There's the wider question of whether Alba may have cost the SNP seats indirectly due to depriving the SNP of some of their best and most experienced and committed former activists. That's harder to pin down, but my guess is that if activists were disillusioned enough with the SNP to defect to Alba, in 80% of cases they would have been disillusioned enough to withdraw their active support for the SNP even in the absence of Alba.
So Alba can at least move forward without being burdened with much of the blame for the loss of so many pro-independence MPs. But nevertheless the party still has to grapple with its purpose in life in the wake of a third successive electoral failure. If some commentators are to believed, it doesn't even have one. This is what Robin McAlpine has said -
"The Alba failure in this election is pretty startling. I think this is personified by the fact that the only politician who has taken a high-profile interest in saving the Grangemouth refinery (Kenny McAskill) got beaten in that seat by Eva Comrie, someone who resigned from Alba and stood as an independent. It is now hard to see Alba having any future. I don’t know what the cause is – the public perception of Alex Salmond, the public perception of the party, the fact that it is now the leading climate change denial party in Scotland – but it doesn’t look to me like the party is dying, it looks to be electorally dead."
That can't be dismissed totally out of hand, because Robin McAlpine is of course the author of the Wee Alba Book. I'm not sure on what basis he agreed to do that - perhaps he just saw it as a professional commission, but it's unlikely that he would have taken it on unless he had at least partial sympathy with the Alba cause.
First question: does a party have value if it is "electorally dead"? Probably not. OK, there's an argument that it could function as a glorified pressure group, one that carries more bite by being able to deprive the SNP of a small number of votes. But it's unlikely that's going to shift the dial on independence, so mere continued existence isn't going to cut it for Alba. They would have to actually prove McAlpine and others wrong by winning list seats in 2026.
Second question: can Alba win list seats? Nobody could honestly say that's impossible, because small parties have won list seats out of nowhere before, sometimes with very low shares of the national vote. However, Alba do not benefit in the way that, for example, the SSP did in 1999 with geographic concentration of their vote. Alba's vote seems to be very evenly and thinly spread, and that could very well mean that they'll need something in the region of 5% or 6% of the national vote to win any seats at all. That looks challenging. So far, every time Alba have had contact with the electorate, they've tended to come away with 1.5% to 2% of the vote with a reasonable amount of consistency. What is going to change that unless Alba itself changes?
The good news is that Alba can choose to change. There's no law against it. But I think it's going to have to happen - continuity won't cut it, as the saying goes, and that's now true for Alba every bit as much as it is for the SNP. I'm not going to break a taboo by saying there should be a change of leadership, because I genuinely don't know whether that would help or hinder. Yes, Alex Salmond carries a lot of baggage as far as the public is concerned, but he also gets the party noticed and brings a lot of credibility to the table as a former First Minister. It's possible media coverage of Alba would disappear overnight with a different leader. If Joanna Cherry came across it might be worth taking the risk, but even though she has much less to lose now, the mood music suggests she will not be coming across.
The gap in the electoral market that Alba is trying to colonise seems to be narrower than it initially banked on, which makes it all the more important that as much as possible of the radical, impatient end of the independence movement is united under the same banner. Alba has not given the impression of understanding that in recent months, and instead only seems to want a very niche part of the radical end of the movement. As I've noted a few times, there's been a creeping authoritarianism from the leadership of the "my way or the highway" variety. The problem with a narrow sect is that however total your control over it is, it's not going to get you elected to public office.
I've made no secret of the fact that I've been dismayed by some of what I've seen on the inside of Alba - at times it's been authoritarian politics and machine politics and clique politics at its very worst. Now, I'm not naive - although I never held any elected internal position when I was in the SNP, it was an open secret that much the same sort of stuff went on there. But the difference is that in a party of power it might be felt worth tolerating some of the ugliness. There really is no rationale for tolerating it in a much smaller party without power or without the prospect of power. Alba has to be able to offer an internal culture of democracy and open debate that is clearly superior to the SNP - otherwise, to be blunt, it can't offer anything at all, except to people who just happen to already agree with every word the leadership says.
But even if Alba can improve its culture and become more welcoming, it's probably burnt its bridges with a significant number of people who have already left the party. That may mean that if the radical end of the movement is going to put up a united front at the Holyrood election, there will have to be a loose, multi-polar electoral alliance of which Alba is only one component part. That would also address some of the 'brand' issues that Alba suffers from.
