Friday, May 9, 2025

Find Out Now! Find Out How? Find Out BLESS MY SACRED SOW! Farage on course for 10 Downing Street as apocalyptic poll gives Reform a huge double-digit lead

By any standards, this poll is a major landmark - Reform hadn't previously broken through the 30% threshold, but now they've absolutely smashed through it and reached 33%.

GB-wide voting intentions (Find Out Now, 7th May 2025):

Reform UK 33% (+4)
Labour 20% (-1)
Conservatives 16% (-3)
Liberal Democrats 15% (+2)
Greens 11% (-)
SNP 3% (-)
Plaid Cymru 1% (-)

20% returns Labour to their post-election low across all polling firms, but perhaps of greater significance this time is that 16% is a new post-election low for the Tories across all firms - and without trawling through the archives for the last century, I would guess it must be very close to their all-time low too.  The 3-point drop for the Tories is similar to the 4-point increase for Reform, so one possible interpretation is that the main impact of the local election results was to persuade a substantial chunk of the remaining Tory support to throw in their lot with Reform, who now have more than double the vote of the Tories.

There is of course a house effect at play here - Find Out Now have consistently been better for Reform and worse for Labour than most other pollsters.  So this poll shouldn't be taken to mean that other firms are likely to show Reform in the 30s or with double-digit leads.  But the broad direction of travel is consistent across all pollsters, and as in the recent YouGov poll, it looks like the Tories are now in severe danger of slipping into fourth place behind the Liberal Democrats.

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I'm aware that my devoted Somerset stalker had something of a prolonged 'emotional moment' about me last night (I'm touched, Stew!) and I'll hopefully find the time to respond in some detail later today.  But for now I just want to respond to one of my 'other' stalkers from the Stew Fan Club, the one and only Cath "Two Accounts" Ferguson, who seems more and more to be taking refuge in a world of sheer fantasy.

What on earth does this even mean?  Reform surging into second place in Holyrood polling, even if it turns out to be only temporary, is plainly a major story and I wouldn't be much of a polling blogger if I completely ignored it.  But I certainly haven't given any indication that it's a welcome development, because that's not what I believe.  What I do think, and I said this very recently, is that if the SNP leadership are determined to argue that a simple 50% + 1 majority is no longer enough to bring about independence and that we instead need some sort of overwhelming majority, then there's no point being squeamish about it - the only chance of that happening, in my view, is if some kind of major disruptive event occurs, and the only such event that realistically seems to be on the horizon is a Reform government that would pull Britain out of the European Convention on Human Rights.

But Reform moving into second place in Holyrood doesn't particularly assist that process.  At best there are pros and cons, and one of the major cons is that Reform are gobbling up a small but non-trivial percentage of the pro-indy vote, which will make it harder to produce a 50%+ combined vote for pro-indy parties in any plebiscite-type election.  So on balance it would be more optimal from a strategic point of view if no Reform surge was occurring in Scotland.

Where Cath seems to have totally lost touch with reality is in this nutty idea she's punting that the choice before independence supporters on the Holyrood list ballot is between Reform and Alba (!) and that people like me are part of some sort of pro-Reform conspiracy that will prevent Alba becoming the main opposition party.  Newsflash, Cath: barring miracles, Alba are not going to win any list seats at all, let alone get within light-years of becoming the main opposition party.  The last two polls have had them on 2% or 3% of the list vote, which is well below what they would need to win even one seat.

And second newsflash: I'm now an SNP member once again, and like the vast majority of SNP members I intend to vote SNP on both the list and constituency ballots.  Why on earth would we vote Reform, a party opposed to pretty much everything we believe in (with the possible exception of proportional representation)?  Under the AMS voting system the list vote is the more important vote, so SNP members will vote SNP on the list, Green members will vote Green on the list, and those who are content to pointlessly throw their votes away will, I suppose, vote Alba on the list.  This isn't rocket science.

Oh, and as I've gently pointed out many, many times - if Alba actually wanted my support on the list, it might have been an idea not to expel me.  You know, just sayin'.

72 comments:

  1. But James, it's not about you actually voting FOR Reform on the list. If, as expected, the SNP win a large number of constituency seats, then by voting SNP on the list you are effectively allowing Reform to pick up a fair number of list seats. Is this what you want?

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    1. That statement is about as meaningful as "Anon, by eating Crunchy Nut Corn Flakes, you are effectively causing the brutal murder of monks in Monaco. Is that what you want? Well? Is it? ANSWER! ANSWER!"

      Back on Planet Reality, no, voting SNP on the list does not "allow Reform to pick up a fair number of list seats". Step away from the Stew brainwashing, and go read a book or learn to count or something.

