tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post8201662650067368746..comments2024-03-28T22:27:24.624+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Drama as Survation poll shows support for independence INCREASING - and almost half of Scots DEMAND that Nicola Sturgeon should call a referendumJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81561282384585857772018-07-14T20:46:31.317+01:002018-07-14T20:46:31.317+01:00Fuck off, troll.Fuck off, troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9147244229395771062018-07-14T10:53:18.864+01:002018-07-14T10:53:18.864+01:00I think it's still here, James. Most of its ra...I think it's still here, James. Most of its ravings resemble those of the usual troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17122018217296507052018-07-13T21:22:32.538+01:002018-07-13T21:22:32.538+01:00http://survation.com/scots-want-second-independenc...http://survation.com/scots-want-second-independence-referendum/ This one from Survation 3 weeks ago for the Record has Yes at 54% including 16-17yo Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-50255996343840042102018-07-13T07:43:04.369+01:002018-07-13T07:43:04.369+01:001) We’re British too so it’s our identity. 2) We’r...1) We’re British too so it’s our identity. 2) We’re stronger, safer, have more influence & richer.Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52717406129900653312018-07-13T00:18:12.466+01:002018-07-13T00:18:12.466+01:00"A total of 42% think she should, and 49% thi..."A total of 42% think she should, and 49% think she shouldn't. Bear in mind there's a margin of error of 3%..."<br /><br />Could also mean 52/39; margin of error hopes tend to be straw-clutching. I'd rather that they weren't.<br /><br />DerekAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15377436407516756432018-07-12T23:14:38.581+01:002018-07-12T23:14:38.581+01:00The tables have been out since this morning. You&#...The tables have been out since this morning. You're right - unless there's a misprint, it looks like 16-17 year olds were excluded. That's a big retrograde step for SurvationJames Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-78141283385920465332018-07-12T22:48:49.030+01:002018-07-12T22:48:49.030+01:00Kangaroo says
Union 2.0 some more info here
http:/...Kangaroo says<br />Union 2.0 some more info here<br />http://www.businessforscotland.com/delusional-british-exceptionalism-is-all-thats-complicating-brexit/<br /><br />What is the case for the Union? Serious question, it seems to have died, WMs total disrespect surely must make even a staunch unionist think again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-84913134725130439532018-07-12T22:03:29.308+01:002018-07-12T22:03:29.308+01:00I understand. If she does of course, as a unionis...I understand. If she does of course, as a unionist, I'd be hoping for another backlash like in 2017 with the people upset at a Neverendum. I'd also be hoping for a UK delay to see what happens in 2021 and who promises what.<br /><br />Just being honest. I respect your view and think it's plausible, I'll just keep campaigning against another 'once in a generation' referendum so soon, official or unofficial.Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77256854140959768312018-07-12T21:39:41.813+01:002018-07-12T21:39:41.813+01:00I've seen a breakdown of age groups for this p...I've seen a breakdown of age groups for this poll, but no 16-17 year old's. I suppose we need to wait for the full tables to see if they were included.Marcianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51893836969149984612018-07-12T21:29:56.280+01:002018-07-12T21:29:56.280+01:00Where has that "Scotty Popper" troll gon...Where has that "Scotty Popper" troll gone all of a sudden? I know he kept saying that football was coming home, but surely it can't be that...James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91830403728900293202018-07-12T21:06:25.497+01:002018-07-12T21:06:25.497+01:00I'm happy that getting on for 4 years later, t...I'm happy that getting on for 4 years later, the polls still show Yes as well in the game. There's no element of support having completely melted away, despite the prevailing winds of the UK media. I take that as the glass half full, rather than the glass half empty of wondering why they haven't moved ahead past 50%.<br /><br />As someone said above the polls will probably only show large movements during a proper IndyRef campaign.<br /><br />It'd be brilliant if the polls were at 60%. There's no point in saying "oh that would be terrible" - that'd be nonsense.<br /><br />(Although if they were there'd be zero chance of a Section 30, which puts you down other roads, and in any campaign the love bombings and Vows would start on the first day of campaigning, not last minute panics.)<br /><br />But I stand by my statement that I'd prefer the Yes side to go into an Indyref2 narrowly behind rather than ahead. I just think it would encourage a better mindset of coming up with the proper arguments to try to persuade new people to vote for Yes, and not just trying to hang on to the ones who were already thinking of Yes. But it's just my personal preference.<br /><br />We can agonise over polls for forever and a day but at some point you just have to go for it and see what happens...Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68852031891203811962018-07-12T20:42:17.344+01:002018-07-12T20:42:17.344+01:00Very interesting and I like your analysis.
