tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post6947919467894862167..comments2024-03-28T10:46:35.575+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: 91% of the British public say the lockdown should be extended, according to YouGov pollJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-21819782077133020362020-04-11T22:41:02.844+01:002020-04-11T22:41:02.844+01:00I am delighted at the trend started by prince Char...I am delighted at the trend started by prince Charles where well-off Londoners leave their city to come to beautiful rural parts of our country with restricted health services during the Covid19 emergency. This is in contravention of essential travel guidelines.<br />Examples are Labour peer (yes, there are such socialist lordlings) Lord Haworth who recently popped up at his holiday home (yes, he's a socialist lord) in Avoch in the Black Isle.<br />Another example is ex Tory MP and now M&S boss Archie Norman who has appeared with his family at their holiday home in Lismore. If this laddo brought his car to the island, he travelled from Oban on the CalMac car ferry which is surprising because CalMac claim to have an essential travel policy.<br />Maybe it only applies to people who don't own holiday homes. Like most people.<br />We then have stories of Colonel Windbag's jaunts around the country in her car so she could wave at her parents. <br />Then Tory MSPs Murdo Fraser and the wife with dark hair whose name nobody knows go poncing around the Monadh Ruadh.<br />It's good to know we're all taking this on the chin together.Pandysharknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-85761858947193290642020-04-11T07:56:01.200+01:002020-04-11T07:56:01.200+01:00Stench of this.Stench of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-34768595009242717402020-04-11T07:54:59.176+01:002020-04-11T07:54:59.176+01:00Cite your evidence.Cite your evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-31792512017821361402020-04-10T21:43:41.537+01:002020-04-10T21:43:41.537+01:00Yea Wales did change its reporting systems a coupl...Yea Wales did change its reporting systems a couple of days ago so could be something to do with that. With the bank holidays/weekend coming effecting data from tomorrow do think we are going to get an accurate picture of were we are at until late next week.Adamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-33625239557544875422020-04-10T21:33:37.161+01:002020-04-10T21:33:37.161+01:00Aye, difficult to tell if wales is just a bit behi...Aye, difficult to tell if wales is just a bit behind behind Scotland, or there is a wee touch of a difference. It's within +/- 24 hr error as things stand.<br /><br />Both equal orders of magnitude, and one order lower than England for about the same position on the timeline.<br /><br />There's little doubt that the devolved nations were a bit further back on the curve compared to England, meaning their move to lockdown immediately on getting powers allowed them to lower the infection rate substantially.Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-52553164941036682532020-04-10T21:18:00.887+01:002020-04-10T21:18:00.887+01:00We could have UK type monopoly game. Throw the di...We could have UK type monopoly game. Throw the dice and see how many dies in each UK area. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-75789720305288964862020-04-10T21:11:29.183+01:002020-04-10T21:11:29.183+01:00The usual fallback position is we Nat sis blame th...The usual fallback position is we Nat sis blame the English including the English living in Scotland. A witch hunt against the English is required. If we evict the English then things will improve. GWCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70014472890667545292020-04-10T21:03:37.821+01:002020-04-10T21:03:37.821+01:00Compliance has as much to do with it as the maths,...Compliance has as much to do with it as the maths, if people don't behave responsibly then the figures become FUBARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14951408436376124842020-04-10T20:55:53.852+01:002020-04-10T20:55:53.852+01:00Iceland and Austria have done random survey testin...Iceland and Austria have done random survey testings - and their estimate is that at the moment about 1% of the population of both countries is infected. If you add those who've already had it you'd probably come to 2 or 3 per cent at the most. I'd say Scotland would be somewhere in line with those figures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-68700033056851873402020-04-10T20:49:00.663+01:002020-04-10T20:49:00.663+01:00Comparing Scotland to England & the three devo...Comparing Scotland to England & the three devolved nations you see some patterns emerge. Scotland and Wales were tracking each other for the first couple of weeks, there has been some divergence over the last week or so, with Scotland's deaths rate pulling ahead of Wales sadly. <br /><br />Northern Ireland is a little behind the curve compared to the other UK Nations, but deaths are lower than the other nations were at the same point. Against Ireland (its on roughly the same curve) Northern Ireland's deaths are noticeably lower. As mentioned above all UK Nations aside from England deaths are lower than Hubei at the same point. Hopefully we will see the curves of all the countries flattening sooner rather than latter.