Tonight brings word of YouGov's first full-scale Scottish poll since Theresa May called the snap general election, and it provides tremendous reassurance on the independence question. After two consecutive YouGov polls that have had the Yes camp below the 45% achieved in the 2014 referendum, something approaching normal service has been resumed.
Should Scotland be an independent country?
Yes 45% (+2)
No 55% (-2)
As ever, it's worth bearing in mind that YouGov probably haven't interviewed 16 and 17 year olds, so even assuming their methodology is otherwise sound, the 45% for Yes could conceivably be a slight underestimate.
We've now had five different polling firms report on independence in April, and four of them have shown some sort of movement towards Yes (although it was only a trivial 0.1% swing in the case of Survation). The increase is so small in each poll that the pattern may just be coincidence, but the important thing is that there is absolutely no corroboration for the Kantar/TNS findings suggesting there has been a dramatic drop in the Yes vote. That poll sticks out like a sore thumb to an even greater extent now.
With depressing predictability, a heavy dose of spin is being applied to the YouGov poll tonight by unionist propagandists in the mainstream media - a graphic has been put out with the title "Losing Ground". It's quite true that the No side appears to be losing ground, but I suspect that's not what they meant. I'm sure it makes some kind of weird sense in their own heads.
Admittedly, there is less good news on Westminster voting intentions, where the SNP have slipped to an unusually low 41%. However, the Tories have failed to make the type of breakthrough suggested by Panelbase recently, leaving Nicola Sturgeon's party still holding a commanding lead.
Westminster voting intention (YouGov) :
SNP 41%
Conservatives 28%
Labour 18%
Liberal Democrats 7%
Greens 3%
UKIP 2%
That's quite an odd set of numbers, because other polls have implied that the SNP are basically losing support direct to the Tories, but YouGov seem to be suggesting that some of the support has gone elsewhere. If you'd told me in advance that the SNP were going to be as low as 41%, I would have expected the Tories to be in the thirties. At the end of the day, the lead of the first-placed party over the second-placed party is the most important thing in any first-past-the-post election, so we can draw considerable comfort from the 13% gap - and also from the 3% support for the Greens, some of which may find its way to the SNP by polling day (partly for tactical reasons, and partly because the Greens won't be standing in all constituencies).
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SCOT GOES POP POLL OF POLLS
Should Scotland be an independent country?
Yes 46.0% (+0.3)
No 54.0% (-0.3)
(The Poll of Polls on independence is based on a rolling average of the most recent poll from each firm that has reported at least once within the last three months. The firms included in the current sample are Panelbase, BMG, Ipsos-Mori, YouGov, Kantar/TNS and Survation.)
Westminster voting intentions :
SNP 42.8% (-0.8)
Conservatives 29.3% (-1.1)
Labour 16.5% (+1.2)
Liberal Democrats 7.0% (n/c)
(The Poll of Polls for Westminster voting intentions uses the Scottish subsamples from all GB-wide polls that have been conducted entirely within the last seven days and for which datasets have been provided, and also all full-scale Scottish polls that have been conducted at least partly within the last seven days. Full-scale polls are given ten times the weighting of subsamples.)
Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe
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Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe Feb 26
I was in 2005 Tory campaign - we worked assiduously to ramp up anti immigrant feeling.
Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe Feb 26
And from Brown on nobody challenged lies that immigrants took jobs, were here on benefits etc.
bad enough for an immigrant,child of an immigrant or second generation immigrant to discover the stark truth in black and white about the scum that is the tory party..but to then actually work for this kind of filth and devote time to getting them elected??..the abject humiliation and shame..god almighty!..it doesn't bear thinking about
DeleteMatt Turner @MattTurner4L Apr 21
DeleteFormer British Ambassador points out Theresa May’s election platform is identical to the BNP’s in 2005 http://evolvepolitics.com/ambassador-theresa-may-manifesto-bnp/ …
(on the Times trying to proclaim with a straight face that if 1 in 4 voters went tory that would prove all scots welcome their presence and tory nirvana would ensue in scotland)
ReplyDeleteWings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 1 hour ago
Winning post positioned at 25%.
(The same level which for Corbyn is an apocalyptic disaster.)
Wings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 1h
ReplyDeleteTimes poll predicts spectacular election victory for the Tories. [SUB PLEASE CHECK] pic.twitter.com/fRYF92tE4D
i can see how the polls probably reflect levels of support for the parties as answers to a survey question. But their accuracy stops there in terms of actual voting
ReplyDeleteT his is because of how the best organised parties (certainly the SNP and somehow also the Tories) identify and then get out their own voters.
Perhaps the pollsters should weight according to strength of party activism! A motivated vote is worth a lot more than a disgruntled supporter who can't be arsed getting to the polling station...
