Friday, February 2, 2024

SNP lead holds steady in new Survation poll - and independence support continues to ride high

There's a new full-scale Scottish poll out from Survation, which contains numbers that would have looked disastrous for the SNP a few months ago.  However, in the context of changing expectations that have moved more and more in Labour's favour, and in particular in the context of the recent Norstat poll giving Labour an outright - albeit slender - lead, it's probably fair to say the SNP will be mightily relieved to find themselves still ahead with Survation.  Indeed, nothing much seems to have changed since the last Survation poll in August, which can be interpreted as a minor win for the SNP given how Labour have piled on massive GB-wide leads since then, and especially since Christmas.

Scottish voting intentions for the UK general election (Survation / True North, 23rd-25th January 2024):

SNP 36% (-1)
Labour 34% (-1)
Conservatives 16% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 8% (+2)

Seats projection (with changes from 2019 general election): SNP 23 (-25), Labour 23 (+22), Conservatives 6 (-), Liberal Democrats 5 (+1)

So the SNP remain firmly in the game, and it's still conceivable they could emerge against the odds as the largest party in Scotland in terms of both votes and seats, and if they're really lucky perhaps even cling on to their status as third largest party in the Commons ahead of the Liberal Democrats.  It's equally conceivable, though, that they could drop back a few more points over the course of the campaign, be punished by the magnifying effect of first-past-the-post, and suffer a near-extinction event that could leave them with as few as two seats.  For my money, to be truly competitive they'll need to recover to having some sort of cushion over Labour before Sunak calls the election, because the official campaign period could be very difficult for them due to saturation coverage of the UK-wide Labour v Tory horserace.

Should Scotland be an independent country?

Yes 48% (-)
No 52% (-)

This continues the pattern we've seen for almost a full year now, with independence support becoming decoupled from SNP support, and with the Yes vote thus proving largely immune to the SNP's troubles.  Significant numbers of pro-independence voters have drifted to Labour, but in most cases they haven't given up on independence in the process.

There is an impressive number of meaty supplementary questions in this poll, some on matters that are rarely asked about, and some with rather startling results.  Donald Trump would be horrified to discover the remarkable level of support for onshore wind farms among the Scottish public - 60% are in favour and only 15% are opposed.  On the other hand, I'm slightly horrified that there seems to be a narrow plurality in favour of new nuclear power stations, although I'm wondering if that's an artificial result due to the tortuous way the question was posed.  Repondents were asked if they support the Scottish Government's opposition to nuclear new-build, which not only confusingly asks about support for a negative, but also potentially mixes the whole matter up with people's feelings about the Yousaf administration.  But for what it's worth, only 32% 'support the opposition' to new nuclear, while 38% take the opposite view.

The poll once again offers evidence for the partial truth of that famous scene in Yes, Minister, in which Sir Humphrey explains to Bernard that it's possible for pollsters to produce completely opposite results on the same topic by framing the question in different ways.  By a whopping margin of 58% to 21%, respondents agree that the UK government were right to grant new oil and gas licences.  But when the same sample is instead asked about the Scottish Government's strategy presuming against new oil and gas, suddenly there's a split down the middle, with 32% agreeing with the presumption against oil and gas, and 35% disagreeing.

It's often lazily stated that Alex Salmond is the most unpopular political leader in Scotland, even though he's actually very rarely asked about in polls.  This poll is one of those very rare exceptions...

Net ratings of leading politicians:

Anas Sarwar (Labour): -4
Keir Starmer (Labour): -7
Richard Tice (Reform UK): -9
Stephen Flynn (SNP): -12
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Liberal Democrats): -13
Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats): -17
Patrick Harvie (Greens): -20
Lorna Slater (Greens): -21
Humza Yousaf (SNP): -22
Douglas Ross (Conservatives): -23
Rishi Sunak (Conservatives): -45
Alex Salmond (Alba): -46

So it turns out to be true that Mr Salmond is the least popular, but only just, and the gap between him and some of his sternest critics is not as huge as they would like you to believe.  And as I always point out, it doesn't necessarily follow that his unpopularity means Alba would be doing better with a different leader.  For a small party the biggest battle is getting noticed and the biggest danger is being ignored, and having a huge name like Mr Salmond as leader ensures that Alba make headlines in ways they would not otherwise do.

