Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election (Norstat / Sunday Times, 4th-6th December 2024):
SNP 31% (+1)
Labour 20% (-3)
Reform UK 15% (+1)
Conservatives 14% (-1)
Liberal Democrats 9% (-1)
Greens 6% (-)
According to David, the seats projection is as follows -
SNP 44, Liberal Democrats 6, Conservatives 5, Labour 2
That would effectively put July's general election result into complete reverse, and restore both the SNP and Labour to roughly where they were at the time of the 2019 election - which of course was a landslide for the SNP and an unmitigated catastrophe for Labour. The 2024 outcome would be left looking like a historical blip, whereas Labour had been complacently assuming that the SNP's wins in 2015, 2017 and 2019 were going to be remembered as the aberrations. However, there's a very, very, very long way to go before we see if the reversal actually happens.
Although the SNP's lead is handsome, it has to be said that it's not quite as impressive as the Holyrood constituency numbers from the same poll, which have the SNP in the high 30s, with a sixteen point advantage over Labour. The swing to the SNP at Westminster since the previous Norstat poll (2%) is lower than the equivalent swing on the Holyrood constituency ballot (3%).
Also of note is that Reform have overtaken the Tories in Scotland for the first time, although the two parties were level in the Norstat poll in August.
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I got the figures from the site - 'Stats for Lefties' which I follow on twitter.
ReplyDeleteThey have previously proven to be extrenely accurate in their info and I have no doubt they are this time as well.
In that case they shouldn't be regarded as definitive, because John Curtice usually does the seats projections for Sunday Times polls, and they tend to differ slightly from prediction websites.
DeleteTime will obviously tell, but that site's accuracy is usually very good.
DeleteI don't think you're following what I mean. Stats 4 Lefties does its own projections, so it's unlikely to match up exactly with John Curtice's projection for the Sunday Times (if he did one).
DeleteAnybody that takes this seat prediction seriously has to be a sandwich short of the full picnic.
ReplyDeleteWelcome to first-past-the-post, KC. It's the real deal, I do assure you. Can I sign you up for the campaign for electoral reform now?
DeleteDo you know in the Lords you get 300 pounds and a beefybake. Not quite the full picnic but such is life
DeleteSo not only do we have to obey the laws Ian Botham passes, we have to pay him for the privilege too.
DeletePlease elaborate. Unless of course you are talking shit and are a sad wee unionist lickspittle.
DeleteSorry, are you under the impression that Beefy is some sort of SNP supporter?
DeleteClass how Beefy will sort it all out. We don't need to worry our weary heads.
ReplyDeleteCheers beefy
In all seriousness, it's shocking that Ian Botham has been made an unelected law-maker simply on the basis of his cricketing skills! Why should we have to obey his laws?
DeleteSimple. We shouldn't.
DeleteBlack rod for PM
DeleteBotham has a law? Don't tell him for goodness sake. He'll start getting ideas.
DeleteUnfortunately that happened long ago.
DeleteIf there were a snap GE (there won't be) I'd be more interested in who the SNP would put forward for election.
ReplyDeleteWith most of the careerist troughers and blue hairs having been cleared out in July I'd like to think that there'd be a continuation of Swinney's quiet revolution. New faces, grassroots representation, focus on indy....
Ah well that’s Christmas over.
ReplyDeleteThe faux celebration that so many participate in has gone. Grim reality is back.
And in less than a week our nonentity of a country will engage in anther celebration. New Year is indeed a time for reflection. A time to look back and a time to look forward. But sadly, it is for so many of us another worthless faux celebration. Truly what so called nation in the best empty barrel tradition craws loudly but the day after resorts to its broken empoverished colonial subservience.
New Year should be a time when we resolve to take action to change the, way our country is forced to live. There are many nations around the world who having taken control of their destiny now prosper making their own decisions.
No New Year resolution to work to, no change. More taxes to fight wars against Russia, to support destruction of Palestine, to militarily engage bombing Sudan, Yemen and other such countries. And more money for the corporate elites. From the two bit Michelle Mone ripping off the NHS for a peppercorn £100 million to the utferly astronomic trillions plundered by the gas, electricity, off shore owned ports and airports to the soon to be privatised NHS, whilst all the time living standards go down. And God bless our feul poor households and pensioners soon to have their pensions cut.
Yes, let us celebrate our faux New Year
You could pick any new year past and make similar doom predictions just with different events.
DeleteThere are positive happening also
Pensioners are wildly more rich than they were in the days when we called new year hogmanay
DeletePick yourself up, Willie. You sound pure depressing. We've turned a corner for sure (or at least bottomed out).
DeleteI'm very positive going into 2025. There's far more to be hopeful about than this time last year. Yes is flying in the polls, the Greens and all their shite are history, the SNP appear to be finally having a period of self reflection under competent, stable leadership.
I'm not pretending indy is just around the corner but at least it seems possible again.
Willie@9:10am,
DeleteDepressing, and nothing but nationalist propaganda!
Next year ask Santa for a dictionary.
DeleteSorry Willie but you come across as a bit of a dick. Anything positive and constructive to offer going forward?
DeleteAs a lifelong unionist, I find a unionist share of the seats of just 23% to be deeply concerning, to say the least.
ReplyDeleteOh my God this is a disaster.
DeleteIndeed, because we're obviously far better together being ruled by what England decides, everybody surely must know that, what's wrong with all these people, are they making their own minds up now? this must be stopped
DeleteThe union politicians must get better at lying to Jockland or we'll end up separated and Scotland running itself, and this would be an outrage to the memory of the empire, that almost every country England has ruled has thrown them our of their countries
Whatever next? answering back? outrageous I tell you, outrageous!!!
However unlikely it might have been, it was possible that last July's GE could be taking place in late January, in a few weeks time. That's the latest that the previous term could have run before a GE.
ReplyDeleteThere's no doubt in my mind that the SNP are seen to be more worthy of a vote than they were at the start of Swinney's tenure. The July GE came too soon for him.
So, although I believe most of the positive SNP polling is down to Labour's appalling governance, I'm willing to bet the SNP wouldn't be losing half a million abstainers.
The WM24 GE really was a snapshot of public political opinion in Scotland that the Unionists were very fortunate to have hit perfectly.
“…………Labour’s appalling governance “
DeleteWhat about the SNP’s utterly appalling governance??
All within budger. Tories and labour allowed to do what they like.
DeleteClearly a very encouraging poll, it would be amazing if the SNP were to win all these seats, far exceeding most people’s expectations.
ReplyDeleteLittle wonder the unionists above are so downbeat!
This probably ruined IFS Xmas lol.
DeleteThe post at 6:18 is obviously not KC.
ReplyDeleteYou'd be surprised...
DeleteWho’d have thought, during the depths of the general election period, we’d see the SNP back to two-thirds of the seats in the projection only a few months later.
ReplyDeleteThrilingly exhilarating.