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    2. And 3% is Alba,which also is not enough for list seats. So the only realistic option for Indy list seats are the Greens

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    3. That is the Greens, especially if the Tories go below 10% as some polls are saying, there are chances of even two list seats in some regions

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    4. Seems the Greens are the best 2nd option by a mile. I know that doesn't please the folk who believe in the AlbanIst doctrine but the fact is that Greens are better placed and people dont like Regans Reform leanings.

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    5. People surely remember the Greens influence when they were part of the Government though? Probably the most incompetent period in the Scottish Parliaments recent history and a massive factor in the popularity hit the SNP took leading into the General Election last year.

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    6. I've had to delete a large number of comments on this thread from Wings and Alba propagandists. I'm afraid there is no free licence here for people to spread misinformation about how the voting system works. And there's no point in trying to pull rank on me in terms of expertise - I've written extensively on the subject of the Additional Member System over a period of more than a decade. I know how it works inside out, and the idea that there is some sort of ingenious way of "hacking the system" simply by voting Alba is what is technically known as complete and utter bollocks.

      In 2021, the SNP won two list seats and Alba won zero. Alba's popularity has not increased since then. The chance of wasting your list vote if you vote Alba is close to 100%, but for the SNP it's lower than that. For the Greens it's much lower, so if anyone was going to muck around with "tactical voting on the list", the Greens would clearly be the best option, but I still wouldn't advise it, because the risks of it backfiring are too high.

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    7. Alba win a seat in 2026. 🤣

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    8. I know. Bless.

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    9. Never stop being such a hilarious coward, Jimbo.

      The entire point is that people who want a pro-indy majority SHOULD vote for other indy parties on the list. If they don't want to take that advice, fine, but that's what the advice should be.

      - If they vote SNP, their vote will DEFINITELY be wasted and Unionists will be elected. We know this.

      - If they don't vote Alba/Green/whoever with their second vote, and rely on other people to do it instead, Unionists will be elected. We know this too.

      - But if they vote for non-SNP indy parties, those parties WILL win seats. So if you care about a pro-indy majority, tell people to vote SNP 1 Other indy 2. You can't MAKE them do it, but you can be truthful and tell them it's the only way to keep those Unionists out.

      Personally I *don't* care about it - the SNP aren't pro-indy and need to be destroyed and replaced if we're to make any progress towards indy ever again. That's my long-term goal and I make no bones about it. I've said it on my website over and over and over again, and I find it incredibly funny that you keep screaming it like you've discovered something secret.

      But YOU claim that you DO care about a pro-indy majority next year, which makes you a liar and a hypocrite as well as a coward. SNP 1+2 guarantees 40-50 Unionist MSPs, with most likely to be Reform. You don't need to endorse Alba, you could just tell people to vote Green 2. And me and Chris McEleny would both really HATE loads more Green MSPs being elected, so big double win for you! Pro-indy majority AND we're pissed off!

      But you're too insane with demented hatred to even recognise that blindingly obvious fact. You're a tragic, broken shambles of a man and I honestly just pity you and your increasingly desperate and unsuccessful attempts to get people to pay you for your rants, when even the woeful Bella Caledonia can raise 10 times as much from their micro-audience.

      I don't pity you enough to stop taking the piss, obviously. But still quite a lot. Ciao! xx

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    10. Christopher McElenyMay 9, 2025 at 4:12 PM

      Very true. You and I could cure Malaria and JK Moaning would still find a way to criticise us for it.

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    11. In any other situation, I would assume that was a satirical Christopher McEleny, but you're such a fanboy of Stew that I totally believe you would turn up here for real within half an hour of him posting here and giving you a mention within his foul-mouthed rant.
      "He...knows...who...I...am..."

      I promise you, MD, that if you ever start doing something useful with your life, and certainly if you cure malaria, I'll give you all the credit you could ever want. But did you really expect anyone to give you credit for the bullying and the vote-rigging and the purges and the nepotism and the sleaze and the corruption? Perhaps you did.

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    12. this "revstu" is dave francis and I claim my 10 pounds

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    13. people can slag off bella caledonia all they want, but when independence needs a workshop on racism and diverse dub poets to get it over the line, they will be there

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    14. Alba is full of rejects who failed vetting or selection in the SNP (Corri/Cullen - brief example). They are now desperate to get their snouts in the trough on the coattails of SNP on the list vote on this delusion they will deliver independence. Ooft… jog on chancers SNP1&2

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    15. Without trying to make any kind of political analogy I would like to mention that boycotting Nestlé products is a moral position, and if enough people did that to actually affect Nestlé it would be a net good for the world and humanity.