For an established party like the SNP, though, the equation is very different.  The fact that Yousaf is markedly less popular than both Starmer and Sarwar suggests the SNP are unnecessarily putting themselves at a disadvantage against Labour at the general election.  They could potentially reverse the problem by installing Kate Forbes as leader.

Rest assured that Richard Tice's seemingly not-too-bad rating is completely meaningless - it's caused by the fact that a disproportionate number of Scottish voters simply haven't heard of the man.

Incidentally, it looks like Neale Hanvey and Ash Regan were also asked about in the poll, but annoyingly I can't find their ratings in the data tables.  If anyone has more luck than I've had, please let me know.

If Kate Forbes does become First Minister this year, which is certainly a very real possibility after the general election if not before, the first thing she is likely to do is end the coalition with the Greens.  At face value, the poll supports the notion that she would be sensible to do so, with 41% opposing the SNP-Green deal and only 28% supporting it.  However, it's obviously important to see what SNP voters think, and again, I haven't yet been able to find those figures in the data tables.

Ms Forbes is by quite some distance the number one choice in this poll to replace Mr Yousaf, although just over half of respondents are unable or unwilling to express a view.

Preferences for next leader of the SNP:

Kate Forbes: 19%
Stephen Flynn: 7%
Angus Robertson: 5%
Mairi McAllan: 4%
Neil Gray: 3%
Keith Brown: 3%
Shona Robison: 2%

What leaps out here is how poorly Angus Robertson is polling in comparison to Kate Forbes, even though the two are probably roughly as well known as each other.  That could be a major problem for Mr Robertson if he does throw his hat in the ring this time.  Mairi McAllan has been punted as the other potential 'continuity candidate', and she's polling even worse than Mr Robertson, although at least she has the alibi of being much less well known at this stage than he is.

There are also Holyrood voting intention numbers in the poll...

Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

SNP 35% (-4) 
Labour 31% (-3)
Conservatives 16% (-) 
Liberal Democrats 8% (-)

Scottish Parliament regional list ballot:

SNP 31% (+1)
Labour 29% (-1)
Conservatives 16% (+1)
Greens 9% (-)
Liberal Democrats 9% (-)

Seats projection: SNP 44 (-20), Labour 41 (+19), Conservatives 22 (-9), Liberal Democrats 12 (+8), Greens 10 (+2)

Although the seats projection looks grim, arguably the popular vote figures are not too bad for the SNP in the context of the current lowered expectations.  They've lost support on the constituency ballot but that's been almost entirely offset by a similar drop for Labour - and surprisingly they've reopened a small lead on the list, having been level with Labour in the last Survation poll.

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50 comments:

  1. I think the SNP can take some comfort in that the polls appear to have stopped getting worse. Watching Kate Forbes on QT last night though, I can’t help but think what might have been. I’m sure if she was leader things would certainly be better. It would appear to be too late now to change leader before the GE, so it’s just going to be damage limitation then surely a change of leader after the election.

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    1. It's definitely not too late to change leader. They probably won't do it because they're thinking in factional terms rather than about the party's best interests, but there's still time to change leader and there are plenty of precedents for a successful late switch.

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    2. I agree whereas the Conservatives have changed leader twice in this parliament, the SNP have only done so once, and hence they have the ability to change again without it being more than the Conservatives have done.

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    3. Agree that Kate Forbes was excellent on BBC Question Time. It is very good that the SNP have the option of selecting Kate Forbes as the next leader.

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    4. If Yousaf doesn't resign (which he won't do this side of an election), can he be challenged?

