Tuesday, August 29, 2023

Why has McDougall served up a NoN-sense poll? Probably because Labour fear Kate Forbes becoming SNP leader

A few days ago, Blair McDougall (mastermind of the original and self-styled "Project Fear" in 2014, for younger readers who don't know who he is) announced that he was commissioning a poll to find out whether replacing Humza Yousaf with Kate Forbes would improve the SNP's electoral fortunes.  My immediate reaction was that Labour must have identified a Forbes leadership as the biggest threat to their chances in Scotland at the general election, and want to head that danger off by keeping Yousaf in harness at all costs.  McDougall's poll would therefore be calibrated to produce results intended to misleadingly give the SNP pause for thought about the electoral appeal of Forbes.  Let's face it, McDougall is a Machiavellian political actor - he's often pretty rubbish at it, most notably when he talked East Renfrewshire up as a two horse race between himself and the SNP and ended up finishing third, but nevertheless that's the scheming level on which his mind always operates.  If he goes to all the trouble and expense of commissioning a poll, it's hardly likely to be 'curiosity driven'.  It'll have a very specific practical purpose in the service of the Labour party.

Predictably, then, McDougall has come up with a poll that purports to show Forbes as leader would not increase the SNP's vote.  It may look like the question he asked was neutral enough, ie. whether people would be more likely or less likely to vote SNP if Forbes becomes leader, but the problem is that there are now enough people out there who hate the SNP that if you ask whether pretty much any hypothetical scenario would make them more likely or less likely to vote SNP, you'll get a negative response because a significant minority of respondents will want to use every question to bash the party if at all possible. Pretty much the only exception to that would be if the hypothetical scenario is every voter getting a free supply of beer for life.

McDougall knew that perfectly well from previous polls, of course, which is why he framed the question in the way that he did.  Don't fall for this ruse - if he really thought a Forbes leadership would work in Labour's favour, he'd be talking her up for all that he's worth, not talking her down.  There are various ways in which public opinion could have been more meaningfully tested, for example by asking people whether a Yousaf leadership or a Forbes leadership would make them more likely to vote SNP.  That way the question would have become genuinely about the individuals and not a proxy for SNP-bashing, and it probably would have come out firmly in Forbes' favour, bearing in mind how consistently she outpolls Yousaf on net approval ratings.

If money was no object (which certainly isn't the case) and I was able to commission another Scot Goes Pop poll in the near future, I'd try to explore this issue in some depth.  However, I don't actually think McDougall's stunt will reduce Forbes' chances of becoming leader, even if there are no alternative polls to challenge the narrative he's trying to weave.  If Yousaf is toppled before the general election, it'll be for negative reasons about his own leadership rather than positive reasons about his likely successor.  Some sort of major shock to the SNP's system would probably have to trigger it.  Remember that the 2004 European election result was enough to bring John Swinney down as leader even though, unlike now, there was absolutely no expectation that a more popular leader would step into the breach.  (We all wrongly assumed that a return for Alex Salmond wasn't a realistic option.)

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My blogpost last Thursday, about the difficulty of keeping Scot Goes Pop going for much longer due to lack of funds, produced a substantial response.  Not all of it is visible on the fundraiser page itself because around half the donations were made directly via Paypal, but over £700 has been raised since I posted.  The fundraiser remains well short of its target, but I'll certainly keep going for as long as I possibly can, and there's still some sort of chance I may be able to keep going indefinitely, depending on what happens over the next few weeks.  Many thanks to everyone who has donated, and if anyone else would like to contribute, the fundraiser page can be found HERE.  Alternatively, direct payments can be made via Paypal - my Paypal email address is:  jkellysta@yahoo.co.uk

17 comments:

  1. Swinney was dumped after the 2004 Euro Election which was *after* his atrocious result in Holyrood 2003.

    Ejecting Humza isn’t really on the cards until the WM general election at least. Now that Salmond isn’t running in Rutherglen, there’s no earthquake happening there first.

    As for Forbes: I would have voted for her if I was a party member (and Ash a very distant second). I do fear the all too effective bible bashing smear campaign on her during the leadership contest has poisoned a lot of the party membership on her, however. Which is a real problem, as the other likely candidates are as bad as Humza.

    Angus Robertson, anyone?

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    1. "Ejecting Humza isn’t really on the cards until the WM general election at least. Now that Salmond isn’t running in Rutherglen..."

      No, the complete reverse is true. It's still unlikely that a single by-election result would be enough to topple Yousaf, but the maximum danger to him in Rutherglen comes from a really big swing specifically from SNP to Labour. There's no barrier to that happening now.

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    2. I really do fear Angus Robertson becoming leader. The SNP membership has sleep walked into so many bad decisions either deliberately or by inattention to what was going on. Angus Robertson as leader is unthinkable.

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    3. Yusaf is the Michael Howard of the SNP, to take the heat and then be born anew under new leadership. No point burning Forbes or another now as it's too far gone at this moment. People need to think ahead.