I know the leadership probably don't want to hear that, but they really need to start taking the idea seriously, because it's their best shot of becoming MSPs and actually doing something about independence. Carrying on as before and ending up with 2% of the list vote in 2026 will achieve the square root of nothing.
Alex Salmond made some very clear points about Alba strategy going forward in the last section of the most recent "Scotland Speaks with Alex Salmond -- Chickens are coming home to roost for the SNP" on YouTube.
ReplyDeleteAlex points out in that video that the candidates which ran in 2024 for Westminster now have valuable experience of running for the 2026 election, so that the election just past can be seen as testing the candidates and getting them acquainted with the nuts and bolts of running a campaign.
DeleteAlex is a very seasoned politician and he's doing a retrospective reframing of the strategy in that video. He's making it sound like he was just using the general election as a dress rehearsal to sharpen up the candidates and the campaign teams for the real thing in 2026, and therefore the results didn't really matter. But before the election, and even on the election results programme when he was still saying Alba would retain two deposits, he sounded much more like respectable results were a key part of the strategy because that would build up Alba's credibility.
DeleteIf A S doesn’t bow out Alba are finished. It really is that simple and I suspect James knows this. Even with him gone, there would need to be huge change to turn it into a party rooted in democratic procedure. It’s not happening. For the sake of Indy it should wind up. At present it performs the same function as a political party that WOS performs as a blog. It’s a magnet for the extreme end of the Indy movement that we could well do without. But it provides daily ammunition for the unionist BBS and MSM. Best they just go away.
Delete" That may mean that if the radical end of the movement is going to put up a united front at the Holyrood election, there will have to be a loose, multi-polar electoral alliance of which Alba is only one component part. "
ReplyDeleteStrong disagree. Alba should not do deals with other parties as it tends to dilute brand.
"Diluting the brand" might be positively helpful at this point. The brand seems to be part of the problem, so being part of a wider alliance would neatly square the circle - Alba would continue to exist and have its own identity, but a different brand would be presented to voters.
DeleteRepetition of existing brand seems strong. To come up with new brands seems weak.
DeleteIn other circumstances I would probably agree with you, but sticking with a brand that seems to be putting people off looks more like stubbornness than persistence.
DeleteI am astonished that you believe the Alba brand is in any way a positive. We need a credible list only Independence party for Holyrood 2026, and that pre-supposes the SNP can get its act together enough to get a reasonable number of constituency seats.
DeleteThe problem with a new list party is Alba failed so a new party will have that baggage. I am not sure it would be credible.
DeleteThe Alba brand is Alex Salmond and the voters ain’t buying so something has to be done
A new list only party needs to stress it is not connected with Alba. That is why it’s a new party, and SNP need to informally cooperate.
DeleteAlba is probably a busted flush at this stage. It is very hard to see a set of circumstances that significantly boosts its prospects to the extent that it is a realistic contender for power. They won fewer 2014 Yes voters than Reform UK.
ReplyDeleteI always believed there was a niche there for an SNP-critical political party, but Alba ended up running down a cul-de sac where it’s only defining features were a more hardline Indy strategy, strong views on trans rights and preferring Salmond over Sturgeon.
The political space was always for a pro-independence party with a broadly right wing agenda. 1/3 of Yes voters backed Brexit, and while they lean clearly to the Left of No supporters - they are far from a monolith on all key political issues. Yet absolutely no party is pitched to that space. If Alba had gone there they likely would have stood a chance of survival - but they weren’t willing to.
Alba will need to pick up SNP supporters - that is it's main voter potential. By attacking SNP as "weak on indy" and making far too many concessions to the Labour government they can become more relevant and pick up the part of SNP vote that is strongly pro-indy. This requires techniques to get media attention and they might take a leaf out of Ed Davey's book with eye-catching stunts and set-pieces for the media.
DeleteI agree, Alba will never make any progress until McEleny is contractually required to perform death-defying stunts on a daily basis. Skydiving, crucifixion survival, burial, these are the sort of eye-catching activities he needs to be engaging in.
DeleteAnon at 2.42. I wish this was satire. No wonder the Indy movement is fecked up, with your kind of thinking and strategy.
DeleteI mean the General Election proved that there is a large segment of Yes supporters disillusioned with the SNP.
DeleteThe gap between the 30% the SNP got and independence support hovering around the 50% mark is obvious for anyone to see (and this doesn't even include those who didn't vote). Alba would be wise to go after that segment of the electorate.