<br /><br />Chart here:https://postimg.cc/K331MNBMAdamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-67401379293113185322020-04-10T20:34:30.065+01:002020-04-10T20:34:30.065+01:00I blame those that voted No in 2014 to an Independ...I blame those that voted No in 2014 to an Independent Scotland for denying our current and future Scottish governments the powers to make decisions and choices over the policies that will affect them.<br /><br />Instead, leaving the big decisions up to a Westminster government that the people of Scotland did not choose to govern them. You get what you asked for.<br /><br />Maybe next time, eh?Thepnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-30654665000423285082020-04-10T20:20:58.983+01:002020-04-10T20:20:58.983+01:00Sure james. They started the lockdown earlier with...Sure james. They started the lockdown earlier with pubs etc, but hit full 'offices' lockdown at a similar point to Scotland as you note.<br /><br />Some were saying they're doing much better than Scotland because of this, but the trends are basically the same.Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-20185131735242640242020-04-10T20:13:05.780+01:002020-04-10T20:13:05.780+01:00From memory, Ireland announced a full lockdown lat...From memory, Ireland announced a full lockdown later than the UK, but they announced the closure of pubs and clubs quite a bit earlier. So it's difficult to make a direct comparison on dates.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56756855355778353832020-04-10T20:09:35.164+01:002020-04-10T20:09:35.164+01:00Latest data for Ireland in comparison with Scotlan...Latest data for Ireland in comparison with Scotland.<br /><br />For day 15 after the first 10 deaths (representing e.g. 1000 infections 3+ weeks previously) we have:<br /><br />Ireland 288 fatalities<br />Scotland ~277<br /><br />Basically identical within error.<br /><br />We are tracking Ireland almost identically so far in terms of infection rate, but Scotland is running around 4 days ahead.<br /><br />The earlier lockdown in Ireland so far has not had an obvious benefit so far. Which is not a criticism; it's very hard to call as you don't really know exactly how many infections you are dealing with, and whether it's still under control, or starting to spread in the community widely. Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-60636930163895094122020-04-10T20:08:40.158+01:002020-04-10T20:08:40.158+01:00I blame both governments, I am angry and upset at ...I blame both governments, I am angry and upset at both of them due to the obvious failures mentioned above.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02407538305849702468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-14143184062197881892020-04-10T19:01:19.765+01:002020-04-10T19:01:19.765+01:00The only possible way to have gained these powers ...The only possible way to have gained these powers over lockdown earlier than when they were "gifted" from Westminster would be if Scotland was already an Independent country making it's own laws.<br /><br />The SG could have asked the SRU to cancel the game at Murrayfield against France, to what effect? The SRU could simply has said they were following UK government guidance. I'm pretty sure that the information that the Scottish government had to go on at that time would have been all provided by Westminster too. Who knows, maybe they had an agenda of their own that they weren't particularly keen on sharing with the devolved parliaments?<br /><br />You're arguement for an earlier shutdown must be with the Westminster government, that's the consequence of being a devolved government and not in sole charge of your laws or when to introduce them.<br /><br />You want to point a finger and to blame someone for not having a lockdown far earlier?<br /><br />Then point it where the blame lies, and that's Boris Johnson and his advisors, especially Dominic Cummings, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance who favoured the so called "herd immunity" strategy.<br /><br />Neither you nor I know what went on in these Cobra meetings, all I do know is that it was the Scottish government that forced Boris Johnson's hand by being the first to announce the banning of large gatherings, the closure of pubs and especially the closure of schools.<br /><br />If you're looking for a scapegoat, I suggest you have a ready made one in the Prime Minister, Boris Johnson. He is in charge of the UK, it was also his government that chose to ignore the lack of preparedness for such a pandemic despite the warnings over the years.