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  2. You are being overly polite. She is lying. An interesting aside. You refer to Reform support for PR. That was their position until now. It was a position based not on principle, but on a desire for more seats as a minority party. Their current level of support will see them ditch PR and stick with FPTP if it delivers them a Westminster majority. You read that here first.

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  3. The Rev is at it again. What is truly astonishing is that the mouth frothers will accept what he now says, even though he himself said, in print, on his own blog what he now denies saying. He has form in this of course. And as a self confessed advocate of unionist parties, we know the default position is one of disinformation, denial and sometimes outright lies. But if it gets the frothers frothing and the cash a rollin in, job done.

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    1. I think the wingers just have a thing with small men and beards. Each to their own.

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    2. saves me a few quid anyway

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    3. Let's face it, Campbell and his disciples aren't the full shilling.

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    4. the SNP can tell you all about shills

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    5. 10.18am - I can see your mouth frothing as it dribbles down your shirt.

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  4. The poll of polls (graph) on the Wiki page for Westminster voting intention is approximately as follows:
    RefUK 28.5%, Lab 23%, Con 18%, LibDem 14%, Green 9.5%.
    Plug these numbers into the Electoral Calculus algorithm, and RefUK come out with an overall majority of eight.
    Seat projection: RefUK 329, Lab 161, LibDem 62, SNP 36, Con 32, Plaid 4, others 4.

    On the electoral map, north of the border, Labour appear reasonably certain of two seats (Ian Murray, and the Western Isles), the Tories keep one seat (Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk). Otherwise, the turquoise of RefUK stops abruptly at the Tweed / Solway line, and the north of England is a sea of RefUK redoubts.

    This is the graphic equivalent of the Brexit map. Scotland is clearly differentiated from our neighbour. Sturgeon couldn’t or wouldn’t capitalise on that opportunity, and dae nuthin’ Swinney won’t be any different.

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    1. In the real world the Western Isles haven't suddenly become some sort of impregnable Labour stronghold.

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    2. Ignorant IslanderMay 9, 2025 at 12:25 PM

      What ferry scandal affected the Western Isles. I live here and seem to have missed it. Also didn't realise the SNP were operating ferries. I thought it was Macbraynes. Thanks for metrosplaining yo me.

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    3. Some folk think Arran is in Ireland!!

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    4. On the topic of ferries, anybody heard a recent update on when Glen Rosa’s likely to enter service on the Arran route?

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    5. Some folk think Arran is in the Western Isles.

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    6. Fragrant JonquilMay 9, 2025 at 4:35 PM

      "On Arran". Is that like I live "on Great Britain"? Or just a hint that Jimmy isn't from Lamlash, any other island and probably not this country despite the "fae" slipped in for tartan flavouring.

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    7. 2.56 MV Glen Rosa is due to enter service in September only seven years late, although there are strong suggestions in the maritime press that early 2026 is a more realistic timeframe.
      All the ScotGov has to do then is nationalise Adrossan harbour and redevelop it so it can take the two new large ferries.
      MV Glen Sannox is running fine. Except for an intermittent fault with the on board lifts and a localised and undiagnosed vibration issue which caused a crack in the hull.
      Consider yourself updated.

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    8. Anon@5:13,
      Thanks for the update. Good she’s going to be in service soon.
      Hopefully we can then finally draw a line under this debacle.

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    9. Anon at 9.56. Go find out for yourself dick head, and stop boring everyone.

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    10. we need a workshop full of diverse voice to solve the ferries problem

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  5. Your analysis ignores the inconvenient fact that a Reform/Far Right Ultra English Nationalist government will after leaving the ECHR will repeal the Scotland Act and deestablish the Scottish Parliament. The situation then reverts to the pre-1997
    setup with the Scottish Office in full control.

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    1. Alba's Mike Dailly will be applauding if that happens. Direct rule from London is exactly what he's calling for.

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    2. Mike must be pals with Ian Murray ?

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    3. I wouldn't lick their headstones if they were draped in maple syrup.

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    4. Anon at 2.49 .... How do you drape something in maple syrup? And why maple syrup?

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  6. I agree that Reform could take some pro Indy voters, but if they damage both Labour and the Conservatives, this can be an advantage for the SNP, because of how the electoral system works.
    A fragmented unionist opposition can deliver more list seats for the SNP rather than having Labour and Tories both over 20% of the votes, I've studied the mechanism and so the list vote for the SNP is as important as the constituency vote this time

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    1. even in that case, if unionist parties are smaller, some list seats can go to the SNP

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    2. If someone votes Reform they are not pro indy or pro Scots.

