Friday, July 5, 2024

The real result mirrors the exit poll but feels worse somehow - and there are good reasons for that, although the scale of Labour's victory is still being wildly overstated

The exit poll showed the SNP on 10 seats, and the real result will be very similar to that - it'll be 9, or in theory it could still be 10, but the mood music suggests that the Lib Dems will very narrowly win the final seat after a recount tomorrow.  And yet somehow the reality of 9 seats feels much worse than the anticipation of 10.  Why is that?  

It's partly because living through the individual results drives the reality of them home, but I think it's more because the exit poll was actually wrong in a couple of key respects. It predicted that the SNP would do worse than they did against the Tories in rural and coastal seats, but better than they did against Labour in the central belt.  The battle against Labour in the central belt is always considered the meat in the sandwich, and suffering the losses there makes the situation seem a lot graver.  It would have been easier to dismiss the predicted Tory gains in Perth and Argyll (which didn't happen) as irrelevant results caused by unionist voters ganging up on the SNP.

The paradox is, though, that Labour haven't done any better in popular vote terms than the opinion polls predicted.  They have a lead of less than six points over the SNP, in line with several of the polls - the only thing that wasn't expected was the exact geographical distribution of their support which made their vote more efficient.  But in terms of number of seats, vote share, lead over the second-placed party, etc, etc, Labour's result is strikingly similar to the SNP's in 2017.  The media refused to accept 2017 as a good result for the SNP, let alone as a landslide or as a mandate for anything, and yet basically the same result for Labour in 2024 is being painted as an astonishing triumph. Once the dust has settled, it may be worth drawing attention to that blatant contradiction.

But the consequences of this result may hinge on whether the SNP themselves interpret it as "disappointing" or "disastrous", and in spite of all the caveats I've listed above, they seem to be veering more towards the "disastrous" interpretation.  That could yet lead to another change of leader, which I thought was unlikely last night. That would be no bad thing as long as the successor is Kate Forbes.  But what would be a very bad thing is if the SNP convince themselves, as Stephen Flynn seemed to be hinting at last night, that the solution to their problems is to backpedal on independence even more furiously.  Nicola Sturgeon herself seems to understand that if you run away from your unique selling point, you're not going to win elections, and hopefully her voice will carry more sway than Flynn's on that subject.

If it doesn't though, and if the SNP cease to be a genuine party of independence, the only hope for advancing the cause at the 2026 Holyrood election will lie with Alba and other similar parties. That makes Alba's strategic mis-steps in this election all the more frustrating.  A lot of what I've been saying about how Alba stood in too many seats and spread their resources too thin has been borne out by the results.  However in one sense they've got out of jail, because having quickly scrolled through the results I can't find any examples of Alba costing the SNP a seat.  It came very close to happening in both Aberdeen North and Dundee Central, but in both cases the SNP narrowly clung on.  So through sheer luck Alba may have avoided the worst of any recriminations about contributing to the scale of a unionist victory - and believe me, that will matter a lot.

How bad was Alba's result?  Gerry Hassan will of course post a million tweets pointing out that Alba took only 1 in 200 votes in Scotland, but that will be misleading - their real vote share in the seats they contested was around 1.5%.  That's in line with the 2021 Holyrood election and 2022 local elections, and might suggest their support has remained static.  However it's generally harder to win votes in first-past-the-post elections than on the Holyrood list, so pound-for-pound this might be a slightly better result than it appears - but I do think if a Holyrood election was held right now, Alba would probably fall short of winning list seats, so a hard-headed think about the way forward is required. In my opinion Alba needs to become a broader church, which means moving in pretty much the opposite direction of the last few months.  Being an exclusive sect and trying to impose suffocating discipline on rank and file members simply doesn't work, in my view, for a small party with the stated aim of getting up to 15% support.

Incidentally, the real result is better for the SNP than the exit poll in one respect - they're the fourth largest party in the UK in terms of seats, rather than fifth behind Reform UK.  That's cold comfort at the moment, but may make it marginally easier to win arguments for a fair share of broadcast coverage over the coming years.

And it's going to be slightly comical when the media eventually remember that the Scottish Parliament still exists, the SNP are still dominant there, and their hero Anas Sarwar is still but a mere opposition leader.

