tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post8325035041394953876..comments2024-03-29T05:53:21.060+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The SNP leadership need to explain their strategy for overcoming the major disadvantages of using a Westminster election - as opposed to an early Holyrood election - as a de facto independence referendumJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29577812685312878782022-11-30T16:15:37.426+00:002022-11-30T16:15:37.426+00:00The reason there is no govt in N I is down to the ...The reason there is no govt in N I is down to the DUPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90468329920490023122022-11-27T23:51:54.333+00:002022-11-27T23:51:54.333+00:00It's not procrastinating. It's deliberate....It's not procrastinating. It's deliberate. I'd prefer a holyrood 2026 yes alliance plebiscite over this wm nonsense..a wm lost plebiscite will endanger a UN recognised future pleb at holyrood so we should plan for one we will win .<br /><br />SNP plan for things that ensure their devo hegemony that's their priority.De sfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12710211751133353737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52021156340441834712022-11-27T18:32:58.623+00:002022-11-27T18:32:58.623+00:00I’m just pointing out an irrefutable fact. A snap ...I’m just pointing out an irrefutable fact. A snap Holyrood election today would see similar demographics voting compared with that in 2 years time at a UK GE.<br /><br />I too am at the end of my tether with the SNP. Their procrastinating is debilitating to the cause. Sturgeons need to go however indy supporters need to ride above the internal politics of the plan the SNP have - and push collectively for the end goal. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30191445394145763632022-11-27T00:20:14.517+00:002022-11-27T00:20:14.517+00:00And this specious youth yes effect is central to t...And this specious youth yes effect is central to the debate. Sturgeon is on record as saying time is on our side..given our population is being anglicised and as a result increasingly no voting what time is on our side... Robertson the heir apparent has talked of the youth yes effect as a reason for independence being an inevitability... he's heidie of progress Scotland the fake yes 'dont think' tank. They know this..<br /><br /><br />This along with silencing plan b advocates, demonisation of alba with BBC and fake plebiscites using the wrong election and countless other derelictions of duty tell you all you need to know about sturgeon's snp.<br /><br />And errrrr that's why we're angry..cos you lot bury your head in the sand. The truth won't make you happy but it's the truth..<br /><br /><br />Many Russians refuse to believe the narrative about Russia's war in Ukraine being aggressive for the same reason..it depresses them. It's easier to believe the thicko SNP narrative blaming wm. They're not stopping us. They're just not making it easy. Why should they? They're unionists.. we're the separatists as they like to tell us..so behave like it De sfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12710211751133353737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67067407406308156752022-11-26T23:57:20.657+00:002022-11-26T23:57:20.657+00:00Anonymous swallows the whole specious youth yes ef...Anonymous swallows the whole specious youth yes effect argument..yes it is true but if you age the population you. Need to account for births, deaths and crucially migration. All that before participation rates and cohort ageing effects (a tendency for people to become more conservative as they age).<br /><br />Anyway, 40k English people are moving here every year and sturgeon wants to increase that by 10k..these folk have high longevity, families, large participation rates and are 75% no voters.<br /><br />Their impact is significantly bigger than the annual low participation rate youth yes effect which will fall over time anyway as scots have fewer children compared with middle class incomers De sfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12710211751133353737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3565760814644294982022-11-26T23:48:48.011+00:002022-11-26T23:48:48.011+00:00Anonymous are you for real? 14/15 years old today ...Anonymous are you for real? 14/15 years old today will NOT be able to vote in 2024 when they are 16/17. <br />Where have you been - there is not going to be an Indyref2. How on earth do you think you know it will be 59% in 2024. Are you Irish Skier? Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-35353826616818616042022-11-26T22:14:08.891+00:002022-11-26T22:14:08.891+00:00I understand the obvious concern about a UK GE mea...I understand the obvious concern about a UK GE meaning 16/17 year olds won’t be able to vote, but by waiting 2 years that generation will be of an age eligible to vote in late 2024.<br /><br />Equally, surely another 2 years of Tory rule will only continue to push more and more Scot’s toward independence? I don’t disagree that the SNP are selfishly slow-playing their promise of indyref2, but would you take an incredibly divisive 53% Yes tomorrow, or wait 2 years for a more definitive 59% Yes?<br /><br />I can’t defend the SNP. I’m just trying to remain positive. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6430491671841748132022-11-26T21:23:54.871+00:002022-11-26T21:23:54.871+00:00WT Even WGD numpty noindyref2 wants Toni Giugliano...WT Even WGD numpty noindyref2 wants Toni Giugliano sacked and the usual subjects are on his case. Of course he won't be sacked as he is just doing Sturgeon's bidding - testing the reaction. Sturgeon could not have been clearer in June this year - a de facto independence referendum at the next General Election - no ifs no buts. Just how many promises can Sturgeon get away with breaking but still hold on to her support. It truly is quite remarkable. What an impressive politician but a shocking independence leader. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8321342768044381422022-11-26T20:30:58.310+00:002022-11-26T20:30:58.310+00:00So it's not a defacto referendum:
https://news...So it's not a defacto referendum:<br />https://news.stv.tv/politics/section-30-after-de-facto-referendum-would-honour-democracy-says-snps-toni-giuglianoWTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52723009416376925332022-11-26T19:50:24.068+00:002022-11-26T19:50:24.068+00:00I totally agree anonymous. It's nonsense to co...I totally agree anonymous. It's nonsense to complain about the lack of democracy for Scotland but keep your MPs in the very place that is denying Scotland any democracy. However, they won't come out of Westminster. They just love the lifestyle too much. Come on Alba take the lead. SNP prove me wrong. I won't hold my breath. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-47604264144243798292022-11-26T19:23:49.828+00:002022-11-26T19:23:49.828+00:00The SNP and Alba MPs need to remove themselves fro...The SNP and Alba MPs need to remove themselves from the Westminster cesspit now. Let the people react to that. No worries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22361420427001323932022-11-26T17:03:12.370+00:002022-11-26T17:03:12.370+00:00Rocksie, just let them do it. It will actually mak...Rocksie, just let them do it. It will actually make it easier to actually then subsequently win a vote in a UK GE. Unless they then subsequently make it illegal for Scots to vote in a UK GE then the whole world will see with absolute certainty what the English are. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60338868762185451972022-11-26T16:57:41.068+00:002022-11-26T16:57:41.068+00:00Having to produce a voter ID in a UK GE will suppr...Having to produce a voter ID in a UK GE will suppress the turnout. Marcia says get a postal vote. Well how many people who do not have ID will go to the bother of a postal vote. Also postal votes are easier to make disappear. <br /><br />Anyway Mr Kavanagh, the big dug himself, says Holyrood is finished as a credible place to have a vote. The London court rules according to the big dug. So that's it England tells us what we can and cannot do according to Sturgeon and WGD. Pathetic. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73158565577085523202022-11-26T15:59:49.384+00:002022-11-26T15:59:49.384+00:00WGD numpty 'Jumpin' Jack Collatin praises ...WGD numpty 'Jumpin' Jack Collatin praises Welsh Skier for posting the best comment of the month. So what does this great post contain. Some lowlights as follows:<br /><br />1. Well let's start with the cracker of a lie by Welsh Skier that proves beyond doubt that he is a Sturgeon propagandist and a liar. <br /><br />" What's interesting, is that baseline support for Indy just didn't move under Salmond" <br /><br />2. Or how about this comment. " But under Sturgeon , it's gone up nearly 20%......."<br /> You are a liar Skier - the opposite side of the same coin as Campbell of Wings. Producing dodgy graphs to fit what you want to say. <br />Funny how all Skier's previous Ski slope graphs never showed this pattern. The reason being he had a different story (lie) to tell. <br /><br />3. He also comes out with the same old independence is a certainty due to younger generations. ".....we can be confident Scotland will leave an never consider coming back." More complacency. Remember this is the liar Skier who not that long ago was posting the Referendum bill is all prepared and ready to go live after a win in May 2021.<br /><br />4. Skier also says:- " Yes, he (Salmond ) went for the section 30 approach in the first instance of course, and, as you note life was easy for him as it was granted largely without question." More lies from Skier.<br /><br />Skier and Campbell both producing dodgy graphs to support what they want to say. Skier is worse in my opinion because he promotes complacency and all will turn out well under Sturgeon. It will not. <br /><br />Collatin being a WGD numpty loves the comment because it tells him what he wants to hear. Namely, Salmond did nothing for independence, Sturgeon massively increased yes% and all will be well Scotland will be independent. <br /><br />In summary a WGD numpty congratulating a liar and a Sturgeon propagandist. <br />Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62208312607949501552022-11-26T15:20:57.854+00:002022-11-26T15:20:57.854+00:00Robin McAlipine raises an interesting point in his...Robin McAlipine raises an interesting point in his latest blog regarding how the British State are likely to dismiss any outcome of a Plebiscite election advantageous to us.<br />The turnout for IndyRef I was extraordinary high (84.6%) in comparison to a typical UK, GE (67.5%). <br />Taking a typical turnout for a Westminster GE in Scotland, we would require to achieve 76% of the vote just to match the 2,001,926 No votes in 2014.<br />“We won!”<br />“Yeh, so what! More people voted No in 2014. Get back in your box Jocks.”<br /><br />Going for a Holyrood, Plebiscite would be more likely to expand the turnout by focusing on the constitution and avoiding the inevitable media chatter of an impending “Starmergeddon”. Also, the Holyrood franchise is greater.<br />With increased focus and enthusiasm, we could push voter turnout from a typical Holyrood level (63% in 2021 was an all time high), closer to a referendum level.<br />A 80% turnout would only require 58.5% of votes to match the 2,001,926 No votes in 2014.