Some more details have just been released from the new Survation poll, commissioned by True North Advisers and the Holyrood Sources podcast. For my money the most interesting result is on the question of who the public want to see as the next SNP leader, which as far as I can recall hasn't been asked by any polling firm since John Swinney took over.
Who is your preferred candidate for SNP leader after John Swinney?
Kate Forbes 25%
Stephen Flynn 13%
Neil Gray 4%
MÃ iri McAllan 4%
Jenny Gilruth 3%
In other circumstances it might have been possible to say that Kate Forbes is being flattered at this stage by her higher profile - after all, she's the current Deputy First Minister and has stood for the leadership before. But given Stephen Flynn's prominence during the televised debates for the general election, it would be hard to argue that he's significantly less well known than Ms Forbes, and there are numbers elsewhere in the poll that broadly demonstrate that. 16% of respondents don't know who Mr Flynn is, compared to 9% for Ms Forbes. So it does look like the public are expressing a genuine preference for Ms Forbes over Mr Flynn on a relatively level playing field.
Of course Ms Forbes was posting similarly impressive numbers with the public during the 2023 leadership election, but Humza Yousaf was able to argue that it didn't matter because he often had the lead among actual SNP voters. Can Stephen Flynn claim a similar alibi this time? It's certainly not straightforward for him to do that, because there are six different samples of "SNP voters" in this poll, and Kate Forbes is ahead in three of them, with Mr Flynn ahead in the other three. Ms Forbes has the lead among people who actually voted SNP in both the constituency and list ballots of the 2021 Holyrood election, and among people who plan to vote SNP on the Holyrood list ballot in 2026. But Mr Flynn has the lead among people who voted SNP in the 2024 Westminster election, and among those who plan to vote SNP in the next Westminster election, and also among those who plan to vote SNP in the 2026 Holyrood constituency ballot. So that muddies the waters a bit, but it still leaves Kate Forbes with the clearest-cut bragging rights as the public's choice.
One thing is for sure - any project to build up a non-Flynn alternative to Kate Forbes has completely and utterly failed, and it looks highly likely that if there had been, for example, a Kate Forbes v Neil Gray leadership election last year, Ms Forbes would have won handsomely.
There's also another question that I haven't seen asked for a very, very long time, which is a multi-option question about who would be the best First Minister - and on past form that ought to be more predictive of the Holyrood election result than the net ratings for leaders that we see much more commonly.
Looking ahead to the Scottish Parliament elections in 2026 who, in your view, would make the best First Minister of Scotland?
John Swinney (SNP) 25%
Anas Sarwar (Labour) 16%
Russell Findlay (Conservatives) 10%
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Liberal Democrats) 7%
That could well be curtains for Labour, because it's hard to see how they'll overcome the unpopularity of the Starmer administration in London with a Scottish branch leader who is himself significantly less popular than the SNP leader. And I'm sure we're all utterly baffled that Alex Cole-Hamilton's self-styled "fast bowling" is failing to pick up any wickets. Maybe it's time to return to the tried and tested "Calypso Cricket" of Willie Rennie?
There are traditional net ratings in the poll as well, which are also very favourable for the SNP...
Net ratings of Holyrood leaders:
John Swinney (SNP): -1
Kate Forbes (SNP): -2
Russell Findlay (Conservatives): -7
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Liberal Democrats): -9
Anas Sarwar (Labour): -12
Ash Regan (Alba): -14
Patrick Harvie / Lorna Slater (Greens): -18
Net ratings of Westminster leaders:
Ed Davey (Liberal Democrats): -3
Stephen Flynn (SNP): -5
Carla Denyer / Adrian Ramsay (Greens): -10
Kemi Badenoch (Conservatives): -17
Keir Starmer (Labour): -23
Nigel Farage (Reform UK): -26
This should be some kind of corrective for those who think Reform are breaking through in the same way in Scotland that they are further south. Farage's GB-wide personal ratings have tended to be significantly better than that of late.
There's also an interesting question that offers a twist on the familiar question of whether the Scottish Government or the UK Government should have the most influence on the way Scotland is run, because local councils are offered as a third option. As usual, the Scottish Government is the runaway winner, with local councils trailing in a poor third place with just 9% support. Not much comfort there for Labour politicians who think that "elected Mayors" are suddenly going to capture the public imagination and replace Holyrood in voters' affections.
