One of our commenters wondered aloud whether he would count as Scottish enough for Sovereignty and Liberate Scotland, given that he is one-quarter Irish. And that set me thinking about myself. As regular readers of this blog know, I have dual nationality, so one-half of my family background isn't Scottish at all. But on my dad's side of the family, I have a typical Scottish Catholic background - meaning that I'm mostly descended from people who emigrated from Ireland between the 1850s and the 1890s, due to the mass transfer of population that occurred as a result of the man-made (London-made) Great Famine and its aftermath.
In fact for a long time I assumed that I probably didn't have any pre-1850 Scottish ancestry at all, because until relatively recently the Catholic community tended to only marry amongst themselves. But a few years ago I discovered that there was one (albeit only one) mixed marriage in the family, which occurred somewhere around 1870. That means one of my great-great-grandmothers was a native Scottish Protestant woman from South Lanarkshire, and through her I have Scottish ancestry going back to time immemorial.
But the opposite way of putting it is that in strictly ancestral terms I am merely one-sixteenth Scottish. So do I make the cut as far as Sovereignty and Liberate Scotland are concerned? I certainly wouldn't if Nazi-style racial laws were applied, because one-sixteenth would be considered far too diluted to count. I wouldn't even qualify as a 'Mischling' (half-breed) - I would just be deemed to be purely Irish, or perhaps Irish-French-English-Dutch if I get into the complexities of the more exotic half of the family.
Now, my guess is that Sovereignty would stretch a point as far as the Irish-descended Catholic community is concerned. We sound Scottish, we look Scottish, and the only three things that really set us apart is that we tend to have Irish-sounding surnames, we generally went to Catholic schools, and we mostly support Celtic football club. And of course Celtic football club is in itself an integral part of modern Scottish culture - so how on earth would you disentangle the descendants of an immigrant community that assimilated into Scotland so totally?
But if you assume that Sovereignty would indeed give us Irish-descended folk a free pass because of what we look like and sound like, that implies that we'd be given special dispensation that wouldn't be offered to Scottish residents who, say, sound English or look Pakistani. And when you start thinking about which groups would and wouldn't make the cut, and about the reasons why, you start to realise just how arbitrary and nasty it is to award or withhold citizenship on the basis of ethnicity.
Barrhead Boy, who seems to be the de facto leader of Liberate Scotland, went completely off his nut when I drew attention to Sovereignty's far-right policies. He accused me of being some sort of saboteur and said individual policies should wait until after independence. But I don't think that attitude is ever going to work as far as citizenship rights are concerned, and there's a very good reason for that. People need to know before they vote on independence whether they're being asked about independence for their own country or about independence for a country that will regard them as an alien. Self-evidently the answer to that question will for many people be the prime determinant of how they vote.
Sovereignty and Liberate Scotland can't fudge this or kick it down the road. Voters are entitled to be told who an independent Scotland will belong to - and who it won't belong to.
My brother has been living in London for 30 years but would be welcomed back 'in' while my wife who's been here since university, worked full time and paid taxes since 1994 would be 'tolerated'.
ReplyDeleteCitizenship is not something that countries should throw around because it means too much to people. Being resident in scotland on the day of it becoming independent is not enough to qualify as a citizen. An intent to become Scottish has to be demonstrated. That's easy if youve spent ten years in the country. Most countries check how much time youve spent abroad in that period. Less than ten years is not enough. That includes English people. I've been in England for 10 years and AM I GHYF English. Not an ounce of Englishness is in my brain or veins. Full rights, including voting, family reunion etc should be attained after a clear intent to live here, such as a permanent job or buying property, but not citizenship until an undeniable intent to become Scottish. And you know what I mean by that.
ReplyDeleteNo I don't, I'm afraid. You sound like Michael Howard: "are you thinking what I'm thinking?" No I'm not.
DeleteThere's a real danger of independence not being recognised by the international community if it seeks to immediately reduce large sections of the population to second class status or ethnically selects the franchise in a referendum.