<br />Conversely if we went for a Holyrood Plebiscite and didn’t manage to raise the turnout beyond 63%, we would require 74% of the vote to match the 2,001,926 No votes from 2014.<br />Whatever way you look at it, Holyrood is the way to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-84552040535839818942022-11-26T15:16:47.646+00:002022-11-26T15:16:47.646+00:00If all you're doing is seeking a Section 30 or...If all you're doing is seeking a Section 30 order for the seventy billionth time, it's not a de facto referendum on independence. The two concepts are mutually exclusive.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50338426084021162502022-11-26T15:12:39.272+00:002022-11-26T15:12:39.272+00:00One advantage of using the UK GE as the de facto r...One advantage of using the UK GE as the de facto referendum is the UK wide and internal media coverage associated with the event, it will attract more attention but probably yield a lower pro any percentage.<br /><br />The importance of the vote is paramount, the current unionist line, citing the 2014 result, is that the people of Scotland don't want independence or an other referendum. Winning this vote would seriously weaken Westminster's already feeble arguments for denying a S30.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40580802460236252302022-11-26T13:51:21.837+00:002022-11-26T13:51:21.837+00:00It must be galling for all these Imperial Britnats...It must be galling for all these Imperial Britnats to see little Quatar spending £220 billion on a football tournament as if it's some loose change they found down the back of a sofa while they are going mental trying to fill a £35 billion black hole in the finances. I bet loads of them still wish Quatar was still British and part of the Empire so they could steal all that lovely oil money. Thieving British b******s. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-29078481607791884422022-11-26T13:42:34.492+00:002022-11-26T13:42:34.492+00:00There's you are again James. What you forecast...There's you are again James. What you forecast in a recent article might undermine the legitimacy of a UK GE de facto referendum being seen as an actual vote for independence - undermining by SNP people. The SNP have been time wasters leading us nowhere for years now but sadly numpties still believe in "OOR NICOLA" well I believe in "OOR INDEPENDENCE". Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-16855289083292004952022-11-26T12:46:15.583+00:002022-11-26T12:46:15.583+00:00In the 1960s when I was compaigning for the SNP I ...In the 1960s when I was compaigning for the SNP I got that precision reaction - " The SNP? Don't make me laugh, lassie."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48139143186669923172022-11-26T11:30:31.904+00:002022-11-26T11:30:31.904+00:00Sturgeon and independence leader in the same sente...Sturgeon and independence leader in the same sentence is pushing it a bit don't you think. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48049739369180599102022-11-26T10:41:40.318+00:002022-11-26T10:41:40.318+00:00Apparently Toni Giugliano, SNP Policy Development ...Apparently Toni Giugliano, SNP Policy Development Convenor and yet another politics graduate that’s never had a proper job in their life, says the Plebiscite is just another terrif wheeze. A “tactic” to extract a “gold standard S30” for a REAL referendum. You could not make this shite up.<br />Cozy feet Pete will acquire octogenarian status on the green benches yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22781781056769358982022-11-26T10:17:13.894+00:002022-11-26T10:17:13.894+00:00"Our Parliament" - you really still thin..."Our Parliament" - you really still think that. "Our FM" just bows down and says she respects the English law that says "Our Parliament cannae do what our people have mandated it to do. "Our FM" from "Our Parliament" also bows down to charley boy THE CROWN so much that her nose is almost scraping the pavement. The CROWN that keeps us in the prison called HMS Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Truly unbelievable the amount of the cringe that is still about and it comes right from the top "Our FM" <br /><br />" Our FM" says she respects a judgement that says Scots are not a people and have no right to self determination. So this is what passes for an independence leader in Scotland in 2022. James posted she was timid and cautious. She is worse than that. How can you expect someone to deliver independence who respects a judgement that says we have no right to self determination and Scots are not a people. Yet Sturgeon is happy to be FM of a non people Parliament. Go figure Sturgeonites. We are on the road to nowhere and that is down to Sturgeonites. <br /><br />We need a REAL parliament. An independent parliament. Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-2753757704512842692022-11-26T05:48:14.621+00:002022-11-26T05:48:14.621+00:00Could London not use the situation to shut our par...Could London not use the situation to shut our parliament as they did with Stormont? They have the run of our useless media afterall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-80181315665678923312022-11-26T03:38:32.170+00:002022-11-26T03:38:32.170+00:00The only reason I can think of to use a Westminste...The only reason I can think of to use a Westminster election is that the unionist parties will be focussed on England and won’t be able to throw all their resources at Scotland.<br /><br />With a Holyrood election they would be buying advertising left, right and centre and bussing up activists from south of the border like they did in 2014.<br /><br />I’d still prefer a Holyrood election to be used though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com