Friday, July 19, 2024

The blackout on reporting of David Davis' revelation tells us a lot about how media bias works in the UK - but we still need to start separating out the Sturgeon v Salmond battles from the internal politics of the independence movement

I note that David Davis has used parliamentary privilege to allege that Liz Lloyd, the former Chief of Staff for Nicola Sturgeon, was the person who unlawfully leaked details of allegations against Alex Salmond to the repugnant Daily Record and its political editor David Clegg.  I also note the weird media blackout on reporting of Davis' allegation - a Google search only turns up a solitary article in The Times, which would suggest the Scottish media is ignoring it completely.  This illustrates again how media bias works - it's often not how they report on things but whether they choose to report them in the first place.  Deciding what members of the public should know and what they should remain in ignorance of is a tremendous power, and it's one that is routinely and cynically abused by the mainstream media.  Because this is a rare example of non-reporting that potentially benefits the independence movement, it's a particularly useful illustration of the process.

Like most people who have looked at the facts as objectively as possible, I was forced to conclude that a small group of people close to Nicola Sturgeon decided for petty-minded factional reasons that Alex Salmond should never be able to return to front-line politics, and to prevent that happening they deliberately set in train a process that they knew might result in him going to jail for crimes he did not commit.  That is a disgraceful state of affairs, and I can only wish Mr Salmond the very best as he seeks long-overdue redress. But that is ultimately a personal matter (or it is now that Mr Salmond or Ms Sturgeon are no longer ministers) and we have got to start separating it out from the politics of the independence movement before it does any more damage.

That is one reason why it is to be greatly regretted that Kate Forbes was not elected SNP leader either last year or this year. Instead we still have a First Minister who was closely associated with the Sturgeon faction, which is making it harder for the warriors of the Salmond v Sturgeon cold war to move on.  And on the Alba side, I can remember saying three years ago that Alex Salmond was far too sensible to allow any antipathy towards Nicola Sturgeon to seep into Alba's campaigning and that instead the party would be making a relentlessly positive case.  I would have to say my confidence on that front was partly misplaced - not during the Holyrood campaign of 2021, but later on, and most especially during the last three months of 2022 and the early part of 2023.  Over that period, not only were senior Alba people sometimes painting the SNP as a party of perverts, they were also demonising Nicola Sturgeon on a personal level, seemingly in an all-out effort to bring her down as First Minister.  That was an entirely counter-productive objective because Sturgeon had intended to fight the general election as a de facto independence referendum, while anyone likely to replace her was going to ditch that strategy.  (And no, I'm not impressed by the argument that the general election outcome shows that the Sturgeon strategy was wrong - the whole campaign would have been different if the SNP had been fighting it as a de facto under Sturgeon's leadership, and no-one can say what the result would have been.)

After 4th July, we do not have the luxury of being able to permit ourselves distractions.  We need a totally committed push over the next two years to save the pro-independence majority at Holyrood and at the very least to ensure that a pro-independence government remains in power. The posture of an individual's legal team should not form part of the ideology of any political party - and I'm not just talking about Alba when I say that.  It was, after all, the SNP that sent Nicola Sturgeon flowers after she faced a round of tough questioning.

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157 comments:

  1. I think we should take little note of David Davis - a Tory who supported Brexit, no supporter of Scotland or Nicola Sturgeon's politics.

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    1. Even Tony Benn supported David Davis when he resigned and forced a by-election on civil liberties matters. Davis is not a one-dimensional figure.

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    2. There's an awful lot to disagree with David Davis but he's always been one of those parliamentarians who has spoken up for free speech and transparency. He has for example opposed extension of government surveillance powers consistently.

      One of the most interesting radio exchanges I've listened to in my life was between David Davis and Alan Johnson who were both discussing the circumstances of their childhood.

      He's a Tory, I'd never vote for his party, but I'm interested in what he has to say even if I eventually disagree with it.

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    3. David Davis is doing this to harm Nicola Sturgeon. Let us not pretend there is a positive reason.

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    4. "I think we should take little note of David Davis - a Tory who supported Brexit, no supporter of Scotland or Nicola Sturgeon's politics."