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  1. I think this will be a good moment for the SNP to more effectively pursue independence than they have in the past few years.

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  2. The only crumb of comfort is the vote share of 30% for the SNP. Down a lot on the last general election but if it is the low ebb it’s not a bad base to rebuild from.

    Labour have promised a lot, now they need to deliver. Let’s see all of the Change with a capital C. Let’s see Scotland at the heart of Government (not just a token cabinet minister or two).

    After 2014 we now finally get to see what tweedledee can do with power. The Tories were an unmitigated disaster. What can a Labour government do for Scotland? If they also fail to improve life for the people then perhaps it will persuade a few that independence is worth a shot.

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    1. You’re correct, the Tories have been an unmitigated disaster. However so have the SNP in Holyrood, and they, just like the Tories, are likely to suffer a crushing blow in 2026.

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    2. You don’t know what will happen in 2 years.

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    3. Without SIGNIFICANT change, the SNP will be crushed in Holyrood as well. Complacency will be the end of them.

      Swinney is not the right leader for the job. They need vision. They need complete transformation. Continuity leads back to Labour hegemony.

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    4. Yep, it's a big two years for the SNP. They need to put their thinking caps on and come up with some popular policies that matter to most people and that they can deliver ASAP. And drop the ludicrous pish that they have wasted so much time and political capital on. Whisper it if you dare, but if that means cooperating with Labour at Holyrood on a few things then go for it. Maybe the average Scot would quite like more grown up politics - seems logical given the overwhelming combined Labour + SNP vote share.

      And speaking of Labour, it's also a big two years for them. As of today all the (non-devolved) problems of the UK become their responsibility...and of course begin to become their fault, either slowly or more quickly. By most accounts the electorate is more pissed off with the Tories and SNP than passionate about Labour. The honeymoon could be quite short unless the much promised Change materialises.

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    5. To Anon at 12:42 If labour increases public spending, which to me does seem like somewhat more than a snowball's chance in hell, then the automatic consequence of that will be a boost to the magnitude of the Barnett consequentials, easing a lot of the fiscal pressure on the Holyrood government which has beem a hallmark of Holyrood government for the past 14 years.

      If the SNP play their cards right, that will be quite easy to capitalise on in 2026.

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  3. Alba need a serious rethink. The idea of it being a list only party is very difficult to justify now. Now that the SNP look like losing a lot of constituency seats, they can legitimately ask the electorate for "both votes SNP" which is a big change from last time. Meanwhile Alba are showing no sign of meeting the minimum threshold for a seat in any region and so can easily be portrayed as a wasted vote. Maybe it is time to reconsider whether their members could have more impact by rejoining the SNP and helping to rebuild it and put it on the right track. They have some talented people that the indy movement can't afford to keep sidelined.

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    1. The issue with that though is that many of them actually attempted to reform the SNP before they left it.

      Remember the "Good Guys" campaign to the SNP's NEC? It was actually initially successful but that NEC was undermined by the leadership and became unable to function. Previous NEC members then shortly regained their old positions, reversing the progress that had been made.

      Many left the Party at that point because they felt internal reform wasn't possible. It would be quite the task to convince them that it now is.

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    2. Collectively what was ALBA’s % vote?

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    3. The square root of hee-haw.

      It didn't even change much with familiar faces like MacAskill on the ballot.

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  4. The important question now: What happens next?

    Will we just point fingers at each other, playing the blame game and angrily demanding that we all rally behind the SNP in 2026, or will there be genuine self-reflection and efforts to understand why the SNP has lost the trust of the Scottish electorate and the wider independence movement to such an extent?

    If we're being honest with ourselves, the SNP's best hope now is for internal reform and extending olive branches to all the supporters they have lost. But I fear that instead we'll just see people blaming Salmond, Alba, the MSM, British establishment conspiracies etc and little will change between now and 2026.

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    1. Many factors contributed. SNP was absolutely at fault but they were only one factor. There are too many to list again. I did it on a previous post. Reconciliation is essential. Without it we are truly fecked.