They do weight by voter enthusiasm.
DeleteI remember the days when labours dominance was backed up by the mantra that "only a vote for labour can stop the Tories"
ReplyDeleteThe SNP needs to play the same card.. protecting Scotland from the forthcoming hardline Tory government.
Right now we have tactical unionist voting enabling a Tory revival, often by people voting against their own interests,
The SNP fall the the low 40s is quite concerning, and from what I can see its more from people moving to undecided than moving to Tory (leave voters maybe). Maybe when the time comes some of those people will move back over to the SNP, and and there will also be a small Green vote to squeeze as well.
ReplyDeleteThe campaign by the Tories lately is for people to vote tactically in their favour but I have a feeling there could be tactical voting to keep them out.
ReplyDeleteHi James you say the polls do not include 16/17 year olds. Do you know if they include EU Nationals? Remember in a Scottish referendum both will be allowed to vote. That is almost 250,000 votes which I suspect would be 80% for independence.
ReplyDeleteTory vote already beginning to slide.
ReplyDeleteSurge in the whole anti-indyref but as time goes on, people start to think about it weighed up against the actual tories they are projected to vote for and well, they conclude that if there is another indyref, they can just vote no.
But given May a mandate to do whatever she wants, with a hard brexit and more austerity...might just be too much for them.
Labour will not get 18% so some of that will go to the SNP. The Tories will get 22% and I stand by that. The week before the election we will know where we stand. Ruth is toxic and so are the Tories. Unless we are saying that 28% of Scotland is total hard right wing nuttters? That is a scary thought.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I am way off with my thinking but I would have thought that increases in the Yes support would be tracked by increases in support for SNP and Indy supporting parties. Thus we have polls that clearly contradict that supposition.
ReplyDeleteSo in other words we have more polls that are weighted lies. They are polls designed to manipulate and thus not inform. It is all about the Brit Nat Press and Media narrative again.
Or your tinfoil hat is on too tight again.
DeleteSNP 41% + Green 3% = 44%
Yes = 46%
Hardly a massive difference.
Besides, not everyone is so obsessed with independence that it rules their entire voting strategy.
DeleteI'm left of centre. I'm not greatly interested in separation, but my council ballot will still rank the SNP higher than the Tories.
Mhairi Hunter @MhairiHunter 3 hours ago
ReplyDeleteFeeling pretty strong and stable today, might go to an empty warehouse and talk to some shelves.
Definitely not to be watched by tories or spread far and wide.
ReplyDeletehttps://munguin.wordpress.com/2017/04/28/did-i-really-say-that/
James, in your poll of polls could you clarify what your plus and minus figures are comparing to? The last poll of polls? I am not sure giving these plus or minus figures is valid, because the changes between polls of polls come from individual polls coming in to or going out of the calculation, but which individual polls are not comparable to each other having different methodologies etc.
ReplyDeleteCould you add a ride stating what the plus and minus figures compare to, and adding that they are just for fun?
Yes, the percentage changes are always measured from the previous update of the Poll of Polls.
DeleteVoting for Tories in Scotland is a vote for
ReplyDeletePension Cuts
Tuition Fees
End to Free Social Care
NHS Privatisation
Charges for Prescriptions
So don't be daft
James, do you subscribe to the YouGov polls all rigged by Tories position.
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't think YouGov rig their polls. However, I do think they have an attitude problem, which sometimes affects their methodology.
DeleteI've seen a few happy Tories - gaining Moray etc - but whilst these polls definitely do show a decline in support for the SNP, what they fail to do is take in local factors and YouGov do not poll by regional area.
ReplyDeleteSo, whilst there is a chance that the Tories will win seats in Scotland. The East Renfrewshire seat going Tory in my opinion looks suspect, it'll be a three-way battle with McDougall standing for Labour.
West Abdn/Kincardine - this was a Lib Dem seat until 2015. It went Tory in Holyrood but within different boundaries. If you are a pro European/UK Lib Dem? Are you seriously going to back to the Tories and their hard Brexit especially when your party has a chance itself of taking the seat back?
P.S Is Carlotta Vance on PB, our Aldo?
P.P.S If so, do you not have a life, Aldo? Posting every few hours on PB.
you have compare to apples with apples not apples with oranges
Deletecomparing one GE poll in scot. to previous Holyrood polling will never tell you much
those are completely different voting systems
as you said boundaries also make a big difference
the most relevant period for comparison is before the last GE in scot. where all the polling ended up underestimating the SNP vote
Yes it is. It Let it slip in the middle of an unhinged rant and didn't even notice
DeleteSo, support for independence stalled and the SNP sliding back. Its not looking good for separatism.