Delete'An undeniable intent to become Scottish'? No, I don't know what you mean. Would you care to elaborate? Sounds very like Tebbit's 'cricket test' to me. I want no part of that.
DeleteK Boyd - Scot’s don’t even have second class status in their own country at present. Scots are a colonised people. Arguments about who should get a vote when England are denying us the right to have a vote seem a bit strange to me. Cart before the horse.
DeleteIf you can't even define who "us" are, it's you who is putting the cart before the horse.
DeleteJames, “us “ are people who identify as Scottish. It’s that simple. They manage to do that at every census. I identify as Scottish as I am sure you do.
Delete"Not an ounce of Englishness is in my brain or veins"
DeleteGo outside one day I beg you
"James, “us “ are people who identify as Scottish. It’s that simple."
DeleteThen why would there be any question mark over who will be able to vote?
It really doesn’t matter, they will not muster even 1% of the votes. Why bother? Ethnic nationalism is not welcome in Scotland. Starve them of the oxygen of publicity. No more I say.
ReplyDeleteI think Yousaf when he was the SNP leader clearly said that all residents on Independence day would become citizens
ReplyDeleteSovereignty and Liberate Scotland are a liability to the Yes movement. They should be thoroughly and consistently excluded from all Yes events, planning and coordination. And they should be publicly humiliated by the SNP leadership for what they are.
ReplyDeleteMy choice is that all people resident at time of independence would automatically get citizenship. Plus families & dependents. Scotland needs more people to keep our services going as the existing population age.
ReplyDeleteThis is the only way. Ethnic nationalism is a road to ruin. Inclusive, civic nationalism is what distinguishes Scottish nationalism for the good. Something we can be justly proud of.
DeletePlease define "resident at time"
DeleteWould that include anyone from any where who has an address in Scotland?
What if that is a holiday home address?
What if they have only had that address for 3 months and are only intending to stay for another 6 months?
What about students resident for a 2 year course of studies?
What about military personnel posted here for a year?
Most countries do not allow you to pitch up and immediately become a citizen, obtain a passport and vote on constitutional matters
There must be some qualifying criteria around birth and residency
For example:
If you were born in Scotland and have lived here for say 2 years you get to vote
If you weren't born in Scotland but have lived here for say 5 years you get to vote
If you weren't born here but at least one of you parents or possibly grandparents was AND you have lived here for say 5 years you get to vote
"Lived here" in the above examples means that your main address is here
For me the above is about voting in any independence referendum but similar qualifying criteria should apply AFTER independence when, as in pretty much ALL other countries residency or citizenship are not automatically granted to anyone who happens to be present. but must be applied for and the criteria satisfied
It's not about ethnic nationalism it's about whether you qualify through birth - no one cares if you can trace your roots back hundreds of years it's about whether your or your parents birth was registered here or if your spouse or civil partner's birth was registered here.
DeleteThen it's also about whether you live here and for how long have you lived here
Is a fixation on "place of birth registration" any less soul-destroying than a fixation on ethnicity? A few weeks ago, we had a commenter who pointed out that a significant proportion of Welsh people were born in England, simply due to the location of maternity units in border areas.
DeleteI'm of a Scots Protestant family on both sides for all three of the previous generations. A (cheap) DNA test gave me 84% Scots, 14% Irish and 2% Norwegian. I was born in Paisley.
ReplyDeleteI'm the , 'real' thing - whatever that is. I despise crude nativism which pollutes out cause. To me it is part of the reactionary dross that we are trying to escape from. The 2014 definition had it right.
A flat no to ethnic prejudices !
Completely agree the 2014 Referendum had this right no dissension from either side as far as I can recall so the right balance
Delete"and through her I have Scottish ancestry going back to time immemorial"
ReplyDeleteNot really. It depends on whether it's 300 years, 800 years, 1,200 years, 2,000 years or 10,000 years. What's the cutoff date - does it include Robert De Brus or William le Waleys who were French not "Scottish"?