Respondents were asked which party they trust most to stand up for Scotland interests. 33% said the SNP and 16% said Labour. Just 2% said Alba, even though Alba seem to have been offered as one of the main menu of options.
Only 21% are satisfied with the performance of the UK Labour government, with 53% dissatisfied. 26% think the UK Labour government's performance makes it more likely that Scottish Labour will be the largest party after the Holyrood election (why?!) and 41% think it makes it less likely.
The headline Holyrood voting intention numbers are very close to the estimates I published yesterday, although there are a couple of minor differences, and the seats projection is a smidgeon better for the pro-indy side. The SNP and Greens in combination have 63 seats, with unionist parties on 66 seats.
Could it be that about 40% didn't trust any party to stand up for Scotland's interests?
ReplyDeleteYes, quite.
DeletePlus all of the net ratings of Holyrood - and Westminster - leaders are in the red.
Hardly a raging democratic endorsement of those that purport to represent us.
I'm not very fond of Stephen Flynn though apparently he thinks very highly of me. And Neil Gray is the guy who thinks it's OK to use taxpayer funded limos to take him and his family and friends to his football matches, and should hare resigned or been sacked, plus repaying the cost in full to the Consolidated Fund.
ReplyDeleteBreaking news from Idiot For Scotland. Zzzzzz
DeleteHave to say that I've been a little disappointed by Kate Forbes of late.
ReplyDeleteShe's obtained the nickname 'Freeport Forbes' and hasn't addressed her part in that issue. Also when directly asked about independence strategy she just word salad waffled on about 'generating hope'.
She and maybe even Stephen Flynn would probably be a decent First Minister of a devolved Scottish Parliament. But from a pro-independence perspective we obviously need a little more than just being good at maintaining the status quo.
The need to have an involvement in the freeport process and not allow the unionists free rein has been explained time and again. You are either not prepared to listen or too stupid to understand.
DeleteI like Kate, but I dinnae like you, 133. Talk to people like that and you should expect a slap, not applause!
DeleteOooh a keyboard hard man!! Grow up muppet. People post crap, they get called out. Go elsewhere if you can’t cope.
DeleteInteresting poll and pretty good news for both Swinney and SNP.
ReplyDeleteI think Flynn's more subdued ratings mostly stem from the fact that he has lost his 'third place' visibility at WM PMQs each week and also that he now does not get invited onto TV and Radio panel and talk shows nearly as often as he did, prior to the last GE.
He has become 'the invisible man' to a great extent, whereas Forbes is seen much more prominently in HR and in Scottish political media generally.
Flynn also shot himself in at least one foot, with the MP/MSP thing.
This poll is disastrous in so many ways for Labour and Sarwar, who must have already measured himself up for the FM Chair up here!
He certainly ain't getting it on these projections and, as I posted yesterday, UK Labour look poised to take even more 'difficult decisions' which will batter disabled people and go down like a bowl of cold sick with most Scots - and also make Sarwar's life even more miserable, however he tries to play his response.
Remembering how Farage was literally chased out of Glasgow previously, great to see he is still regarded as a Fascist SLUG by most Scots and I look forward to him getting chased out of Scotland once again, if he ever slimes his way up here.
As usual, Alba are a complete and utter irrelevance to most Scots.
You belittle Alba more than you go after Unionists.
DeleteUtter garbage.
DeleteI just devoted 122 words to 'go after unionists' and only 12 talking about Alba.
And saying that Alba are a complete and utter irrelevance to most Scots is not 'belittling' - it is a FACT.
Wasnt it Edinburgh where Farage was chased?
DeleteYup. The Canon's Gait. I was there. It was a fine sunny day.
DeleteHe was harried and harrassed in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen, as far as I recall.
DeleteYou get some posters on SGP who never have a paragraph break and then you have David Francis who loves a paragraph break more than he loves Scottish independence.
DeleteThe issue for the SNP is they are a party on the right, centre and left. You need an unbelievable amount of skill to hold a collective like that together. Whatever people think of Salmond and Sturgeon they managed to do that successfully for the most part. Swinney is managing to do the same. Probably to everyone's surprise.
ReplyDeleteRightly or wrongly Forbes just won't be able to do that unless she backtracks on some of her social views.
Flynn for all his faults might be the only one who can appeal to both sides of the party. Not the most popular but the one the most people can live with.
Social views? She is as entitled to her beliefs (one’s I fundamentally disagree with) as anyone else. WTF are you to decide what is an acceptable belief and what is not. Arrogant and ignorant. She is the best politician in Scotland by a country mile.
