As you probably saw yesterday, Nicola Sturgeon "slapped down" Jeremy Hunt (to use official Express terminology) and told him that the people of Scotland, rather than random Tory leadership candidates, will decide their own country's future. Hunt's riposte was -
"Yes the Scottish people will decide. In poll after poll they’re telling you no to indyref2. So I won’t give in to your grandstanding."
Which is as much as to say: "Yes, Nicola, the Scottish people will decide, and I will be the sole arbiter of what they have decided, and regardless of what they say my adjudication will be that they have said No. Hope this helps." But there's also another little problem (OK, massive problem) with Hunt's claim that "poll after poll" has shown that the Scottish people are opposed to an independence referendum. The problem is simply that the claim is untrue.
The most recent published poll on independence was conducted roughly one month ago by Panelbase. A total of 513 respondents agreed that there should be an early independence referendum, either "while the UK is negotiating to leave the EU" or "when the UK has finished negotiating to leave the EU". 508 respondents said there should not be a referendum in the next few years. In percentage terms, that means 50.2% of the population support an early indyref, and 49.8% are opposed. Have a look at the datasets for yourself if you don't believe me, Jeremy. You'll find them HERE.
But even if Hunt's basic claim wasn't such an obvious falsehood, there would still be something deeply troubling about the way he and other senior Tories seem to want to make opinion polls an integral part of the British constitution. Whatever happened to the pre-election mantra of Tory leaders down the ages: "The only poll that matters is on election day"? If Jeremy Hunt had his way, the new rule would be "we don't need to hold an election because I've just seen a YouGov poll". It wouldn't be so bad if there was the slightest reason to believe that opinion polls can be relied upon to estimate public opinion with an exceptionally high level of accuracy, but we know that's not the case from multiple recent examples. Polling actually seems to be somewhat less reliable than it was a few decades ago (probably due to the demise of the landline phone).
Meanwhile, Hunt's three "tests" for being willing to consider a Section 30 order are as barking mad as might have been predicted. Firstly, he agrees with this week's incarnation of Ruth Davidson that the SNP would have to win a single-party overall majority at Holyrood before a referendum would be a possibility. I can't think of another parliamentary democracy anywhere in the world in which two parties who win a majority between them are not allowed to implement a policy they agree upon. During the Tory-Lib Dem coalition years, you didn't hear John Bercow saying -
"The Ayes to the right, 327. The Noes to the left, 308. But as the Ayes include both Conservative and Liberal Democrat members, the vote is not valid. So the Noes have it. Aw-daaah, unlock."
Secondly, Hunt wants the SNP to run their currency position past him. That's a bit like saying the opposition party will only be allowed to contest an election if the government has given the green light to its manifesto. Hunt's Britain sounds like it would be a bit of a tinpot affair.
And thirdly, he wants Nicola Sturgeon to rule out a "wildcat vote" (sic), which is a bit of a circular argument, because if the Section 30 order was forthcoming, there'd be no conceivable need for a "wildcat vote" (sic), would there?
You know, it's amazing: before Ruth Davidson won her stunning victories in the 2016 and 2017 elections by coming a very distant second to the SNP, the complaint from both the Tories and the mainstream media used to be that Scotland had become a "one-party state". And yet the one sure-fire effect of the Hunt/Davidson insistence that the SNP need a single-party majority will be to deter independence supporters from flirting with smaller pro-indy parties on the Holyrood list vote. If the Tories want to restore the "one-party state", they're going absolutely the right way about it.
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Losing the will to live over this.
ReplyDeleteWake me up when it's all over or when the shit hits the fan.
Cannae come soon enough for me.
Minds me of the comment some years ago by Matthew Paris that England could lose control of Scotland.
Oot o the mooths o bams and bairns eh? He just forgot to spin it.
The mask slipped that's all.
You could say he made a Jeremy Hunt of it.
Refreshing honesty from a jaded title:
ReplyDeleteHerald editorial ($): ‘PM Boris Johnson spells disaster for Davidson‘
“Ms Davidson has cut a confused and uncertain figure this year, changing her position backwards and forwards on Brexit...