      Insert fingers in ears and recite after me... "Lah-lah-lah-not listening"

      Attack the man all you like, but the substance of his allegations are there for all to see.

      Then again, there are none so blind as those who will not see, and plenty contributions here giving weight to that proverb.

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    5. Tony Benn was energy minister and hid the truth about Scotlands oil wealth. Labour/ Tory, Tory/ labour. Ps havent but the record this century and 20 years before.

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    6. Anon 1:59 there is a positive reason - it's called justice

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    7. David Davis v Nicola Sturgeon. I know which side I am on.

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  2. Did Nicola Sturgeon have politics?

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    1. Absolutely. She led the SNP to a majority in Holyrood which demonstrates she has a progressive politics that resonates with ordinary people in Scotland. A great communicator.

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    2. Even although she has stood down the enemy still fear her.

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    3. You are delusional

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    4. "She led the SNP to a majority in Holyrood"

      That was Salmond in 2011...

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    5. Salmond called the referendum prematurely.

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  3. The majority of the anger directed at Sturgeon was due to the GRR which was passed by parliament December 22.

    In the end she couldn’t say a double rapist was a man and so ended her premiership.

    It was nothing to do with Alex Salmond and nothing to do with Alba.

    It was the women that wouldn’t wheesht.

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    1. Citation needed.

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    2. Some of the criticism of Nicola Sturgeon is misogyny.

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    3. And some of it isn't

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    4. If GRR was the main reason for the SNP losing support of 4 July, why did Labour, the Greens and Lib Dems in Scotland all gain support?
      It was backed by the vast majority of Labour MSPs and all LibDems and Greens while the other party that lost votes, the Scottish Tories, opposed it en masse.

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  4. Maybe the problem is that while an MP can say something and have it protected under parliamentary privilege, it doesn't always follow in a clearcut way that reporting that the MP said it is also protected.

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    1. In Parliament -- it is ok to report what is said there.

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  5. We should not forget that if the Alba members had stayed in the SNP, Yousaf would not have had the numbers he needed to get elected as leader and we would likely have been in a much better position today.

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    1. Rubbish. I've debunked that claim multiple times. Yousaf would still have won.

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  6. Needs the Police to do their duty and Investigate the matter fully without bias and to the letter of the law. Make no mistake Sturgeon was a huge failure and and even bigger failure as FM and Leader of the SNP.

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    1. She led the SNP to a 50% share of the vote - hardly a failure.

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    2. She certainly got more than 1.5% for her party. A bit of misogyny and jealousy at work.

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    3. She was a disaster for Scotland - even the great COVID shit is coming back to haunt her

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    4. Her handling of covid-19 was better than that of other parts of the UK. Her communication was second to none.

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    5. Shame we're unable to properly scrutinise the actions she took during the pandemic due to her deleting all of her WhatsApp messages... despite her publicly promising during the pandemic to retain all messages for a future inquiry.

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    6. Anon at 1.17. Stop being disingenuous. N S made clear that she did not conduct govt business through insecure WhatsApp messaging. The fact that unionists did is what should be worrying you.

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    7. We'll never know and can only take her word for that as all of her WhatsApp messages have gone into the ether despite the promises to retain them.

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  7. On reflection I've decided to delete KP's lengthy comment, because although it was cagily worded, the more I read it, the more it looked like a cynical misrepresentation of my own position.

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    1. Why not just rebut it then?

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    2. Because there are only so many hours in a day. I've explained this umpteen times. The problem of trolling on this blog - which doubtless you contribute to, Anon - is so overwhelming that it would be literally impossible to make a detailed response to every misrepresentation of my position. And since leaving comments up without reply might be interpreted as tacit acceptance on my part of their content, I have little option but to delete.

      Now, I have taken considerable time to reply to your qustion, Anon, even though it was vexatious. Do not waste my time any further by replying again. Thank you.

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    3. So transparency and openness don't apply to you?

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  8. Some of the comments just seem like those who are opposed to Nicola Sturgeon taking the opportunity to criticise her.