The thing is, that gap of 15-20% of Indy supporters the SNP lost to Labour, Reform and other Unionist parties are liable to be those with somewhat weaker attachment to independence - certainly people who are placing it lower down on their list of priorities than they were in the 2010s. These are not people who are going to be attracted by a party beating the drum for an even more radical independence policy.
DeleteWith some regret as a founding member, I left after this past election. MacAskill moving from East Lothian to Grangemouth was an awful idea. Immediately sending out an email asking for money after total failure boiled my piss, frankly. And the lack of internal democracy, given the stories circulating, was the final straw.
ReplyDeleteAnd Salmond needed to stand, in Rutherglen, and somewhere this past election. It doesn't matter that he's tainted, he had profile. Farage lost plenty of times before he won, but he kept powerfully sending his message. Salmond has not succeeded in projecting his as powerfully as he could.
I'm sure there were plenty of calculations about that, around court cases to come etc. But he's known as a gambler, and refused that bet more than once. It hasn't worked. I wish Alba well, but I'll not give them cash any longer.
Alex has said he will lead the party into the 2026 election.
DeleteWell he led them in the past elections, but didn't stand for election in any of them. If you mean he intends to stand, well great, but too little to late as far as I'm concerned.
DeleteHe stated that he would stand. See "Scotland speaks with Alex Salmond - We will sweep away the unionists" -
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOcRnoQypk4&t=936s at 15:30
The above was my comment, forgot to add name. (Anon at 2.40pm)
ReplyDeletePerhaps the required restructure is so great that a full rebrand and relaunch might be needed. A chance to package up previous mistakes and move on.
ReplyDeleteIt depends if the SNP are going to try and hold on to the far left of the party. If they do there's a big chunk of disenfranchised centre right voters that somebody can mop up. Half a million votes up for grabs if nuAlba can get their act together.
The half million are not the right wing element waiting to be hoovered up. I am one of the half million and I am left wing, and I know many others the same. We need a new list only party that is not a repackaged Alba, and has no connection with A S. Sorry to be so blunt.
DeleteIf Salmond hadn't started Alba, he'd be either First Minister again now, or near enough the top of the SNP that he'd be able to do what's necessary to fix it. Equally, if he'd waited till *now* to announce it, and had built more of the infrastructure leading to that announcement, he'd be in with a shout.
ReplyDeleteBut he didn't. He rushed it, which was a rare miscalculation for him. But then he does love a gamble.
Alba have multiple problems. The biggest is that the people active on its behalf are too fractious to form a disciplined & coherent party.
Apart from Alec & Kenny and a handful of selected others, it's basically the former 'bam' wing of the SNP. A lot of folk who are profoundly un-charismatic, belligerent or - if their online interactions are anything to go by - mentally-ill. They're as likely to repel undecided people from independence as sway them to it.
Where Alba *is* smart, intelligent & measured online, it's invariably drowned out by the bams. You can't have message discipline with folk who will just as likely post anti-Semitic conspiracy theories as your new policy for the NHS.
If Salmond is intent on keeping the project going, he has to figure out how to fix this.
If you're suggesting Alba needs to become even *more* authoritarian, I can only disagree strongly.
DeleteI agree with the original post though.
DeleteThere is too much snp "nonce" party , "snp are unionists" type posts.
Not from Salmond and McAskill, they have wits. But there are cringers surrounding the party.
Basically Alba needed to win seats in the last Scots parliament but some of the candidates let the side down (Alex Arthur etc al), far too much focus on trans issues making them look obsessed and a thorough hatchet job on the leaders reputation.
If they'd managed to squeeze a few seats, that would have given them the credibility and permitted sympathisers to take the leap and vote for them.
Anon at 2.44. Agree with a lot of what you say, but I think the Alba brand is terminally tainted by the bags and by A S. We need a new list only party. Where it comes from and who leads it is another question. I do not have an answer.
DeleteNote: Salmond didn't start Alba. It was formed and then Alex was asked if he wanted to become the leader which he accepted.
DeleteThat's an interpretation rather thsn a fact, and it's not a particularly plausible interpretation. More likely is that Salmond got a friend to set the party up quietly so it was ready and waiting and fully registered with the Electoral Commission. If he'd done it himself, his name would have been on the registration and it would have been all over the media long before the official launch.
DeleteIt is the sequence of events that happened. Your theory that he got a friend to set up the party is just your opinion with no basis in fact.