<br /><br />I know which of the two I'd prefer to be wholly in charge of governing Scotland, that would be the one that's not a clown.Thepnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-27712892363581639362020-04-10T19:01:15.176+01:002020-04-10T19:01:15.176+01:00Here here. Spot on.Here here. Spot on.Legerwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01601638249690324088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40598927211883062122020-04-10T19:00:38.340+01:002020-04-10T19:00:38.340+01:00Why didn't the UK pass the legislation earlier...Why didn't the UK pass the legislation earlier? It's a reserved area, not a devolved one. And Scotland asked for full powers numerous times but these were refused (no Section 30).<br /><br />Anyway, the evidence from Ireland is that shutting down notably earlier hasn't made any obvious difference. Timing here is key. Too early and it just won't have any real impact.<br /><br />Ireland has actually had more deaths than Scotland on the infection timeline at points. The latest data has only 14 extra lives saved there and that's not really statistically significant. Maybe in time Ireland might look better, but for now there's no clear difference from Scotland.<br /><br />Also, Scotland is comfortably behind china. For the same day 19 after the first 10 deaths (today in Scotland) we have:<br />495 Scotland<br />974 Hubei, China<br />2352 UK<br /><br />It's the UK that's looking really bad.<br />Scotland's lockdown has been earlier and harder than Hubei, so clearly Holyrood did take the warning.Scottish Skierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10584099659760612109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-89422766826702820432020-04-10T18:01:15.152+01:002020-04-10T18:01:15.152+01:00My question for the Scottish government would bebw...My question for the Scottish government would bebwhy didn't they foresee having to gain and use these powers earlier. They had a three month plus warning from China, I am sure our lead scientific adviser would have confirmed a long time ago that the only way to suppress such an out break would be through a lockdown. They could have and should have asked for such powers to be granted earlier. And do you think if Scottish government requested the SRU and Six Nations to cancel the game at Murrayfield do you think they would have carried on regardless? Highly unlikely. <br /><br />Other failures which led to the virus spreading across the Highlands was likely allowing Scottish ski centres to stay open for an extra week, again the government could have led the way by closing down Cairngorm mountain a week early, where no doubt other ski centres would have followed suit, sadly that the one government run ski centre was the last to close, encouraging people to come and stay in Aviemore the final weekend, and it's not hard to imagine that last influx of people to Highlands had a role its spread here.<br /><br />Daryl.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02407538305849702468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-77988036020397455042020-04-10T17:36:03.758+01:002020-04-10T17:36:03.758+01:00Johnson's illness is being used to cover up th...Johnson's illness is being used to cover up the dreadful mess that the UK is making of the pandemic. Once again the media rides to Johnsons rescue. Johnson is a moron.Independence for Scotlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335330210460885789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24894627220108468982020-04-10T17:31:18.192+01:002020-04-10T17:31:18.192+01:00I'm a bit baffled by that 9% figure - it's...I'm a bit baffled by that 9% figure - it's not easily reconcilable with the estimates we've seen for the whole UK. I'm wondering if the BBC are just doing the crude "multiply the number of deaths by 1000" thing, which might have made sense earlier in the epidemic but not anymore. Something like 3-6% would seem more plausible.James Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264559835025144323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-48321295045702846492020-04-10T16:53:52.115+01:002020-04-10T16:53:52.115+01:00South Korea was prepared for the onslaught of any ...South Korea was prepared for the onslaught of any virus because of the last one they had so they styaed prepared<br />The United Kingdom of England prepares for nothing, they never have, look how they prepared for WW2 the gave AA patrolmen 4 pennies for the phone if they saw anything wrong anywhere, they gave the Prime Ministers driver the same 4 pennies in case he had to stop in the car to make a phone call<br /><br />The UK of England has always been swamped by its own arrogance that no matter what occurs they can always deal with it by having a stiff upper lip, being *British* and sacrificing the lower orders of the population then they can get back to their cricket and ChampersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24499994498676440202020-04-10T15:30:14.584+01:002020-04-10T15:30:14.584+01:00re, anonymous at 10.18am