    She deserves praise for her service to the SNP. Not criticism.

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    1. She sacrificed the best years of her life for the SNP and there is a lack of recognition of this from those who would criticise her here.

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    2. You are Nicola Sturgeon's mother and I claim my £5

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    3. Agree but the vicious critics don’t care.

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    4. She sacrificed the best years of her life for the SNP

      By having a job? Which pays very well? And is widely sought after?

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    5. "She deserves praise for her service to the SNP. Not criticism"

      What service?

      You only need to look at the positive state of the Party when she inherited it and the utter mess she handed to her successor.

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    6. "By having a job? Which pays very well? And is widely sought after?"

      Yes, I think most people would consider being a national leader a good use of their time. It's not like you'd be thinking "I could have spent that time mending the shed".

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    7. She probably wishes that she got more use out of that motorhome though.

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    8. No she doesn't

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    9. The motor home was not for personal use. Instead it was actually for the SNP to use when campaigning during COVID-19. Thankfully, in no part thanks to Nicola Sturgeon, COVID-19 levels fell and it did not prove necessary to use the motor home. In order to avoid parking charges, it was prudent to park it at Peter Murrell's mother's house. There genuinely is nothing to see here.

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    10. ^ correction, meant to say " in no *small* part thanks to Nicola Sturgeon"

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    11. Sturgeon did well with managing COVID? Not according to the COVID enquiry, quite the opposite.

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    12. Can't tell if the Anon @ 8:14PM is satire or not.

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  9. "After 4th July, we do not have the luxury of being able to permit ourselves distractions. We need a totally committed push over the next two years to save the pro-independence majority at Holyrood and at the very least to ensure that a pro-independence government remains in power. "

    For me, the only way forward now is SNP with John Swinney. If we hold our nerve and keep focused on the bigger picture of a continuing SNP government we have a decent chance of winning the most seats.

    Let's not forget that the SNP were only 5 points behind and that Labour will become less popular.

    It is to be expected that Swinney would be good at running a minority SNP government given his experience and the high level of skill he has demonstrated over many years in politics.

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    1. *Inserts everything is fine meme with flames all around*

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    2. Is this the punch the air guy?

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  10. Can I say to all SNP supporters that we should not rubbish our most successful leader or their time in office. We should be telling a story that is positive. Otherwise it just puts people off voting for the SNP.

    Remember how poorly Ed Miliband did, after he appeared to pour criticism on Labour when in office. It is not a good idea.

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    1. Therefore we should defend Nicola and her time in office.

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    2. This is utter nonsense - your behaving like fans not adults

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    3. The most successful leader in SNP history is Alex Salmond. He led us to the referendum.
      In my opinion, steps were then taken to destroy him. British civil servants and their allies in the SNP did what they did.
      The rest is history.

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    4. "Can I say to all SNP supporters that we should not rubbish our most successful leader or their time in office"

      Is that Alex Salmond?

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    5. Absolutely anon 4:33

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    6. No, the poster meant Nicola Sturgeon. There are people rubbishing them but not Salmond.

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  11. I listened to the whole of Davis's speach and it was quite eye opener. I know that there are a lot of anti-Salmond people out there and others who think that Sturgeon was a great leader, but you should listen to the speech. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the content but all he is asking for is an investigation and more protection for committees scrutinising the actions of ministers and civil servants. What's wrong with that?

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    1. Is he not in the part of the party of princess Mone of the million pounds contract? The party of offshore funds and the sewage in English rivers, Palestine turn a blind eye and the rest. Yet , somehow his conscience has been troubled over little old Scotia……. . Giv us a break

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    2. Your comment doesn't make sense - the things you mentioned are irrelevant. This is about justice

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    3. Listen to his speech

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  12. Salmond had good points , Sturgeon had good points , both made mistakes too. Salmond , in a way , set himself up for criticism . There seems to have been a plot against Salmond , maybe Sturgeon knew this , maybe no . Okay it aye worth kenning the truth if mair is tae come oot.

    But for goodness sake lets move on. What can be done to put the SNP in a better place? How can we bring independence to the forefront of people's minds?

