tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post7465370465642598709..comments2024-03-29T13:29:10.299+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The grotesque end-point of unionist logic : if you don't vote in line with English norms, you've got no-one but yourselves to blame for the consequencesJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91582536304614287332015-06-22T19:41:11.244+01:002015-06-22T19:41:11.244+01:00I can well see why libdems would switch to labour....I can well see why libdems would switch to labour. But why tory? Perhaps the threat of the SNP kingmaker scenario led them to jump ship. I think it was probably THE decisive issue of the campaign. The tories were floundering around up until last September, waiting, hoping and praying for 'something' to fall into their lap. The SNP surge duly obliged. England doesn't much like hard left separatists. What better way to counter them than to elect tories - right wing unionists?Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-46929166886970604522015-06-22T19:27:51.211+01:002015-06-22T19:27:51.211+01:00To heroically sacrifice themselves on occasion, fo...To heroically sacrifice themselves on occasion, for the good of the country. Look at Greece and think "there but for the grace of God...."Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91291625817730775782015-06-22T19:16:59.175+01:002015-06-22T19:16:59.175+01:00Tories and labour always form the government - eit...Tories and labour always form the government - either by themselves or, much more rarely, as senior partner in an coalition / alliance.<br /><br />It stands to reason that more tory and labour MPs means more power. It means greater access to power and greater access to the cabinet. Which is better - an opposition SNP feebleite or a tory who just also happens to be, oh I don't know.....secretary of state for defence or chancellor? <br /><br />If you're going to be in, be properly in. Don't have one foot out of the door. If you do, you wont suffer necessarily - you just wont have any influence.Aldohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03385445471036440872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-827576283720653802015-06-22T00:41:14.916+01:002015-06-22T00:41:14.916+01:00I don’t see this going away until the Scottish peo...<em>I don’t see this going away until the Scottish people realise that Conservative government is a consequence of their supporting the SNP in such large numbers</em><br /><br />God almighty, I had no idea my estimation of the Lib Dems could go lower, but... they've totally and utterly abdicated any responsibility, haven't they? <br /><br />Because I'm pretty sure the Lib Dems lost 27 of their seats... to the Conservatives. The SNP didn't lose a single seat to the Conservatives. They actively contributed a net anti-Tory vote - unlike the Lib Dems. I'd say, frankly, that the Lib Dems being eaten by their coalition partners did far more to ensure a Tory majority than fear of the SNP - in this case, we can be *sure* that there were more Tory MPs as a result of lost Lib Dem seats.<br /><br />But sure, go on, blame the SNP for the Conservatives gaining seats. Not the Lib Dems. Oh no. 27 seats? Nothing to do with them.Taranaichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02176999342965850175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-43033877731087553802015-06-21T19:44:26.813+01:002015-06-21T19:44:26.813+01:00who's the teacher? the ECHR?
great metaphor -...who's the teacher? the ECHR?<br />great metaphor - you might also like https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/this-dysfunctional-uk-family-of-nations/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-45323654632224565052015-06-21T15:57:01.901+01:002015-06-21T15:57:01.901+01:00I agree with Keaton. Carol Lindsay is undoubtedly...I agree with Keaton. Carol Lindsay is undoubtedly a diehard Brit Nat, but I don't think she is a bigot at all. There are loads of people like Carol Lindsay in the middle classes in Scotland. She is like Christine Jardine, Willie Rennie, Tavish Scott etc. They are more unionist than they are federalists.muttley79noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-92175485664410839762015-06-21T14:01:17.758+01:002015-06-21T14:01:17.758+01:00It was also somewhat tongue in cheek.It was also somewhat tongue in cheek.Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55345506575256023332015-06-21T13:40:46.379+01:002015-06-21T13:40:46.379+01:00Its not only English Norms,Its beginning to show i...Its not only English Norms,Its beginning to show its ugly head here in Scotland, Many Debates Are being Curtailed In so called Yes/Snp Type forums, The owners/Admin Have Suddenly decided, they are going to be the voice that dictates Debate, If that Continues, Scotland will become fractured and Be in a worse state than ever, Its bad enough politicians do it, But your Own People ??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11458775687663224576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51550995146417049662015-06-21T12:39:57.196+01:002015-06-21T12:39:57.196+01:00But we don't spend much time on here criticisi...But we <i>don't</i> spend much time on here criticising the BNP, which is fair enough because they barely exist in Scottish (or even British) politics. And the Lib Dems' current, tangible influence is probably not much greater than theirs.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-423281129763300272015-06-21T12:39:35.243+01:002015-06-21T12:39:35.243+01:00"That may well take another parliament or two..."That may well take another parliament or two, unless *anyone has a bright idea*".<br /><br />I guess that's the LibDem way of excusing themselves from contributing to this processAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14838561491701683431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-13472841820330223912015-06-21T12:29:57.276+01:002015-06-21T12:29:57.276+01:00Now that unionist party MPs are utterly humiliated...Now that unionist party MPs are utterly humiliated and annihilated in scotland, you <i>do</i> realise that out of touch unionists impotently shrieking "we won't let you!" is even more fuckwitted than their previous 'bright idea' that Devolution would kill the SNP andIindependence "stone dead", don't you?