ReplyDeleteNo, Kevin, I do not post on PB.
The troll 'Aldo' / Carlotta Vance calls scottish people "morbidly obese, dangerously unfit and nicotine stained." Described opponents of the Tory Rape Clause as "spaz" "chav" "loser" and "autistic". Spouts vile abuse about mental heath involving the mothers of posters on here and generally behaves like a tory ned.
Delete"Support for independence stalled."
DeleteAldo-speak to English translation : "Support for independence has increased by 2%."
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DeleteTimes poll predicts spectacular election victory for the Tories. [SUB PLEASE CHECK] pic.twitter.com/fRYF92tE4D
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Chris ColtraneVerified account @chris_coltrane 4 hours ago
DeleteIf you voted Labour but are now voting for the most authoritarian, far-right-wing Prime Minister of your life, maybe take a look at yourself
Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe
ReplyDeleteCEO, @brexitanalytics Former Tory National and International Security Policy Adviser. Columnist for ConservativeHome @conhome
Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe Feb 26
I was in 2005 Tory campaign - we worked assiduously to ramp up anti immigrant feeling.
Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe Feb 26
And from Brown on nobody challenged lies that immigrants took jobs, were here on benefits
Matt Turner @MattTurner4L Apr 21
DeleteFormer British Ambassador points out Theresa May’s election platform is identical to the BNP’s in 2005
http://evolvepolitics.com/ambassador-theresa-may-manifesto-bnp/
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expectations tory vote hopefully falls 1st hurdle
ReplyDeletefair bit of time before the westmisnter elecs.
Deletesufficient time for May hiding from the public to backfire
sufficient time for the tory election fraud to explode
sufficient time for the far-right in the tory party to make their demands known to May over the hardest of Brexits
Voting for Tories in Scotland is a vote for
ReplyDeletePension Cuts
Tuition Fees
End to Free Social Care
NHS Privatisation
Charges for Prescriptions
So don't be daft
These polls are fascinating. Tory+Lab+Lib+UKIP generally now equals the no to indy percentage and SNP+Green gives the yes percentage. This would seem to suggest that the era of unionists voting SNP to get left wing government or to send a message to Westminster is over.
ReplyDeleteThe tory troll 'Aldo' / Carlotta Vance calls scottish people "morbidly obese, dangerously unfit and nicotine stained." Described opponents of the Tory Rape Clause as "spaz" "chav" "loser" and "autistic". Spouts vile abuse about mental heath involving the mothers of posters on here and generally behaves like a tory ned.
Delete(on the Times trying to proclaim with a straight face that if 1 in 4 voters went tory that would prove all scots welcome their presence and tory nirvana would ensue in scotland)
DeleteWings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 1 hour ago
Winning post positioned at 25%.
(The same level which for Corbyn is an apocalyptic disaster.)
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"The undecideds and the bottlers will put it in the back of the net for 'remain'. I'm sure Cameron also has a few tricks up his sleeve to deploy in the dying days of the campaign."
Delete- 'Aldo'
Wings Over Scotland @WingsScotland 2 hours ago
ReplyDeleteHow the Scottish Tories' latest election leaflet reveals far more than they ever meant it to:
https://wingsoverscotland.com/another-accidental-truth/
Now, “the SNP should try to improve schools and grow the economy, and we’ll oppose them every step of the way” initially sounds like a comedy misprint. Except the thing is, it’s what the Tories actually do.
John Harris @johnharris1969 23h
ReplyDeleteComplete bastards. No other word.
John Harris Retweeted Karen Buck
Karen Buck@KarenPBuckMP
Homelessness already deeply traumatic. Now Westminster Council want £12pw per box of possessions in storage- or contents will be destroyed
The more subsidies you Jokes get the more you want. At least show some appreciation to the English and their charity towards you.
DeleteThe more subsidies you Jokes get the more you want. At least show some appreciation to the English and their charity towards you.
DeleteThe troll calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, arbitrary deportations and public mutilations, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial, homophobic and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a perverted poisonous obsession with Scotland's First Minister & her predecessor
DeleteMichael CrickVerified account @MichaelLCrick Apr 26
ReplyDeleteIn effect, new MPs are being elected day by day now, as, amid huge secrecy, small cabals of party bigwigs pick candidates for safe seats
You Nat si English hating fascists have tried every trick in the book with your propoganda lies and yet you are behind in the polls.....
ReplyDeleteI note even the Tim Brigade for independence are wearing their green and white Yes badges. Well who would expect the bum bhoys to wear blue and white!
You Nat si English hating fascists have tried every trick in the book with your propoganda lies and yet you are behind in the polls.....
DeleteI note even the Tim Brigade for independence are wearing their green and white Yes badges. Well who would expect the bum bhoys to wear blue and white!