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    1. The SNP needs a reset... and frankly that's not possible with Sturgeon's close friend and Deputy being in charge.

      They need a fresh approach untainted by the past.

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    2. “Maybe Sturgeon knew this” no maybes about it. Sturgeon instigated it right from the beginning in 2017 and controlled it using her Chief of Staff Liz Lloyd.

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    3. See you as a witness. You will be revealed!!!

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  13. Did Sturgeon’s husband and the Treasurer Beattie get flowers from the SNP when they were arrested and interrogated by the police? Or is Sturgeon a special case? How can these people not just use their own money to buy flowers for Sturgeon? Is that where some of the missing £600k went?
    Absolutely amazing people still defend Sturgeon and her husband.

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  14. Well you state 4.51 that Sturgeon knew and instigated it ( what exactly?) and controlled it through Liz Lloyd. I am not saying that this is not true but I don't know if it is or not

    Where is the proof , the sources ? Is is this more hearsay?

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    1. Can't get hold of it for the reasons David Davis mentioned

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    2. All the evidence is in the papers from the Scottish Parliament Inquiry. Not my problem people are too lazy to read it.

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  15. Giggs tried an interdict and fat all difference it made. Same as Huw Edwards.

    The story would have come out one way or another.

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  16. There's no Sturgeon v Salmond battle going on, that's just Salmond and his old pals squealing to get him some attention as he drifts forgettably further and further away into the distance while Sturgeon remains the only threat to the UK cabal

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    1. There is a reason ITV chose Sturgeon not Salmond to appear on the election night coverage.

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    2. Which will happen first - independence, or Dr Jim writing an anonymous post which isn't obviously him

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    3. "There's no Sturgeon v Salmond battle going on"

      Except for the upcoming court case?

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  17. I'm just an ordinary thicko SNP member. I hae nae idea what went wi Sturgeon v Salmond , or not much idea.

    Perhaps folk should spill the beans - put up or shut up!

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    1. It's difficult to do so without the possibility of being accused of jigsaw identification and risking possible prosecution, but lots of people out there are fully aware of who at least some of those involved in the case are. I know two of the names, including the one who could not possibly have been with Alex Salmond at Bute House at the time one of the alleged offences took place. All I will say is that both accusers that I know the names of are closely connected to politicians who have been very high up in the SNP hierarchy. The information is out there in the public domain on the internet and has even been mentioned by several sources in the mainstream media, including newspapers and on TV. You don't have to look very far at all but you will have to join the dots for yourself.

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    2. Likewise. Woman A (the organiser) and Woman H (the rape victim who wasn't there) are widely known and still very much part of Chairman Maw's circle. There names can be discovered with a minimum of effort.

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  18. I’m an ordinary SNP member but no thicko! We can see the plotting from Davis and co. I suppose the fact ALBA has no MP’s anymore requires Salmond to get a Tory to speak for them.
    Still week done to the SNP for winning a bye-election in Argyll and Bute formally held by a Lib Dem. Not sure if ALBA stood. nope it appears not
    Ann Horn (SNP) - 728
    Donald Kelly (Independent) - 322
    Douglas MacDonald (Scottish Liberal Democrats) - 281
    Alan McManus (Freedom Alliance) - 25
    Elizabeth Redman (Scottish Conservative and Unionist) - 322

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    1. Excellent SNP result.

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    2. Anon @ 6:25:PM

      You were lucky that the greens didnt stand

      FatherTedCrilly

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  19. Every one of you in denial of Sturgeons failings are de facto enemies of independence! Perhaps those transfixed by clearing Alex Salmond’s name are too.
    It’s not intentional on anyone’s part but little by little we are destroying what once was the greatest civil movement this country has seen. Depressing, and as yet no bottom in sight.

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    1. Mark- independence supporters are enemies of independence. Please seek help.

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  20. Disregard my 7.32 pii oi st. It’s on wrong article. Apologies

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  21. I am surprised to see people say Salmond was a better leader than Sturgeon.

    Salmond stupidly called for a referendum too early, before support for independence was high enough to win.

    A costly lesson.