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    3. If someone votes Reform then they need their head examined.

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  7. “Ride me sideways” as Mrs Doyle would say.
    Techne, Westminster voting intention, field work 7 - 8 May, sample population 1,635.
    Lab 23%, Con 19%, RefUK 28%, LibDem 14%, Green 8%.
    RefUK up 5% on previous Techne polls.

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  8. Some SNP supporters may vote Reform to give Swinney a short sharp shock.

    No need to panic unless Reform start getting close to the 35% mark in the UK polls.

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    1. Health warning: rage bait post above

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    2. anon 125- I think you wrote the same with previous FM's. We see you britnat.

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    3. Correction: some Alba supporters may vote Reform.

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    4. Who did Farage want as First Minister again?

      Hint: Has the initials JS.

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    5. Anon at 3.12. You made that up. Why does lying come so easily to the SNP Baaab/unionist brigade?

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    6. REFORM UK would rather have the SNP in power at Holyrood next year than back Anas Sarwar's Labour, Nigel Farage has said.

      Farage's comments contradict his deputy Richard Tice, who said last November that "anything is preferable to the SNP", as the Reform leader said there would be no deal with Sarwar after next year's Holyrood election.

      Farage said that any Reform MSPs would not endorse Sarwar under any circumstances.

      Reacting to Farage’s comments, Scottish Labour’s deputy leader Jackie Baillie has accused the SNP and Reform of being “two peas in a pod”.

      She said: “This comment from Nigel Farage tells you everything you need to know — a vote for Reform is a vote for the SNP.

      “The truth is that Reform and the SNP are two peas in a pod, both using the politics of grievance to stoke division and divide communities. Reform isn’t going to stand up to the SNP, they are going to help them back into power.”

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    7. Baillie. Recognised as the most untruthful politician in Scotland. Caught saying contradictory things to two different audiences hours apart on more than one occasion. Undue for public office in every sense of the word.

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  9. James makes the point about house effects and Find Out Now. Fair. Applies to all pollsters.

    Beyond that, there’s a debate about the credibility of Find Out Now, see Ballot Box Scotland commentary.

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    1. And see my lengthy reply to Ballot Box Scotland that I posted at the start of the year. You can't just "blacklist" an entire polling company, as he has done, because you "have a feeling" that the numbers don't look right.

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  10. I am an SNP activist. I would give Alba my second vote if they could get their act together and start showing that they actually do want to move forward constructively to work and co-operate with the SNP. The Greens got my second vote in 2021. I am loathe to give it to them next time.

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    1. Like Kenny MacAskill writing a letter to John Swinney proposing a meeting of all the respective leaders to discuss and hopefully chart a clear direction of travel towards independence?

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    2. Maybe he should send a letter to his boss Taz to check if that was ok.

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    3. Anon at 4.49.What do Alba bring to the table ? Nepotism, scandal and corruption? Undemocratic practices? Nah. I think we will pass.

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    4. "Undemocratic practices!"

      Rather poor timing to say that...

      NEW: SNP national secretary accused of 'threatening' members amid claims of 'stitch up' in MSP candidate contest.

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    5. What do Alba bring to the table? Not voters anyway.

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    6. Anon at 7.13. We are talking about Alba. Stick to the subject although I understand why you might not want to.

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    7. Anon at 7.13. Accusations and claims? Any actual proof or evidence of this SNP Baaaad narrative? Alba are condemned by their own words and actions. Stop blaming and pointing fingers at others and start asking why you support Alba.

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  11. Wings is a spent force.

    Only ardent unionists and some imbeciles on the extreme fringe of the yes movement even give him the time of day.

    Sad to watch someone who was really helpful to our side of the fence turn so quickly into a bitter twisted obsessive whose only purpose now seems to be to try and destroy the SNP.

    Campbell is riddled with his own issues.
    That much is very obvious.

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  12. SNP’s national secretary Alex Kerr - the SNP equivalent of Chris McEleny

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    1. SNP Baaaaad? Jog on and give us all peace dickhead.

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  13. Another double digit lead for RefUK and another breach of the 30% barrier.
    BMG Research, Westminster voting intention, field work 6 - 8 May, sample population 1,525.
    Lab 22%, Con 19%, RefUK 32%, LibDem 13%, Green 9%

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  14. Lol.
    Who the f#ck would be jealous of the Bath twat?

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  15. farage has been debunked - he is a deepfake that someone did as a photoshop filter

    does not exist

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  16. Trump will soon crash and burn and Farage will be found in the ashes.

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