Labour's risible 51-page "Clypegate" dossier is available to read, even though it was supposed to be embargoed until tomorrow. Three things leap out at me -
1) The clear implication is that the SNP are directly responsible for any ordinary members who say offensive things on Twitter, and that those members should be disciplined or expelled.
2) A startlingly large proportion of what Labour are offended by is the use of the words "traitor" and "Quisling". But there is no way on Earth that those words are any more offensive than the senior Labour activist Ian Smart repeatedly describing the SNP as Nazis and "fascist scum". Indeed, the equivalence between "Quisling" on the one hand and "Nazi" or "fascist scum" on the other is pretty blindingly obvious. Smart also, of course, used a deeply offensive racist term to refer to Pakistani people.
3) None of the people featured in the dossier are, as far as I can see, anything like as senior within the SNP as Ian Smart is within the Scottish Labour party.
Now there's not necessarily any hypocrisy here on Labour's part, as long as appropriate action is taken against Ian Smart and others like him. Smart is, as we know, under administrative suspension while an investigation takes place. But here's the snag - not long after his suspension, Smart boasted on Twitter that the whole thing was "nonsense", and added "watch this space". That strongly implies that he's been tipped the wink that the party is just going through the motions and that no action will be taken against him.
If that was Labour's intention, it's no longer tenable. Either Smart will have to go, or they haven't got a leg to stand on with this Clypegate drivel.
I am appalled to find my name is on this list just for using the word traitor in context with a tweet i put up about WM & BT fear campaign of broken promises & vow
ReplyDeleteAnyone with their name on scottish Labour's Dodgy Dossier has a pretty good case for action since we are dealing with the usual idiots in SLAB who never seem to have a clue what they are doing while they are doing it.
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I'm appalled to find I'm NOT on the list when amongst other I frequently posted pictures of Margaret Curran in a compromising position atop a Trident rocket. And called the bit part actress and rabid anti-SNP Labour supporter Frances Barbour a 'dickhead'.
DeleteThe best and likely surest way to get on scottish Labour's Dodgy Dossier is to call Blair McDougal a fatty.
DeleteThere is simply no way back after that flagrant disregard for humanity and unforgivable abuse.
It would be sad indeed if those vile cybernats took it upon themselves to ask him about the eternal mystery of the disappearing pies. Again and again and again and again.
Incidently, more info for those seeking redress for Labour's truly epic fuckwittery.
"Alistair Davidson @moh_kohn 28 minutes ago
Caught by #clypegate How to make a Data Protection complaint http://wp.me/p1hlC8-e3"
P.S. it would appear even the comment verification system on James site is an evil Cybernat as it decided to quiz me on delicious cakes when I made that last post.
DeleteOh, WE ALL KNOW what you are getting at all right, you heartless insidious web program. Why don't you just replace all those images with delicious Pies and pictures of Blair McDougal and ask us to choose between them!! :-P
Calling somebody a Nazi is calling them a Nazi.
ReplyDeleteCalling somebody a Quisling is stating that they are a traitor who sold out their country for political power. Not remotely equivalent.
Goebbels Brownshirt the fife Quisling betrayed his country. At least the country he sometimes claimed to be from. You can't actually be a traitor to North Britain since it doesn't exist.
Vidkun Quisling was a fascist as well as a traitor.
DeleteThat, he may have been. But that doesn't equate the word quisling with fascism or nazism. It's meaning has transcended that. Check out the Oxford dictionary to see what I mean.
DeleteIf I speak of someone as, 'a guy', I don't mean he's a catholic terrorist who might blow up the houses of parliament.
I'm aware of how the word quisling is used. But everyone who uses it is equally aware of who Quisling was, and of the historical context. The relevance of that to the words "Nazi" and "fascist" are, I would hope, obvious.
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ReplyDeleteTwitter crimez of the evil Cybernatz exposed!
http://bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk/index.php/city-news/951-twitter-crimez-of-the-evil-cybernatz-exposed.html
I have been under the distinct impression for quite a while that Ian Smart has considerable leverage in SLAB. In other words, he knows the dirt of the party in Scotland, and that is why they have been so slow to take action against him. The only other explanation is that those at the top of SLAB genuinely do think the SNP are Nazis/fascists.