<br /><br />*chortle*<br /><br />:-)<br /><br />Mick Porknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23808849365152654522015-06-21T11:26:36.456+01:002015-06-21T11:26:36.456+01:00I have a "bright idea" - let's have ...I have a "bright idea" - let's have a Declaration of Sovereignty from the Scottish people. Exercising our democratic right to govern ourselves independently will stop these Unionist bullies in short order - and they would have no-one but themselves to blame for the consequences. What are we waiting for?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-22683110918978569822015-06-21T10:51:11.159+01:002015-06-21T10:51:11.159+01:00I can recall exactly this tactic being used by Lab...I can recall exactly this tactic being used by Labour in council campaigns: vote Labour, or you won't have a Labour councillor to protect you from the Labour administration. And they acted on this, to the extent that the leader of the SNP group protested at the closure of a library, saying that it was being done simply to punish the people in that community for voting Tory.Vronskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797785918817375436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-11177366835898267492015-06-21T08:15:56.296+01:002015-06-21T08:15:56.296+01:00Yup. But in reality, if it makes no difference who...Yup. But in reality, if it makes no difference whom we vote for at Westminster, then the mandate can simply be a majority of MP's and the outcome that they sit in Edinburgh. Just like the Irish did 100 years ago.<br /><br />We actually don't need their permission. They are being foolish in their mishandling of the situation. I cant see how they think they are going to hold us in their "union" by entrenching a position we don't accept.<br /><br />We all know which groups voted No. The demography is clearly running in our direction. Are they going to do a Han Chinese and send in waves of griatric colonists to keep us down?<br /><br />The tide is running our way. Historically the SNP wax and wane. But every surge gets higher. Even if in the short term we do badly for a few years, the next time will be the end of their colonial rule. Have they learned nothing from all those former colonies who hate them the world over?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-7500013591843896572015-06-21T07:17:00.598+01:002015-06-21T07:17:00.598+01:00By that logic there is no point criticizing the BN...By that logic there is no point criticizing the BNP. Seriously, that's a genuinely strange argument you're making. Like, weird.Al Skinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131219905689635124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-82132491206467003812015-06-21T01:37:25.870+01:002015-06-21T01:37:25.870+01:00Oh the bullying tactic, again. If you don't vo...Oh the bullying tactic, again. If you don't vote how we say, we will come after you with an even bigger gang to beat you up, And we would like, kick, you to hand over your dinner money for the next 5 years at least, kick punch, if you want any peace at all. It's your choice and your own fault if we have to beat you up again and no one will believe what you say so I Wouldn't bother even trying to cry to teacher. Haha...hettyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01793665202804693416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-72484109588007367812015-06-21T00:00:55.333+01:002015-06-21T00:00:55.333+01:00Is it really churlish? It is really mean spirited ...Is it really churlish? It is really mean spirited to point out that the pish they spout is the reason they got their arse kicked? I think it more exasperation with people who don't seem to realise they lost, or if they did can't accept that they hold any responsibility for it. I remember the same levels of growing anger with the Tories back in the 80s and 90s, as they kept parroting that their loss of relevance was "grievance" politics from people with a council house mentality that had just not got the message. That party has never recovered here. Why? Because they are still spouting the same old bollocks. Even Alex Massie commented on them as being "on the wrong side of history but content to stay there".<br /><br />They are blaming the SNP and those who voted it for not chugging down a cold cup of sick and voting them or labour. Sadly with Scottish labour, they seem content to follow the same line.<br /><br />Misery loves company after all it seems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24833703864405573572015-06-20T23:21:29.019+01:002015-06-20T23:21:29.019+01:00What is the point of the Libdems? What is the point of the Libdems? ThomasPotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07988181694826109700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-65162352170245153912015-06-20T23:15:02.558+01:002015-06-20T23:15:02.558+01:00What is the point of the Libdems? What is the point of the Libdems? ThomasPotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07988181694826109700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67270930238787972022015-06-20T22:51:47.140+01:002015-06-20T22:51:47.140+01:00Criticising the Lib Dems as this point seems a bit...Criticising the Lib Dems as this point seems a bit churlish. Really, what's the point? We might as well spend our time criticising the Ramblers' Association or the Campaign for Real Ale. They have about the same level of political influence.Stoatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-61537058692768553572015-06-20T21:41:35.448+01:002015-06-20T21:41:35.448+01:00I'm quite surprised at your description of CL....I'm quite surprised at your description of CL. She seems to me a very typical, fairly beige Lib Dem. What's she done that's bigoted?keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-3038815928320935782015-06-20T21:37:34.425+01:002015-06-20T21:37:34.425+01:00Yup.