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  5. Alba are finished ,time to close the project down 3 elections and no one elected and stuck on 1.5% of the vote .
    Part of the problem is that the SNP can't sketch out a road map to Independence .They can't say if we win a majority of seats votes what ever we will deliver Independence.Alba may shout bawl stamp their feet but they would be in the exact same position .If Westminster refuses to negotiate,you can hold as many conventions as you like but they won't bring Independence.
    The problem those of us that support Independence have is that no one has a plan to over come Westminster intransigence.What do you do if you get 53% of the vote for SNP or Alba and Westminster still refuses to negotiate.
    You will receive kind words of support from many in the International community but forget them intervening.
    UDI is a non starter unless you can control the levers of power ,the courts the Police and tax and spend agencies .

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    1. The fundamental problem is putting the cart before the horse. You can't pursue independence without the Scottish people clearly on your side. How do you get them there? With a vision for independence.

      The SNP will suffer for as long as its goal is just to be a Better Labour Than Labour. Competent governance is absolutely crucial, aye, but insufficient. Everything they do must be about the single, unified vision of a future independent Scotland.

      Trundling along, making a shite job of governing at Holyrood, is going to cost them dear. They can't take half of Scotland's blind support for granted any more.

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  6. The SNP are finished, time to close the project down.

    The SNP don't want independence, they want drag queen story hour in the primary schools. That is the hill they will die on, so just ... die.


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    1. What a load of nonesense.

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    2. You might think so, but Scotland just gave you one hell of a kicking. Why?

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  7. Alba are cringe. I think they mean well and face to face they are pretty lovely. But online, where it's anonymous (and they might not be real people) I'm more likely to read comments about toilets or Nicola's legacy than I am about independence. It's just weird. Even if I'm willing to hear them out.

    We also have to accept that this election, even for independence supporters, wasn't about independence. It's that simple.

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  8. Too many independence supporters simply don't believe those in charge of the SNP actually want independence - Murray Foote chief executive for god's sake!

    And now Flynn criging before the britnat media.

    We need a new leadership or new party which is clearly different from the current devolutionary SNP. Alba is too SNP-ish; it rejected abstentionism; a big mistake IMO.

    We need people who are not afraid of the britnat media. I thought Flynn could have been that sort of person but not any more.

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    1. So if people are unhappy with the SNP....they vote virulent Unionist Labour? Going to be scratching my head about that for a while. The comment by anon 1pm may give me a clue. It was seen by SNP voters as not being about Independence. Does that hold up? For Labour will say it's a vindication that Scottish voters dont want Independence. Hmmm.
      And Alba. As you sugest J Kelly, without significant popular support theres no influence. So begs the question what's the plan Stan? Co dhiu, s mi sgith

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    2. You’d cringe too if you’d just lost almost 40 seats and the media were crowing about independence being finished.

      Even Salmond in his interview last night said the result meant any move on independence now would be laughable.

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    3. Alba too SNP-ish right enough.

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  9. Not a troll question, I'm genuinely wondering: Can the SNP even survive financially now?

    The Party is in debt but Westminster short-money was able to keep them afloat. Most of that is gone now...

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    1. Hope not. A new party would then have to emerge.

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    2. As a paid up member of the snp I take it you look from outside, in but wanting to dictate terms. Don’t think so.

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  10. SNP vote share in Scotland 30% = disaster.

    Labour vote share in U.K. 33% - a triumphal landslide.

    The Tories and Reform combined got about 37% of the UK vote. The same percentage Cameron got in 2010. Reform split the right wing vote. England is still right wing.

    That's what happens in a colonial situation where the coloniser England controls the media and the supposed party of independence is controlled by gradualists/devolutionalists.

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    1. Agreed. Westminster elections are a fool's game. Sinn Fein has the right idea in turning the tables.

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    2. I hardly ever agree with IFS but think you’ve got it bang on here. Nationally the Labour vote only went up 1.6% so virtually unchanged. The Tory vote got split between them and Reform.
      So, Labour and Libdems didn’t really do much in the way of winning, it’s just that the Tories and the SNP lost. The only genuine winners were Reform unfortunately.
      BTW I agree with the posters who say Alba should call it a day. They’re never going to break through now. They called it completely wrong by not standing in Rutherglen & Hamilton West. Obviously they wouldn’t have won but if would have turned them into an actual political force I reckon.