DeleteTriggered much? And you don't get to hide behind religion as an excuse. As for best politician she messed up her leadership challenge by not being able to communicate how her personal views could align with modern society. Abortion and marriage just to name two. It's not someone having different views on what is a acceptable, its the law she is out of step with.
DeleteAnon at 4.13. You are expressing your opinion. I and many others disagree with it. She held senior positions in SG without her personal beliefs interfering. The unionists inserted this issue into the debate, aided by useful idiots. Kate Forbes is the best we have by a country mile. She is not out of step with any law, unless you can provide explicit factual statements of things she has actually done that break the law. In your own time.
DeleteStill waiting anon at 4.13. Unless you were posting untruthful bullshit? That explains it.
DeleteShe literally doesn't believe in marriage between people of the same sex. That's out of step with the law.
DeleteThat was easy.
That’s not what was asked for. Read it again more slowly. Give an example of her doing something that breaks the law. You have not done that yet, so still waiting.
DeleteI just can't see Forbes doing it. The whole Christian thing, unfairly, is what most people I know about her.
ReplyDeleteI don't think either of them are The One, truth be told.
I will gung ho support anyone, though.
A 2-1 lead for Forbes suggests she's as close to being "The One" as you're ever going to find among this generation of SNP politicians.
DeleteI mean the one to take us to independence James. Not the best of a crop of here and now.
DeleteSorry meant to add, I don't think people are "put off" so much as don't have a strong opinion. The poll includes don't know.
DeleteThat's prob where I would place my X as well.
People who do not like her beliefs are arrogant and ignorant. Who are they to tell us what is acceptable?
DeleteIt is arrogant and ignorant not to find creationism acceptable? That's one of the dictats of her church of choice. I wouldn't like to see the results of Forbes being interviewed about that subject - it would put her at odds with a lot of the school curriculum.
DeleteNo to your first question. But it is arrogant and ignorant to dictate what beliefs are and are not acceptable. That is what you are doing. Who do you think you are to do that? . If you cannot see through the unionist ploy here you are part of the problem.
DeleteLthough I had a preference for KF over HY, I've watched her speak on policy areas in the last couple of months and I've been disappointed with how little depth she seems to have in areas where I know about the topic professionally. While I don't expect politicians to be experts I do expect them to get basics right and represent challenges and uncertainties honestly, even when I know it's likely a briefing prepared for them.
DeleteHellooooo. Any specifics yet? Or just made up bullshit from you?
DeleteI think Flynn has more about him. He'd be my choice.
ReplyDeleteOne thing he's got about him is abrasiveness, and that may be what's putting the public off.
DeleteI know who Steven Flynn is, but I fear that he is the type of person who would buy packet risotto rather than make his own from scratch. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad person, simply one that does not appeal to me.
DeleteNurse!
DeleteHere we go. New leader for snp campaign!! Who does this benefit? I may be wrong but maybe some stability is what we need more, but more importantly the country needs. I.e Scotland. Either way the SNP party members decide not ifs or Yi2 or even ALBA.
ReplyDelete"Here we go. New leader for snp campaign!!"
DeleteEh? It's not a "campaign", it's an opinion poll.
Anon at 11.31: Who should be the next First Minister of Scotland is ultimately a matter for all of the people of Scotland, so you can just ditch your little attitude problem right here, right now.
DeleteAnon at 11.31 - never mind. Better luck next time for the queue for brains.
DeleteAnon 11.31am the party members did not have a vote to elect Swinney. They were told he was the new leader! So who decided Swinney was to be leader?
DeleteAnon at 9.17. Was he standing next to you? Sounds like it.
DeleteWould be interesting to see the same poll conducted with "Don't know" as an option. As not really knowing who some of these people are could explain their rating.
ReplyDelete??????
DeleteOf course Don't Know was an option, it always is.
I hope they had more than two alternatives. Anything else is just plain dodgy. It's all a big con.
DeleteThe one thing I hope happens in 2026: Inject some talent into Holyrood.
ReplyDeleteIt's becoming increasingly more difficult to see any serious future leaders among our currently elected politicians.
Compared to where, exactly?
DeleteThe kid-on, toy-town, laughing-stock, tenth-rate mess at WM with Starmer, Reeves, Badenoch and Farage???
Get real.
