tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post623009730383958200..comments2024-03-29T09:57:11.038+00:00Comments on SCOT goes POP!: The country that forgot it was lunchtimeJames Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01516007141763230886noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-91318682419801972842015-05-29T00:04:06.305+01:002015-05-29T00:04:06.305+01:00If this reaches the stage where an action is actua...If this reaches the stage where an action is actually raised I would be very surprised if it actually had its day in court. Blocking tactics aside, losing Carmichael would be as nothing compared to losing the case - this would bring out yet more dirty linen (Mundell et al). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-58562787247418179662015-05-28T16:58:11.935+01:002015-05-28T16:58:11.935+01:00Rolfe, if they push it all the way to the wire, pu...Rolfe, if they push it all the way to the wire, putting the whole house of cards at risk, possibly knocking down dominoes further up the chain, setting a precedent others could use to get rid of their MP, then they are braver men than I think they are.<br />If the stakes were ramped up that high it really would be "The People Vs. Carmichael", with thousands more sensing an opportunity to really stick it to these seemingly fire-proof "high heid yins".<br />In the (hypothetical) scenario that it also brought down Mundell as Secretary of State and the abolition of Westminster's propaganda operation the "Scotland Office", I'd be more than willing to bung more in and so would a lot of other people. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-6066667232976254522015-05-28T14:09:42.178+01:002015-05-28T14:09:42.178+01:00I'm still hoping the modest £20 I bunged at th...I'm still hoping the modest £20 I bunged at the fundraiser will turn out to be a donation to a foodbank charity. I did it in that spirit, hoping that the very threat of the legal action would be enough pressure to cause Carmichael to resign. If he doesn't, if this is forced to go all the way to the wire, I (and I imagine a hell of a lot more of the numerous people who donated small sums) am perfectly prepared to go back and donate again.<br /><br />As for my own honourable MP, David Mundell, I think it's highly unlikely that will turn into a resigning-his-seat issue. (Though I'd happily dust off my leafleting route maps if it did.) I think, though, that the furthest that might go would be forcing his resignation as Secretary of State for Scotland. Which would be quite entertaining in any case, given the absence of candidates to replace him.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-24245483431788094182015-05-28T10:35:11.157+01:002015-05-28T10:35:11.157+01:00If there are any Tories reading this feel free to ...If there are any Tories reading this feel free to panic now. It's time to drop your bombshell on Carmichael if he doesn't resign.<br />"LEGAL moves to overturn the election result in Alistair Carmichael’s Orkney and Shetland constituency will be made today, even if a crowdfunding bid fails to reach its target – as lawyers have pledged to help campaigners free of charge."<br />Hats off to these lawyers! Good to know we live in a country where some lawyers still value honesty in public office.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-11964809017047681942015-05-28T01:32:21.005+01:002015-05-28T01:32:21.005+01:00Yep Mundells response was less than convincing and...Yep Mundells response was less than convincing and as Severin Carrel said, he will face more questions because of the strange way in which he denied knowing about the memo<br /><br />I think the term the Westminster liars use is 'Plausible Deniability' the idea being that since Mundell said that the enquiry said only two people knew about the memo, if the truth comes out he can say he himself did not deny it, he just told the MSM what the enquiry was saying.<br /><br />Similar defence that Carmichael has been using ie: I could not tell the truth because an enquiry was under way.<br /><br />Mundell will collapse under pressure and if it looks like it is about to go to court the Tories will panic and force Carmichael to resign under threat of some other bombshell being released to the public if he doesn't.<br /><br />Now where did I put that popcorn :-)Patrick Rodennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9350804625035699022015-05-28T01:25:49.966+01:002015-05-28T01:25:49.966+01:00Yeah, I'm sure Hitler would be a great dinner ...Yeah, I'm sure Hitler would be a great dinner guest. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-40465421976143556432015-05-28T01:20:44.635+01:002015-05-28T01:20:44.635+01:00Oh sure, I heard it said that Hitler was very nice...Oh sure, I heard it said that Hitler was very nice to people he met.Patrick Rodennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74872595277997963472015-05-27T23:36:36.905+01:002015-05-27T23:36:36.905+01:00I'm probably not going to be very popular for ...I'm probably not going to be very popular for saying this but I actually met Michael White once a year or two ago and he was a really nice, funny, witty guy. He seemed like great company and a good laugh. It's just such a shame he has a massive blind spot with regard to Scottish politics and keeps going into those bizarre twitter meltdowns. <br /><br />He should be criticised for his behaviour and the ridiculous things he's said, everyone's 