Thursday, October 16, 2025

Could the UK general election of 2028 or 2029 end up being the real crunch-point on independence?

As has been well-rehearsed, a strategic misstep was made at the weekend - a single-party SNP majority is unlikely to be won simply because the electoral system is designed to prevent it, and then we'll be stuck with a precedent that we needn't and shouldn't ever have set.  Undoubtedly at some point after next year's election, we'll try to walk back from that precedent by arguing that a single-party majority isn't actually necessary after all, and our opponents will try to hold us to it, just as they've tried to hold us to "once in a generation".  It will be hard to get over that hurdle.

However, that mistake is now pretty much baked in, so there's not much point worrying about a misstep that has already been made.  As we look for signs of hope, I think one thing we should bear in mind is that if a pro-independence majority is won next year, but without the SNP reaching the self-imposed target of a single-party majority, it's not actually the case that Scottish politics will then go to sleep until 2031.  The next big election after May will in fact be the UK general election of 2028 or 2029.  If Reform are still in anything like the position in the polls they're in now, there will be considerable pressure on the SNP to devise a strategy for using that general election to win independence outright and to protect Scotland from far-right rule, rather than revert to the usual fare of just offering "strong Scottish voices at Westminster".

The logical step would be to say that "we have the pro-indy majority at Holyrood, that part of the equation is already there, so if pro-indy parties win a majority of votes at this Westminster election, we will regard that as an outright mandate for independence".  In practice, of course, we know that John Swinney is for some reason totally allergic to the concept of a de facto referendum in a way that Nicola Sturgeon was not, and even if he's been replaced by Stephen Flynn by then, the same will almost certainly prove to be true of Flynn.  But there will be immense pressure on the SNP leadership to devise some sort of method, regardless of what label they put on it, by which a pro-indy majority of seats and/or votes can be used to win independence.  Given the way the SNP itself has been clear about the apocalyptic threat of Reform rule, it's unlikely that "steady as she goes, let's build towards another crack at the 0.5% chance of a single-party majority in 2031" will be considered good enough.

Unless of course the Farage bubble has burst by then and Reform are no longer leading in the GB-wide polls.  But we'll just have to wait and see about that.

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13 comments:

  1. So let me just clarify the last 11yrs has all been about Independence and the reason we aren't independence is the UKG has said no.

    So next years Holyrood election is about Independence and we need to mimic the 2011 election and also ask for a section 30 order and if the UKG say no, then what.

    We then look to the Westminster and make the Westminster election again about Independence if the SNP devise a strategy! So let me think what the SNP strategy won't be 50%+1 it'll be 60-70%+1 and well ask for a section 30 order.

    Is it just me who believes that after the Holyrood election if the SNP DON'T delivery Independence no on is going to take them serious on Independence. How patient does the SNP believe the Scottish people is because already they have lost the last Westminster election to Labour and since them 20% of core Indy voters.

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    1. The SNP can't "get us" independence, politicians are only there to put forward their opinions and prospectus and ask us to vote for them to try to employ that, if Westminster comes up with yet another ridiculous block our politicians still can't do anything about what they do in another country that refuses to countenance democracy , but the people of Scotland can do something about it if we really want independence that badly

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    2. Anon 7:54 wrong there's plenty we can do - we just don't do it. If the system is designed against you then you have to break the system. It is not up to the people of Scotland to go out and march and wave banners and conduit civil disobedience, it is up to our elected politicians to do that. It is after all a representative democracy. The SNP just want to sit on their fat arses and say "we'll we did ask"

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    3. Yup, it seems to now be a 'movement' based almost entirely on politicians, with very little civic participation. I have a feeling it is just a party political PR vote-magnet excercise nowadays.

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    4. Anon at 7.54pm is old faithful Dr Jim from WGD. Old faithful to his dear Nicola and the SNP. Jimbo has been punting that same excuse on WGD for the SNP being in reality devolutionists. Sorry to burst your cover and bubble ( not really). Well your cover ain't much kop Jimbo and your pathetic storyline to try and excuse the SNP will only be bought by idiots.

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    5. I do laugh at Dr Jim as he tells readers that "the SNP can't get us independence ". Why vote for them then Jimbo?

      That would be a strange campaign slogan for the SNP next May.

      VOTE SNP WE CANT GET INDEPENDENCE


      Of course that slogan is inaccurate. This is more accurate.

      VOTE SNP WE DONT WANT INDEPENDENCE

      Hope this helps. It's a burden I have carried for some time - correcting nonsense posted by the WGD numpties.

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  2. James, you've seen the approach for the last decade and more...but you still think they'll go for a radical approach in 2028!?
    These guys. The same folk who haven't gone radical every other time before.

    You don't think it's overwhelmingly more likely that the strategy will be 'vote SNP for independence in 2029, Westminster surely can't refuse democracy now, their position is untenable......blah blah blah'?

    Really?

    How many more years of this same strategy would it take before you start believing its the only carrot on sale?

    Another 5? Another 10?

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    1. Ghav's right.

      Vote for us so we can kick the can down the road again? Again! How can this be good enough? How?

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  3. Well who are you all going to vote for then? Tory, Labour, Lib Dem’s reform? We all know what ifs is voting for……reform…he is the idiot on the shelf!!

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    1. Anon troll at 4.31am who is the " we " you refer to? In your delusional mind do you think you are royalty or something. The truth is you are a pathetic troll who only comes out at night when it is dark.

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  4. Starmer and his fellow Britnats showing their true colours when they express outrage at Israeli fans being banned from attending a football match in Birmingham. Imagine being the sort of person (Starmer) who facilitates a genocide and wants the people from that country to come and enjoy a football match in your country. Israel should be banned from all sports across the world not just in Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if Starmer and his family end up living in Israel or the USA in future years to avoid being prosecuted by the ICC. No wonder Labour are plummeting in the polls. As I have said previously vote Labour or Tory and you have the blood of thousands of children on your hands.
    Israel currently complaining about their small number of dead bodies not being returned but they are the people who probably demolished tower blocks over the top of them. Turkey volunteered 80 of their experts in this field to help find the bodies but Israel refused them entry to Gaza. The IDF still occupy over 50% of Gaza where some of the bodies may be buried. The IDF are still shooting anyone who they say has come too close to them. So an argument could be made that the IDF and Israel are preventing these bodies being found. Israel is one of the most disgusting fascist states in the world.

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