After Alex Salmond & Nicola Sturgeon (Like or loath either, both were incredibly effective leaders, orators and debaters) everyone we've have had since has paled in comparison and everyone else being suggested as future options don't come anywhere close.
DeleteIf we want big constitutional change to happen we will need a leader who has the same skills they had. Someone strong enough to take on the British establishment and outmaneuver them on political strategy.
12.53
DeleteTotally right. They're all well off it.
Gray, McAllan and Gilruth 11%. I hope that's Unionists making trouble. If not it's scary that people think any of those would be suitable.
ReplyDeleteThe Farage rating is a big improvement on last summer’s Survation when he was -42
ReplyDeleteJenny or Marie are two that could see off Reform who are building their infrastructure for the Scot election in 2026.
DeleteOnce Reform start campaigning in earnest the numbers could change a lot.
Swinney has to much to fix before 2026.
Flynn doesn't believe that the Scottish are sovereign in their own land.
ReplyDeleteForbes offers 'hope' as the route to Independence.
What a sorry pair of would-be liberators for this country.
Whereas Anonymous at 12:42 PM offers a load of dribbling tripe
DeleteThey are not liberators. They are infiltrators.
DeleteI listened to Kate Forbes when she stood for the leradership of the SNP.She offered considerably more than hope.She offered a clear strategy that involved explaining the relationship of independence to everything that was important to voters,as well as working to gether with all parts of the independence movement.I agree with her.
ReplyDeleteWhat was that strategy?
DeleteI listened to her as well and she tended to just say that we needed to move on from process without going into much detail for what that actually meant in practice (not to mention that the process is sorta important).
Kate Forbes is to strategy what Donald Trump is to diplomacy.
ReplyDeleteMeaningless comment. Grow up or GTF.
DeleteGTF? Glorify Turquoise Finches?
DeleteFunny in your head? Meds need adjusted? Mummy says Bed time for you.
DeleteSalmond as FM was able to run a successful government on a day to day basis ( simoultaneously he was able to formulate a strategy to move us to independence) . The electorate were given that opportunity in 2014 and unfortunately believed the media propaganda that we were “ better together” . Ten years on and ( there is worse to come under London rule) that looks to have been a significant mistake , with our citizens stripped of EU citizenship and living standards plummeting under Westminster rule .
ReplyDeleteSturgeon had no strategy for delivering independence and unless Kate Forbes can combine successful day to day competent government with a STRATEGY to DELIVER independence then Our destiny is decreasing living standards under the Westminster wafflers who always talk a good game but always fail to deliver .
No idea why James is so enamoured with Forbes when he probably disagrees with most things she stands for. Maybe it's just 'whoever's top of the pops'
ReplyDeleteI mean, if the meltdown of Yousaf's leadership wasn't enough to demonstrate to you why it would have been better if Forbes had become leader, there's very little I can do to help you.
DeletePersonal beliefs are not relevant. You are a great example of cognitive dissonance on steroids.
DeleteStop taking them is my advice
DeleteYou seem to struggle with understanding sentences. Try harder. Silly billy. Things that are funny in your head often aren’t funny in print. Type them out, leave them for a day, read them again and if they are still funny, post them. Otherwise, bin them. P S Refrain from the obvious retorts. They are boring. Glad to help. Night.
DeleteO/T but Campbell is on full on misogynistic hate NS mode over on Wings. Must need a top up to the bank account. Mouth frothers loving it. How sad he is, how sad they are. Sad.
ReplyDeleteI read one of his recent articles in which he simply compared a list of pledges - made by the FFM - with their respective outcomes (https://wingsoverscotland.com/nicolas-non-truths/).
DeleteThe broken promises listed are merely fact.
The fact that Nicola Sturgeon is a woman does not feature in the article and there is no misogynistic references or content.
Multiple photos of? Oh a woman, and unionist sources? Nah. He is what he is. You are comfortable with it. His hatred of N S is palpable. Your problem. Own it.
DeleteIf he does hate her it is clearly to do with the multiple deceptions that she has been responsible, nothing to do with her sex.
DeleteThe reportage is factual regardless of the source e.g. The second referendum - did we have that? The public energy company - have we got one? Etcetera.
Unlike you I live in the real world. Events,……..events. Grow up. Come on into the real world. The reportage (cut and paste) is largely opinion and biased unionist interpretation of events. You lap it up. Your choice.
DeleteFacts are chiels that winna ding. Address the specifics.