ReplyDelete" he knows the dirt of the party in Scotland"
DeleteFurther complicated not just by the Brown Blair wars, which never really ended, buy by a split in the managerial process between, broadly, Glasgow and Edinburgh as well as taking orders from Westminster. Since both are leaderless right now you get to factor in those contests and even more plotting and corruption behind the scenes. Much like we saw with Falkirk.
So there's quite a bit of mutually assured destruction that holds some of them back but behind the scenes you can bet the power struggle is raging furiously right now and producing language every bit as strong as that used in Scottish Labour's Dodgy Dossier.
Labour in my view is/will be happy that Ian Smart continue his vile abuse of SNP et al. Because in the tiny political minds of Labour, and against all evidence to the contrary, abusing the SNP helps its political cause in Scotland. Labour is still stuck in the McTernan political mind set that if you attack an anvil often enough with a panel pin hammer you will eventually damage the anvil. Some hopes!
ReplyDeleteBut surely even the mainstream media are going to notice at some point that you can't simultaneously attack Cybernats AND have Ian Smart in your party?
DeleteJames, maybe you should read Wings Twitter, particularly the new tweets about Alan Roden, and who he corresponds with.... A certain prominent unionist supporter on social media is also featured.
DeleteJamesK How many years is it now that Smart has been doing it? And MSM has reported nothing. Mind you this latest fiasco by Labour might just upset that applecart.
DeleteMuttley Could you expand that. I read Wings' tweets and haven't seen anything extraordinary.
@James Coleman
DeleteI was thinking about this one:
Oh look, it's @AlanRoden punting Nat-bashing articles to a couple of the nastier Unionist trolls in the business:
There is also some shocking tweets ones about Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP in general, including these charming ones:
Snp Fascists Have Created a Fascist Alliance With Russia.Putin Seeks To Build Greater Russia,Firstly Needs bitch Sturgeon To Scrap Tridant!
and this:
Nicola Sturgeon the new Adolf Hitler. Egotistical bitch allegedly.
and even this:
Is it time for a Kennedy type ending to the SCOTTISH bitch Nicola Sturgeon.
Which begs the question, how did Blair McDougall and the rest of the MSM miss all this hateful abuse?
Haven't seen that lot. Mind you timelines vary. Thanks.
DeleteWas that a reply to my post above?
DeleteWhat a disappointment that was. I'd been looking forward to some elaborate death threats, but it's just folk saying "traitor" and "bitch" over and over again. They should be expelled from the party for their unimaginative vocabulary more than anything.
ReplyDeleteThey had to trawl back 3 years to find less then 200 Tweets from SNP members that were offensive enough in their eyes to pass onto the press. The real story of course is SLab's creepy attitude to political commentary and use of the gutter press to attack individuals for political engagement.
ReplyDeleteRead Wings' dissection of the 'dossier'. There are now only about 50, yes 50! tweets that could be classed as abusive, and only mildly abusive, like you say.
DeleteI don't use twitter but do any of you think it would be an idea to let the people know how to raise a DPA complaint? Their details are in the dossier.
ReplyDeleteI think I have found the reason for this Smear campaign being launched at this time; http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/26/cps-decision-not-to-prosecute-lord-janner-to-be-overturned?CMP=share_btn_fb
ReplyDeleteAlan Roden follows Ian Smart on Twitter and as late as this afternoon was still doing so.
ReplyDeleteI smell hypocrisy.
I am still waiting to be bayonetted by Field Marshall Davidsons Legions. Getting invited to Glasgow by a Brit Nat on FB for a good kicking doesn't quite have the same glorious end attached to it.
ReplyDeleteI am fuming that I didn't make their list.
I'm just wondering who in Labour thought this was a good idea.
ReplyDeleteAh Marcia, there you have it. Putting Labour and thought in the same sentence.
ReplyDeleteWhat is it it about the Tuba Player and pies? no one mentions the sausage rolls. according to the chant they also vanished. (Wunner who et thum).
On WOS Tim Turner has written an excellent article with regard to the Data Protection Act and Labour's risky publication of its pathetic dossier.
ReplyDeleteI've had to delete a comment, not because it called Blair McDougall fat, but because it used the most extreme swear-word. I try to keep this a completely open forum, but I'd be grateful if everybody could use a bit of common sense.
ReplyDeleteIt's not so much who in Labour thought up this idea, but who allowed it to go through, who didn't challenge, who wasn't allowed to challenge.
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