multiple court cases.

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    3. Are you unaware of Westminster presently dismantling devolution before your very eyes? The level of unawareness is staggering and deeply concerning.

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    4. Anon @ 4:21PM

      Operation Broadcroft, the much-discussed Operation Branchform, a separate unnamed Crown Office inquiry into perjury by an individual and then presumably the fresh legal action Alex Salmond has launched against the Scottish Government.

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    5. Operation Broadcroft? Details?
      Operation Branchform?! Even my more sensible unionist friends know this to be a politically motivated witch hunt. And the rest is unnamed? So your multiple court cases is actually a lie? Surprise surprise. Must try harder silly billy.

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  12. Ot / strange that the bbc web page goes quite tough on coastguard helicopters being banned at hospitals in Scotland based on new U.K. & NI guidance. Turn to NI, Wales and England bbc pages and nothing is there. You almost could think that pacific quay bbc is trying for a bad Scotland story.

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  13. Project Fear The Series

    The unionist case is simply we know things are shit for Scotland in the UK but independence will be a lot worse.
    Pretty pathetic that the SNP leadership can’t knock this rubbish on the head. The worse thing I hear is “ my heart says yes but we can’t afford it. “ It doesn’t help that people see the £23 billion deficit headlines for Scotland generated by the GERS report. Why does a party supposed to be for independence keep publishing this nonsense. The only answer after all these years is that the SNP is a party of devolution not independence.

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    1. Aye England will make sure of that

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  14. Anon at 5.10pm - sounds like you voted to freeze Scotland’s grannies. Must make you feel proud. A proud Brit in the proud Brit tradition.

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  15. The XL bully dog called Israel is off the leash and ignoring its masters USA and UK. Israel a vicious dog born and bred by the UK and fed by the USA is delivering death and destruction.

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