What about Cruithne, Drest or Oengus who were Picts not "Scottish"?
And what does Sara Salyers from the USA I think, have to say about being dispossessed not just of her right to vote, but of her citizenship?
By my extensive calculation there are precisely - zero - Scots according to the extremists, including themselves.
Well, what I meant by that is simply that a native Scottish Protestant woman born in the 1840s or whenever it was will have had almost exclusively Scottish born ancestors going back centuries, and therefore her ancestry will be drawn from a variety of different "Scottish" sources - Gaelic, Pictish, Anglic, etc. It would be very difficult to limit it to a certain wave of immigrants no matter how far you go back .
DeleteLiberate can't even manage to get Alba on board... quite telling.
ReplyDeleteThere is no separating independence from the SNP, as Alba demonstrated at its peak in 2021. I voted for them, James voted for them, and I’m sure many of us commenters here. But pitifully few joined us. Everyone knew who Alex Salmond was, yet no more than a trickle followed him.
DeleteNaturally, that means the SNP leadership has veto power over independence, as each one of their subsequent leaders has demonstrated. Without a nationalist calling the shots in the SNP, there is nothing. Not even a half-decent indy march any more.
In fairness, Alba may be a joke, but Kenny MacAskill is not. Why should someone like MacAskill be asked to treat Barrhead Boy as his overlord? It's a nonsense.
DeleteCan it really be said the Irish have integrated into Scotland?
ReplyDeleteSo, to be clear, you see me as Irish and not Scottish? My nearest Irish-born relative was a great-grandparent who arrived here in the 1890s. You think we still haven't bedded in?
DeleteThere are well established protocols at the UN for deciding who is eligible to vote in a referendum on a country’s future. It might be as simple as a residence qualification of, say, 20 or 25 years. So that an individual has had time to live in a country and understand it. It would certainly exclude new retirees who come for cheap housing, free prescriptions and other perks.
DeleteCan we read these "well established protocols"? Do they actually exist somewhere outside Alf Baird's vivid imagination?
DeleteI'm increasingly of the opinion that the Yes movement needs the exact opposite of what Barrhead boy is trying to do.
ReplyDeleteIt's been proven exhaustively that the broad church, unity approach simply does not work. The closer pro indy groups get the more they find something to disagree on.
All groups should campaign independently with full autonomy and let the voters decide who is fittest to take us forwards.
The idea that what Barrhead Boy is trying to do is "broad church" or "unity" is laughable. Liberate Scotland is yet another People's Front of Judea breakaway effort.
DeleteLiberate can take their blood and soil rubbish and pound it where the sun doesn't shine. I wasn't born in Scotland but I've lived here almost my entire life. I'll be damned if anyone's going to tell me I'm not Scottish.
ReplyDeleteThere will always nutcases. With modern communications technology they can talk to each. Thankfully, the racial purity caste is miniscule, comical, and don't throw firebombs in Scotland (at least not yet - maybe they are on holiday in N. Ireland after their holidays in Dublin and Sunderland).
ReplyDeletePalestine is a great advert for civic nationalism isn't it? Let them all in, they just want to grow oranges and study the torah.
ReplyDelete(locks and loads, dresses up as arabs and blows things up, king david hotel, squaddies hanging from trees with landmines underneath, deir yassin ... )
- and now the natives are living in an open air concentration camp, being bombed at will.
Sometimes the "civic nationalists" are just playing the long game - they don't want your identity, they want to destroy you.
As for the english - they are all little englanders, ethnoracial supremacists who think the anglo saxon in the master race and everything and everywhere belongs to them.
ESPECIALLY SCOTLAND
"Sometimes the "civic nationalists" are just playing the long game"
DeleteAnd sometimes you're just being really really REALLY paranoid.
Totally agree, this Sovereignty lot are ethno Fascists.