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    1. Sturgeon was always the better communicator. It was not under Salmond but it was under Sturgeon that independence was to command more than 50% in the opinion polls.

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    2. Then dropped again

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    3. Anon @ 7:39PM

      Mmm 20/20 vision in hindsight is not a show of intelligence

      anyone could say what you just wrote, but you do it out of

      malice to Alex Salmond, nicola sturgeon stupidly undermined

      Scotlands sovereignty by asking the BRITISH controlled

      Supreme Court to pass judgement on the scottish parliaments

      ability to hold a referendum, Now anon @ 7.39PM if your

      looking for stupid well there it is right there, you do not have to

      look far from your own heroines door

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    4. Salmond got support from just under 30pc to 45pc - and for anon at 8:07 Salmond got it to 52pc the week before the referendum and before the vow.

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    5. Should have called it when support for independence was higher.

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    6. Actually what Nicola Sturgeon did was to point out that Scotland is not dealing with a democracy and it was a pointless exercise continuing to ask for section 30s but the Scottish electorate did nothing in the face of England's court ruling, and Alba did nothing because Alex Salmond's plan was always to do nothing except ask for devo max with the help of his buddy David Davis

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    7. Alba (and ISP to be fair) are the only ones calling for each and every election to essentially be used as a de-facto referendum.

      The SNP even now still believe we need a "gold standard" Section 30 Order approved referendum before doing anything. Their 2024 election plan was painfully laughable, it's no wonder so many Yes supporters stayed at home.

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    8. Anon @ 10:04PM

      Trying to blame the Scottish electorate when we had leaders who didn't lead is a bold assessment.

      Sturgeon did nothing after winning mandates in multiple elections. Wasted Brexit, wasted having Boris Johnson as Prime Minister & then went to the Supreme Court to ask permission knowing the outcome... & then promptly fucked off shortly afterwards.

      The SNP then did absolutely nothing except make themselves unpopular with the electorate with one fuck-up after another. Sturgeon and the SNP are to blame for the position we find ourselves in, not Alba, not Salmond, not the Scottish electorate. The SNP. No one else.

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  22. Divide and conquer. Both sides have issues and now they are being exploited by Salmond who is keen to play the victim and Sturgeons side hanging on.

    Drop them both and move on. Get back to what we all do best, pushing for independence. Leave these two outside the tent looking in.

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  23. I can't be bothered with any part or either side of whatever cult feud there may or may not be. Salmond is currently the leader of a small party with currently 1.5% of the vote. Sturgeon is a backbencher of a party which lost 39 out of 48 MPs in a recent election but still thinks it ran a perfect campaign, and is headed at this rate for annihilation in 2026. See the article in the National about its pre-election manifesto and pathetic member survey.

    Any questions?

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    1. "pre-election manifest" - sorry, I meant conference whatever they call it, bore agenda I think "friends we are the greatest, it's the electorate wot are thick as mince". [10 minutes applause, cheering, kissing and sobbing]. Pass the sick bucket.

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    2. Yes Indyref2.

      The SNP is still strong, still the Scottish government, and Nicola Sturgeon still a key part of its future.

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    3. Remember SNP was only 5% behind Labour. All is good we just need to keep going onwards and keep united and keep voting SNP.

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    4. Anon at 10:34 PM

      Yes the SNP is still strong, but Sturgeon is the past (as is Yousaf), and the SNP needs a future. It's time it evolved and moved on.

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    5. It isn't going to be destroyed, if you think it is then Alba may rise which makes your point just gibberish.

      Get back to the stuff that grew independence voters. We have a very english labour pm, completely against independence.

      Let's wind it up.

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    6. In the GE the SNP went down from 1,242,380 votes to 724,758, from 45.0% to 30.0%.

      As banks might say "Your investment might go up, but it might go down the same as last time".

      Which could put the SNP down to 15.0% constituency and 15% on the region vote in 2026 - if they don't get a grip in their cloth-eared ivory tower - an ivory tower that has been gathering moss since 2007.

      Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down ... oh sorry, that was a 200 year old fairy tale. Let's hope the SNP don't suffer the same fate.