DeleteSo is your interpretation that he didn't. But your interpretation is the less plausible of the two.
DeleteAs I previously suggested in another post the only way forward as I can see it is for the small independent parties to merge to gather enough votes to reach the 5%/ 6% barrier in the Holyrood elections. However, the we hate the snp stance and their previous FM’s will not persuade snp voters to give it the 2nd vote any new party requires.
ReplyDeleteSo New Caledonia party where are you?
Off topic but Riddoch on her podcast says a joint leadership of M Black and S Flynn would renew and refresh SNP.
ReplyDeleteI just don't get the Mhairi Black thing at all. Her hair looks like it needs a good wash everytime I see her and her charisma doesn't charm the bits of scotland we need.
DeleteI think Riddoch believes Mhairi Black would bring a fresh approach, which Swinney does not offer.
DeleteIs the idea that Black would be leader and Flynn would be deputy? Wouldn't work - people do like Mhairi Black but I'm not sure they regard her as leadership material. Neither of them are in Holyrood anyway, so it wouldn't realy be feasible anytime soon.
DeleteAnyone who thinks Mhairi "drag queen storytime" Black is the answer hasn't understood the problem.
DeleteAnon at 6.19.Feck off back down your hole.
DeleteAnon 6:39 You sound like a real Mhairi Black fan - no class and foul mouthed.
DeleteBlack would appeal to the columnists of the National which is about 20 people at a guess. A total disaster for the SNP.
DeleteAnon at 9.22. Irony, satire? Thought not. Jog on and take your daft pal yesindyref 2 with you.
DeleteAnon a 9.22. Better than being a really stupid lowlife homophobe. Back under your rock.
DeleteWhat's homophobic about saying Black has no class and is foul mouthed? Just not able to deny that's true?
DeleteFreedoms... read fiefdoms! Predictive text doesn't like Scots apparently!
ReplyDeleteNot sure how my post over merging the minor independence parties merited being removed but maybe it is one solution worth considering
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't removed. It's still there, as you can quite clearly see for yourself. However, for future reference please note that running commentaries on my moderation decisions (the real ones) will be deleted.
DeleteFair comment.. Thought it had been removed. Apologies
DeleteThe SNP and mainstream media have discredited Salmond to the point where it’s hard to see a way back.
ReplyDeleteThough many of us enjoy his commentary and the prospect of him leading Alba to a place in Holyrood, the masses see to have his card marked, like sheep.
I voted Alba on July 4th, but the results were catastrophically bad. I’ll still vote for them on the list in 2 years but I can’t see much progress by then.
Sadly it seems nationalists haven’t twigged how crucial a role a party like Alba would be in delivering Independence. The ‘both votes SNP dafties’ need to see some sense…
it's because most yes voters aren't real yes. It's a low priority for them (they say they'd vote yes in a referendum that's never coming). The SNP allow them to be the nawbags that they actually are by pretending to vote for independence.
DeleteThere's nothing wrong with Alba's strategy other than say employing part of the resistance strategy that say Sinn Fein and its parallel body used when they replaced the frauds in the Irish Parliamentary Party.
De Steph
DeleteClearly there is something wrong with Alba’s strategy when they lose every deposit and average 1.5% After 3 years
They are going backwards
my name is De Stefah not De Steph. The reason why they do shite is because the electorate isn't real yes. They are fake. Real yes is about 2%-3% of the population max. That's the hard core vote who hates britain, knows scotland is a colony etc. and hates fake snp. they already vote for alba. The rest don't care and are nawbags.
DeleteYour name pales into insignificance upon reading your posts. Seek help de Stefah.
DeleteBit off topic, but not seen a “Redfield & Wilton” poll for a while.
ReplyDeleteWonder if this is to do with the Tories' finances, and they can’t afford to fund polls now.
Just a thought.
Were the Tories R&W's only paying client?
DeleteI believe so, yes.
DeleteThey are effectively an arm of the Tory party.
DeleteThat’s three elections HR, LA and WM with derisory votes of less than 2% in each.
ReplyDelete1.5% is awful and no matter the spin Robin MacAlpine is likely correct Alba is electorally dead.
Maybe if Joanna Cherry joined Alba but Salmond is probably the barrier to other politicians joining because they know Salmond is dictatorial and Tasmina is the only person he listens to. And Tasmina won’t give up that place
Internal squabbles and purges with so many activists leaving or being forced out has gone too far and those people are unlikely to return.
