tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post7666609835599468830..comments2024-03-29T09:23:57.275+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: Which of the criticisms of the SNP's new strategy on independence are fair, and which are unfair?James Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90608356619723256492022-07-16T04:29:27.441+01:002022-07-16T04:29:27.441+01:00I have no confidence in Sturgeon or any of her cab...I have no confidence in Sturgeon or any of her cabal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-15387865673600458352022-07-13T12:33:45.157+01:002022-07-13T12:33:45.157+01:00On the whole...she has come IP with a place...but ...On the whole...she has come IP with a place...but as we see the union is asserting its forced reply of No to a referendom...it is time our Government stood up and instead of asking from Westminster started demending..further the government should be creating lists of things the British establishments has and is doing which proves Scotland isnt an equal partner in the union..proving that shows the Britain itself has broke the treaty of the union..lastly the sovereignty of the Scots people must be addressed by the government and that held to the highest governence of our courts in Scotland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-59994691256260091342022-07-10T13:03:36.708+01:002022-07-10T13:03:36.708+01:00The simple answer to your question is no. They...The simple answer to your question is no. They've been forced to do it this way round because of the Lord Advocate's lack of "confidence" (or, to put it another way, because they selected the wrong Lord Advocate last year).James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66444834313548802752022-07-10T12:40:37.483+01:002022-07-10T12:40:37.483+01:00Is the Lord Advocate's position not just a way...Is the Lord Advocate's position not just a way of getting things to the supreme court quicker? i.e. if the LA had said it was in the competency of the Scottish Parliament, it would have been challenged which would have taken time. The "I'm not sure" bit, puts it straight to the supreme court (a provision that's part of the devolution settlement) which again takes all the timing away from the UnionistsMike Lothianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13237750772765325464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-66587321366596225012022-07-10T12:03:00.561+01:002022-07-10T12:03:00.561+01:00It won't happen because Sturgeon's SNP and...It won't happen because Sturgeon's SNP and Harvie's Greens hate Salmond and Alba with a passion and would rather lose than include them. Felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00186552799719728005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36639115671688235322022-07-09T22:01:19.684+01:002022-07-09T22:01:19.684+01:00To quote Eric Burdon "We Gotta Get Out of Thi...To quote Eric Burdon "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" Have a look at this article <br />https://nation.cymru/opinion/out-of-the-frying-pan-why-welsh-autonomy-may-not-be-entirely-safe-under-a-labour-uk-government/WTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-12168141292197964362022-07-09T17:09:54.797+01:002022-07-09T17:09:54.797+01:00"Standing up in Holyrood and saying "we ...<i>"Standing up in Holyrood and saying "we intend to have an independence referendum on the 19th October 2023" is a fairly odd way to drop the pretence that there will definitely be a referendum next year."</i><br /><br />It's not remotely odd when later in the same speech she says the referendum may not happen, and if it doesn't she will use a plebiscite election instead. As I said in the blogpost, the point you're making is very hard to understand because it's not actually grounded in reality. It's like you're only hearing the part of the speech you want to hear and conveniently disregarding the rest. Nicola Sturgeon can be blamed for many things, but she can't be blamed for that.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-7980909169144077642022-07-09T17:03:57.272+01:002022-07-09T17:03:57.272+01:00"She has created the condions for a narrow bu...<i>"She has created the condions for a narrow but guaranteed defeat under either option - wake up!"</i><br /><br />If you're right, we need to foil their dastardly plot by making sure they win a majority. That'll show 'em.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-5823464044507935912022-07-09T14:47:12.197+01:002022-07-09T14:47:12.197+01:00It certainly looks that way. Confrontation with We...It certainly looks that way. Confrontation with Westminster should be demanded by the Yes movement instead of sitting back and meekly accepting inaction. Where are the protests outside parliament both in Edinburgh and London! Where is the anger! Why is the Yes movement giving NS so much hiding space! Are we actually feart of her and don’t want to admit it? If NS won’t confront Westminster then the Yes movement needs to confront NS. That is reality. That is where we are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48702053147675793882022-07-09T10:53:28.678+01:002022-07-09T10:53:28.678+01:00Wouldn't it be wise if SNP, Scottish Greens an...Wouldn't it be wise if SNP, Scottish Greens and Alba all make a joint pledge prior to any Plebiscite Election saying a vote for any of these parties is a vote for outright independence and therefore if together they achieve 50% plus 1 vote, then that's is the majority of Scots (instead of just the SNP achieving 50% on their own)?Kenny2208https://www.blogger.com/profile/07191786206664890577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-90803210015396042592022-07-09T10:25:31.059+01:002022-07-09T10:25:31.059+01:00"it's probably best to make a virtue out ..."it's probably best to make a virtue out of necessity by voluntarily acknowledging from the outset that only a majority of votes will do."