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    3. Starmer also got less votes than Corbyn did. Corbyn, however didn't have the benefit of Reform taking a big chunk of the Tory vote and the SNP being in disarray.

      Anon at 1.39pm - pity more didn't agree with me we might not be in this terrible position.

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    4. Explain what you would have done to avoid this disaster. must be based in reality.

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    5. 3:30 Concentrate on independence?

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    6. Anon @ 3:30PM

      Following the Supreme Court ruling in November 2022, Nicola Sturgeon (then First Minister) stated that Westminster was blocking a referendum and because of that reality, we needed to find an alternative means to pursue the democratic will that the SNP had won multiple mandates to pursue. In her view, that left only a de-facto referendum.

      She believed that the next General Election should be used for that purpose. So, to answer the question of what could have been done differently: Not regressing on that when Sturgeon resigned.

      Just imagine where we'd be entering this election if, for the past 18 months, we'd been planning to use it as a de-facto referendum. We likely would have also had a constitutional convention bringing the wider movement together.

      There was a plan on the table in November 2022, and the concrete proof the Supreme Court ruling showed—that the UK isn't a voluntary union—would have been an excellent catalyst for a campaign!

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    7. Yeah, just imagine. Pity the SNP did sod all about it then, isn't it?

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    8. I get really tired when people say there was little the SNP could have done differently when there was SO MANY moments when they could have acted but didn't.

      Even Sturgeon was starting to see sense towards the end advocating for a de-facto referendum but that seems to have been completely wiped from SNP supporter memory the moment Humza Yousaf backpedaled when he was elected. The SNP have no one else to blame for this loss except for themselves.

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  11. At least we will not have to watch the FM of Scotland going begging cap in hand asking for a sec 30 from Starmer. Hopefully there will be no more of this nonsense from the SNP.

    We need a real Independence Party. We need someone to " Make the SNP Great Again"

    Sarwar will be brought down to earth when he goes back to being second in line behind Dross in Holyrood.

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    1. Agree we need somebody new wi their finger on the pulse at head of SNP.

      But there must be now a middling to good chance of having Sarwar as FM in 2026 . Unless , that is , the SNP pull up their socks. Dross is standing down as leader there's no guarantee of him being high on list- he could be out. I expect Tories to be in 3rd place. If Labour and liedems together don't make a majority, Tories might abstain to allow Sarwar as FM and keep oot SNP.

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  12. Desperately disappointing the SNP only managed to take 1 of the 6 Tory seats.
    Hard to take.

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    1. Many tories voted unlike independence supporters and voted with labour to keep snp out. Hence the nonsense from the stay at home/ spoilt ballot brigade.

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    2. Nonsense? We got what we wanted: the troughers out, and our message loud and clear.

      CHANGE!

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    3. Sadly the greatest long term trougher comfy slippers Wishart escaped the carnage.

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  13. One of the tragedies of both the SNP/Alba and Plaid Cymru is that the route to independence has been blocked because the principal parties have taken a strong position left of the political spectrum. SNP and Plaid (and even Mabyon Kerow) have in the past taken much more right wing positions, and it has been folly to ideologically exclude "conservative" nationalists. 50% support for independence in Scotland, and a higher percentage in Wales than turns out for Plaid are evidence of this. I am sure that "In my opinion Alba needs to become a broader church" is absolutely right. However, included in this careful approach is an avoidance of inflammatory language on contentious issues, such as Israel's response to October 7th. There is no point in pressing one line of orthodoxy on such issues. Have the debate privately or in the Government when independence is achieved and foreign policy views are necessary

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  14. Alba is not finished. I am more certain of that since I read Kavagh saying they are finished in his WGD blog. The guy gets everything wrong so he is more than likely to be wrong on this. He also takes no responsibility for this result. Kavanagh and some of his doggers NOW are critical of a range of decisions taken by the SNP. Kavanagh and his doggers all strongly supported the SNP in these decisions like the SNP propagandists they are. These people all helped waste 10 years of great opportunities for independence.

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    1. I liked Kavanagh's latest piece. He admits he's been lying to us. Obviously, he will again, but I like to look on the bright side every now and then!