John Harris @johnharris1969 23h
DeleteComplete bastards. No other word.
John Harris Retweeted Karen Buck
Karen Buck@KarenPBuckMP
Homelessness already deeply traumatic. Now Westminster Council want £12pw per box of possessions in storage- or contents will be destroyed
Michael CrickVerified account @MichaelLCrick Apr 26
ReplyDeleteIn effect, new MPs are being elected day by day now, as, amid huge secrecy, small cabals of party bigwigs pick candidates for safe seats
Just had a call from Survation. Questions were pretty standard.
ReplyDeleteWhere are you?
Age?
Who did you vote in 2015?
Who did you vote in 2016 constituency?
Who did you vote in 2016 list?
Did you vote leave or remain?
Did you vote Yes or No?
How likely are you to vote in the next UK election(1-10)?
Who will you vote for?
How likely would you be to vote in indyref2(1-10)?
How will you vote?
Did you vote in the last council elections?
How likely are you to vote in these ones?
Who will be your first preference?
Who will be your second preference?
What kind of housing are you in?(renting/owning/family)
Employment status?(unemployed/part time/full time...)
Public or private sector?
What is the job of the chief earner in household?
well they don't have long at all till the councils and the GE is weeks after that so expect heavy polling from here on in
Deletethere'll be plenty of private polling too for that matter
You have some memory to remember that lot. Do you want a job at Cheltenham?
DeleteYou have some memory to remember that lot. Do you want a job at Cheltenham?
DeleteThe troll calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, arbitrary deportations and public mutilations, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial, homophobic and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a perverted poisonous obsession with Scotland's First Minister & her predecessor
DeletePhilip Collins @PCollinsTimes 8 hours ago
ReplyDeleteI am usually a strong defender of politics but this empty, choreographed, stale, boring Tory campaign essentially implies we are all idiots.
Paul Lewis @paullewismoney 6 hours ago
ReplyDeleteGovt delays unpopular statement on raising state pension age despite Pensions Act 2014 s.27(2) "report must be published before 7 May 2017"
More terrorist acts and planning going on everday in the UK and Knickerless and her fash mob want tens of thousands of the fascists to enter Scotland.
ReplyDeleteThe troll 'GWC2' / Fitalass calls scottish people "jocks", advocates arming Leave campaigners, arbitrary deportations and public mutilations, claimed Jo Cox's husband was a fascist, uses racial, homophobic and ethnic slurs, pretends to be Labour (badly) while espousing far-right racist hate-speech, praises Theresa May and the tories and displays a perverted poisonous obsession with Scotland's First Minister & her predecessor
DeleteGarvan Walshe @garvanwalshe
DeleteCEO, @brexitanalytics Former Tory National and International Security Policy Adviser. Columnist for ConservativeHome @conhome
Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe Feb 26
I was in 2005 Tory campaign - we worked assiduously to ramp up anti immigrant feeling.
Garvan Walshe @garvanwalshe Feb 26
And from Brown on nobody challenged lies that immigrants took jobs, were here on benefits etc.
Roger Anderson @Rog_Anderson 12 hours ago
DeleteAnd 3 packages containing suspected *anthrax* are sent to SNP offices with notes saying "Get SNP out, Tories in".
They are already here quine. We call them Tories and Naw Bags like yourself.
DeleteBorrheid Bam @EatMyMeatPete 54m
ReplyDeleteThere is a disturbing undercurrent to this mince about "divisiveness". And that undercurrent is intrinsically fascist and anti-democratic.
Jock Nat si fascists seem obcessed with rape. The Nazis liked rape. Is there a similarity.
ReplyDeleteJock Nat si fascists seem obcessed with rape. The Nazis liked rape. Is there a similarity.
DeleteRuth Patrick @ruthpatrick0 4 hours ago
DeleteListening to #bbcaq as @ProfTomkins (to boos) attempts to defend the indefensible on the rape clause: 'it's only a 4 page form'
Michael CrickVerified account @MichaelLCrick Apr 26
DeleteIn effect, new MPs are being elected day by day now, as, amid huge secrecy, small cabals of party bigwigs pick candidates for safe seats
Same tory establishment and bigwigs which supported Cameron, Osborne and put May where she is for those who still don't get it. Purging some of the Brexit headbangers and clearing the way for a new broom after May gets made the fall guy for the oncoming Brexit catastrophe. Such a shame after she's impressed everyone with her 'unique' approach to campaigning like a fart in a trance. ;o)
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Voting for Tories in Scotland is a vote for
ReplyDeletePension Cuts
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So don't be daft
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ReplyDeleteRuth Davidson facing investigation for campaigning from her Scottish Parliament office.