In Dundee 7 out of 8 LA candidates in 2022 have left Alba. All 8 members of the Equalities Team who wrote many Alba policies have left.
If the idea is the candidates were learning how to campaign then I’m astonished. Shouting at people through loudspeakers. Empty street stalls, posters against lampposts because there is no activists to hold them just looks sad.
And the idea that many of these candidates will get top of the list in 2026 is so naive. They were canon fodder and Salmond will decide the list places
Salmond said he wanted to ‘professionalise’ the party - code for only nodding dogs and Salmond fans need apply. There are not enough to make a party
And Salmond’s huge problem is he’s been left with a lot of careerists and they must realise there is no career in Alba so they will be off.
There is absolutely no chance of Salmond being deposed - the rules make it very difficult - the returning officer is McEleny.
Nor will he go willingly as Alba provides expenses for his travel, staff and a platform. He will stay in the hope something turns up and he gets elected on the North East List
If he gets elected in NE Scotland that would at least be a success chalked on the board.
DeleteIt’s very unlikely Salmond will be elected on the list the average vote in GE in the NE region was 1.8%
DeleteAberdeen North included part of Salmond’s old constituency of Gordon was 1.7% so no love for Salmond there.
He says he intends to stand in Banff and Buchan coast in 2026 but I can’t see him doing at all well and don’t see how Alba can go from 1.8% to 5-6% in the next two years with Salmond in charge
Alba needs a new leader if Salmond cared about independence he’d stand down
A S. The most unpopular politician in Scotland. Seems a really good idea to have him leading a party. Perhaps if he could lead a unionist party it might help us out? Asking for a friend. The level of cognitive dissonance form Alba supporters on here is truly astonishing. We really are fecked.
ReplyDeleteA.S. = Anas Sarwar
DeleteIn 2026 Alex Salmond will fail to be elected, again, on the north east Scotland list.
DeleteMeanwhile, Anas Sarwar will be elected first minister.
Both of these things—Alba’s continued failure and the SNP’s—are almost guaranteed without tremendous change.
Anon at 10.16. Funny in your head? Take Mark Twains advice.
DeleteTake my advice and change the record with the Mark Twain quote.
DeleteIn Ireland internal discipline would ensure that vehicles for removing the Brits weren't hijacked like the SNP have been. That internal discipline ranged from banishment, to kneecapping or assassination. The SNP is to all extent a unionist party, the chief responsiblity for doing is Sturgeon. In Ireland they would understand the need to deter future leaders of the party doing the same thing.....
ReplyDeleteaye we believe you! What tosh. Destefahnoaclue
DeleteDe Stefah. You seem to know little about Ireland and Sinn Féin which is a pity given how often you mention them.
DeleteAlba members received an email which blamed the media for Alba doing badly. This is obviously the official explanation.
ReplyDeleteBut Alba are on the media plenty and have columns in the National. They have slots on Debate Night and Question Time I am not sure that holds
So James your idea that Salmond should stay because it gets Alba publicity doesn’t really make sense as the publicity doesn’t seem to bring votes. In fact Salmond may be a negative as he is very unpopular
Polling has always shown his unpopularity with women even when he was leader and FM that has likely got worse
It was obvious from the pictures Alba have few activists with the same people in multiple photo ops across all the seats.
Alba did not have the capacity to mount a local ground campaign that is because activists have left because of Salmond’s behaviour nothing to do with the media
DRJIM trying a new less headbanger approach to slagging off Alba and Salmond.
DeleteIt may be that Alba is electorally dead, but then again it might not. People talk a lot about Salmond's unpopularity but that might change depending upon the outcome of the court cases this year. Similarly, depending on branchform others popularity might fall. Nothing to be gained at this point in wrapping it up - wait and see what happens over the next year. One thing, someone raised the point by inference that Salmond should have rejoined the SNP but if you recall Sturgeon wouldn't allow it. Cherry said he should be allowed to rejoin but to no avail. I think the SNP themselves may become electorally more successful again, but the high achieving days are over, I think in terms of independence and integrity they are not trustworthy. In my opinion I'd prefer a new party that could compete with them - what movement puts all it's eggs in one basket? Sein Fein and SDLP have similar aims - we need a political climate up here that includes wider representation. We have PR up here smaller parties keep the political discourse vibrant - ideological difference is almost absent in the UK now - Scotland doesn't have to follow suit. We mustn't be afraid not to vote SNP as they would have no need to persuade us to give them our vote. That's what's happened and we're no nearer independence after ten years. We need another party on our side to keep the discourse vibrant
ReplyDeleteEven if the court case happens I can’t see it doing Salmond any good in fact it is likely to make it worse. As they will be able to rehash the bullying and sleepy cuddles
DeleteThere was no bullying - and sleepy cuddles were consensual. The issue will be perjury.