      Mind, even being optimistic, I can't look at the Alba results as anything but complete and total, downright abject failure. They're just nothing, whenever the voters get their say. You really can't do any worse than they keep doing. It's just… awful.

      Combine that with Alba's internal governance issues, and I'd say it's clear it needs wrapped up. We need fresh faces trying something else.

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    2. You should both read his article again. it is thoughtful and reflective, and asks us all to pay attention and be concerned at the very disturbing rise of the far right. He does not say he had been lying. Like all Indy supporters, he accepts a level of responsibilty. You two should try and do the same.

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    3. Anon at 5.48pm - he lied about Sturgeon plotting to persecute Salmond. He knew Sturgeon did that but told his doggers a different story. I take no responsibility for the SNP members supporting Sturgeon's despicable gang of devolutionalists. They brought it on themselves. They were well warned.

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  15. "and if the SNP cease to be a genuine party of independence"

    I think that happened a while ago.

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  16. It's not a paradox that Labour's gain in popular vote is underwhelming. It looks like about a third of SNP voters simply stayed home; peak efficiency of unionist tactical voting did the rest.

    I'm not saying there were zero SNP>Lab switchers, but any narrative of these doing the heavy lifting is false.

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    1. Correct. Many don't get this point and the media are not flagging it up. Less votes than Corbyn. 60% turn out. Less than 25 % of the electorate have turned out to vote for labour, yet have given them a massive majority. FPTP. A fundamentally undemocratic voting system. That said, we need Kate Forbes to step up, lead the SNP, restore its pre 2014 constitution, remove the toxic vocal minorities from the NEC, and set about taking the lead in a number of crucial issues. Confrontation is essential. Start with energy. Use existing H and S and Planning Powers to stop England stealing our renewable energy. And take control of the Oil and Gas transition. We need to use existing powers and laws in imaginative ways and show people we can make a difference in their lives. Energy costs is as good a place to start as anywhere. Last and not least. Put someone in place to boot balls and get the ferry fiasco sorted and ended.

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  17. So labours new Chancellor first bleating is there “isn't a lot of money”. Now they will roll back on all the election promises. Day 1.

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  18. Rob again, Alex Salmond was briefly on the extended R4's World At One, he came over well, left me less pesimistic - though the SNP as a roadblock was there between the lines. Severe GE overload prevents adequate reporting. Gotta crash.

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    1. He was given free rein to slag off Swinney and the SNP. His party lost all their deposits and didn't even get 1% of the vote. Ask yourself why he got on such a high profile programme and was allowed to speak uninterrupted. He is the most unpopular politician in Scotland. Hew needs to bow out. Your time has arrived Kate. Step forward please.

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  19. Have the feeling there are voters who didn't get what they want, and voters who know they didn't get what they want. only the two kinds.
    Paraphrased from elsewhere. Rob now crashing.

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  20. Not a great night. The FPTP tipping point is brutal. It served the SNP well in the last three elections but this time round Labour benefited. So nine or ten seats (depending on the recount) 18% of the seats with 30% of the vote. It is how that game works. It is a better starting point than Labour had after 2019.
    Shocking turnout at 59%.

    How will 2026 go? I suppose in part it will depend on Labour. If they are getting pelters for failing to build houses, generate growth and are up their oxters in boat people and debt it may go very well. If Starmer is a genius and we live in a new Shangri-la then maybe not so great. We may have to endure five years of Sarwar and Baillie before things look rosier. If things are tight the SNP will need every list vote.

    I'm not sure about new parties, or other alternatives to the SNP. Alba isn't really taking off and other suggestions are vague and by and large reliant on someone else doing the hard work. Alba is there if people want another party or some sort of Scottish reactionary GB News type thing to rattle on about wokeness but I don't think significant numbers are interested.

    Really, if we can't make what we have work why would something else work?

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    1. H&S you make some very good points there.

      The SNP's response to this should be to take it on the chin and say that they have to rebuild trust with the voters. They also have to say, however, picking up on your points above is that Labour's Scottish victory is largely down to FPTP just as the SNP has benefitted from fptp in the past. The *other* thing that the SNP should say repeatedly until the Scottish voters are sick of it is that Keir Starmer needs to thank Reform and Nigel Farage in particular for making him Prime Minister. If it wasn't for Farage's U-turn it's very unlikely that Starmer would've been PM.