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    4. Nope. I can't emphasise enough that this general election is an election the independence movement can't afford to lose. The problems have got to be fixed *before* polling day, not afterwards.

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  2. From the NoN article, this is how it's funded:

    "A big thank you to paid subscribers who fund content like this poll."

    Yes, even though it seems neutral it is loaded. Considering the current support for the SNP is about 39%, then there's a 61% who are likely to say it makes them the same or less likely to vote SNP whatever the question "Will the big blue supermoon make it ...?"

    Anyways it's more publicity for Forbes, keeps her in the public eye, and generously paid for by the subscribers of NoN. Good for them!

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  3. Time for a major Wings Watch update, James. One of the most bizarre lies ever from Campbell: "Just 77 people in Scotland had HIV as of the end of 2021. It is now in almost all cases a non-serious illness with little to no impact on life quality or expectancy.)"

    His own link shows how nonsensical this is in the first paragraph. In fact, 6415 people had HIV in Scotland at the end of the 2021, almost *a hundred times more* than he's claiming. 77 is merely the number of people diagnosed for the first time over the course of the year. If he really can't understand that distinction, he's an idiot. No trainee journalist worth their salt would make such a howler, let alone "the best journalist in Scotland". Why do people take this guy seriously? Why do they hero worship him?

    This is not, of course, a trivial or innocent error. The false claim is intended to support Campbell's contention that the SNP are wasting their time on 'unimportant matters', and is thus very seriously deceptive. His suggestion that HIV has "little to no impact" on life expectancy is also a lie - life expectancy for those with HIV has of course dramatically improved since the mid-90s but it still lags around five years or so behind the general population.

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    1. That's dire from him. Having read that section of his post a few times now, I still can't work out whether he was too stupid or careless to spot his own error, or whether it was an intentional lie and he was banking on his readers being too slow-witted (or under his spell) to spot a lie hidden in plain sight. But anyone who knows about the subject would know that 77 is absurdly wrong without even checking. The thousands who had HIV in the 80s and 90s and 2000s haven't all disappeared, not least because life expectancy HAS increased so much.

      Now the error has been identified, will he quietly amend his post or will he try to brazen it out...?

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    2. He's been a McIcke for a while now, or should that be a southern Oliver?

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    3. I mentioned the inaccuracy btl on the article, and again a couple of articles later, along with an @ on Twitter to his post advertising the article. While it's possible he didn't see any of that it's a poor showing even when looking at it charitably. As you imply, a shameless error.

      (Incidentally, talking of corrections, the 77 figure is diagnoses over a two year period, not one.)

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  4. Rob here,

    Robin McAlpine flags up plenty of bumps in the road ahead for the SNP in his latest post. Sadly, there's no hint of when they'll "drop," as they say. Some have been on-going for so long it's difficult not to think of them as lost forever in the long grass. Is there anything you can flesh out, James? I like the sound of the book on the list, but I'll be glued to coverage of Salmond vs. Evans in court.

    There is Branchform.
    Then there is the police investigation of the leak of information to the Record.
    Then there is the perjury inquiry which may be expanding.
    Then there is a book on the Salmond trial affair which will contain entirely new information.
    Then Salmond is taking Lesley Evans to court, effectively re-running the Holyrood Salmond Inquiry without the Scottish Government withholding evidence.

    As Robin put it, “It is a string of nightmares for any leader who has not distanced themselves from Sturgeon.”

    You're a much valued honest voice, btw. Thanks.

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  5. For goodness sake wee Patrick has reported some geezer to the polis. Patrick was offended by a comment made to him ( called him a deviant ). Patrick in return called him a bigot. What a wimp of a politician. Wait a minute - can I call him a wimp - will Patrick have the polis after me? Scrub that Patrick is a diddy of a politician. This the standard of politician that Sturgeon invited to govern Scotland - Lorna Slater - another diddy - Maggie Chapman - a bampot. They will feel very comfortable sharing government with Hate Crime diddy Yousaf.

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    1. That comment was shouted at him during an interview on national television, did you expect Harvie to agree with the church of Rangers unionist bigot?

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  6. Congratulations on the big injection of funds over the last few days, James. It's a tribute to your excellent, sensible politics. An increasingly rare quality these days.

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  7. Taking this and the previous Alba posts together, I’m pretty convinced Alex has decided to run as many Alba candidates at the GE as possible. Why? There is a sizeable number of Indy supporters who currently will have no one to vote for, and having an Alba offering keeps them engaged and gets Alba publicity. The SNP fail badly at the GE, new leadership contest ensues with new leader candidates having to face reality of a split movement and how they will address Scotland United - this plays out to a good (hopefully) outcome for the Holyrood contest.

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    1. I'm not following you there. By definition Scotland United will be totally dead if Alba run lots of candidates at the general election. The idea certainly won't have any relevance at the 2026 Holyrood election due to the different voting system.

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  8. He's shopping for a new Scottish Tory Leader.

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