Every single London based party was exposed d...Yup.<br />Every single London based party was exposed during our referendum as out and out conservatives who will say and do anything in order to maintain England's dominance of Scottish affairs.<br />All the B/S about devolution/federalism shown up to be empty electioneering rhetoric designed to enhance party advantage in England's parliament and nothing more.<br />Maybe our fellow No voting Scots will waken up to reality one day and decide that Yes,it might be a good idea to have a say in our future.<br /><br />bringitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10712089398887269381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-55605205924633706332015-06-20T21:28:27.717+01:002015-06-20T21:28:27.717+01:00Caron Lindsay. Why is such a political extremist...Caron Lindsay. Why is such a political extremist and all round bigot in a party which calls itself the Liberal Democrats?<br /><br /> Why are there not front page headlines about her disgusting attacks on anybody Scottish or even in her own party who didn't suck on Clegg the way she did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60802667817284397122015-06-20T21:22:51.706+01:002015-06-20T21:22:51.706+01:00Now that the unionist parties are fiercely competi...Now that the unionist parties are fiercely competing with one-another to be seen as the most anti-Scottish, you do realize that there ain't going to be an Edinburgh Agreement 2, don't you?Luiginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67901453600954780572015-06-20T19:45:40.739+01:002015-06-20T19:45:40.739+01:00" An article at Lib Dem Voice"
LOL
To ...<i>" An article at Lib Dem Voice"</i><br /><br />LOL<br /><br />To be fair James Lib Dem Pravda gives the lunatics on Stormfront Lite/PB a run for their money for being wildly out of touch and trapped in westminster bubble stupidity. <br /><br />Even if the lib dems weren't a complete irrelevance to scottish politics now it's not as if the very beating heart of Clegg's ostrich faction over at LDV could be relied on for anything other than comedy. <br /><br />Only today the continuity Clegg candidate Lamb has been caught red handed using dirty tricks against Farron. Most of James regulars will of course know that lib dem HQ and it's cheerleaders are extremely fond of using dirty tricks not just against their political opponents but their own members and MPs who go against the right-wing Clegg orthodoxy.<br /><br />For those with a short memory Clegg was fastest out of the block briefing against Ming Campbell to get him toppled. There can also be little doubt it is Clegg and his odious ilk who helped Lamb and his staff engage in the diry tricks push/polling about Farron and gay rights since it was Clegg's ostrich faction who first did that years ago when Farron was looking 'dangerously' popular and a possible Clegg replacement among the lib dem grass roots.<br /><br /><i>" the responsibility lies entirely with Labour and the Lib Dems for failing to tackle that fear head-on, rather than fuel it."</i><br /><br />Of course. <br /><br />It's pure cowardice fuelled by their westminster bubble fear of the Daily Mail and the rest of the idiot right-wing tabloids. It certainly won't matter for the lib dems now that they are an irrelevance, (their comical leadership contest still boils down to who will lead a taxi full of MPs) but as was pointed out on Wings if Labour is still trying appease right-wing tabloids by going along with their bigoted spin on a democratic scottish party then they can wave bye-bye to any chance of meaningful recovery for the foreseeable future.<br /><br />Mick Porknoreply@blogger.com