<br /><br />I'm ok with that in principle, but if it comes to that I'd like the SNP to be clear what happens if they smash a "plebiscite" GE in terms of seats but fall a bit short of the magic 50% barrier. If the SNP wins, say, 57 out of 49 seats on circa 48% of the vote (and for simplicity let's say that includes other pro indy party votes), then what? If we're saying we need more than 50% votes for indy, then less than that presumably has to count as it would a >50% no vote, i.e. we accept we lost. So what are all those MPs going to do at Westminster?<br /><br />" the whole point of her announcement was to finally drop the pretence that there will definitely be a referendum next year."<br /><br />Standing up in Holyrood and saying "we intend to have an independence referendum on the 19th October 2023" is a fairly odd way to drop the pretence that there will definitely be a referendum next year.<br /><br />Dropping the pretence would have been just that - it would have been saying we wanted a referendum, it's clear that we won't get a S30 from Westminster, it's highly likely the Supreme Court would say that it's outside the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament, so we're moving straight to plebiscite elections to win independence. <br /><br />Suggesting a date and presenting a bill to the Parliament is still clear pretence, in my view. I'm not saying those steps aren't necessary to support the ultimate destination of a plebiscite, but I don't agree that somehow the pretence has been dropped. All that Sturgeon's done is finally accept that a Plan B is needed in order to stop Plan A being held in limbo indefinitely.Robert Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-81682883459199736522022-07-09T10:11:23.411+01:002022-07-09T10:11:23.411+01:00Sturgeon is still micromanaging everything. There ...Sturgeon is still micromanaging everything. There has been justifiable criticism of the lack of fight being shown by pro-indy politicians, it may be, on the SNP side at least, that this is because they are under strict instructions from Sturgeon not to do or say anything radical in their approach to independence. Even so it is extremely disappointing to see pro-indy politicians behaving like feart school children when we are in one of the most important periods of Scotland's history. We need fighters, not fearties. We need to have them leading from the front, not hiding behind self-imposed barriers.<br /><br />And it is primarily Sturgeon who continues to build these self-imposed barriers. It does not inspire confidence, and confidence is exactly what is needed to counter the infamous Scottish Cringe which still infects too many of Scotland's people. <br /><br />If she doesn't change soon she will gone down in history as a traitor to Scotland, and rightly so. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-17324403058802369062022-07-09T08:36:00.947+01:002022-07-09T08:36:00.947+01:00You still don’t get it. She is planning to lose th...You still don’t get it. She is planning to lose the Referendum or the plebiscite election. She is window dressing the defeat. She has created the condions for a narrow but guaranteed defeat under either option - wake up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45439215656228108242022-07-09T08:30:48.259+01:002022-07-09T08:30:48.259+01:00There is one thing NS could do that would put the ...There is one thing NS could do that would put the YES movement on the front foot uniting those with doubts and stop the continuous commentary that keeps the wider Yes movement focusing on negatives we can do nothing about such as the wrongs done by Westminster to Scotland instead of the positives of being an independent country. Confront the British State. There would be no hiding room for those with an agenda other than independence and no need to interpret what the SNP are saying. By not confronting Westminster weakens the Scottish independence movement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-53097620051266806102022-07-09T08:04:37.943+01:002022-07-09T08:04:37.943+01:00Although I'm still an SNP member it is some ti...Although I'm still an SNP member it is some time since I pretty much lost all confidence in the current leadership and went on to a 'believe it when I see it' basis.<br />That said we have to behave as if this turn towards independence is real. We are upping our public YES events locally and consciously working towards a local united front including any and all democratic, pro independence groups. <br />Political sectarianism is every bit as ugly and destructive as religious sectarianism. A politically mature and inclusive independence movement has every chance of success in the coming months - let's be grown up and seize the time !Alt Cluthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13482350112125105748noreply@blogger.com