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    7. Yi2 - no one has said the snp ran a perfect campaign nor said so. Sometimes your imagination runs away with you. The independence supporters who stayed at home are probably rethinking their choice.

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    8. Anon at 12:10 AM

      "The independence supporters who stayed at home are probably rethinking their choice."

      So I guess you agree with part of my second comment where I suggested the opening speech might say:

      "friends we are the greatest, it's the electorate wot are thick as mince"

      - the second part, if not the first.

      Have you ever wondered if you are not part of the solution but part of the problem? Remember Johann Lamont?

      "We're not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions"

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    9. Can we please dump the "The SNP is still strong" and "All is good" nonsense.

      It reads the same way as those posts that said "Not only will the SNP win the General Election, I expect them to gain seats!" we had in the lead-up to to vote.

      The head in the sand approach that everything is fine frankly won't cut it. If you want to see the SNP retain power in 2026 you need to cut out those delusions & fast.

      Radical change is needed and if nothing changes and we just press ahead with "all is well, just keep voting SNP" we're going to end up with a unionist First Minister.

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    10. It is about basic justice and holding people who carry out criminal acts to account. The post office scandal is the same. People like yir2 who want to ignore it because it happened in the past are no better than those in the post office scandal. All crimes happen in the past and Sturgeon has a lot to answer for. Nothing to do with feuds/cults.

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    11. Have you ever wondered if you are not part of the solution but part of the problem? Remember Johann Lamont?

      "We're not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions"


      Anyone who actually believes that the SLAB leader would outright state on TV that Scots are subhuman probably *isn't* genetically programmed to etc.

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  24. Anyways, as far as David Davis is concerned, who cares? He's probably looking for another Fringe gig, and it's old allegations to anyone who reads around a bit - 3 or 4 years old.

    The proof is in the pudding. Pass the custard.

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  25. People really need to separate the criminal trial from the civil servants’ complaints and the subsequent inquiry

    The civil servants’ complaints have never been dealt with because of the flawed process but they happened. In the case of the ‘sleepy cuddle’ it was admitted and anyone that knows Salmond knows the other complaints by the civil servants in Lesley Evan’s decision report are likely true

    The civil case brought by Salmond and what Davis was talking about at WM has nothing to do with the criminal case

    Maybe perjury at the inquiry is being investigated but not perjury at the trial.

    Salmond likely put Davis up to this in an attempt to distract from ALBAs poor performance at the GE

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    1. “ Flawed process” - pack it in with your trumpian level lies. It was a criminal process designed by Sturgeon and her team.
      The judge declared it unlawful, unfair and tainted by apparent bias at the time.

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    2. Thankfully the jury who actually HEARD the complainants didn't believe they were 'likely true'. Incidentally, the complainants weren't all civil servants - they included politicians, wives of politicians and special advisers, most of them VERY friendly with Nicola Sturgeon

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    3. This is showing your ignorance
      The ‘sleepy cuddle’ happened.
      And if you read the decision report other incidents that did not go to court but which civil servants complained about happened.

      There has Never been any conclusion to the HR complaints about a boss sexually harassing and bullying behaviour.
      This is due to the process being unlawful and biased. It says nothing about the truth or seriousness of the original complaints.

      We do know he got a married woman, who was working for him, into a bedroom and on a bed then started kissing and cuddling her
      She reported this and he apologised.




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    4. This is a complete mis-representation of the facts. Check your sources before you make ridiculous allegations.

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    5. Anon at 9.04. Are you completely stupid? Read what he says. And if you don’t understand the distinction he makes it’s probably best you follow Mark Twain’s advice.

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    6. If you read the decision report this tosser says. You shouldn’t be reading it because the judge recused the report. In other words the judge said it should never see the light of day anywhere.

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    7. 11:58 How many times are you going to use the Mark Twain comment? Change the record ffs!

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    8. Anon at 1.48 and 4.18. Ta for both proving Twain right. Truth hurts, so your anger is expected. No actual response to the point I see. Post stupid comments and you are getting called out. Away back to Wings. More your level I suspect.