DeleteI note the discussion of brand value & JC switching party. Presumably there comes a tipping point when Alba has more activists than the SNP? If/when that happens, can anyone see a mechanism where member switching en-masse could reclaim the SNP, using its current internal processes? Otherwise it'll need to wait until the administrator auctions the assets!
ReplyDeleteAlba doesn’t have more activists than the SNP. Most of their activists have left. The campaign pictures were of the same people in different locations
DeleteDoes anyone have any idea of Alba membership?
I know people who resigned months ago are still getting emails so probably still counted
Its membership will be in the low hundreds.
DeleteThe Westminster election as we know is a First Past the Post election. This has consequences in that the primary driver for most voters was to get the Tories out.
ReplyDeleteAccordingly voters voted two ways. One way was to move to support Labour. The other was to stick with the SNP.
That the FPTP system favours a two party system the majority of voters split between SNP and Labour.
So, in truth there was no way a new Alba party could make progress. But not so when PR is involved.
And so, when a more Scotland United approach can be taken the voting dynamics will change dramatically.
Well that was a wasted post. Maybe, possibly, mechanism, coup d'état, sarcasm and back to where you started. No wonder 1 1/2% seems the best
ReplyDeleteEh?
DeleteIgneous parmitur vol au vents si si rider, would you say Rodders?
DeleteChan eil fhios agam idir.
DeleteBen McPherson who is one of the SNP's rising stars said on Debate Night that the SNP should review strategy. He said that the emphasis should be on good government and attracting people who believe in devolution. He did not seem to favour a de facto. He was challenged by Kevin McKenna quite vigorously but held his own in the debate. He seemed well educated, to have a lot of intellectual capacity and presentational strength, and it made me wonder if he has leadership ambitions? It is worth noting that he did not serve under Humza which made me wonder if he was in Kate's faction?
ReplyDeleteKevin McKenna said the SNP need a clear out. He was unhappy about their adherence to trans ideology, the GRR, Hate Crime Act, etc.
DeleteKevin McKenna is a self-publicist who seems more Labour than SNP sometimes - I am not sure his advice is worth noting.
DeleteWrong Kevin McKenna is his own person. However if he moves back to Labour that is only one person.
DeleteMcPherson a classic example of an SNP devolutionist. People like him will never deliver independence.
DeleteMcKenna writes for a living. He writes what he is paid to write. He is not a genuine supporter of Indy.
DeleteThe National have apologised for their front page.
ReplyDeleteWhy?
DeletePresumably because their owners have told them to.
DeleteInteresting story emerging about how Humza Yousaf is being investigated for breaking the ministerial code and how Edinburgh fund sent £250,000 donation to Gaza whereupon the day after Humza's parents in law were given safe passage out of Gaza to Eygpt.
ReplyDeleteGaza and all that is happening is a harrowing situation. Over one and a half million displaced, tens of not a couple of hundred thousand dead, a quarter of all homes damaged or demolished, essential services like water, gas, electrity cut off - but at least for the El Nakla family they managed to get out. Great for them, truly great, and maybe they just happened to be lucky where others were not.
Humza does not deserve this type of post. His position on Gaza deserves credit as does the SNP.
DeleteStory? Who is pushing that story? Contemptible wee man. Away back to WOS.
DeleteThere's definitely a problem for the alternative pro-indy parties out there.
ReplyDeleteThe Greens antics when they were removed from Government and the admission that independence isn't a red line for them (implication being they would prop up a Labour Government at Holyrood) will put off a lot of voters. Rightly or wrongly Alba carries a lot of baggage and unfortunately Salmond hasn't been able to repair his reputation, hopefully that changes in the future but it's not looking likely to happen anytime soon.
Then we've got ISP who you would be forgiven for forgetting actually exist as excluding X/Twitter they have been virtually invisible. Even the graphics they put out on Twitter look very amateurish, it would take a lot of work for them to firstly get themselves noticed and then to be taken seriously.
Also unless they have name recognition and a very strong profile in the constituency they're standing the Independents for Independence effort is destined for failure. Building up a new independent from scratch without a Party backing will take multiple election cycles if it's even possible.