ReplyDeleteYou people are the ragged kilted philanthropists
ReplyDelete- you want to give away the country, you do not even have yet, to the people who it doesn't belong to, who are already doing greatly at your expense.
If scottish independence is not for the Scots, who is it for? The middle class? Half of them are english and the other half so closely allied to their values it makes no difference; they are already doing great. The carpetbaggers, international capital, oligarchs, "asylum seekers", visa overstayers? Yeah, let's have a handout for these folks.
Consider our EFTA peers, the best and richest countries in the world - we could have been the best of them, but you just got robbed, left scrapings on the table, allowed to lick the spoon, as long as you were grateful.
Imagine the life you could have had, the life the english took from you. I won't forget, neither should you. You will take it personal, on some quiet break, hearing their braying accents.
Are you Laurence Fox, actor turned activist? If so, you were at your best in Miss Marple. The zenith of your career.
Delete"You people"
DeleteAnd therein we see a perfect example of the self-appointed ethno-supremacist intolerant egotistically motivated overlord wannabe where it's "my way or the gulag".
The framing for this blood and soil stuff is that English “white settlers” don’t see themselves as Scots, don’t recognise Scotland’s distinct identity, and don’t deserve a say in our future. They are numerous and destructive, with their second homes a soulless plague the highlands. So f*** the lot of them.
ReplyDeleteThen again there’s English born Scots like my mum, who raised Scottish sons and was 100% Yes.
So where do you draw the line? Who’s Scottish now?
Starmer played his part in letting the mad dog Israel off its leash. No small amount of rowing back by Starmer can hide this fact. Like Blair Starmer is just another Labour war criminal.
ReplyDeleteIt is such a counter-productive idea.
ReplyDeleteWe need international support and the international community will steer clear of anything that suggests ethnic struggles or oppression of one ethnicity.
Westminster will be able to use it against us easily and it will be hard to impossible to get Westminster to the negotiating table under those conditions
It is a vote loser
We know that the majority of Scots of Asian and African descent voted Yes
EU Nationals voted No to keep EU citizenship they would now likely vote Yes
Every Scot I know of US, Australia or Canadian descent voted Yes
Scots of Irish descent voted Yes
So that just leaves Scots of English descent and they by majority voted No but Nationality wasn't necessarily the factor. Rather that they tended to be older and richer so voted along with their demographic.
So it should be clear that there is a net gain from letting all Scots (residents) vote on independence. And a gain in international acceptance for letting everyone entitled to vote to become a citizen.
You can put in some rules about second homes and temporary residents (i.e. students) but these should uncontroversial and agreed by almost everyone.
“ It is a vote loser.” Remind me when are we getting this vote. 19/10/2023?
DeleteSeems the SNP are against an independence convention, showing their true devolutionist colours.
ReplyDeleteWT what tosh.
DeleteIt's coming across as rather shambolic:
ReplyDeleteAlba: We intend to stand in every List seat in Scotland
Liberate: We plan to stand candidates on both the constituencies and the list, why aren't you supporting us Alba!?
Small groups with support at best in the hundreds. Scratch the surface and these are not nice people. We want them nowhere near the Indy movement. Idiot for Scotland is a great example. Toxic, ignorant and fundamentally dishonest. A troll in every sense of the word. Unfortunately we have only one political party capable of being a platform for Indy. If people decide not to vote for them I understand why. I do not agree but it is up to the individual. I am not getting involved in the argument that not voting SNP a is effectively a vote for a unionist party. We all know it is, but those with a hatred so deep for the SNP that is prevails over all other thoughts, will vote according to that hatred. We face hard times.
ReplyDeleteYou are involved in the argument. Voting unionist includes voting SNP - have you not noticed the progress they've made? Not voting is one of the few options left to those who want to register their discontent with the lazy grifters that are running and ruining our country.
DeleteSNP and independence shouldn’t be in the same sentence.