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  26. Sturgeons faction NEED to hold on to power in the SNP because if they don’t they know they risk a new broom holding them to account for their previous activities.

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  27. Endless raking over the cold ashes of the Salmond/Sturgeon self inflicted wounds does nothing to advance our efforts for independence. How many of those who continue to excite themselves with this stuff actually campaign actively for our self determination ? Get a grip and do something constructive !

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    1. Absolutely , get a grip and move on. Is Swinney the man though?

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    2. Yes. John Swinney has hit the ground running. He is able to unite the party and is popular with ordinary people because they perceive him as decent.

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    3. He's running towards a cliff. No one thinks he's anything other than a politician - all this honest John stuff is a fabrication

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    4. Ordinary people like him. He has the common touch.

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    5. If he is running towards a cliff he can find a way up if folk help him. Of course some on here have already begun the diversion, undermining for 2026. Can see on the National too. Individuals who will never get elected to anything claiming that we just need to say Independence and it will happen.

      Move to 2026- Defacto referendum. Engage with the stay at homes and current I didna ken brigade. Labour will drop plenty bloomers in 2 years.

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  28. We can't get rid of Swinney now just weeks after installing him. He's good to go for 2026. If he wins that, he can stay. If he loses, then another suitable person will be found.

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    1. The issue is though is that most people aren't willing to risk losing in 2026. The SNP losing power at Holyrood would have a MASSIVE setback, likely pushing an independence vote back until the mid 2030's at the earliest.

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    2. Unlikely a different leader could unite all factions of the SNP.

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  29. What goes up must come down but what goes down doesn't always come up again.

    This is Labour and the SNP's prognosis for the next 10 years.


    Who's holding the chalice at any one time when these laws of political nature take place is anyone's guess.

    I'm not even sure the talents or otherwise of leaders matters a great deal. See Sarwar and Starmer.

    Events and the zeitgeist.

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    1. Who was the English politician that said: "events , dear boy , events" or something like that ?
      Starmer , of course , didn't win the election the Tories lost it.

      Nevertheless, a decent leader can pull things round - sometimes. But is Swinney the man to give us the best chance of stopping the rot. I am honestly conflicted on this issue
      Chan eil fhios agam idir.

      Alba gu brath.

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    2. Swinney has what it takes I believe - he has the ability to come across to ordinary people as genuine.

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    3. The SNP have dropped in the polls, after the last 2 years in particular their administration at Holyrood has become really unpopular with the electorate. Labour has simple messaging on their side. After 14 years of the Tories and 17 years of the SNP they can just say that they offer change.

      When people are sick of the status quo that simple messaging can really resonate as no one wants to vote to keep things the same when things feel like they're shit and getting worse.

      That's what annoys me with all the posts on this blog implying that everything is fine, all is well, John Swinney has it under control, just keep voting SNP etc. It makes me wonder if these people don't realise just how badly the SNP lost the General Election.

      Alarm bells should be ringing, SNP supporters should be at panic stations demanding reflection on the results, urgent internal party reforms/debates and a massive change in strategy in an attempt to reverse the trend. But instead many seem to just want to stick their head in the sand and pretend that everything is fine, it's frankly bonkers! I'm begging to question if they actually want to lose in 2026.

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    4. 11.51 anon:

      The SNP did *not* lose very badly, lets remember that in FPTP the seat loss is out of proportion to vote share. SNP was just 5 points behind Labour - ENTIRELY recoverable under a good leader like John Swinney undoubtedly is.

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    5. Swinney is no Salmond or Sturgeon.

      Swinney might be a good Leader when times are good but I don't believe he has what it takes when the times are bad. Bold action will need to be taken to reverse the trend but I don't feel he's up to that. He doesn't have that in him.

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    6. We cannot change leader - who else of talent would have the support of all factions in the Holyrood party?

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    7. Guess that only leaves attempts to apply pressure on him. Press for other internal reforms to take place. Things like increasing regular Party member involvement & their ability to influence policy, motions at Conference etc. Don't let up on the need to change the direction the Party is headed in.