DeleteIt is best for all pro-indy voters to vote SNP otherwise the vote will be split.
DeleteIPS are a nonentity. Supported by IFS. Need say no more.
DeleteIf the Greens deprioritise indy Harper their former leader (who is a nice person) may be pleased.
DeleteAnon @ 12:24 PM
DeleteThe SNP have lost support for a reason though, polls and the General Election result prove that they have a serious problem.
Just saying all pro-indy voters should vote SNP isn't not enough, they need to address the root problem as to why Yes voters have stopped voting for them.
The SNP got almost all pro indy votes, however.
DeleteAnon @ 2:00 PM
DeleteThe SNP got 30% of the vote in the General Election (on a reduced turnout), Yes support is hovering between 45-50%.
So the SNP most certainly didn't get all pro-indy votes.
Anon 2.41: SNP got nearly all the votes that were cast for pro-indy parties.
DeleteBut isn't it an issue that at least 15-20% of Yes supporters (more if you account for the lower turnout) didn't vote for the SNP?
DeleteIf the SNP had the support of all pro-indy supporters they'd have won the election comfortably. The fact that they didn't suggests they have a problem.
Probably the SNP can win them back once people are tired of Labour.
Delete2:46 and 2:53 Did the kicking of July 4th even happen for you?
Delete2:57 - of course.
DeleteWhat’s needed is a “Yes” branded coalition to stand on the list with one manifesto committment, Independence. It would be nice to think the SNP would also stand as a Yes brand in the constituency seats but I suspect the gravy train and their delusion that it will continue will prevent that. If it doesn’t happen we can kiss goodbye to Independence, SNP manana strategy has come to the end of the road more so if Labour in Scotland move to the left of England and adopt all current Holyrood policies.
ReplyDeleteWhy would SNP do this when there is very negligible support for other indy parties?
Deletehasn't Salmond been on a gravy train with his acolytes since 2014? Still I believe there is a vacancy coming up in Cymru for a FM
Delete"What’s needed is a “Yes” branded coalition to stand on the list with one manifesto committment, Independence."
DeleteSNP will stand on the list as SNP.
Anon@1:49 What gravy train is that?
DeleteIn which case you can guarantee a Unionist majority in Holyrood under Labour control.
DeleteOK, subjecting the Alba website to my main page reverse order article test:
ReplyDelete8. "Saturday, 29 June 2024 Armed Forces Day" Good
7. "Monday, 01 July 2024 Read Now: ALBA Party Pensions Paper" Very good
6. "Monday, 01 July 2024: Alex Salmond Launches a Manifesto for Scotland" Grand - but I never watch pods, life's too short, give me the transcript
5. "Wednesday, 03 July 2024 Alba Party’s Ash Regan calls on Starmer and Swinney to implement Cass Review" - this is actually OK as Regan left the SNP over this general issue.
4. "Thursday, 04 July 2024 "Glasgow City Council must get round the table and sort out this mess before jobs are lost" - ALBA's Jim Eadie" - not OK, doesn't say what mess, and it's almost cetainly a square go at the SNP and Greens who should NOT be the enemy.
3. "Friday, 05 July 2024 Scottish Politics Requires Realignment - Salmond" - I read the article and it's OK actually
2. "Tuesday, 09 July 2024 Ash Regan MSP: How did Scotland as a nation arrive at this point of disillusionment?" Mmm, title dubious. Article - mostly fine, apart from this: "but will the SNP reflect?" to which my instant response would be "Mind your own business". She is a member of another party, and the Greens were intensely annoying with their interferences in the SNP - like putting the balk on Forbes as leader. Mind your own business to the Greens, too.
1. "Thursday, 11 July 2024 “MILIBAND POLITICAL POSTURING COULD COST TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SKILLED JOBS” - SALMOND" - totally the correct target - the enemy. Keep it up.
just to reiterate or regurgitate - I am not a member of any party.
DeleteYir2 you are a bit of a plonker. Political parties are not allowed to comment on the actions of other political parties says this plonker. Maybe on planet yir2 this is the situation but on planet earth political parties attack each other all the time.
DeleteYou attack the snp and ignore the unionists. What anonepercenter
DeleteAlba has no future under Alex Salmond, and as for Joanna Cherry she might as well be walking around ringing a bell and shouting unclean
ReplyDeleteDRJim knows all about being unclean. He is a WGD poster.