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  2. Encouraging to see the SNP still ahead of Labour in this poll.

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  3. Did you see Kate Forbes' face when the leadership election result was announced though? She was delighted. And rightly so. A small baby to look after and a criminal investigation and a civil case against the party. The time to lead the SNP is after any prosecutions arising from Branchform / Salmond's legal action against Scottish Government. It's just frustrating the process is taking so long.

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    1. Craig P so if she didn't want to be leader then why did she stand for election?

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    2. She was delighted to have done very well. Humza made a gracious speech. The whole leadership election was important.

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    3. Aren't you supposed to still be parroting the line about Humza growing into the rôle? Did they put something different in your feed?

      That contest was a joke. I bet they try to pull a fast one next time as well, and our pal Shug will be the Chosen One offered to the members.

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    4. Humza made a gracious speech then promptly demoted her and gave her job to one of Nicola's drones.😆

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    5. I think people need a wee reminder that the SNP didn't follow their own standing rules re the leadership election but instead the NEC just made it up to benefit Yousaf. In addition you had Murrell running the show, you know the guy who eventually resigned in disgrace for lying about membership numbers. Sturgeon's gang ran the show to get their continuity candidate elected. Murrell actually brought in the British state security services " to help". A fair contest it was not. Months later Murrell, the treasurer and Sturgeon were all arrested and interviewed by the polis.
      Yousaf reciprocated the support he got from Sturgeon's gang by giving some of them jobs in Government.

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  4. The SNP have gone from 45% of voters to 35% of voters (if they are lucky) in 5 years. They lost a quarter of their voters and there isn't even an election campaign by anyone. Personally, I think this is because people are no longer mesmerised by SNP personality cults in the face of reality and have to rock up to a real election rather than a coronation.

    A question: Is Alaba just going to put up their two sitting-duck Westminster reps, or no-one? Does the blogist know, or is that a top-secret?

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    1. Hi Anon: I believe they have stated they will stand 12 candidates in the forthcoming general election, in those constituencies they are most likely to be successful.

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    2. Mesmerised! No, the cult of Nicola are still fervently in the bag for the SNP.

      I stopped supporting them because they gave up on independence.

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    3. I agree. The cult are all over twitter complaining about 'poor Nicola' being so harassed by that lawyer that she was reduced to tears. They are blind to the truth about her.

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  5. Anon at 10.56am - Alba stated some time ago they would stand in 12 constituencies. Of course that may change or it may have already changed. The tone of your question is pretty ignorant.

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    1. Agree. They have stated they will stand in the 12 constituencies where they believe they can be most successful.

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    2. I hope Alba give very careful consideration as to which seats they contest.

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    3. Presumably the ones where they most dislike the current MP.

      It's perfectly rational for them to defend their two current seats. The other 10 targets are going to be interesting.

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    4. Please make one of them be Pete Wishart!

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    5. That's the kind of comment that really worries me. If we "target" Pete Wishart, and if we do it successfully, ie. if we take enough votes from him that he actually loses his seat to the Tories, the independence movenent is not going to thank us for that. It may well rebound on us and cost us a shedload of votes in 2026, which is the real opportunity year for Alba.

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    6. Rob here. Not a serious question really, deals being highly unlikely, but... Were the SNP to offer not to stand in, say, the Western Isles in return for certain of their MPs avoiding competion from one of Alba's 12, who might they might prioritise?

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    7. The SNP making a deal with Alba is about as likely as Westminster making a deal with Scotgov and giving us a Section 30. They absolutely detest each other.

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    8. It’s unfortunate the situation we’re now in, with more than one Independence supporting party. Surely they can work together for the good of the common cause though.

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    9. The SNP is unlikely to stand aside for Alba? Steve P.

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    10. I’m sure you’re right. As I said it’s unfortunate, but be interesting to see which seats Alba contest. Can’t see a great outcome at the GE whatever happens.
      Let’s just hope for big changes after the election with a real focus on 2026.