      Don't just sit back and believe that he has everything under control, it's not the time to be complacent. Too much is at stake.

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    8. Yes, ok, fair enough. I have confidence that regular party members should be able to get involved.

      John Swinney is actually very popular among the members from what I can see (anecdotal I admit) and I think he is the sort of leader who is up for listening to ordinary members.

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    9. 'Who was the English politician that said: "events , dear boy , events" or something like that ?'

      Reputedly Harold Macmillan, PM in 1957 - 63.

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    10. It wouldn't matter.if Mandela himself was the SNP leader.

      20 years.in.power breeds contempt. Matters little the personalities involved.

      They will go down but whether they come back.again... as long as.they keep relevant they will. How great a resurgence does depend on the leader.

      But they're on a downwards slope until that sea air afresh comes.

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  30. The investigation by the parliament and the investigation by police and the prosecution though are separate matters.

    Even if one was corrupted, the police aren't going to take it forward unless there is some kind of case to answer. And the court even further.

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  31. Although Davis's debate was advertised well in advance, the SNP MPs left the chamber as he started speaking.

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  32. Lord of the SlippersJuly 20, 2024 at 12:04 PM

    Off topic, but it looks like leftist factions and entryism are about to destroy the 'all under one banner' sentiment of Pride in exactly the same way it's destroyed the Yes movement.
    Those who previously felt they were too special to be treated like an ordinary independence supporter and wanted everyone else to adopt their view on trans rights now feel they are too special to be treated like an ordinary Pride supporter and want everyone to adopt their views on Palestinian rights.

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  33. The SNP lost horribly because the public have seen through their lies : independence has now been abandoned in favour of an aggressively authoritarian identity politics based on the sainthood of cross-dressers, paedophiles, and promoting witch hunts against all who object as "hate criminals". The leadership is corrupt, and in a functioning legal system would be in jail by now, but they and their praetorian human shield of pride warriors are still in charge. And the rewriting of history is already under way - there were "errors", and a "failure to communicate", no, it can't have been anything we did ... the public just didn't get it ... we didn't go too far, but not far enough.

    It will take 5 years for the SNP to be completely eliminated, and only then a new, actual, for-real, independence party can arise, but by then it will be too late : the demographic problem of the "white anglo settler" will quash all possibility - these "new scots" are at least 80% for the union, viciously bigoted ethno supremacist, little englanders, the lot of them.



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    1. Snp was only 5 % behind Labour-- can be won back.

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    2. They were previously significantly ahead of Labour. Now they're behind.

      The SNP has been a Party on the decline. In theory it's possible but it's a considerably more difficult task to reverse a trend and shift public opinion.

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    3. Silly demented comment.

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  34. By refusing to follow London rules as advocated by Tories, Nicola saved many tens of thousands of lives in Scotland.

    Fact.

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    1. Scotland had a slightly lower mortality rate (228 per 100,000) compared to England (273 per 100,000), though many factors were at play.

      The Scottish inquiry also highlighted significant failures, such as the mishandling of care home policies, where many residents died due to inadequate protections. The deletion of key government communications on platforms like WhatsApp has also raised concerns about transparency and accountability.

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    2. Nicola did not save anyone - she was a first minister hogging the limelight. The policies Scotland put in place were almost identical to England. All UK nations let their population down. According to the COVID enquiry the only thing that marked Sturgeon out as different was that she was extremely difficult to work with

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    3. Key S G communications were not made on WhatsApp, so how could they be deleted? But you know this already. Your otherwise valid points are discredited.

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    4. "Key S G communications were not made on WhatsApp"

      Says who? How do we now prove that?

      Are we just taking Nicola Sturgeon's word for that because politicians are well known for never telling a lie?

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    5. Nicola said they were deleted and for once I believe her

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    6. Are you on drugs?

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  35. Why isn't the Quizzer Sturgeon in a cell?

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    1. Because she hasn't been charged.

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    2. Nasty folk on this blog full of bile yet fixated over a previous First Minister.

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  36. As for COVID less deaths in Scotland compared to England led by the proven liar Johnson- There were no parties.

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