I should iamgine the new...re, anonymous at 10.18am<br /><br />I should iamgine the new HMRC building in Edinburgh is a UK EngGov matter, far as I know the ScotGov are not responsible for that construction. It's being built to house the 2000 English civil servants being transferred to Scotland who will follow orders of the London government. Hopefully they will stay away for now though we have enough trouble with people driving INTO Scotland and spreading the Covid19 virus as it is. <br /><br />Also, yes things should have been acted on earlier in Scotland but when the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon attempted to take matters into her own hands, all hell let loose and the Britnat government in England basically told her to shut up and do as and when told! The media piled in on top of that bullying episode of course! <br /><br />It also seems that at times N. Sturgeon has lost her nerve,<br />lost some confidence even when talking about independence before all of this. I wonder if someone has had a quiet word in her ear, or more(!) and made some threats about Scotland's parliament, and how that can be removed at whim by the English government in fact! A coup. <br /><br />Hands tied behind our backs, Scotland is not autonomous and has few powers to enact anything important, look at the WMD's held at Coulport and Trident parked a few miles from our largest city, not to mention the restarting of the delapidated Hunterston nuclear power plant. All at the hands of the English government, imposed on Scotland, like it or not. <br /><br />Suck it up Scotland or it could get nasty for you! <br /><br />Nicola Sturgeon is doing an amazing job really, and possibly dealing with some dodgy plants in the party, and I don't mean Aspadistras, though they do make good listening devices I hear! <br /><br />So we could slag off the FM to the hilt, and help reduce her confidence, ( it's been chipped away at already) or we could support her in what is now a crucial time for Scotland in dealing with a dangerous government who certainly do not have Scotland's best interests at heart, quite the opposite in fact! <br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-249542798994064812020-04-10T15:23:50.477+01:002020-04-10T15:23:50.477+01:00Well - the thing is that we don't have reliabl...Well - the thing is that we don't have reliable data for GB (and Scotland). The lack of testing is the most important thing here. Then also UK government is only reporting hospital deaths. We have no idea how many deaths there have been in care homes or at home. Also because of the lack of testing many deaths that happened in care home or home setting won't be reported as coronavirus deaths. As far as I understand now Scotland's adding care home deaths to the death toll? England isn't. UK (English) CMO said yesterday that only 9 per cent of care homes are affected by coronavirus. Care home associations are saying more than half.<br />It's a mess really and everything's unreliable. I always thought that the UK (with all its deficiencies) was technologically and scientifically in line with Germany and other most advanced European countries - but - this has shown that I was very wrong. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74902010900108970032020-04-10T15:13:10.280+01:002020-04-10T15:13:10.280+01:00The Scottish Government had no powers to enforce a...The Scottish Government had no powers to enforce a lockdown in any shape or form until the Coronavirus Act 2020 was given Royal assent on the 25th March and those specific powers were transferred to the Scottish Government.<br /><br />Prior to that date, they could only advice against public gatherings and could not force private business such as pubs/clubs to close their doors, the First Minster asked pubs/clubs etc to close their doors on 20th March.<br /><br />It was a request and not an order as the law to order their doors closed was not yet in effect.<br /><br />"The UK Coronavirus Bill, introduced at Westminster this week, includes measures enabling Ministers to give directions relating to events, gatherings and premises if they have declared a specific threat to public health in Scotland due to coronavirus.<br /><br />This starts a “public health response period” during which the powers can be used.<br /><br />Subject to the legislation being passed, the directions could include imposing restrictions or closure where this is considered necessary to protect the public against the virus or to help ensure medical or emergency services are best deployed to do so. MSPs will be debating the details of the Bill next week, before voting on the legislative consent motion."<br /><br />https://www.gov.scot/news/pubs-cafes-and-more-told-to-close/Thepnrnoreply@blogger.com