Does t...Very interesting and I like your analysis.<br /><br />Does that mean you’re happier with polls at 40-50% than 60%?Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62715970578543898382018-07-12T20:09:38.457+01:002018-07-12T20:09:38.457+01:00None of your Scots pies and bridies for me. Scotti...None of your Scots pies and bridies for me. Scottish Salmon, Roast Beef followed by Strawberries, Cream and Ice Cream. Protest all you want leftie fatties.The Donaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63245331594541956382018-07-12T19:51:59.750+01:002018-07-12T19:51:59.750+01:0060%!! You would be having premature ejaculation we...60%!! You would be having premature ejaculation wetties in yer panties.The Donaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74048926800373274062018-07-12T19:12:42.507+01:002018-07-12T19:12:42.507+01:005: Still waiting to see what clusterfuck will come...5: Still waiting to see what clusterfuck will come out of Brexit. At the moment any and all of the following appear possible in various combinations:<br /><br />(a) Conservative leadership election which May may or may not win<br /><br />(b) if May hangs on, sort of soft-ish but not that soft Brexit based on the Chequers proposals if the ERG-ers back down (that may then get a bit softer if further concessions are needed to get the EU onboard)<br /><br />(c) hard Brexit if May turns tail again and figures the ERG are the bigger group to placate than the Tory Remain rebels<br /><br />(d) no deal crash out Brexit - which looks increasingly likely because there's not the numbers in Parliament for anything really (and half the ERG probably want that anyway) and time is getting short<br /><br />(e) limbo period if A50 extension is somehow agreed when everyone realises (d) is where it's going<br /><br />(f) Government collapses in paralysis as ERG effectively withdraws its support, general election and/or second EU referendum to try and break the logjam<br /><br />(g) other stuff which I'm sure we're yet to be lumped with<br /><br />In that sense indyref might as well hang on a bit longer for the wavefunction to collapse more, although I do agree there's not much time left to wait it out - but it does start to feel like we're getting towards the Brexit endgame. <br /><br />Anyway I said it before but will say it again: I think I'd prefer to start indyref2 campaigning from 47% Yes than 60% Yes. I think that will foster a better, more positive campaign than potentially hunkering down and trying to hang onto what we've got from a 60% Yes poll.Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91336414580863414882018-07-12T18:44:34.455+01:002018-07-12T18:44:34.455+01:00Good point, anonymous. But what does that mean for...Good point, anonymous. But what does that mean for the SNP - have they stopped calling for another ref because:<br /><br />1: they want Yes to be consistently at 60% first<br /><br />2: they won’t hold an unofficial one if the UK delays it to after the next Scots Parliament elections<br /><br />3: they want to see how we feel about the Brexit result first<br /><br />4: they’re terrified of another loss<br /><br />...or any other reason you can think of? If they’re going to call one, when do you think it should be, and how long before it actually happens, and will it be an official one or not?Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62258269954611927782018-07-12T18:11:21.664+01:002018-07-12T18:11:21.664+01:00A finger in the dyke. Ooh, matron!A finger in the dyke. Ooh, matron!Tiziano Fleder-Mimsienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-87278701066992779372018-07-12T17:44:41.640+01:002018-07-12T17:44:41.640+01:00like last time Union2.0, only during a proper Indy...like last time Union2.0, only during a proper IndyRef campaign. Its the only time 'normal' folk really know it's worth the hassle to realistically consider each case for a) the Union b) Independence<br /><br />Its been relegated to 300 years of pub talk for Scots. Only a real democratic decision motivates. But when it happens, boy does it motivate! :)<br /><br />Hence the Unionist war cry 'No IndyRef2!' <br /><br />A finger in the dyke. Its coming so everyone better get ready to put forward their best case again...<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85390314420198355482018-07-12T14:12:21.151+01:002018-07-12T14:12:21.151+01:00Are these polls ever going to budge either way?!Are these polls ever going to budge either way?!Union 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/16006292834539508418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-8587174118271812892018-07-12T14:03:49.850+01:002018-07-12T14:03:49.850+01:00That's just a tiny subsample from a GB-wide po...That's just a tiny subsample from a GB-wide poll. I've never taken the view that subsamples are completely useless, but if you look at one subsample in isolation you're likely to be misled.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62758634455034194522018-07-12T13:51:27.393+01:002018-07-12T13:51:27.393+01:00What do you make of the Kantat poll that Prof John...What do you make of the Kantat poll that Prof John Robertson mentioned? He does attach caveats to it in his blog but thinks it interesting on the trends.<br /><br />The Kantar poll of 18+adults’ Westminster voting intentions, collected between 5th and 9th July 2018, gives the following percentages:<br /><br />SNP 39%<br />Conservatives 20%<br />Labour 19%<br />Lib Dems 4%<br />Other 5%<br />Prefer not to say 14%Brian Powellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-49157954973269450162018-07-12T13:43:26.303+01:002018-07-12T13:43:26.303+01:00would take a referendum tomorrow. who in their rig...would take a referendum tomorrow. who in their right mind wants to live under the heel of westminster anymore. all you have is life under the tories, or life under labour. far better we live under holyrood with smaller parties in coalition, who must work for the greater good, or they fail. independence will come for us, of that i am positive.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125061925256074948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21562522640110876662018-07-12T12:57:08.024+01:002018-07-12T12:57:08.024+01:00I wish it was higher but 47% is only 4% away. That...I wish it was higher but 47% is only 4% away. That's nothing in a campaign against the shambles of Brexit and the Tories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com