DeleteYawn. Your quote of the decade is it? Go away and ask someone to explain the difference between unionist media opinion (heavily biased at that) and fact. You are quite stupid. Johnson did the same with Latin phrases. You are a well matched pair of arseholes.
DeleteStupid and sad people who cannae read and cannae differentiate between fact and opinion. You can always tell all the SNP loyalists they cannae dispute the evidence so resort to childish name calling. It’s obvious to any sentient being that Sturgeon made a whole host of promises and didn’t deliver on them. It’s an arguable point as to whether it’s fair to call her a liar. It’s my opinion Sturgeon is a liar based on the evidence.
DeleteAt least you’ve taken my advice and dropped the quote nonsense. Now all you need to do is understand the important difference flagged up earlier. Off you go and give it a try. And no name calling here. Statements of fact. You, from your own mouth, are rather stupid, and you and Johnson are both arseholes. No one seems to disagree. Toddle off back to WOS. That’s more your level.
DeleteAnon 5pm toddle off back to the nursery. That’s your level.
DeleteKate Forbes leader of anything but a church is as dead as 1.5 C.
ReplyDeleteYou are a bigoted arsehole. Away back to Alba.
DeleteAlba people are generally favourable towards Forbes though? Yousaf was really the only one they didn't support in the last proper contest.
DeleteNo, I'm anti bigot, which is why people with such obscure views as Forbes should not be leading Scotland.
DeleteAnti bigot? Laughable. Own your comments. It’s obvious what you are.
DeleteDo you think it is because she is taller than him withought his high heels?
ReplyDeleteOuch! ....lol
DeletePersonal preference of course but I would still pick Flynn over Forbes. Yes, he screwed up trying to parachute himself into HR. That act alone was stupid and indefensible. But, I don't mind my politicians being abrasive. I like them to get under the skin of our opponents and Flynn has certainly done that at WM. He does have a certain presence which I'm afraid Kate Forbes will never have.
ReplyDeleteKF burst onto the scene as a very capable stand in to deliver the budget at short notice. I think people got a bit carried away with that and immediately labelled her as a future leader, which she's never lived up to in my opinion.
Intelligent, trustworthy and honest certainly, but a leading politician should grab your attention and she just doesn't tbh. She has a very earnest way of saying not very much.
Tbh couldn't all of that also been said about Angus Robertson a few years ago?
DeleteFair point. Robertson was also highly rated until he became embroiled in various avoidable gaffes. We're not exactly spoiled for choice these days though are we? I mean, Macallan and Gilruth! Seriously!?
DeleteIt's much easier being a SNP MP than a MSP. Robertson and Flynn benefited/benefit from not being accountable the same way the governing party in Holyrood are.
DeleteWhat's interesting though is John Curtice was saying Flynn still more popular with SNP members than Forbes but it was close. Maybe tables James hasn't had access too.
I doubt that, I'd be amazed if Survation had a subsample of SNP members, and even if they did, it must have been tiny. Well under 2% of the adult population are SNP members. Professor Curtice was probably talking about one of the subsamples of SNP voters that I mentioned in the blogpost.
DeleteBreaking news: The West has finally decided that enough Palestinians have died to slake Israel's thirst for revenge.
ReplyDeleteI expect Starmer will claim it is a Brit foreign office success story. So many people killed and it didn’t have to be that way.
ReplyDeleteI prefer Forbes as she has Christian values.
ReplyDeleteZzzzzzz. Away back to bigotland ya muppet.
DeleteLovely christian values like slavery, keeping concubines and not eating surf 'n' turf? Sounds good.
DeleteTo you? Probably does. Saddo
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DeleteBigot: One who is prejudiced against or antagonist towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Like you just were, anon 7.17 PM
STV have just broadcast a Slab party political (at least...I think thats what it purports to be) no doubt BBC Scotlandshire are about to do the same on Ch1.
ReplyDeleteProf Robertson (Talking up Scotland) will have a'field-day' ripping it apart .
I follow "Nat" Pravda
ReplyDeleteDown to Jackson's Park
Trying to hear the wind of changes.
It's just another night,
Apparatchiks grifting by,
I try to hear the wind of changes...
[*Whistling in the dark*]
Take me to the Wee True Dugger site...
Off meds again?
DeleteNo, just off message.
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ReplyDeleteIt'll be a bad day for Scotland if that neo-liberal asset stripper becomes leader of the SNP
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