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    2. It's also worth keeping in mind that many might have not voted for the SNP or even worse voted for Labour as a punishment for the chaos of the past few years.

      Removing political biases we're on our third First Minister within a year and a half and there were lots of scandals and controversial issues during that period. The public notice these things and don't buy that it's just all been a British establishment conspiracy to stop independence. There's a genuine feeling that we've had one Government in charge at Westminster for 14 years and another in charge at Holyrood for 17 years and that we're long overdue for change at both.

      It will take a lot of work to come back from that mentality.

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    3. Yes, although five years of Sarwar and Baillie would do a lot of the heavy lifting. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

      The last couple of years have been weird but that said the SNP have only had four leaders in the last thirty odd years. By and large it has been a very stable party. It can be again.

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  21. 2026 election. A independence majority of voters is deemed to be sufficient proof for independence.

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    1. Independence shouldn’t even be getting mentioned after this humiliation.
      It’s embarrassing.

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    2. 30% of the vote is a humiliation but 33.7% is a master stroke of genius and voter affirmation?

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  22. The SNP need to copy SF. Westminster is the colonisers parliament, and we should have nothing to do with the parliament of another country. They pat us on the head, rub our tummy, then treats us simply an asset to be stripped. Get more aggresive!

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    1. 100% this.
      I feel ideally under a new Party
      Scotland First or Scotland Forward
      But unlikely to happen yet

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    2. Yeah we have 2 decades to build a new party plenty of time.....deluded

      Only the snp can deliver

      Realy really really fucked right off with this judean peoples front glaikit bawhead shiety shite

      You dinnea care 2 flying fucks about things like prescriptions, tuition fees or carrying the no voters we neeedcto engage with you.

      Naw lets start yet another fucking party that will get nae votes fae ordinary people and be lucky to poll at 2 %

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    3. We've already wasted one decade waiting for your wonderful SNP to deliver.

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    4. Yea we will waste over 2 decades to get any new party anywhwere near snp polling.

      And even then it would need to like snp has done demonstrate it can run a country via holyrood and get enough votes to become government. And apaeal to majority of voters in Scotland.

      And have policies that appeal to voters and run a budget properly.

      In other words achieve whatt snp has rather than alba didnt

      Canae really be fucked.

      Should maybe just emigrate to somewhere else away from this fucking shite. Where people think they have a magic solution to get independence.

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  23. Swinney did deliver something. He delivered a seat at Westminster for his pal wee Dougie Alexander.

    Funny how the Britnat media see 38 Labour seats as a great triumph. Yet SNP getting 37 seats in 2017 as a disaster for independence.

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    1. You have to look at the result in the context of the outstanding victory in 2015 where they won almost all the seats in Scotland and Labour in the context of 2019 where they won just 1 seat. Its the difference between the graph going down and the graph going up. What will happen next? Who knows?

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  24. Just once talk some sense. Naw that would be too hard.

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  25. You would think listening to Flynn talking that this just came out the blue with no warning. You would also think he has forgotten that the SNP got multiple election wins and mandates for Indyref2 and did nothing.

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    1. Well there’s certainly no mandate now, that’s for sure.

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    2. Yes there is from oor parliament elected in 2021. You obviously are ignorant or a disingenuous Britnat.

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  26. ALBA 1.5% is ALBA’s problem. No wonder Salmond didn’t stand.

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  27. Did Alba really think it was worthwhile to lose every single deposit last night and also the goodwill of SNP members like myself who would be keen to try to build bridges with some of my old and (previously) valued colleagues who've joined Alba? McAskill deciding to stand in Alloa was probably one of the most futile acts of political gesturing that has been seen in Scotland fir decades. Absolutely pointless!

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    1. Personally I don’t see the point of Alba or ISP.
      Think Alba got 0.5% of the Scottish vote share, ISP didn’t even register.
      Bonkers.

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    2. goodwill from SNP to Alba. Yeah right. that'll be the same goodwill where Sturgeon stood with the mouthpiece of the british state the bbc and slaughtered real yes alba and salmond letting in 30 plus unionists on the list in the process.