Delete1.57pm Liar for Sturgeon - go on tell me why I am toxic. Tell me what I am ignorant about. Best of all Liar for Sturgeon what am I dishonest about. Make your case. A nice person (😂) like you can do that can't you. Or are you just a fascist who is one step away from making it illegal not to vote SNP.
DeleteAnon @1.57pm whatever happened to David Francis? You know that nice gentleman who called people he disagreed with a
Delete“ wankstain” and various other choice forms of abuse. He insisted you must vote SNP like some sort of SS stormtrooper. Just like you. Is he a nice person? Are you a nice person?
1.57pm who elected you as a spokesperson for independence supporters. Speak for yourself. You don’t speak for me.
DeleteSovereignty and Liberate Scotland are a bunch of right wing dafties.
DeleteAnon at 5.43. You are being polite. They are actually seriously unpleasant people with values I and other decent
Deletepeople will never hold. IFS is a prime example. Imagine that as a neighbour. I wont be responding to the usual muppets. Yes that includes you IFS.
Anon at 5.43pm thinks he is a decent person. I suppose if you are posting from Barlinnie you may think you are relative to some of your neighbours. You CAN’T respond because you don’t have the wit to make your case.
DeleteI am not getting involved in the argument that eating paint chips is a guaranteed cure for constipation. We all know it is, but those with a hatred so deep for the SNP that is prevails over all other thoughts, will vote according to that hatred. We face hard times.
DeleteWT and IFS. Joined at the hip.
DeleteAnon @12.20pm I thought you said you were off to the pub.
DeleteDon't you just love all these British trolls telling us they support independence and screaming that the SNP don't want it
ReplyDeleteIf the SNP don't want independence as they all say then why are they so bothered about everybody voting for them, who do they want us to vote for, c'mon speak up trolls, which party is the bestest of the bestest to get independence for Scotland? and if you say Alba you're out because lack of representatives means they can't compete in elections, so c'mon spit it out, who do we all vote for that can actually win?
And the answer is nobody, so why are IFS and his mates doing this?
The great British strategy invention as in use by Donald Trump, the creation of VOTER APATHY among the electorate, it wins elections all the time
There was half a million of us last summer, Anon. There’s little sign of that changing. Independence polls at 50+ and the SNP is 20 points behind that. Close your eyes and plug your ears if you like, it doesn’t vanish just because you want it to.
DeleteYou know who’s empowered to tackle the apathy? The first minister. Declare the coming election a ballot on UDI and people will wake up, all right.
Anonymous prick at 7.06pm. I don't tell people who to vote for. Unlike pricks like you.
DeleteYou ask a question then answer it yourself - what a prick.
Why don't you tell me why the SNP continually lied about Indyref2. While you are thinking about that get a tattoo on the back of your hand that says SAVE THE DATE 19/10/2023 to remind you of what a prick you are. Then you can tell me why the SNP also then lied about holding a de facto referendum.
The SNP is a devolution party and if you vote for it you are the Britnat. No screaming just my opinion.
My challenge to you. Make your case that the SNP will do something to deliver independence and when. Otherwise you are just another troll dishing out insults who cannot argue his point of view. - in other words a right prick.
VOTER APATHY created by Sturgeon, Yousaf and Swinney and all their lies about independence. Only an idiot would try to claim that a few people posting btl on a blog have caused the drop off in SNP vote. 7.06pm you are that idiot.
DeleteYes 54% SNP low 30% that is the Sturgeon legacy for the SNP.
I'm not bothered about people voting SNP - but they're deluded. It's the SNP fans on here, like yourself, who are bothered by how independence supporters choose to behave in response to the SNP's grifting or cravenness. I want independence but it doesn't look like they do, for they've done jack shit about it for eleven years. How long is it going to take you to realise you're being shafted? I hung around throwing my vote at them for six or seven years, way past the point where the needle on my bullshit meter was steady on red. Wake up, you're being had
DeleteIdiot for Scotland and his (cough cough) little helpers are in overdrive this afternoon. Usual mix of lies and stupidity. And straw men. Sad wee guy(s). Off back to your Mail/Xpress rags. Loving the hatred, lies and vitriol which you are now busy disowning. Stupid doesn’t cover you. How are things in WOS land these days? Are you Still hanging around toilets? I am finished with you. Go and make some chips.
