Ever since then, I've used the term "Archie Stirling poll question" when someone about to set up a political party cynically uses that type of question to give the false impression that the party will be wildly popular. The classic example, of course, was the controversial and increasingly far-right Somerset blogger "Stew", who asked an almost identical question to Stirling's (and got similar results) when he was toying with the idea of setting up a Wings Party. And he knew exactly what he was doing, because several people had warned him in advance that he needed to ask a more credible question, and explained why that was so important.
YouGov may have found an elegant way of squaring the circle with the prospective new Jeremy Corbyn / Zarah Sultana left-wing party, though. They've asked respondents whether they would consider voting for the party, but they've also asked the same question about all the other established GB-wide parties, thus allowing what might be a more meaningful comparison to be made.
Percentage who will consider voting for each party (YouGov, 6th-7th July 2025):
Labour 30%
Liberal Democrats 28%
Greens 28%
Reform UK 28%
Conservatives 24%
Corbyn 18%
If you apply that sort of differential to the current polls, it's at least imaginable that a Corbyn party could start off with 8-10% of the vote.
Assuming people answered the question honestly, Labour's absolute maximum vote at the moment is 30%, which I've tended to assume would not be enough to win an election for them, because the right-wing vote will consolidate behind Reform or the Tories. But as you can see, the supposed maximum vote for either Reform or the Tories is actually slightly below 30%, implying there are a lot of Reform voters who hate the Tories and vice versa.
However, even if the right-wing vote does give an assist to Starmer by remaining helpfully split, Labour still stand to suffer far more from a Corbyn party than their main opponents. As many as 31% of Labour voters from last year's general election say they will consider voting for Corbyn's outfit, compared with only 2% of Tory voters. If Labour do slip any further in the polls, they could end up in third or fourth place with less than 20% of the vote.
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Corbyn will be 80 by the next GE.
ReplyDeleteDonald Trump is 79 right now.
DeleteBut unlike Trump, Corbyn won't be up against somebody who is even older.
DeleteKamala Harris is 60.
Delete...or fundamentally useless!
DeleteIt sounds like leading a new party came as unexpected and pretty unwelcome news to Jeremy Corbyn. But I suppose the Corbyn Party is a major improvement on the Sultana Party (policy: Dried grapes).
ReplyDeleteStew did set up a Wings party, after consultation he and Alex called it Alba
ReplyDeleteEven independence supporters who are not at all leftish should try not to be dismissive of a Corbyn/Sultana party. It is quite possible that they still have enough about them to mean it when they say that they support Scotland's right to choose self determination.
ReplyDeleteIf we got to that stage some of them would vote for it and some against probably. The reason roughly being that while they are democrats they are not keen on "nationalism" in it's usual pretty poisonous forms.
This is why socially inclusive policies, and clear space between us and the blood and soil, tartan fascist, bams is so important.
Support for a successful 'democratic event' is out there if we approach the question sensibly and recognise partial allies for what they are.
"It is quite possible that they still have enough about them to mean it when they say that they support Scotland's right to choose self determination."
DeleteNobody chooses self determination!
Self determination IS the right to choose.
The biggest obstacle to a pro indy Corbyn party in Scotland will be the SNP who have ruthlessly protected their Yes monopoly (and then done sweet FA with it).
DeleteSelf determination is a basic right. When that right is denied you know you live in a colony.
DeleteCorby wants that right for everybody except Wales and Scotland. Most English see Scotland and Wales as their possession
and think England gives them to much money.
Ant Clut, says:
Delete"The reason roughly being that while they are democrats they are not keen on "nationalism" in it's usual pretty poisonous forms.
This is why socially inclusive policies, and clear space between us and the blood and soil, tartan fascist, bams is so important."
So states a person with a throroughly colonised mind. A person that thinks the way the British wants them to think. And, therefore, a person who can't think for themselves.
Surprised Campbell would use a Gaelic name for his new party.
ReplyDeleteHi James, there’s an interesting article in the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/13/most-people-in-france-germany-italy-and-spain-would-support-uk-rejoining-eu-poll-finds) reporting on the YouGov EuroTrack survey of Europeans’ views on the UK rejoining the EU. The most interesting part for me was tucked away in the final paragraph:
ReplyDelete“The survey also found that large majorities in all five continental countries (63-75%) would support an independent Scotland joining the EU.”
The breakout numbers for that question on an Indy Scotland rejoining the EU are here: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Eurotrack_UKEU_Jun25_w.pdf
DeleteThe support/oppose/don’t know (net support) numbers are as follows:
GB 46/32/22 (+14)
France 63/13/23 (+50)
Germany 68/10/22 (+58)
Denmark 75/6/18 (+69)
Spain 65/13/22 (+52)
Italy 64/11/26 (+53)
Quite staggering numbers! It seems we have a lot of good friends in the EU! It’s also worth noting that except for GB all of the countries have strongly oppose values of only 6% or less, so there’s virtually no strong opposition to an Indy Scotland returning to the EU in those countries.