She also seems powerless to rein in the excesses of the Scottish Tory contingent at Westminster who have come to be universally regarded as a collection of infants let loose on a museum with no parental guidance... their minimal contribution to the life of the current parliament means that most of them are destined to lose their seats at the next election. We know it and so do they.
With Boris Johnson as her boss Ms Davidson’s recent travails will increase. For the last two years she has enjoyed a good press from fawning political reporters who forgot their default position ought to be one where they keep a safe distance from politicians and retain a sense of healthy cynicism. At times it seems that the Scottish Tory leader is being interviewed by puppies.
... The problem for Ms Davidson is that he gives the impression not that he is disdainful of Scotland but that he doesn’t give a fig for anything that happens up here at all... He... longs for an uncomplicated, 18th century version of old England unencumbered by whingeing and grievance-obsessed Scots. When the next independence campaign starts Ms Davidson may find that her biggest problem will be devising a strategy to keep Boris Johnson’s presence in Scotland to a bare minimum.”
Of course, Hunt was actually SLAPPED DOWN!
ReplyDeleteThe capitalisation of course being vital as I am sure you know, young James!
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Q1. In your view, should the Scottish government or the UK government have the final say on the following issues?
ReplyDeleteDeciding if there should be a second independence referendum
58% The Scottish Government
42% The UK government
https://www.survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Progress-Scotland-Poll-Tables.xlsx
Nuff said.
Theresa May had no electoral mandate to trigger independence by invoking article 50.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Charlene Tilton has been told.
DeleteOne of your best's James, I particularly liked the last Paragraph. Now when we were getting all the so called experts and studiers of the voting system used for Holyrood about how good it would be to give the party vote (not really a second vote) to the Greens or SSP, when some of us were saying we had to still vote SNP on that "second vote" or we would get "Fubar(ed)" and lo and behold got turned over by al of those know-alls.
ReplyDeleteThink it could be time for the SNP to consider splitting in two in the run up to the next Holyrood election.
ReplyDeleteOne party which only stands candidates as potential constituency MSPs and another which only contests the regional list seats.
We could blame it on one of the so-called civil wars we keep being told we're having.
Lets face it, if the 'other side' aren't playing fair then why should we?
Lol. Not this fantasy again
DeleteMassive false 2014 referendum recall in Survation's latest Scottish poll.
ReplyDeleteFor the initially targeted demographic sample, Holyrood recall is quite close, with EUref not far away, but 54% saying they voted Yes, causing big down-weighting of Yes voters once fully weighted.
I've noted this before; it's the biggest I've seen yet. It will mean Yes is higher than polls are suggesting. It's likely No voter regret; the obvious candidates being by that almost voted Yes, but panicked and voted No on the day.
I'm Hilary Twiskett, built like a biscuit.
DeleteAnd I'm voting for Matt Hancock for leader.
Way hay yay. Back the Matt!
Boris is rabidly racist towards Scots too; we're not white English mind. 'A pound spent in Croydon...'
ReplyDeletehttps://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-ban-scottish-people-from-being-prime-minister-2019-6?r=US&IR=T
Boris Johnson said Scottish people should not be allowed to be prime minister
It's funny. I mention this in relation to EVEL and I'm shot down by unionists even though it is very much how many English Tories feel. For them, Brit-Scots only rank slightly higher than 'mick/paddy scum' because they're more stupidly compliant.
Such a wealth of choice quotes to put in the papers on election/referendum materials. Boris as PM is handing the end of the union to Scots nats on a velvet cushion accompanied by full fanfare.
DeleteHe really would be the gift that keeps giving.
This one's great.
Deletehttps://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-published-poem-friendly-fire-james-michie-extermination-of-scottish-people-2019-6?r=US&IR=T
Boris Johnson published a poem joking about the 'extermination' of the 'verminous' Scottish people
The union is so, so fucked if he makes PM.
And if he doesn't, the Union may survive? It's unusual to hear you sounding so pessimistic.
DeleteIt's got a slightly better chance if he doesn't, that's for sure.
DeleteSkier you are sinkin intae a mire of desperation with your comments. You clearly know we are leaving the EU and Scotland will remain in the Great British Union. Now go an seek counselling before you go an top yerself. Your drivel would be missed.
DeleteThey're not my comments. They're from Boris Johnson.
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