ReplyDeleteAre you alright?
DeleteWT these trolls are never alright. You read posts like 7.14pm and you get the sense that they are seriously disturbed people.
DeleteHilarious response from your little helper. Nice you have a friend. Why don’t the two of you go out instead of spending your Friday nights on here making multiple posts? Sad wee guys. Right I’m off. Pub beckons.
DeleteAnon @12.17pm says “ Pub beckons”. It’s very nice that they provide you with a pub in Barlinnie.
DeleteYou have an unusual talent, shared only with Idiot for Scotland. Not something you really want to advertise. Bar L and toilets seem to fascinate the pair of you. You are both for the watching.
DeleteLiar for Sturgeon at 3.27pm - thought you were in the pub. Nothing you post is ever true. A lowlife - what an advert for the SNP.
DeleteSo to summarise I challenge Liar for Sturgeon, who is probably the missing David Francis, to present his case to back up his accusations about me. Like all the nasty trolls he runs away like the coward he is and can only post a mixture of silly lies and gibberish.
ReplyDeleteYou challenge Sturgeon? you stupid little scrote you're a troll on the internet with zero information of what you're talking about, you rinse and repeat Salmond shite day after day all proven and evidenced to have been Salmond's own jealousy and hatred that Nicola Sturgeon worked to get the nubers up while he got a free run at a referendum because the British were convinced he would lose at starting point of 28%
DeleteSalmond always was all mouth and no substance just as Winnie Ewing described him
You been on the booze again Dr Jim. You unable to read properly Jimbo. IFS says he challenges the troll Liar for Sturgeon not the actual Sturgeon. Away to your bed and sleep it off you old drunk.
DeleteDr Jim at 9.44pm best not to post when drunk. You are an embarrassment to the SNP, independence supporters and Scotland.
DeleteAnswering yourself again and blaming others IFS?
DeleteAnon at 1.33am has crawled out of his gutter to post his usual nonsense. These trolls have no argument to make just made up lies and abuse. The worst of humanity.
DeleteFor those who say only "Scots" should have the vote, here's 12,000 who they'd probably want to have the vote: "Mr McKellar said the decision would affect 12,000 Scots living in Corby."
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-20122435
However, in a mock vote 72% REJECTED Independence:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-28279790
Blood and Soil "Nationalists" should be careful what they wish for.
There are million, tens of millions of expat Scots who proudly profess their Scots nationality with "knowledge" of Scotland decades out of date, including every day speech, and without the slightest interest in actually living here - otherwise they would.
Err, last time I looked Corby wasn't in Scotland so anyone living there wouldn't satisfy the RESIDENCY aspect of any constitutional voting or citizenship entitlement
DeleteWouldn't they? Plenty of jurisdictions (including the UK) allow citizenship and voting rights to significant numbers of non-residents.
DeleteYesindyref2 - a mildly interesting post but irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. It is people who identify as Scottish living in Scotland who should get the vote. Nothing to do with blood or soil.
DeleteI am Spartacus! Prove it!
DeleteAnon at 12:55 AM
DeleteBut there are approximately 4.1 zillion versions of franchises that people come up with and no agreement at all.
Voter apathy in Scotland was a joint exercise between Alex Salmond the UK government and the media
ReplyDeleteAnd where is your Alba now? morons
Where is your Nicola now Dr Jim? Took you for a fool.
DeleteIFS pretending he's anonymously somebody else, Nicola Sturgeon lives rent free in your head, and blaming somebody else for your women hatred makes it obvious what you are
DeleteThere's laws against folk like you being near schools
1.37am - you are a disgusting lowlife.