DeleteIsn't there a case for the Greens costing the SNP the seat in Glasgow North, Glasgow South, Edinburgh East and Musselburgh, Dumfries & Galloway & Stirling and Strathallan?
ReplyDeleteThe Greens are a completely different political tradition. Their votes do not belong to the SNP.
DeleteThe Greens stood in a record number of Constituencies (41 I believe) knowing full well that they wouldn't come close to winning any of them... and they knew how important the election was to their former Government partners.
DeleteGreens have no reason whatsoever to look out for their former government partners.
DeleteCertainty not independence, that's for sure.
Delete"Isn't there a case for the Greens costing the SNP the seat in Glasgow North, Glasgow South, Edinburgh East and Musselburgh, Dumfries & Galloway & Stirling and Strathallan?"
DeleteI'm slightly concerned you didn't read the blogpost you're commenting on, because I mentioned Dumfries & Galloway. A case could be made for Stirling & Strathallan as well, but not really for the others.
More people voted Tory in Dumfries and Galloway than voted Alba in the whole of Scotland!
ReplyDeleteMaybe time for Salmond to throw in the towel.
What’s your problem Mr Britnat. If alba are rubbish why are you wanting Salmond to throw in the towel.
DeleteHe is past it and lost his nerve to stand in an election. Time moves on and he hasn’t quite understood that it seems.
DeleteAlba were the only main party that campaigned for independence at GE.
ReplyDeleteSNP are devolutionists.
Alba must survive and continue.
Rubbish. The voters decided you are now the onepercenters
DeleteWhat's the matter with being a one percenter? At least he or she votes for a reason not for a brand.
DeleteThe only matter Alba supporters on this forum talk about is their hatred of the SNP. Not the healthiest of reasons to vote for something.
DeleteBut this blog isn't alba and everyone here is anonymous. The only thing SNP voters talk about on here is Alba splitting the vote
DeleteThis blog is a member of Alba and sits on a number of Alba committees.
DeleteHow can a blog sit on a committee? James is the committee member, not the blog.
DeleteAlba, the party where an NEC member and other office holders raised concerns of voting rigging and Alex Salmond intervened to decree the "rigged" election's voting figures should be kept secret - for the spurious reason that candidates might be embarrassed. Anybody that is easily embarrassed wouldn't be a member of such a corrupt party. A pretend republican party ruled over by the King of England's oath man, Alex Salmond.
ReplyDelete...is this from an SNPite or a Labourite? If you want to see corruption have look at your own...
DeleteNo. I am an ex-Alba founding member who was expelled from the party, without a fair hearing, my formal application for appeal ignored.
DeleteI could write an article detailing my experience of being a victim of Alba's abuses of power but, as Alba has already been all destroyed by Alex Salmond's ego, what's the point?
Fair enough
DeleteWhy were you expelled? Did they give you a reason?
Delete"I am writing to let you know about the outcome of the Disciplinary Hearing into your alleged breach of the Member Code of Conduct. The Disciplinary Committee have determined that you have contravened the Alba Party Code of Conduct, namely that you acted in a manner deemed to injure the party as set out in 3.3 of Annex E – Member Code of Conduct. The Disciplinary Committee have determined that you shall be expelled from the Party. You have the right to appeal this decision to the Party's Appeals Committee. You may exercise that right by intimating your desire to do so in writing to the General Secretary within 21 days, setting out the reasons for your appeal."
DeleteThat's as much as I was told. I appealed, as I was not even allowed to participate in the hearing, as I was given no log in details for the online hearing. Completely unfair. So, I appealed. My appeal did not receive a response from Alba.
Chris McEleny and Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh control who is referred to the disciplinary committee.
So how does anyone complain about them when the Constitution says they control the disciplinary process?
What can ordinary members do if the leadership breaches the constitution? Ordinary members are basically powerless according to the party's constitution. All they can do is speak out and get thrown out the party - or resign.
Alba has been an absolute disaster, simply a way to destroy the SNP by former members whose childish arrogance had them spitting the dummy out in case it was "Nicola's" independence and not Alex's or Kenny's or Ash's or Tasmina's independence that history accepted.
DeleteAlba is tearing itself apart and its sole purpose, before it does so, is to destroy the SNP.
Every supporter of Scottish independence should see it for what it is!
The Unionists must love you!
DeleteSee how easy it is to divide the Scottish independence movement?
"What's the matter with being a one percenter?"
ReplyDeleteAre you serious????