100% justified in that, just remember there's two sides to every coin and even Mr. White with his daft 'tache has a good side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-23134725057705791382015-05-27T22:12:51.003+01:002015-05-27T22:12:51.003+01:00Even if the court case didn't succeed it would...Even if the court case didn't succeed it would be terrible publicity for Carmichael's LibDem chums in the run up to the Scottish parliamentary election in 2016. There is now an onerous responsibility on ALL of us to back the organisers because in reality they are fighting for the Scottish public's right to be represented by honest elected officials - and that includes LibDem supporters who are too blinkered by hatred for the SNP to see that. If the case is dropped we are telling politicians they can lie and cheat with impunity and we are too apathetic to do anything about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08933855705268790197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-76024184983091730752015-05-27T20:18:23.461+01:002015-05-27T20:18:23.461+01:00Update on previous comment. No need to look at the...Update on previous comment. No need to look at the iPlayer, the Mundell clip is now on Wings over Scotland under the heading 'Something less than an answer'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-1986818943347088182015-05-27T19:29:29.305+01:002015-05-27T19:29:29.305+01:00Carmichael himself on radio Orkney on 25th May quo...Carmichael himself on radio Orkney on 25th May quotes his staff saying “We think that it (the memo) should be put into the public domain.”<br /><br />This plural means that more than just Roddin knew about it. What are the bets that it was Mundell as well?<br /><br />I am sure that this will turn out to be a Tory heffalump trap set for Labour and the Libdems. Not many Tories jumped on the twitter band-wagon at the time of memo-gate if I remember correctly.Eppynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-51610753793957224602015-05-27T19:06:03.059+01:002015-05-27T19:06:03.059+01:00Just listened to Mundell's answer on Politics ...Just listened to Mundell's answer on Politics Scotland. It's as devious an answer as one might expect from someone who has had their fingers in the till but seeking a form of wording that is truthful but fails to give a full and honest answer. He is clearly hiding something. Listen from 22 minutes into the Politics Scotland programme for the 27th May..<br /><br />Mundell responds to questioning by noting that the Inquiry clearly stated no one else other than Carmichael and his SPAD were involved in the leak. He avoided answering whether he knew about it, answering again with a reference back to the Inquiry. Not quite what one would expect from someone who had no involvement or knowledge of what was happening or about to happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-41452514522625697242015-05-27T18:27:58.464+01:002015-05-27T18:27:58.464+01:00It won't get that far. A court case risks Carm...It won't get that far. A court case risks Carmichael being banned from standing for office ever again, even as a councillor and being convicted might get him disbarred as a solicitor. If he resigns voluntarily he can stand again, if his party let him (they may not). But at least there's a chance, or Holyrood next year, or Europe and there's always ermine (again probably not if convicted). <br /><br />And of course the police are investigating, Malfeasance in Public Office is a possibility. He may be too big a risk to let him stand again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-71738891377910314832015-05-27T18:17:56.111+01:002015-05-27T18:17:56.111+01:00Excellent thinking Rolfe, it is indeed hypocrisy o...Excellent thinking Rolfe, it is indeed hypocrisy of the highest order and yet another example of one rule for the Unionists/English and another for anyone else. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-74009430481599048452015-05-27T18:14:01.170+01:002015-05-27T18:14:01.170+01:00I sat there open mouthed at White's assertion ...I sat there open mouthed at White's assertion that the people of Orkney and Shetland are bad people and thus should have a liar for an MP. As a fiction writer, I can very honestly tell you know one would believe it if I made it up.J. R. Tomlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01109874615059334200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57116266343851772412015-05-27T17:50:45.166+01:002015-05-27T17:50:45.166+01:00That's one possible reason! I was originally i...That's one possible reason! I was originally in the "no one tells Mundell anything" camp, but his astonishingly contrived answer on Politics Scotland today didn't look too good, did it?keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-62295361311422929882015-05-27T16:14:52.143+01:002015-05-27T16:14:52.143+01:00Excellent point RolfeExcellent point RolfeJustin Kenrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05371269693334856586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-70855194567468444132015-05-27T15:46:43.045+01:002015-05-27T15:46:43.045+01:00Nice one Rolfe! :-)