DeleteAnon at 1.37am not even pretending he is not a scumbag troll.
DeleteAnon at 1.37am crawls out of his gutter to troll.
945 ifs, your tablets have stopped working please see your GP on Monday. Your Surgeon fixation is creepy and disturbing.of course it may be you are just jealous of her.
DeleteAnon at 1.37. Yes. That was the reason for my reference to his “cough cough” friends. He seems to actually think he is getting away with it. If he wasn’t such a nasty piece of work it would be fun.
DeleteIdiot for Scotland. The evidence is on this site in abundance you cretin. Do we now add short term memory loss to your range of ailments? What a complete moron you are.
DeleteThe lowlife trolls that pollute SGP really need to get themselves a hobby. Yes David that includes you. Posting abuse after abuse only highlights the type of people you are. Who would want to join the SNP to spend time with lowlifes like these SNP trolls.
DeleteYour mirror is doing overtime today troll boy.
DeleteAnon troll at 3.23pm has nothing to say but but ignorant trolling. The troll has been challenged to describe how and when the SNP will deliver Scottish independence. The response is silence as they run away as they are incapable of posting anything but ignorant abuse.
DeleteFor the person asking why he's "banned from posting", the answer is you're not banned, for the same excellent reason that I've pointed out umpteen times - it's literally impossible to ban people on the Blogger platform. But you've tried to post three comments in the last 24 hours, and all of them have breached my moderation policy (in two cases by challenging my moderation decisions).
ReplyDeleteToo many English White Settlers in Scotland voting for the English NAZI Reform Party for Scotland to be Independent now.
ReplyDeleteWhite settlers? I can live with that. Look around you and it’s not white settlers that’s the problem. Ireland now are fighting back with the amount of asylum immigration and the white English will be in the minority in a few decades. Sharia law anyone. Major civil unrest is looming large in England and it’s slowly creeping into Scotland too and no one seems to be able to stop it.
DeleteRacist nonsense by some individuals who find difficulty in getting out of a stank.
ReplyDeleteAye it’s racist nonsense these days to say what’s in front of your eyes. Just like it’s transphobic to say that a man can’t have a cervix. Aye nonsense like that ae?
DeleteYou should’ve went to Specsavers if you can’t see what’s going on in today’s Britain and the west in general.
Deletethe english are the worst, that is the people you need rid of
Deleteindy now, then build an iron wall
the ethnics we can deal with later; at least with the asian business community you can get excellent discounts at their cash and carries
reform are super racists
Deletefarage thinks he is mosley and powell genespliced and reborn
Super racists or super realists. I can’t make up my mind but I’m tending to lead towards the latter if push comes to shove
DeleteSwinney not even bothering to hide that he is a devolutionist these days. Swinney taking part in a talking shop with the Britnats to discuss Scotland in 2050 in the UK. The attendees even include Tony Blair's wife and all manner of Britnats. That's right Swinney is convinced Scotland will still be under Westminster's control in 2050. It's clear Swinney and the SNP are now under Westminster's control.
ReplyDeleteAssuming not all SNP members are numpties the members who actually want independence need to clear out the grifters in the leadership.
Aye - I thought you had left to give us all peace. Not one future leader of the SNP will be sufficient for you but it allows you to greet up to your death bed that it was everyone’s fault that independence wasn’t achieved. Of course it may be you have a lack of self awareness that folk like you are one of the negatives or more likely you are just a britnat.
DeleteHe isn’t even a Britnat, just a cretinous troll.
DeleteAnon troll at 3.10pm says " give us all peace" who is the us you say you represent and how and when were you mandated to speak for them? Or more likely you have delusions of grandeur?
DeleteI never said " it was everyone's fault that independence wasn't achieved ". Once again a troll posts lies.
You just keep munching on the carrots and then stick your head in the sand anon and see where that gets independence. A recent SNP carrot was the promised independence convention. Now, like so many SNP promises, ditched as it was only ever a carrot to give numpties like you to chew on until they can think of the next carrot to throw your way.