      Or is it the same goodwill that swinney has when he stated last week that he'd never campaign with salmond?

      the snp is a devolutionist (which is unionist for the hard of thinking) party masquerading as a national party now. They may well like independence but they're not prepared to be ruthless to get it and will block internal and external attempts to do so, in order to dominate devolved unionist pro-indy politics.

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    3. Alba are a busted flush will never achieve anything. They lost deposits in every seat they contested last night

      Expect to see any councillors lost at the next council elections.

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    4. duh - aye we ken that. enjoy cheering on your future SNP devo unionism victories and your pantomime section 30 requests you utter fake yes nawbag fanboy

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    5. The point of Alba is they offer the choice SNP 1 Alba 2 in a Scottish election. Thus ousting a Unionist list candidate. But that policy is only useful if the aim is independence. If there is a different agenda then SNP 1, SNP Ergo Unionist 2 may be worth promoting.

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  28. I’m not sure what voter turnout was in Scotland. How many weren’t able to vote because of the postal votes debacle? Our household lost two votes despite doing everything correctly.

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    1. Thank you. I’d be interested to know how many similarly lost their votes.

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  29. I did postal vote by hand, as I did not trust the royal fail to deliver on time.

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  30. So much shite talked on here. The SNP are still the only game in town and they have time to get their shit together before 2026.

    We went from prolonged record support for independence to the SNP losing 80% of their seats in a single parliamentary term. So things can move fast.

    Britain's problems are to big to solve and no one likes Starmer. Labour will fail hard, and while the Scottish media will try as hard as they can to paint them as heirs apparent at Holyrood it will be hard to to do so effectively while they are shitting the bed in Westminster. Not to mention the very real spectre of a frankenstein far-right government in 2029 should hopefully focus some peoples minds.

    In the meantime the ONLY play the SNP have is to stop with the cautious managerialism and govern much more radically. Push the limits of devolution and make moves on shit like council tax. They need to can all the endless consultations and throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks. Whether they will is another matter.

    Alba barely scraped 1.5% the Greens had their best ever WM performance and their voters could have quite easily saved enough SNP seats to turn a catastrophe into an okayish performance. So the idea of elevating Forbes is an absolute mug's game. There are no votes in the SNP moving an inch to the right.

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    1. you weren't radical enough; the public are crying out for drag queen story hour, at a much faster rate

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    2. Bang the drum bowler hat and flute, bang the drum

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    3. If people were interested in the culture wars crap they would have voted in people banging on about it.

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    4. Well they voted out the SNP people banging on about it.

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  31. Alba didn't knock any SNP candidate's out, but from what I saw the greens did in around two or three seats in or around Glasgow. Oh well maybe they would of voted Labour instead but I hope it gives them food for thought. 30% SNP labour 36% mmmm, I think the self inflicted low turnout couldn't have helped, anyway time for everyone that cares to wake up.

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    1. I care about grammar: "would of voted labour" - I think you mean would have , shortened to would've.

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    2. Have to admit that's a bugbear of mine too and it's amazing how often you see it.

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  32. To be fair to Swinney he ran a good campaign.

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  33. The biggest upside that I can see is that should, as seems likely, Labour does increase spending the associated increase on Barnett consequentials will be such that many of Holyrood's financial pressures will be eased (though not completely alleviated).

    This could quite easily be capitalised on by the SNP, if they are forthright.

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  34. Now we've won one of the first things the Government should do is get rid of that overpriced talking shop in Edinburgh and put the Scottish Office back to the heart of Government and give it some influence. It worked well in the past till Blair got sidetracked.

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  35. It was indeed a bad result, much worse than expected. It was generally acknowledged that Swinney had stabilised the ship, he had a quite high profile an was somewhat more popular than the other party leaders. One wonders how much worse things could have been if Yousef had still been in charge.

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    1. Damn if this result is considered steading the ship things were MUCH worse for the SNP than I could have possibly imagined.

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  36. Very little is known so far, but one thing that seems reasonably certain is that for some the SNP were too much about Independence, and for some they were too little about Indy, particularly in their campaigning. The middle of that lost out.

    We voted SNP - because our MP did campaign a lot about WASPI, and is a good MP. Had it been about Indy, not sure how I'd have voted, or if.

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