tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post8935627277932635534..comments2024-03-29T13:49:28.500+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The state of play in the EU referendum remains as clear as mudJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-28901916984167228092015-12-20T23:47:14.684+00:002015-12-20T23:47:14.684+00:00Depends on which favours and to who I suppose.Depends on which favours and to who I suppose.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90262623375897720002015-12-20T15:48:45.708+00:002015-12-20T15:48:45.708+00:00I rarely find myself concurring with GWC, but thos...I rarely find myself concurring with GWC, but those indulging in sectarian mudslinging need to knock it off. It's offensive, weak and does us no favours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39404763249346653602015-12-20T15:45:56.992+00:002015-12-20T15:45:56.992+00:00Such praise from the master of incomprehensible gi...Such praise from the master of incomprehensible gibberish. Finished washing that Jag for your Unionist overlords yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70519377280319496122015-12-19T22:02:52.325+00:002015-12-19T22:02:52.325+00:00UK Opinium poll Scottish subsample:
63% SNP
14% Co...UK Opinium poll Scottish subsample:<br />63% SNP<br />14% Con<br />10% Lab<br />6% UKIP<br />4% Green<br />3% Lib<br /><br />Scottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-27446637320996515162015-12-19T21:36:01.480+00:002015-12-19T21:36:01.480+00:00Uz Naws nurture your likes as you keep the Naw vot...Uz Naws nurture your likes as you keep the Naw vote intact. You are a particular nasty type of bitterness and division. Keep it up.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68140260224684997232015-12-19T20:34:40.155+00:002015-12-19T20:34:40.155+00:00He soaks his sash in it.He soaks his sash in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-86883546420363912352015-12-19T15:27:51.354+00:002015-12-19T15:27:51.354+00:00Which result would most benefit the cause of Scott...Which result would most benefit the cause of Scottish independence?devorgillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11885637866018093933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34064030561153769342015-12-19T14:53:03.974+00:002015-12-19T14:53:03.974+00:00Do you really think people are shy about this kind...Do you really think people are shy about this kind of thing? It's not like the Scottish referendum when many Scottish people were embarrassed and ashamed to be voting No. They voted No, not because they didn't feel Scottish but because they were nervous about change and believed the No crap about the 'best of both worlds'.<br /><br />But nobody has such qualms about Europe, surely?<br /><br />My interpretation is that the telephone results are from more cautious older voters who don't engage online, and are naturally fearful. The status quo is therefore their natural default position.devorgillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11885637866018093933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-32302131564816808272015-12-19T02:21:24.088+00:002015-12-19T02:21:24.088+00:00Never aff it. Keeps the mind keen and on the Nat s...Never aff it. Keeps the mind keen and on the Nat si watch.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-44876839346590241132015-12-19T01:52:44.987+00:002015-12-19T01:52:44.987+00:00GWC Are you on the piss again?
GWC Are you on the piss again?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-71293343279510162382015-12-18T23:11:26.522+00:002015-12-18T23:11:26.522+00:00Only you would understand yourself but maybe not.Only you would understand yourself but maybe not.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34775325325377562982015-12-18T06:30:34.437+00:002015-12-18T06:30:34.437+00:00Doubtless you felt right at home in the swivel-eye...Doubtless you felt right at home in the swivel-eyed zoomery that is BTL at the Wail...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33571302754064310492015-12-18T06:28:31.050+00:002015-12-18T06:28:31.050+00:00Your Unionist overlords want the Jag cleaned.Your Unionist overlords want the Jag cleaned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5943844315231043072015-12-18T00:04:42.945+00:002015-12-18T00:04:42.945+00:00Paul, you are deviating from the SNP Tory policies...Paul, you are deviating from the SNP Tory policies as the Nat sis do. The Nat sis have a comfort zone away from reality and the lies they have told about protecting the poor.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74275538676618823792015-12-17T23:15:50.003+00:002015-12-17T23:15:50.003+00:00What would you expect the right wing warmongering ...What would you expect the right wing warmongering rag the Mail to do? They would certainly agree with Labour though wouldn't they person with no name.<br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712693854913429452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-10520725649218051582015-12-17T23:12:35.643+00:002015-12-17T23:12:35.643+00:00Any one can quote a brew or pub from Glasgow. Stop...Any one can quote a brew or pub from Glasgow. Stop hiding behind a silly name and I will eat the hat.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712693854913429452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72130010083787788002015-12-17T22:07:14.601+00:002015-12-17T22:07:14.601+00:00"One of the reasons you see such volatility i..."One of the reasons you see such volatility in the polling over recent decades is that the issue was never that salient to begin with." <br /><br />Absolutely right Rebecca. Tonight all news programmes, even Channel 4 News, led with the sacking of Mourinho, on the same evening that Cameron was meeting with the other EU heads of governments to begin negotiations on the opt-outs from EU law he's trying to achieve. For all the media hype about the EU, I don't think most British people are particularly concerned about it one way or the other. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05377329780194422401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-39158409274704188612015-12-17T21:45:48.563+00:002015-12-17T21:45:48.563+00:00Glad to hear you are a supporter of 'fair trad...Glad to hear you are a supporter of 'fair trade'. I've always found the fair trade coffee rather good old chap.<br /><br />On the subject of the EU; UKIP averaging ~1.7% for next May's General Election.<br /><br />#UKIPbreakthroughScottish_Skiernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73621567487847545042015-12-17T21:06:22.680+00:002015-12-17T21:06:22.680+00:00The EU is a corrupt gravy train that pays inept po...The EU is a corrupt gravy train that pays inept politicians large salaries from taxpayers money. All we need is fair trade deals not the baggage.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85116747447192727862015-12-17T20:22:09.448+00:002015-12-17T20:22:09.448+00:00Mein Gott even the rag Daily Mail is takin ra piss...Mein Gott even the rag Daily Mail is takin ra piss aboot the Tartan Tory budget. Tories do know each other.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33263271888335981392015-12-17T20:19:04.464+00:002015-12-17T20:19:04.464+00:00muscleguysblog. Only if you are admitted to the co...muscleguysblog. Only if you are admitted to the corrupt club. It may take years so what happens in between when England has put up border controls.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8353536699518928832015-12-17T20:12:01.153+00:002015-12-17T20:12:01.153+00:00Eat yer hat Paul and can do a Paddy Pants Down and...Eat yer hat Paul and can do a Paddy Pants Down and buy me a pint of St Mungo at the West Brewery.Glasgow Working Classnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78893028832488240832015-12-17T16:57:23.707+00:002015-12-17T16:57:23.707+00:00Does any one know just who "Glasgow Working C...Does any one know just who "Glasgow Working Class" actually supports or is HE just a lone voice in his own wilderness. fair play to him for being the only person in England who cares so much about what the SNP say or do. If he is a Glaswegian I shall do a Paddy Ashdown and eat my hat.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712693854913429452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60201265252257431502015-12-17T16:52:54.475+00:002015-12-17T16:52:54.475+00:00"If No side offer an alternative of EFTA inst..."If No side offer an alternative of EFTA instead of EU they would walk vote."<br /><br />I've seen this said a lot, yet nobody ever points out that we were founding members of EFTA and left precisely because it wasn't in our interests and left us marginalised from the key decisions the rest of Europe were making (which still affected us indirectly).<br /><br />Which is exactly the problem with it and the Norwegian model today. The EU is effectively setting the rules for trade in Europe within its institutions (and indeed many of these rules extend outside the EU into other markets as well). Norway is an example of a country that simply allows the rest of Europe to determine these rules and goes along with them from outside. If that's the arrangement we want then you're entitled to argue for it, but for the life of me I can't see what the actual case for it is. It's a bit like us resigning from UEFA's decision-making bodies yet still having to use UEFA's rules every time we play football on the continent - what are we actually gaining beyond throwing away all of our influence to prove a point?Rebeccanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29483450431007121512015-12-17T16:44:06.824+00:002015-12-17T16:44:06.824+00:00"Rebecca, the original vote was based on what..."Rebecca, the original vote was based on what was described as just a trade deal. What has happened since then has almost rendered the nation state omnipotent."<br /><br />Aside from omnipotent meaning the exact opposite of what I suspect you think it means, this just isn't true. There's a clear division of competences in the EU and we've opted out of most of the areas that affect our sovereignty most (monetary policy through the euro, Justice and Home Affairs, refugee relocation, the Fiscal Compact, Schengen, etc.)<br /><br />The vast majority of EU legislation is directly related to trade. The point in it is to come up with compatible rules applicable across Europe so that if a business wants to export to the EU it only has to negotiate one set of standards rather than 28 different sets.<br /><br />Moreover, the argument that "we signed up to a free trade area" is also completely inconsequential. It was an argument people used to cite to argue for another referendum - in essence, we were lied to so the first referendum didn't count. Given we're having another referendum the argument no longer has any relevance.<br /><br />The only way it would have relevance is if the suggestion was that the government itself had no idea what it was signing up to, which is clearly nonsense and every future transfer of power has been done via a Treaty our own government signed and ratified in parliament. We could have halted that process at any stage as Treaty revisions require unanimity, but we didn't or simply opted out of bits we didn't like (hence why we have so many opt outs).Rebeccanoreply@blogger.com