The english only care about money and if Scotland was being subsidised year on year, decade on decade, by England, it would have been cut loose decades ago. But it isn't - quite the reverse, the pillage of Scotland is hidden by a mountain of bizarre accountancy tricks, including e.g. crediting Scots oil and gas to "ex regio", a "nowhere place", and for example, crediting whisky exports to London as Diageo is HQ-ed there; there is an entire industry involved in lying to cover up this theft. Scotland receives back as a block grant, only 55% of the revenue raised there - it's a ripoff and needs to stop.
ReplyDeleteMost english in Scotland are viciously bigoted ethno-nationalist supremacists aka little englanders, who believe Scotland is their possession. Civic nationalism is not for an invasive alien species. They are taking over Scotland, all the nice bits, and the natives are going to be left their own "bit", a gaza like strip along the M8 corridor.
The Anglo is a thief with a genetic desire to steal everything he can. When Scotland leaves, the pound drops to 80 cents, and they lose their seat on the security council.
More lies. The event will discuss Scotlands future and where it will be in 2050. Discussion will include independence. Why do you always have to lie? And you lifted your post right out of WOS, pretty much word for word. No surprise there. Troll.
ReplyDeleteAnon troll at 1.02pm cannae even address his post accurately. These numpty trolls really are pathetic. The only person lying is you troll and that is par for the course. My post is my own words.
DeleteWhy would Swinney discuss independence with Cherie Blair 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. ? Why would Swinney discuss independence with representatives of the Britnat John Smith organisation? It's laughable. They are more likely to tell him he will get a spot in the House of Lords for stalling independence.
Swinney refuses an independence convention. Another broken SNP promise. Yet he wants to attend a convention with the Britnats who are holding Scotland in a colonial grip. I doubt you anon troll at 1.02pm support independence but if you do you are seriously deluded and thick as a brick.
All very true and so very sad
DeleteIfs the unthinking troll from the Mearns or is it baurheid?
DeleteFrighteningly, there are still some complete simpletons on here who continue to also follow and believe that genocide denying, racist, apartheid Israeli regime supporting, Hillsborough victims blaming, Reform fan piece of Trash squatting in Bath.
DeleteThat type of garbage has no place in Scotland, let alone in our independence movement.
Should be surgically removed, like the scabs they really are.
IFS . The idiot’s idiot. Thank goodness he plays no part in the Indy process. His wee helpers are hanging on his every word. Virtual copy and paste from WOS tells us all we need to know. Jog on Troll boy.
DeleteThe numpty troll at 3.11pm from London or is it Hereford?
DeleteAnon troll at 3.21pm posting lies again. This Liar for Sturgeon has been challenged to prove his statements. Each time he runs away like the coward he is only to resurface again with more lies. This lowest of lowlifes trolls hiding in the anon crowd. A pathetic individual.
DeleteIFS. On here on a Friday night and Saturday night, spouting the same lies and crap. His hatred of N S is his life. On a slightly serious note you need to get a life outwith this bubble. It’s not real. You come across as a desperately sad and lonely wee man. Ask the rev out for a wee date. In the meantime a wee hint. Stop posting lies and crap and then denying it when it’s there in black and white. You appear half witted. But of course you are. The lesson endeth. Toddle off.
ReplyDeleteDavid at 12.02pm I know it's you posting your nasty stuff all the time as the same anon. You did it before you showed up as David Francis but you couldnae handle the heat and you are back to being anon. What I don't know is why you are so shy to say what your SNP branch is. Are you really in the SNP? If you are then I pity the others in your branch that have to spend time with you.
DeleteI challenged you David on numerous occasions to spell out these lies you claim I make but as ever you just run away like the coward you truly are.
No wonder approx 75,000 people have left the SNP with charmers like you about David.
Your trolling nonsense has zero effect on me.