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  6. Wind farms - at least Salmond promised to save oor wild lands. Nicola/ Humza are conveniently forgetting this . Sacrificed on the green alter..

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    1. A better username might be Drill, Baby, Drill.

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    2. Aye drill and capture.... . An how is pump hydro going to help intermittent wind when half of years going to be drought according to climate change predictions?

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    3. Altar not alter- though we should alter this policy!

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    4. Salmond promised a lot, and is still promising, but Scotland isn't listening and never will, they don't like him now and if you remember the polls pre 2014 women didn't like him then either
      If he'd stayed out of the way Nicola Sturgeon would've won the referendum on her own as her polling amongst women showed by rocketing upwards when she became FM

      And that's why the UK government determined never to allow Scotland another referendum ever again

      Don't count on Kate Forbes ever standing for leadership again, she's well liked but blew it because of her personal attacks on Humza Yousaf because he previously tried to belittle her in front of Nicola Sturgeon during the pandemic and the former FM told him off for trying it

      Humza is only interim manager anyway

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    5. That was a rollercoaster ride of a comment. If he's only an interim manager, the likielihood is Forbes will stand and become leader.

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    6. You are deluded. Your obvious dislike of Salmond has robbed you of any insight - Sturgeon would never have delivered independence in a month of Sundays. Have you been living in a cave this past decade? She hasn't advanced the independence cause one inch in that time as she has no genuine interest in it, only in using it as a platform for her grotesque ego.

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    7. Anon at 7.13pm - so you are arguing that Sturgeon is the reason Westminster will not agree a sec 30.

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  7. Fact : wind farms on peat produce CO2 . Only question is how much compared to best fossil fuels. Aberdeen university produced paper some 12 years ago saying that w farms on pristine peat produced more CO2 than gas fired electricity generation. This is also used for Scot gov carbon calculator . I suggest that this is out of date and far too much reliance is being put on industry figures. Also I suggest that our peat uplands would be better rewilded enhancing both natural carbon sequestration and biodiversity!

    CO2 = bad - aye . But wind farm = good- not always.
    Greens are not always green!

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  8. Would love to know what Yes supporters /SNP voters think about ending the green coalition. I'm not particularly bothered either way but I feel many in yes are progressive in nature and would see it as a signal not necessarily to their liking. My gut feel is independence is achievable but probably though the youth continuing with the notion.

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    1. I would love for the SNPs arrangement with the Green Party to be brought to an end once and for all.

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    2. The Green leader on BBCQT last night was all at sea and unable to hold his own IMHO.

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    3. Yes, but in theory I'm pro environmetalism and pro independence. Would it send the wrong signal to the future yes base?

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    4. It is possible to care about the environment without being allied with the Green Party.

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    5. The two leaders of the Scottish Greens are startlingly poor politicians. It’s a real shame. You look at Caroline Lucas or Annalena Baerbock, then back our two diddies and weep.

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  9. Kate Forbes is highly intelligent.

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    1. Kate Forbes believes fairy stories and is a British/American plant.

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    2. Clarification: the false was for Alan C. I stand strongly with Kate Forbes. She has strong Christian values and is highly intelligent.

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    3. If Christianity is fairy tales, what do you make of Humza's Islamic faith, K C, sorry, "Alan" C? ;)

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    4. Humza deserves credit for his strong faith imo.

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  10. The only problem I see for Kate Forbes is that, when the time comes to replace Humza, the Continuity Faction will do absolutely everything in their power to stop her. I worry it really will be another loyal stooge like Angus Robertson up next. And if it is, then the SNP can kiss goodbye to Bute House, too.

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  11. Not too late to change leader . Watch the Tories ditch Sunak if significantly behind Labour in polls 3 months out from GE . Bojo or even Farage with the right wing press behind them could scupper Starmer’s chances of becoming PM . The Tories are ruthless and specialise in internal coups via 1922 puppet masters

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