bracoNice one Rolfe! :-)<br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-56066506562346500822015-05-27T15:17:36.564+01:002015-05-27T15:17:36.564+01:00If Carmichael ends up in the dock he could implica...If Carmichael ends up in the dock he could implicate Mundell. If Mundell is implicated and pressure is put on him to resign and call a by election (unlikely but maybe possible) that could lead to his ousting and the abolition of the Scotland Office because there would be no Scottish Tory MPs left to be in it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-36420221096695587912015-05-27T14:15:36.195+01:002015-05-27T14:15:36.195+01:00The point I wish someone would put to Malcolm Bruc...The point I wish someone would put to Malcolm Bruce is this.<br /><br />You point out that lying, indeed "brazen lies" are commonplace amongst MPs, and indeed cabinet ministers. It's just normal practice and we should get used to it and not make a fuss. Nothing to see here, move along folks.<br /><br />But then, how did this all start? The "dynamite" part of the memo was the suggestion that Nicola Sturgeon was lying. That her professed preference for a Labour minority government was simply a front, and that in her heart she would prefer a Conservative victory.<br /><br />Hold the front page! Politician is saying something which might be a political position rather than her true beliefs! This is a serious matter ant it's "in the public interest" to expose her!<br /><br />Malcolm, baby, if it's commonplace and unremarkable for politicians to tell brazen lies, so that we should simply overlook it when it happens, why the big fuss about Nicola? Even if she <i>had</i> said it, which she didn't.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206952819245786811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-28143060492899095112015-05-27T14:14:57.347+01:002015-05-27T14:14:57.347+01:00Why are anti-SNP folk so keen for Carmichael to st...Why are anti-SNP folk so keen for Carmichael to stay? A by-election would be a big risk for the SNP, with little potential reward.<br /><br />If they won: no big deal, that was the general expectation anyway, and a SLID extinction doesn't have the constitutional ramifications that a Labour or Tory wipeout would. If they lost: "bubble burst"-type headlines galore, "islanders won't be bossed about by the SNP" etc.<br /><br />The only rational reason to keep Carmichael in place is if his departure might put others in the firing line.keatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-73405309745775376822015-05-27T14:08:50.092+01:002015-05-27T14:08:50.092+01:00I doubt if it will get to court since the powers t...I doubt if it will get to court since the powers that be will not want him in the dock. I think the BBC will tell him that he should go and go before it gets to court. After a suitable period he will get his coat of deid stoat and the £300 a day fro doing SFA but sell out O&S and Scotland generally. It is the Bwitish Way, anything else isn't cwicket!Iain Morenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-63557911605457129172015-05-27T13:04:24.103+01:002015-05-27T13:04:24.103+01:00Ah, the collective murmuration of the BrtNat troll...Ah, the collective murmuration of the BrtNat troll winging around the various re-Indy sites click-baiting via their droppings from squeezing anuses.<br /><br />A joy to behold for the twitcher on BritNat state apparatus alert and au fait to their pirate colors.<br /><br />Rather foolish of them given the porking they get (pace Michael P on this site) on this site, WoS et al: Repetitive behavior bordering on insanity.<br /><br />Still and not to worry, the Koala is up for lunch next followed by a digestive of Mundell, SPAD lackies, corrupted Yookay civil servants, and - at least - some damage wrought to the UK chain of command as well as minions like Rennie and Tavish Scott.<br /><br />Splendid stuff and may this gift keep giving until we abrogate the Treaty, or the rUK secedes from the Union out of terror of the Scots ballot box.<br /><br />People of Orkney and Shetland, I salute your guts and initiative!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02975588480290026016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-9359851342574274402015-05-27T12:59:03.911+01:002015-05-27T12:59:03.911+01:00James
I doubt that this will get as far as the co...James<br /><br />I doubt that this will get as far as the court, as I doubt that Carmichael will testify under oath.<br /><br />There are all sorts of interesting questions just waiting to be asked, including the killer question "did you inform any of your UK cabinet members that you were about to leak this memo that you had never read?" "What was their response?"<br /><br />Dubbiesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351210091827242674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-930120922627919768.post-57809241367882405072015-05-27T12:27:49.937+01:002015-05-27T12:27:49.937+01:00I remember White (one of the Guardian's commit...I remember White (one of the Guardian's committed Blairites) complaining about 'English taxpayers' funding the SNP cut in prescription charges a few years ago.<br /><br />At that time Scotland's GDP was around £5,000 per capita higher than the UK average (about 119%), and the then Scottish 'surplus' was over £5 billion.<br />That's over £5 billion more than we got back.<br /><br />When this and Welsh Labour's scrapping of prescription charges were pointed out to him on the Guardian's 'Comment is Free' section, the Guardian's shocking hypocrisy was exposed as the moderators worked overtime to pull the relevant posts !elrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215895554490007594noreply@blogger.com